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  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    edited April 2018
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    CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
    cebreisch wrote: »
    Fasting is NOT the way to go. Having fought this weight loss all my life, and spoken with various doctors, NOT 1 EVER SAID - “hey, why don’t you fast?” Or “Hey, let’s do a cleanse!” Why? Because they don’t work. It is ALL ABOUT calories in vs. calories out.

    Oh - you caught that I didn’t mention exercise. Why? Because other than helping build up your endurance and helping to build muscle, it isn’t going to really help you lose weight. Yes, it makes you more healthy, but it doesn’t really help in weight loss. Why? Because you won’t ever be able to burn enough calories to allow you to have that evil chocolate cake you might want - or the milkshake, or the cheesecake, or the oreo’s - whatever.

    Besides, if you eat healthy - I’m not saying only rabbit food - I’m talking about lean proteins, something akin to a higher protein, lower carb lower fat plan - then you’ll be able to lose weight as long as you eat less than you burn. Get a fitness tracker that syncs with MFP, and always stay under your burned caloric amount, and you’ll lose weight. I lost 90 pounds that way.

    you can fast but non eating fasts I dont recommend unless its a religious practice and then that is usually only a short time,or supervised medically. I fast 16:8 most days it hasnt hurt me. as for building muscle with exercise,that wont happen often on a deficit especially a big one. and you can burn enough calories to have a slice of chocolate cake(if you are a runner,cyclist or someone who burns a lot of calories),or whatever else you want. Heck you can fit it into your calories if you want pre exercise.
    Fasting is not eating, it shouldn't need a qualifier like "non eating"; but many religious "fasts" are indeed with food; "intermittent fasting" like 16:8 is just eating in an 8 hour window, but every day; during Ramadan, muslims don't eat during the day, but make up for it at night; people who are ill are exempted anyway, and a bariatric patient would be classifed as "ill", I think.
    as for higher protein , low fat and low carb,that may work for you but is not necessary for everyone. everyones macros will be different,higher fat may satiate some while high protein or even high carb will satiate another person. so saying that but then saying eat less than you burn is IMO conflicting info in a way.
    She didn't say that, she said "higher protein, lower carb lower fat", and I interpreted it into "if you eat healthy - then you’ll be able to eat less than you burn long enough to lose weight".
    fitness trackers are also not 100% accurate in most cases they are just an estimate. I find ways to fit foods I like that some may deem unhealthy into my calories. do I go over sometimes? sure I do. building muscle is hard in a deficit,but the more muscle you have the more calories you burn,while its not a lot it helps.
    I have never had a fitness tracker, and I have lost and maintained weight successfully. Bodies burn calories even without our knowledge.
    you cant say that a person cant burn enough calories to have a milkshake,chocolate cake or anything else because many runners,cyclist,swimmers, do burn a lot of calories.
    I think poster referred to OP, not athletes.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
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    I am three years post bariatric. Congratulations on your significant loss by the way. I have a few comments and questions.

    1. Are there any foods or textures you cannot tolerate?
    2. I suggest a book/program from Stanford University “Live Better Every Day”, living with chronic conditions. It’s the best resource I have ever come across.
    3. What is your daily minimum protein goal?
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
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    kommodevaran wrote: »
    CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
    cebreisch wrote: »
    Fasting is NOT the way to go. Having fought this weight loss all my life, and spoken with various doctors, NOT 1 EVER SAID - “hey, why don’t you fast?” Or “Hey, let’s do a cleanse!” Why? Because they don’t work. It is ALL ABOUT calories in vs. calories out.

    Oh - you caught that I didn’t mention exercise. Why? Because other than helping build up your endurance and helping to build muscle, it isn’t going to really help you lose weight. Yes, it makes you more healthy, but it doesn’t really help in weight loss. Why? Because you won’t ever be able to burn enough calories to allow you to have that evil chocolate cake you might want - or the milkshake, or the cheesecake, or the oreo’s - whatever.

    Besides, if you eat healthy - I’m not saying only rabbit food - I’m talking about lean proteins, something akin to a higher protein, lower carb lower fat plan - then you’ll be able to lose weight as long as you eat less than you burn. Get a fitness tracker that syncs with MFP, and always stay under your burned caloric amount, and you’ll lose weight. I lost 90 pounds that way.

    you can fast but non eating fasts I dont recommend unless its a religious practice and then that is usually only a short time,or supervised medically. I fast 16:8 most days it hasnt hurt me. as for building muscle with exercise,that wont happen often on a deficit especially a big one. and you can burn enough calories to have a slice of chocolate cake(if you are a runner,cyclist or someone who burns a lot of calories),or whatever else you want. Heck you can fit it into your calories if you want pre exercise.
    Fasting is not eating, it shouldn't need a qualifier like "non eating"; but many religious "fasts" are indeed with food; "intermittent fasting" like 16:8 is just eating in an 8 hour window, but every day; during Ramadan, muslims don't eat during the day, but make up for it at night; people who are ill are exempted anyway, and a bariatric patient would be classifed as "ill", I think.
    as for higher protein , low fat and low carb,that may work for you but is not necessary for everyone. everyones macros will be different,higher fat may satiate some while high protein or even high carb will satiate another person. so saying that but then saying eat less than you burn is IMO conflicting info in a way.
    She didn't say that, she said "higher protein, lower carb lower fat", and I interpreted it into "if you eat healthy - then you’ll be able to eat less than you burn long enough to lose weight".
    fitness trackers are also not 100% accurate in most cases they are just an estimate. I find ways to fit foods I like that some may deem unhealthy into my calories. do I go over sometimes? sure I do. building muscle is hard in a deficit,but the more muscle you have the more calories you burn,while its not a lot it helps.
    I have never had a fitness tracker, and I have lost and maintained weight successfully. Bodies burn calories even without our knowledge.
    you cant say that a person cant burn enough calories to have a milkshake,chocolate cake or anything else because many runners,cyclist,swimmers, do burn a lot of calories.
    I think poster referred to OP, not athletes.

    yes the other person said this " I’m talking about lean proteins, something akin to a higher protein, lower carb lower fat plan " so yes she is saying that lower fat and carbs are needed maybe not directly but thats what I got out of it. she could have said just eat in a deficit and make sure you get enough protein.

    as for intermittent fasting I know its a window of time to eat your calories as I do that. But the original OP If Im not mistaken was saying fasting as in NOT eating,she said taking gummy vitamins and some protein and that she was suffering from malabsorption and was desperate and would try whatever she could as long as it didnt put her into the hospital which means to me eating very little or fasting with no food. she also said she is 7 years post op and is very resistant to weight loss.

    as for referring to athletes I dont see where she said it either way. and not everyone who runs or cycles is an athlete. I can burn enough calories in a day to fit in a milkshake or many other things and Im far from being an athlete. since the OP is 7 years out of bariatric surgery. her original posts asks "How long do you believe it is healthy to sustain a fast?
    (There is protein intake as well as double doses of gummy vitamins, due to malabsorption issues and upwards of a gallon of water a day)
  • KelBgess
    KelBgess Posts: 27 Member
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    And it makes me sad to know people or read about people that starve themselves in the hopes of losing weight.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
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    @KelBgess just for general awareness, many post bariatric patients are getting their minimums within 60 days of surgery.

    The post care instructions I’ve seen from the US are more extreme than the instruction sheet I got here in Canada. The US guidelines are like a year long VLCD. I was achieving 1200 calories a day within a couple months, and stayed right on plan.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 27,902 Member
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    DeniseMayree wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    DeniseMayree wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    DeniseMayree wrote: »
    guess that answers my question, thank you all for you input...lol
    also, i have to take gummy(and they arent bears, just circles...lol) or liquid vitamins due to malabsorbtion.
    i had gastric bypass...no haters, please. i had to, due to medical problems. i dont need to be judged for it on here. i get it enough in real life!!!

    If you already have issues absorbing all your nutrients, why are you fasting?

    i am desperate...basically, that is it. and i will do anything that doesnt put me in the hospital, now or in the future.

    What problem are you hoping the fasting will solve?

    weightloss... my body is very resistant

    There are mistakes that people commonly make that cause them to not lose weight that we might be able to spot if you change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings

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