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catherineroberts87 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
In this context we are taking about McDonald’s aren’t we...are you arguing that you think a mcdonalds meal is a healthy nutritious meal?
Like I said I don’t follow slimming world, I’m no expert.
Not McDonald's, but I'll give you context for the ice cream I had today. I spent a tad over 200 calories on it - not much, but this is just an example why it was the right choice for me today:
1. I wanted ice cream, and for my mental health and diet sustainability I deserve to not feel like dieting means suffering
2. I wasn't very hungry
3. I had the calories for it
4. I was lower on fat for the day than I'd like, so ice cream would plug that nutritional gap while helping me diet another day. Two birds.17 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
In this context we are taking about McDonald’s aren’t we...are you arguing that you think a mcdonalds meal is a healthy nutritious meal?
Like I said I don’t follow slimming world, I’m no expert.
Not McDonald's, but I'll give you context for the ice cream I had today. I spent a tad over 200 calories on it - not much, but this is just an example why it was the right choice for me today:
1. I wanted ice cream, and for my mental health and diet sustainability I deserve to not feel like dieting means suffering
2. I wasn't very hungry
3. I had the calories for it
4. I was lower on fat for the day than I'd like, so ice cream would plug that nutritional gap while helping me diet another day. Two birds.
It is a truly beautiful day when you look at the food you've logged and realize a bowl of ice cream will get your numbers where you want them to be15 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
"Takeaway" covers a wide variety of food (at least it does in the US, where I live) and declaring all those foods blanket "healthy" or "unhealthy" without any context as to what they are or the overall content of a person's diet doesn't make sense to me.
If you're arguing that all allowed foods on Slimming World are healthy, I guess I'd want to know more about how you determined that Jelly Babies and Curly Wurly candies (both allowed on Slimming World) are somehow better for you than the types of foods that are prohibited. To my eyes, it looks like there is some randomness involved, not just a drive to eliminate all foods that meet a certain standard of unhealthfulness.
In this context we are taking about McDonald’s aren’t we...are you arguing that you think a mcdonalds meal is a healthy nutritious meal?
Like I said I don’t follow slimming world, I’m no expert.
Not McDonald's, but I'll give you context for the ice cream I had today. I spent a tad over 200 calories on it - not much, but this is just an example why it was the right choice for me today:
1. I wanted ice cream, and for my mental health and diet sustainability I deserve to not feel like dieting means suffering
2. I wasn't very hungry
3. I had the calories for it
4. I was lower on fat for the day than I'd like, so ice cream would plug that nutritional gap while helping me diet another day. Two birds.
It is a truly beautiful day when you look at the food you've logged and realize a bowl of ice cream will get your numbers where you want them to be
this!
i had ice cream with my breakfast yesterday - it was on top of my protein muffin that gets a bit dry - so i planned it out and had a serving of ice cream (56g and 140cal) - it fit well within my macros for the day and left my belly exceedingly happy7 -
Guess I'm just gonna say I enjoy a Big Mac and Fries once or twice a month and see nothing unhealthy about these choices. I don't know that a salad from McDonalds (or anywhere else for that matter) is better or worse for me than a Big Mac.
If someone really thinks this is an unhealthy choice, ball is in your court to prove it.
Can't have it everyday and feel zero guilt when I do.8 -
Hey, since we are all talking about our favourite clown...
I had my extra large coffee (24oz) with half milk (~70g 2% milk) on Saturday and because of how things were shaping out with timing I decided to overspend (yes, I consider McD's to now be verging on expensive... Wendy's chili with or without a plain baked potato or side salad is now less expensive) and get an Egg McMuffin with a grilled chicken patty from their new Southwest/Signature Chicken
So egg mcmuffin, no butter (cause it makes NO difference to taste for me and saves about 20 Cal), add maximum amount of red onions (cause onions are free at that store but not everywhere; a very few places will do free tomato or lettuce, most will charge). About 270-280 Cal without the butter. 280 to 310 with. Officially 290 in Canada.
And then a grilled chicken patty (ordered as a side patty, and specifying that it is the same one as the one they use in their signature chicken (takes about 7 minutes to prepare, make sure they use the add patty menu as opposed to selling you the full sandwich without a bun etc as that would be more $s) is basically a frozen boneless skinless chicken breast with slightly too much sodium in the solution that it has been "plumped up" with--no different than any other frozen chicken breast you buy! Wipe it with a stack of napkins to take care of any extra grease it may have picked up on the grill and there you go: 120 to 130 Cal boneless skinless grilled chicken breast.
So. We have an English Muffin, a large egg, some fresh onions, a slice of Canadian back bacon, some crappy processed cheese like any other crappy processed cheese they sell at the supermarket, and a frozen boneless chicken breast in a hand held sandwich.
Please explain to me how this is any different than another similar meal I would put together at home?
Possibly we can discuss that at home I would throw like 300-400g of tomatoes on my plate and gain bonus satiation and fruit/veggie points... but you COULD order a side salad for $2 and eat it without dressing.... and I wasn't at home!
BTW: topped up with an officially 230 Cal, but usually closer to 250 to 280 Cal vanilla ice cream cone... which thanks to this thread I am sheepishly going back and adding to my day since it had escaped recording (see why I say that you should log the food BEFORE you eat it if you're trying to lose weight)11 -
@stevephi01 thank you so much for that comment-you have really helped! I’ll defo take on what you said, it’s just hard to get my head around!
And not being able to sleep is down to nights, my body clock isn’t good at adjusting so I think my weight gain could be down to that too!
Have a good evening and thanks once again!
Thank you and am truly pleased it has helped in your quest to get those £'s off.
I'm also pleasantly surprised I didn't attract the woo's that I expected and would like to thank those who supported my post
I'm going to offer an approach to this, which is totally non related to this site in any form, but to show just how other aspects of our lives can contribute. In so doing I do not wish to alienate anyone for being specific in my choice of my pleasure in life.
I'm a motorcyclist and in some ways the challenges those of of us who find ourselves in uncertain circumstances have a parallel. Forgive me whilst I try and draw the similarities.
The weigh - not - as much as - you did, sort of commercial products, have a place for some. In the same way as in my pleasure world, the ability to go all out on a race track. I cannot comment on the 'weigh lower' offerings, but they are, in my mind similar, to the 'this is a sure fire way to go faster on the track'. You pays' your money and they teach how to get better for each corner - in the end you are faster, but only on that track. No use, in my opinion, 'outside the system'. This is where they are able to entrap their clients.
The other view is more road focused and we learn how to 'read the road', the upside here is we can achieve better results on something we have never encountered before - maybe not as fast but applies to all situations.
The concept of 'diet' scares me, that implies a deprivation for a period of time - after which normal programming resumes and guess what, the resumption of situation normal. Yip, as you were - not what we want to know.
Back to two wheels, we need to 'read the road' and focus -if we focus on a pot hole, we are 100 % sure that's where we will hit.
Read beyond that pothole and see the corner and possibly the next one, is really what makes us quicker - much to the annoyance of those who think we haven't a clue.
I can ride a bike, but am an ameteur at getting the most basic everyday fueling right.
Sounds silly, something we all do multi times a day and still get it wrong. Don't feel alone.
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its all about CICO. whether its jelly donuts, broccoli or fast food, if you burn more than you eat, no, it does NOT matter- you will lose weight.
what is nutritious and filling, is an entirely different issue.4 -
catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
Because we understand context and dosage, and the proper application of same in one's diet. That's why.
I had Wendy's for lunch today, first time I've eaten there in probably two years. A grilled chicken sandwich and a large chili. 672 calories (which fits well within my goal for the day), 73g carbs, 17g fat, 60g protein, 11g fiber. That meal included grains (the bun), vegetables (spinach leaves, lettuce and tomato), lean protein (chicken) and legumes (beans). Please enlighten me as to what's unhealthy about either the macro composition or the nutrients contained in my lunch. Kthx.11 -
Weight loss is difficult enough without the tendency to turn it into a moral issue. If you like McDonald's, there's nothing wrong with eating there once in a while. I'm pretty sure no one would advocate an all-McDonald's diet.15
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callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »its all about CICO. whether its jelly donuts, broccoli or fast food, if you burn more than you eat, no, it does NOT matter- you will lose weight.
what is nutritious and filling, is an entirely different issue.
I'm sorry, but that is confusing to a person trying to get onto the weight loss ladder. Some may be able to eat what they wish, within certain limits, but others can't.
It is almost as though gaining that higher level is an allusive, non attainable feat but hey hoe some have.
The loss is easier for some than others, factors which those who find it easier are scorned - so you climbed the mountain and can gloat -please it isn't about that, I did it whats wrong with you. If there were a sure fire one size fits all answer, we wouldn't be here.
see already I've upset the disciples, get over it. you have found nirvana, the rest of us aren't sure
I'm now goading you nah sayers, push that woo button. Sick and tired of the I've done it what's wrong with you, looser attitude. Get a grip on your approach, this isn't a religion or what ever likewise, no one hopefully gets killed - I really hope the conscious is we achieve our goals, no prizes.30 -
Absolutely. You can eat whatever you want and lose weight as long as you eat less calories than you are burning. You have to experiment and do what is right and works for you.
My friend joined Medi-Fast. They encourage you to not eat fruit or bread (among other things). My friend lost 50 pounds and inspired me to try to lose weight. I certainly didn't want to spend that kind of money. I found MFP and cut out sweets, fruit, bread, etc. and lost weight. As I began reading the postings on MFP, I discovered that you don't need to cut out anything if you don't want to. I began eating anything I wanted to, stuck to my calorie deficit, and guess what. I still lost weight. There is no magic to losing weight, it is just eating less calories than your body burns.
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I'm not sure what's confusing about telling people that if dessert fits their calories, they can enjoy it and still lose? Not scorning at all. Just genuinely curious where the confusion is.16
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stevephi01 wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »its all about CICO. whether its jelly donuts, broccoli or fast food, if you burn more than you eat, no, it does NOT matter- you will lose weight.
what is nutritious and filling, is an entirely different issue.
I'm sorry, but that is confusing to a person trying to get onto the weight loss ladder. Some may be able to eat what they wish, within certain limits, but others can't.
It is almost as though gaining that higher level is an allusive, non attainable feat but hey hoe some have.
The loss is easier for some than others, factors which those who find it easier are scorned - so you climbed the mountain and can gloat -please it isn't about that, I did it whats wrong with you. If there were a sure fire one size fits all answer, we wouldn't be here.
I honestly never understand the idea that people who say you can eat anything are "gloating". And it this instance it certainly wasn't presented that way!
I struggled for years to lose weight because I believed I had to eat all healthy foods to lose weight, and my willpower just couldn't do it. So I would go from feeling deprived to feeling guilty to giving up. Over and over again. When I came here and saw all these people say I could eat whatever I wanted and lose, it was like this huge weight was lifted off my shoulders. I could have a little ice cream after dinner and still lose! I could go to McDonald's with my nephew and not ruin my diet!
I know so many people who think they are hopeless because they can't stick to a "healthy" diet. They don't even try anymore. And if you spend a few weeks or months reading around the forums, you'll find we get tons of people who honestly believe if they eat a piece of cake at a birthday party they will not be able to lose weight.
No one here is saying you should eat all donuts. Just that you can eat a donut every once and awhile and still lose weight if you stick to your calorie goal. To me that's the opposite of confusing. Confusing is trying to keep straight which foods are good and which foods are bad and whether I'm eating "healthy" enough or not.
And it is the honest truth, that weight loss comes down to calories. How you get there and how difficult it is is personal, and no one here is saying otherwise. I'm no special person, not all that active, not a paragon of willpower, and I find the message empowering and hopeful.22 -
stevephi01 wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »its all about CICO. whether its jelly donuts, broccoli or fast food, if you burn more than you eat, no, it does NOT matter- you will lose weight.
what is nutritious and filling, is an entirely different issue.
I'm sorry, but that is confusing to a person trying to get onto the weight loss ladder. Some may be able to eat what they wish, within certain limits, but others can't.
It is almost as though gaining that higher level is an allusive, non attainable feat but hey hoe some have.
The loss is easier for some than others, factors which those who find it easier are scorned - so you climbed the mountain and can gloat -please it isn't about that, I did it whats wrong with you. If there were a sure fire one size fits all answer, we wouldn't be here.
see already I've upset the disciples, get over it. you have found nirvana, the rest of us aren't sure
it has nothing to do with being 'so sure'. it has to do with science and i dont make the science, i only know what it is.
ive lost 100+ pounds. dont you dare say it was easy, it was one of the hardest things ive ever done. i earned every lost pound!
i eat whatever i want - as long as it fits in my calories. if i had tried to stick to a diet of boiled chicken and broccoli, id have failed at day 2.
So, i learned how to properly weight my food. i counted calories for 3 years straight. i ate cake and pizza and burgers and beer and ate out (frequently). i made. it. fit. i worked out more if i needed more wiggle room. i went on vacations and to parties and spent half a summer drunk on my neighbors back deck every weekend when I was leaving a bad marriage.
so please, since you know oh so much, tell me where i failed.
cause science isn't real, right?
by the way, i maintain without logging because i learned how to eat, and portion sizes and mentally tally the crap in my head and spot check and log on occasion and when i think about it, or sometimes simply to plan out my week, and just to make sure im still doing it right ....17 -
stevephi01 wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »its all about CICO. whether its jelly donuts, broccoli or fast food, if you burn more than you eat, no, it does NOT matter- you will lose weight.
what is nutritious and filling, is an entirely different issue.
I'm sorry, but that is confusing to a person trying to get onto the weight loss ladder. Some may be able to eat what they wish, within certain limits, but others can't.
It is almost as though gaining that higher level is an allusive, non attainable feat but hey hoe some have.
The loss is easier for some than others, factors which those who find it easier are scorned - so you climbed the mountain and can gloat -please it isn't about that, I did it whats wrong with you. If there were a sure fire one size fits all answer, we wouldn't be here.
see already I've upset the disciples, get over it. you have found nirvana, the rest of us aren't sure
I'm now goading you nah sayers, push that woo button. Sick and tired of the I've done it what's wrong with you, looser attitude. Get a grip on your approach, this isn't a religion or what ever likewise, no one hopefully gets killed - I really hope the conscious is we achieve our goals, no prizes.
Well, I was looking for something worthwhile-ish for my 4,000th post
Your previous posts up-thread show that you're getting it. This one not so much.
It is NOT confusing, or insulting, to be told that you have to experiment and find a way to eat both food that is healthy and food that you crave, or is convenient, within the context of your goals, in order to succeed.
It IS confusing AND insulting to hand you blanket suggestions telling you "don't eat junk to lose", "don't eat after 5pm", "don't eat whites only eat browns", "intermittent fasting", "keto", "low fat", or whatever else is fashionable, or profitable.
To borrow your OWN analogy we are discussing the open road and potholes as opposed to a specific track.
How the **kittens** is that insulting or putting you down?
Think about it.
And while you're doing so try to remember that a smaller and more flexible deficit over a longer period of time may make things easier than a larger more strict deficit that makes adherence too stressful and hard!27 -
stevephi01 wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »its all about CICO. whether its jelly donuts, broccoli or fast food, if you burn more than you eat, no, it does NOT matter- you will lose weight.
what is nutritious and filling, is an entirely different issue.
I'm sorry, but that is confusing to a person trying to get onto the weight loss ladder. Some may be able to eat what they wish, within certain limits, but others can't.
It is almost as though gaining that higher level is an allusive, non attainable feat but hey hoe some have.
The loss is easier for some than others, factors which those who find it easier are scorned - so you climbed the mountain and can gloat -please it isn't about that, I did it whats wrong with you. If there were a sure fire one size fits all answer, we wouldn't be here.
see already I've upset the disciples, get over it. you have found nirvana, the rest of us aren't sure
I'm now goading you nah sayers, push that woo button. Sick and tired of the I've done it what's wrong with you, looser attitude. Get a grip on your approach, this isn't a religion or what ever likewise, no one hopefully gets killed - I really hope the conscious is we achieve our goals, no prizes.
Well that escalated quickly. I’m really not sure what you’re disputing or debating since it’s buried amidst so much animosity that seems a little misplaced given the trial and error recommendations of your first post in this thread.14 -
catherineroberts87 wrote: »Chill peeps I was referring to the ops question of why slimming world don’t allow takeaways...probably because they’re trying to promote healthy lifestyle /proper nutrition as well as weight loss. To those who don’t think takeaways are unhealthy...I don’t understand why you would think that.
Because I get bloodwork done twice a year and all my health markers are excellent, while still eating takeaway food on a regular basis (2-3 times a week). I've also been maintaing a largish weight loss for years now, and keep my bmi in the 20-21 range while eating takeaway food, no problem. I focus first on keeping within my calorie targets, and then eating a varied diet of all the foods I enjoy. Nothing is off limits and this has made the whole process sustainable long term for me11 -
I'm confused, too.
Sooo . . . I'm gathering it's "religious" and prescriptive to say that calorie counting can work for weight loss, and that you can eat what you want within calories, but you may need it to tweak your eating for satiation or nutrition (because nutrition is important), and it's OK to fit in treats once the nutrition boxes are checked. It's also maybe high-handed and elitist to say it's OK to eat at McDonald's sometimes?
But it's not "religious" to say that you should always eat "good" foods, and eschew "bad" foods, because "bad" foods will doom you to a living h**l of fatness and ill health?
Yeah, I know I'm exaggerating . . . but it seems like this undercurrent is in here to a certain extent.
WT actual foo-foo?!?12 -
stevephi01 wrote: »callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »its all about CICO. whether its jelly donuts, broccoli or fast food, if you burn more than you eat, no, it does NOT matter- you will lose weight.
what is nutritious and filling, is an entirely different issue.
I'm sorry, but that is confusing to a person trying to get onto the weight loss ladder. Some may be able to eat what they wish, within certain limits, but others can't.
It is almost as though gaining that higher level is an allusive, non attainable feat but hey hoe some have.
The loss is easier for some than others, factors which those who find it easier are scorned - so you climbed the mountain and can gloat -please it isn't about that, I did it whats wrong with you. If there were a sure fire one size fits all answer, we wouldn't be here.
see already I've upset the disciples, get over it. you have found nirvana, the rest of us aren't sure
I'm now goading you nah sayers, push that woo button. Sick and tired of the I've done it what's wrong with you, looser attitude. Get a grip on your approach, this isn't a religion or what ever likewise, no one hopefully gets killed - I really hope the conscious is we achieve our goals, no prizes.
What the...? Why so angry?
You went from posting a thoughtful reply earlier in this thread to this bizarre tantrum replying to a poster who was absolutely NOT gloating.
And btw....she's right.16 -
Yip, I've made progress but not enough. My initial comment here seems to have to have hit a mark, but subsequent have not garened me, more woo's, expected I guess. That was not my intention.
I will take this offline - the discussion has vered so far from the original - little wonder why so many of these well intended posts end up unresolved in the bin with so may negative reactions.
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