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  • alexmosealexmose Member Posts: 722 Member Member Posts: 722 Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    alexmose wrote: »
    2 weeks into bulking and i have been quite stressed from work and then my cycle on top meant 2 weeks of seeing really really high numbers. Staying the course and wondering if it’ll go down. Maybe the creatine and lack of sleep are kicking in.

    Oh yea that could all definitely affect the scale.

    How long have you been taking creatine? Do you find it helps? I always think about taking it then I'm all, nah. I know it's cheap but I just don't know if I can handle the bloat and fullness that supposedly comes with.

    Anyways.. keep at it, try not to get too focused on scale. You can do this :)

    I have been using for about a month and have not had any measurable bloating effects. Like @steveko89 I just do 5g post, but not pre.
  • sardelsasardelsa Member Posts: 9,700 Member Member Posts: 9,700 Member
    Thanks @steveko89 and @alexmose for the info. Once I stop breastfeeding I might think about it adding it in.
  • alexmosealexmose Member Posts: 722 Member Member Posts: 722 Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    Thanks @steveko89 and @alexmose for the info. Once I stop breastfeeding I might think about it adding it in.

    Sure thing. Frankly, after a month, I am not sure if the creatine or more food are allowing me to recover/perform better.
  • GaryRunsGaryRuns Member, Premium Posts: 383 Member Member, Premium Posts: 383 Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    alexmose wrote: »
    2 weeks into bulking and i have been quite stressed from work and then my cycle on top meant 2 weeks of seeing really really high numbers. Staying the course and wondering if it’ll go down. Maybe the creatine and lack of sleep are kicking in.

    Oh yea that could all definitely affect the scale.

    How long have you been taking creatine? Do you find it helps? I always think about taking it then I'm all, nah. I know it's cheap but I just don't know if I can handle the bloat and fullness that supposedly comes with.

    Anyways.. keep at it, try not to get too focused on scale. You can do this :)

    I would suspect that dosing is the key factor to bloating and fullness. There's some old guidance out there about a loading phase (20-25g/day for a week) which I could see lead to those ill-effects. Most maintenance dosing recommendations are 2-3g/day but the creatine monohydrate I've always gotten comes with a 5g scoop. For an n=1 I do a 5 g scoop with my preworkout (which has another 2g in it) and another 5g post workout for 12g/day total at nominally 175 lbs and don't feel any ill effects from bloating or fullness but do think it helps with overall work capacity and recovery, especially going up from 7g to 12g.

    I wish I had a reference handy, but most of what I've read says you can load at 10g/day for a week or two so that it builds up to it's maximum level in your system quicker, or you can just start with the typical recommended daily dose of 5g/day and it'll just take a week or two longer to build up.

    As to whether or not it helps, most literature says it does but as with most supplements I suspect we're talking about a single digit percentage, or very low double digit percentage, of help. Getting one or two more reps in a set is the general consensus on what it does for you and so if you're doing 10 reps pre creatine and can knock out 11 post creatine that's a 10% increase in volume. And then how much is that 10% increase in volume going to help with your goal, strength, hypertrophy, etc.? Not a huge amount.

    Not trying to discourage anyone. I myself take it at 5g/day. But that's because it's cheap and I don't have any significant side-effects like bloating that some folks experience.

    And you will gain weight due to water retention in the muscles. Some folks don't like seeing the scale increase, even if it is just water weight.
    edited October 22
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 36,802 MFP Moderator Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 36,802 MFP Moderator
    psuLemon wrote: »
    So its been 6 weeks and outside of water weight changes, i have not lost any weight. Considering saying screw it and go back to Keto since its almost winter and i won't miss fruit as much. Oh the struggle bus to get super lean.

    So i decided going back to CKD. So I will cut for two weeks and then have two high carb low fat days at maintenance and repeat.

    Day 1 at 167.4lbs.
  • sardelsasardelsa Member Posts: 9,700 Member Member Posts: 9,700 Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    So its been 6 weeks and outside of water weight changes, i have not lost any weight. Considering saying screw it and go back to Keto since its almost winter and i won't miss fruit as much. Oh the struggle bus to get super lean.

    So i decided going back to CKD. So I will cut for two weeks and then have two high carb low fat days at maintenance and repeat.

    Day 1 at 167.4lbs.

    Sounds like a great plan. Do you find it helps your workout performance but still allows you to stick to being in keto? Kind of the best of both worlds?
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 36,802 MFP Moderator Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 36,802 MFP Moderator
    sardelsa wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    So its been 6 weeks and outside of water weight changes, i have not lost any weight. Considering saying screw it and go back to Keto since its almost winter and i won't miss fruit as much. Oh the struggle bus to get super lean.

    So i decided going back to CKD. So I will cut for two weeks and then have two high carb low fat days at maintenance and repeat.

    Day 1 at 167.4lbs.

    Sounds like a great plan. Do you find it helps your workout performance but still allows you to stick to being in keto? Kind of the best of both worlds?

    It helps with the workouts for a few days. It's more that i can incorporate things like english muffins and oatmeal. So it's more mental. But if i try to incorporate them during a cut, i find my calories just add up quickly and i find myself "cheating" a bit too much.
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 36,802 MFP Moderator Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium Posts: 36,802 MFP Moderator
    Food porn time. If anyone even has questions on foods, let me know. This is another passion of mine.

    Keto pumpkin spice muffin with a buttercream icing



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    Slow cooked carnitas.

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    Both recipes designed by me.
    edited 12:58AM
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