Intermittent fasting

psuLemon

belleflop wrote: »

Lots of scientific research and peer reviewed literature out there in regards to the health benefits of fasting. What dramatic claims are you referring to?

I think they are referring to the increases in fat loss over conventional diets, increase autophagy, etc... Most of which has been found to be true in animal models/preliminary research, but not so much in human models. I posted this in another thread, but it a meta analysis comparing human and animal models.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516560/

kimny72

The problem is that most of us in this debate did exactly that for years. We heard about all the different tips and tricks and followed them around in circles, thinking it was working for a few weeks then realizing it wasn't. Over and over again, it was demoralizing. Then you start looking at the science and see there is no credible evidence why any of it should work, it's all shadows and false promises, that keep us all pumping more money into the weight loss industry.

All we are trying to do is save others from wasting that time and money. So many people give up and decide to stay overweight, assuming that if the tips and tricks didn't work for them, they must just be destined to be fat. It's hard to believe that at the foundation of all this noise, it's as simple as "eat the right amount of calories, in whatever way makes that easiest for you, everything else is iffy at best". And that's because the diet industry has convinced us it can't be. We just want to help people understand WHY everything works, so they can make an educated choice about how to proceed.

IF is a prime example - it's a great strategy for some people. Many of the people warning against all the claims here do IF! But "it's helpful for some people to stick to an eating window" doesn't sell books and supplements and get followers to your you tube channel or blog, so there has to be more. Eating in a small window can make compliance and accuracy much better, leading some people to believe it's the window that caused them to lose weight, when it was really them eating the right amount of food. They give credit to fasting, or caffeine, or macros, when they should be taking the credit for themselves. If it's being negative to convince people that they deserve the credit for their hard work, not the food or the pill or the workout, then I guess I can live with that.

I skipped breakfast and drank caffeinated drinks while I was losing weight. I lost the weight because I worked hard to figure out how to comfortably stay in a calorie deficit and then I did it. I hope you give yourself all the credit when you get to goal too :drinker:

mmapags

kimny72 wrote: »

The problem is that most of us in this debate did exactly that for years. We heard about all the different tips and tricks and followed them around in circles, thinking it was working for a few weeks then realizing it wasn't. Over and over again, it was demoralizing. Then you start looking at the science and see there is no credible evidence why any of it should work, it's all shadows and false promises, that keep us all pumping more money into the weight loss industry.

All we are trying to do is save others from wasting that time and money. So many people give up and decide to stay overweight, assuming that if the tips and tricks didn't work for them, they must just be destined to be fat. It's hard to believe that at the foundation of all this noise, it's as simple as "eat the right amount of calories, in whatever way makes that easiest for you, everything else is iffy at best". And that's because the diet industry has convinced us it can't be. We just want to help people understand WHY everything works, so they can make an educated choice about how to proceed.

IF is a prime example - it's a great strategy for some people. Many of the people warning against all the claims here do IF! But "it's helpful for some people to stick to an eating window" doesn't sell books and supplements and get followers to your you tube channel or blog, so there has to be more. Eating in a small window can make compliance and accuracy much better, leading some people to believe it's the window that caused them to lose weight, when it was really them eating the right amount of food. They give credit to fasting, or caffeine, or macros, when they should be taking the credit for themselves. If it's being negative to convince people that they deserve the credit for their hard work, not the food or the pill or the workout, then I guess I can live with that.

I skipped breakfast and drank caffeinated drinks while I was losing weight. I lost the weight because I worked hard to figure out how to comfortably stay in a calorie deficit and then I did it. I hope you give yourself all the credit when you get to goal too :drinker:

Perfectly said!

belleflop

psuLemon wrote: »

belleflop wrote: »

Lots of scientific research and peer reviewed literature out there in regards to the health benefits of fasting. What dramatic claims are you referring to?

I think they are referring to the increases in fat loss over conventional diets, increase autophagy, etc... Most of which has been found to be true in animal models/preliminary research, but not so much in human models. I posted this in another thread, but it a meta analysis comparing human and animal models.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516560/

I agree completely with your statement, the study data is not in yet with humans in regards to increased autophagy during a fasted state. Everyone interested in this in depth should read your link.

Only issue I take is when people call fasting a "diet", when really it's primary mechanism for most people is to facilitate a caloric deficit to lose weight.

psuLemon

belleflop wrote: »

psuLemon wrote: »

belleflop wrote: »

Lots of scientific research and peer reviewed literature out there in regards to the health benefits of fasting. What dramatic claims are you referring to?

I think they are referring to the increases in fat loss over conventional diets, increase autophagy, etc... Most of which has been found to be true in animal models/preliminary research, but not so much in human models. I posted this in another thread, but it a meta analysis comparing human and animal models.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516560/

I agree completely with your statement, the study data is not in yet with humans in regards to increased autophagy during a fasted state. Everyone interested in this in depth should read your link.

Only issue I take is when people call fasting a "diet", when really it's primary mechanism for most people is to facilitate a caloric deficit to lose weight.

I always say, you can call a horse by many names, but it doesn't mean it isnt a horse.

IF is just a dieting style as much as anything else. And while some believe by calling it another name might improve success rates, there isn't data to support that.

And IF is used for a variety of things, including maintenance and bulking. But i do recognize that many try to use it for creating a deficit.

mmapags

psuLemon wrote: »

belleflop wrote: »

Lots of scientific research and peer reviewed literature out there in regards to the health benefits of fasting. What dramatic claims are you referring to?

I think they are referring to the increases in fat loss over conventional diets, increase autophagy, etc... Most of which has been found to be true in animal models/preliminary research, but not so much in human models. I posted this in another thread, but it a meta analysis comparing human and animal models.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516560/

Thanks for this link. It seem to support what most here have said in regard to IF being primarily a tool to support calorie deficit with other benefits being unsubstantiated in humans.

FoxAndOpal

I do “IF” on days when I want to gorge on a big *kitten* steak, buttery potatoes, beer, and cheesecake for dinner. Except I just call it the much less buzzwordy “planning out my caloric intake” instead of IF.

LeLum5

I'm new here BUT...... Why is it on every social media platform there are folks who love to argue and force their opinions on others? Its sad... Just do you and let other do them! You can't force change on ppls minds ...give your thoughts and move on...agree to disagree ..with respect for the others personal experience

psuLemon

hetheru5359 wrote: »

I'm new here BUT...... Why is it on every social media platform there are folks who love to argue and force their opinions on others? Its sad... Just do you and let other do them! You can't force change on ppls minds ...give your thoughts and move on...agree to disagree ..with respect for the others personal experience

There is a significant difference between forcing opinions and discussing the science. I see the latter, not the former.

meagan8376

hetheru5359 wrote: »

I'm new here BUT...... Why is it on every social media platform there are folks who love to argue and force their opinions on others? Its sad... Just do you and let other do them! You can't force change on ppls minds ...give your thoughts and move on...agree to disagree ..with respect for the others personal experience

I see it too. Their advice is good, delivery sucks though. If it annoys you enough, there’s an ignore option.

GottaBurnEmAll

meagan8376 wrote: »

hetheru5359 wrote: »

I'm new here BUT...... Why is it on every social media platform there are folks who love to argue and force their opinions on others? Its sad... Just do you and let other do them! You can't force change on ppls minds ...give your thoughts and move on...agree to disagree ..with respect for the others personal experience

I see it too. Their advice is good, delivery sucks though. If it annoys you enough, there’s an ignore option.

It's not that anyone wants to "force" opinions on people, it's that veterans want to share hard won experience with rookies. Most of us are well past the phase of losing weight and well into maintaining.

Most of the people that are perceived as being "mean" on these boards have had vast experience trying every trick in the book over the years and falling for every fad only to have finally learned sustainable means of managing their weight. Through such experience and through talking to others with similar experience, we all know what works and doesn't work even if we don't necessarily do something ourselves.

For example, I'm not one to really eat a lot of "treat" foods. I just don't seem to crave them much. But I have in the past and I know other people do and I can offer advice on how to incorporate them into your eating plan even though I don't currently do it myself all that often.

The tricks and all of that which make you think you've found some magic thing? If you're hotly defending them and they are faddish (seriously, why are you drinking vinegar, who sniffs a bottle of vinegar and thinks... hmmm... this smells tasty!), I'd seriously reevaluate your priorities because they're off kilter.

Is, for example, vinegar your first choice of something to glug down? Is green tea genuinely your preferred source of caffeine? If they are, well have at them and more power to you. I'm big on beverages as appetite suppressants, but I think there are far more tasty options out there, you know?

This is why there's some push back. ACV and green tea are fads. Coffee, tea, herbal teas? They're not and they all work just as well.

JustSomeEm

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