Tips from our vegetarian losers?
jelleigh
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Weight losers that is...
I'm curious about trying out a vegetarian diet for a bit just to see how I feel on it. Im a prety big meat lover so ive never given it a shot before. I want to have a focus on keeping protein levels up and I do still have weight loss as a goal (no i dont think vegetarianism is going to magically cause weight loss outside of normal CICO - i just like following specific programs)
So my veggie eating friends - what's your one pro tip? What recipe or food do you especially find is your go to? Any tips for a total vegetarian noob?
I'm curious about trying out a vegetarian diet for a bit just to see how I feel on it. Im a prety big meat lover so ive never given it a shot before. I want to have a focus on keeping protein levels up and I do still have weight loss as a goal (no i dont think vegetarianism is going to magically cause weight loss outside of normal CICO - i just like following specific programs)
So my veggie eating friends - what's your one pro tip? What recipe or food do you especially find is your go to? Any tips for a total vegetarian noob?
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Number one tip: Beans. They're amazing little protein/fiber nuggets, incredibly affordable, easy to prepare (slow cook the dry ones or buy canned to have beans immediately), and they fit into so many dishes. Bean burritos, chili, Italian pasta and beans, hummus, falafel, chickpea curry, lentil soup, black bean soup, navy bean soup, bean salad, chickpea salad sandwiches, bbq baked beans . . . I think you get the idea.
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My one pro tip - figure out why you like to follow specific programs. Is it because it gives you an excuse to quit? I tried, repeatedly, believing I did what was best, but I just couldn't stick to a program that told me what to eat, I would rebel, hard, and regain and then some. I didn't feel in control of my food intake until I started to feel in charge of my food choices.5
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I agree, beans are great. If you don't like them because you find them mushy (I hate most beans for that reason) try black beans, they are smaller and firmer, I really those. Same goes for chickpeas, they are usually firmer and even a bit dry.
I love chickpea curry, that's always a hit in my house.
For black beans, one of my easiest and yet most successfull recipe is homemade burrito bowl: Sauté onion until soft, add a can of rince black bean and an equal amount of diced tomatoes. let simmer until most of the juice has evaporated. You can add spices like chili powder, garlec powder, etc. And I serve that on top of a big bowl of lettuce, some rice, corn, diced tomatoes, avocado, roasted veggies, etc. It's really good and quite filling.
Lentils are also really easy. Split red lentils are my favorite, they make great soup.
I also often just eat carbs and veggie, like veggie pizza, sauteed potatoes and veggies, etc. but I never ate a lot of protein so I personnaly don't get hungry to fast, but that doesn't work for every one.
Good luck!1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Number one tip: Beans. They're amazing little protein/fiber nuggets, incredibly affordable, easy to prepare (slow cook the dry ones or buy canned to have beans immediately), and they fit into so many dishes. Bean burritos, chili, Italian pasta and beans, hummus, falafel, chickpea curry, lentil soup, black bean soup, navy bean soup, bean salad, chickpea salad sandwiches, bbq baked beans . . . I think you get the idea.
Awesome. Ok thanks - I use canned beans now but have never worked with dry ones so I will do some research on that. Like - can I cook them ahead of time and just store in the fridge? And how long will they keep? Anyhoe - in sure I can google that all.1 -
My biggest tip is to focus on fiber! Most people get plenty of protein, but not near enough fiber - plus it keeps you full! One of my favorite 'recipes' right now is to roast/air fry a variety of veggies (this week is mini tricolor potatoes, zucchini, carrots, brussel sprouts, and onions) and serve over lettuce with a hummus dressing (2T hummus, lemon juice, smoked paprika, whole grain mustard, water to thin it out). I can have a HUGE bowl of this stuff for lunch for under 350 calories.
If you're really focused on protein, try things like TVP, tofu, and tempeh. If you have a vegan/veggie restaurant in your town, try these things there - more calorically dense, but you will almost certainly like them prepared at a restaurant before experimenting at home!
I don't know if linking to other social media is allowed, but here is a link to my recipe Pinterest board - everything there is vegan or vegetarian https://pinterest.com/erinspapercut/cooking-dawn-to-dusk/
Feel free to add me or message if you have any other questions - I went veggie in November of last year and it was the best thing I've ever done, I feel so much better!1 -
kommodevaran wrote: »My one pro tip - figure out why you like to follow specific programs. Is it because it gives you an excuse to quit? I tried, repeatedly, believing I did what was best, but I just couldn't stick to a program that told me what to eat, I would rebel, hard, and regain and then some. I didn't feel in control of my food intake until I started to feel in charge of my food choices.
No it's not so that I have am excuse to quit, although It's a fair question . its a bit of a complex answer (and I know you didnt ask for an answer here but in case it resonates with someone else) in short - although weight loss science is basic CICO, nutrition science is wide and varied and complex. It seems that there are groups of people who just do best on a specific approach - maybe because of lifestyle, or physiological reasons or just basic preference, they feel best eating a specific way. I love learning about how I feel on different programs and each time I take away something that helps me long term. I'm my own little nutrition science lab.
Secondly , I have a short attention span and I get bored. Since I know the key is just to keep up a deficit, I find that if I have a new program every few months, then I can keep up my enthusiasm while still giving that program time to yield results. So I've done 3-4 month stints on WW, basic calorie counting, IF, whole 30, low carb, over the years. It keeps me engaged and motivated to try new things, and I like what I learn about nutrition.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Number one tip: Beans. They're amazing little protein/fiber nuggets, incredibly affordable, easy to prepare (slow cook the dry ones or buy canned to have beans immediately), and they fit into so many dishes. Bean burritos, chili, Italian pasta and beans, hummus, falafel, chickpea curry, lentil soup, black bean soup, navy bean soup, bean salad, chickpea salad sandwiches, bbq baked beans . . . I think you get the idea.
Awesome. Ok thanks - I use canned beans now but have never worked with dry ones so I will do some research on that. Like - can I cook them ahead of time and just store in the fridge? And how long will they keep? Anyhoe - in sure I can google that all.
Most safety resources will tell you that cooked beans will last for five days in the fridge. I personally eat them for up to seven days with no problems -- that's just my personal experience. The good news is that they freeze really well! If you cook them on the stove top or in a slow cooker, you can drain them or leave them in the liquid and then just thaw them when you're ready to eat. I will freeze them in 1-2 cup portions because that is what my recipes usually call for.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Number one tip: Beans. They're amazing little protein/fiber nuggets, incredibly affordable, easy to prepare (slow cook the dry ones or buy canned to have beans immediately), and they fit into so many dishes. Bean burritos, chili, Italian pasta and beans, hummus, falafel, chickpea curry, lentil soup, black bean soup, navy bean soup, bean salad, chickpea salad sandwiches, bbq baked beans . . . I think you get the idea.
Awesome. Ok thanks - I use canned beans now but have never worked with dry ones so I will do some research on that. Like - can I cook them ahead of time and just store in the fridge? And how long will they keep? Anyhoe - in sure I can google that all.
Most safety resources will tell you that cooked beans will last for five days in the fridge. I personally eat them for up to seven days with no problems -- that's just my personal experience. The good news is that they freeze really well! If you cook them on the stove top or in a slow cooker, you can drain them or leave them in the liquid and then just thaw them when you're ready to eat. I will freeze them in 1-2 cup portions because that is what my recipes usually call for.
Great idea ! Thanks!1 -
Dry beans are awesome and easier than you think. Be sure to buy a new bag at the store. Don't use that old bag of beans that have been languishing in your pantry for several years - they won't cook easily. I usually cook 2 lbs of dry beans at a time. I put them in a big pot with cold water and let them soak for about 4 hours. Overnight soaking is good also. Drain off the soak water. Add fresh water and start cooking. Stay nearby as they start boiling so you can turn the burner down and prevent boil-overs (Ha! I should listen to my own advice!). Start checking at about 45 minutes. Use a spoon to pull out a couple beans to taste. It's a matter of taste how well-done you like them. Mine normally cook fully in about an hour, but it depends a bit on how fresh the beans are and how done you like them. Once cooked, pour the beans into a colander/strainer and give them a quick rinse. Any beans that I'm not going to use in the next day or two get put into a ziplock bag and stashed in the freezer for later. It's nice to have cooked beans on hand - makes it just as convenient as canned and cheaper and less sodium!0
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rhinestoneradio wrote: »My biggest tip is to focus on fiber! Most people get plenty of protein, but not near enough fiber - plus it keeps you full! One of my favorite 'recipes' right now is to roast/air fry a variety of veggies (this week is mini tricolor potatoes, zucchini, carrots, brussel sprouts, and onions) and serve over lettuce with a hummus dressing (2T hummus, lemon juice, smoked paprika, whole grain mustard, water to thin it out). I can have a HUGE bowl of this stuff for lunch for under 350 calories.
If you're really focused on protein, try things like TVP, tofu, and tempeh. If you have a vegan/veggie restaurant in your town, try these things there - more calorically dense, but you will almost certainly like them prepared at a restaurant before experimenting at home!
I don't know if linking to other social media is allowed, but here is a link to my recipe Pinterest board - everything there is vegan or vegetarian https://pinterest.com/erinspapercut/cooking-dawn-to-dusk/
Feel free to add me or message if you have any other questions - I went veggie in November of last year and it was the best thing I've ever done, I feel so much better!
Thanks that all sounds awesome! I love the roasted veggie salad idea too. Sounds great.
I will look into fibre - I remember from my WW days how important that was . Any ideas what a good goal in grams to shoot for is?0 -
Weight losers that is...
I'm curious about trying out a vegetarian diet for a bit just to see how I feel on it. Im a prety big meat lover so ive never given it a shot before. I want to have a focus on keeping protein levels up and I do still have weight loss as a goal (no i dont think vegetarianism is going to magically cause weight loss outside of normal CICO - i just like following specific programs)
So my veggie eating friends - what's your one pro tip? What recipe or food do you especially find is your go to? Any tips for a total vegetarian noob?
My biggest tip is not to expect weight loss magic from vegetarianism . . . speaking as someone who's been vegetarian for 44 years, going from thin to overweight to obese to thin again. Fiber-rich foods - like veggies, fruits, whole grains - are filling for some people, but those can simply be added to an omnivorous diet by reducing other calorie sources.
I never recommend that someone become vegetarian or vegan unless they have moral or ethical reasons: Health justifications are thin at best, and it's ever so slightly socially and logistically more inconvenient. Imagine being invited for dinner at your meat-eating new boss's house - it can be managed, but it's potentially awkward; you have to pay a bit more attention to make certain some nutritional requirements get filled; and travel in some regions can make it difficult to get good nutrition (or avoid offending hosts in some other meat-centric cultures). As a long term life choice, it can even affect your potential choices of life partners. None of that is guaranteed to be a problem and it's certainly surmountable, but it's a consideration.
That said, if you want to get plenty of protein on a vegetarian diet, my suggestion is that you move away from the common "one big protein" way of looking at meals ("What's for dinner?" "Chicken."). Instead, look at ways to weave protein throughout the foods you eat. Sure, a major protein source in a meal is a good thing (beans, tofu, tempeh, Greek yogurt, etc.). But most vegetarian protein sources (especially whole foods ones) tend to be a little less protein-dense for their calories. The little bits of protein that come from picking protein-rich sides, snacks, veggies, fruits, and beverages can really add up through the day, and help out a lot. (There's nothing wrong with highly-processed commercially-available meat substitutes or protein powders, but I personally don't find them tasty or satisfying, so I don't eat them.)
A strategy I recommend is using diary review: Log what you eat, then every few days look at where you have things that contribute relatively many calories, but relatively little protein. Consider whether there are alternate foods you could increase that would be tasty and satisfying for you, but have a bit more protein. Example: Quinoa vs. rice, beans vs. corn as a side, etc.
If you're going from a meaty diet to a more fiber-rich more plant-oriented one, I recommend a gradual transition rather than an abrupt change. Your gut microbiome needs time to adapt. (Consider including some probiotic foods like live-culture kefir or yogurt (if you eat dairy), kombucha, raw/unpasteurized sauerkraut or kim chi, miso, etc.). If there's simply a big fiber increase, that will go better gradually, too, and it's important to eat enough fat and get enough fluids alongside so that your digestive throughput happens smoothly with higher fiber.
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Number one tip: Beans. They're amazing little protein/fiber nuggets, incredibly affordable, easy to prepare (slow cook the dry ones or buy canned to have beans immediately), and they fit into so many dishes. Bean burritos, chili, Italian pasta and beans, hummus, falafel, chickpea curry, lentil soup, black bean soup, navy bean soup, bean salad, chickpea salad sandwiches, bbq baked beans . . . I think you get the idea.
Awesome. Ok thanks - I use canned beans now but have never worked with dry ones so I will do some research on that. Like - can I cook them ahead of time and just store in the fridge? And how long will they keep? Anyhoe - in sure I can google that all.
Most safety resources will tell you that cooked beans will last for five days in the fridge. I personally eat them for up to seven days with no problems -- that's just my personal experience. The good news is that they freeze really well! If you cook them on the stove top or in a slow cooker, you can drain them or leave them in the liquid and then just thaw them when you're ready to eat. I will freeze them in 1-2 cup portions because that is what my recipes usually call for.
You can also freeze them without the liquid. They thaw very quickly that way.
Important things when cooking from dry: You want to look for beans that aren't old, so check expiration dates when you buy, or buy from a place you feel has a lot of turn-over in their beans. Most legumes, except for lentils and a few others, need to be "soaked" before cooking, either in cold water overnight (or all day if you put them on in the morning) or in water you've heated to boiling for about two hours. I prefer the cold water method, but I've had good results with the hot water method as well. When they're finished soaking, cut one in half. It should look the same all the way through (i.e., no pale, dry, hard core that the water hasn't reached -- if there is, try soaking longer, preferably with fresh water, and try reheating if you were using the short hot-water method). Change the water before cooking, which will help cut down on the flatulence issues.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Number one tip: Beans. They're amazing little protein/fiber nuggets, incredibly affordable, easy to prepare (slow cook the dry ones or buy canned to have beans immediately), and they fit into so many dishes. Bean burritos, chili, Italian pasta and beans, hummus, falafel, chickpea curry, lentil soup, black bean soup, navy bean soup, bean salad, chickpea salad sandwiches, bbq baked beans . . . I think you get the idea.
Awesome. Ok thanks - I use canned beans now but have never worked with dry ones so I will do some research on that. Like - can I cook them ahead of time and just store in the fridge? And how long will they keep? Anyhoe - in sure I can google that all.
Most safety resources will tell you that cooked beans will last for five days in the fridge. I personally eat them for up to seven days with no problems -- that's just my personal experience. The good news is that they freeze really well! If you cook them on the stove top or in a slow cooker, you can drain them or leave them in the liquid and then just thaw them when you're ready to eat. I will freeze them in 1-2 cup portions because that is what my recipes usually call for.
You can also freeze them without the liquid. They thaw very quickly that way.
Important things when cooking from dry: You want to look for beans that aren't old, so check expiration dates when you buy, or buy from a place you feel has a lot of turn-over in their beans. Most legumes, except for lentils and a few others, need to be "soaked" before cooking, either in cold water overnight (or all day if you put them on in the morning) or in water you've heated to boiling for about two hours. I prefer the cold water method, but I've had good results with the hot water method as well. When they're finished soaking, cut one in half. It should look the same all the way through (i.e., no pale, dry, hard core that the water hasn't reached -- if there is, try soaking longer, preferably with fresh water, and try reheating if you were using the short hot-water method). Change the water before cooking, which will help cut down on the flatulence issues.
Awesome. Great tips (especially the gas part! Id like to keep friends through this process. Lol)
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My biggest tip is to remember that things that take the place of meat in the meal don't always replace the nutrition you would've gotten from the meat. Two good examples that are fairly popular are portobello caps instead of burgers, and potato tacos. Both are yummy, but neither gives you the protein you'd get from the meat. New vegetarians aren't always alert for this (and people who are trying to plan around having a vegetarian at their BBQ never are), so it's easy for newer vegetarians to unintentionally build unbalanced diets if they're not careful.4
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Thanks @AnnPT77 for such a thorough answer. I am trying to be concious of the "hidden" protein that I can add in - the little amounts in foods not generally thought of as protein sources. Also i hear you on the inconvenience in social settings - my SIL is vegetarian and doesnt eat meat substitutes and we are currently trying to plan a vacation with many restaurant choices that will suit everyone - its not easy. Since my plan is essentially to try this for a few months, I can probably avoid some of the long term challenges , plus since imnot doing it for ethical reasons I also dont mind having meat the odd time if I'm at someones place and they dont have other options.0
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karenvandam wrote: »Dry beans are awesome and easier than you think. Be sure to buy a new bag at the store. Don't use that old bag of beans that have been languishing in your pantry for several years - they won't cook easily. I usually cook 2 lbs of dry beans at a time. I put them in a big pot with cold water and let them soak for about 4 hours. Overnight soaking is good also. Drain off the soak water. Add fresh water and start cooking. Stay nearby as they start boiling so you can turn the burner down and prevent boil-overs (Ha! I should listen to my own advice!). Start checking at about 45 minutes. Use a spoon to pull out a couple beans to taste. It's a matter of taste how well-done you like them. Mine normally cook fully in about an hour, but it depends a bit on how fresh the beans are and how done you like them. Once cooked, pour the beans into a colander/strainer and give them a quick rinse. Any beans that I'm not going to use in the next day or two get put into a ziplock bag and stashed in the freezer for later. It's nice to have cooked beans on hand - makes it just as convenient as canned and cheaper and less sodium!
Another option for cooking beans is in a slow cooker. If I start black beans before bed, they are done in the AM. No pre-soaking necessary with this method and timing.0 -
Thanks @AnnPT77 for such a thorough answer. I am trying to be concious of the "hidden" protein that I can add in - the little amounts in foods not generally thought of as protein sources. Also i hear you on the inconvenience in social settings - my SIL is vegetarian and doesnt eat meat substitutes and we are currently trying to plan a vacation with many restaurant choices that will suit everyone - its not easy. Since my plan is essentially to try this for a few months, I can probably avoid some of the long term challenges , plus since imnot doing it for ethical reasons I also dont mind having meat the odd time if I'm at someones place and they dont have other options.
I'd suggest keeping meat in your rotation once every week or two, then. I don't have a link, but I read a small crossover study about microbiota adaptation, where they had vegetarians willing to switch to eating meat for a while, and meat-eaters willing to be vegetarian for a while, and the researchers monitored gut microbiome when they switched. Memory is dim, but I remember that it was quicker than they expected - only on the order of a couple weeks IIRC.
IME, accidentally eating meat results in digestive distress . . . including that gassiness you're wanting to avoid for social reasons.
BTW, I think eating meat occasionally is a really good choice, for those who want to go near-veg but not for ethical/moral reasons. Socially easier, and keeps those meat-loving gut bugs alive and happy!
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Indian food is delicious.0
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Thanks @AnnPT77 for such a thorough answer. I am trying to be concious of the "hidden" protein that I can add in - the little amounts in foods not generally thought of as protein sources. Also i hear you on the inconvenience in social settings - my SIL is vegetarian and doesnt eat meat substitutes and we are currently trying to plan a vacation with many restaurant choices that will suit everyone - its not easy. Since my plan is essentially to try this for a few months, I can probably avoid some of the long term challenges , plus since imnot doing it for ethical reasons I also dont mind having meat the odd time if I'm at someones place and they dont have other options.
I'd suggest keeping meat in your rotation once every week or two, then. I don't have a link, but I read a small crossover study about microbiota adaptation, where they had vegetarians willing to switch to eating meat for a while, and meat-eaters willing to be vegetarian for a while, and the researchers monitored gut microbiome when they switched. Memory is dim, but I remember that it was quicker than they expected - only on the order of a couple weeks IIRC.
IME, accidentally eating meat results in digestive distress . . . including that gassiness you're wanting to avoid for social reasons.
BTW, I think eating meat occasionally is a really good choice, for those who want to go near-veg but not for ethical/moral reasons. Socially easier, and keeps those meat-loving gut bugs alive and happy!
This is a fantastic suggestion from an ethical/moral standpoint as well. Someone concerned about the ethical/moral impact of eating meat could do more net good by reducing meat consumption in the long term than they could by eliminating it in the short term but finding that unsustainable.3 -
Ok great suggestion @AnnPT77 . it will make it a bit easier to have meat once in awhile anyhow. Out of curiosity, is there any benefit from a gut bug perspective to eat or avoid red meat vs white meat?
Having been a vegetarian for 44 years, since waaaaaay before research about gut bugs was much of a thing, I have no idea. I've never run across anything that suggests it makes any difference, but I haven't been looking because I personally don't care.
I'd prolly hedge bets by eating some of both now and then, if it were me, and I actually liked meat. I haven't really seen anything incidentally that makes me understand why white meat is supposedly so much more virtue-laden than red meat, other than perhaps the debunked sat fat idea. Others may have more/better info.0
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