Why are tasty and healthy mutually exclusive?

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  • triciab79
    triciab79 Posts: 1,713 Member
    everything can be made tasty. Cauliflower makes really good "mashed potatoes" It doesn't do as well as cake. If you want cake try angel food cake.
  • prattiger65
    prattiger65 Posts: 1,657 Member
    The only reason you think that is because people have beat the idea of "healthy" versus "unhealthy" foods into your head.

    The two are not mutually exclusive. There is no such thing as inherently healthy or unhealthy food. Even cinnamon rolls covered in ice cream and frosting can be perfectly healthy.

    It's your overall diet that's healthy or unhealthy. It's healthy if it contains an appropriate number of calories and nutrients.

    This is a popular opinion on MFP. I have to disagree with you. Twinkies are not healthy. When eaten in moderation with a healthy diet, you can still be a pretty healthy person in general though.

    Having your own opinion is fine, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Please tell me how a twinkie, in and of itself, is unhealthy.
  • SirBonerFart
    SirBonerFart Posts: 1,185 Member
    The only reason you think that is because people have beat the idea of "healthy" versus "unhealthy" foods into your head.

    The two are not mutually exclusive. There is no such thing as inherently healthy or unhealthy food. Even cinnamon rolls covered in ice cream and frosting can be perfectly healthy.

    It's your overall diet that's healthy or unhealthy. It's healthy if it contains an appropriate number of calories and nutrients.

    This is a popular opinion on MFP. I have to disagree with you. Twinkies are not healthy. When eaten in moderation with a healthy diet, you can still be a pretty healthy person in general though.

    Having your own opinion is fine, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Please tell me how a twinkie, in and of itself, is unhealthy.

    He didn't say unhealthy he said NOT HEALTHY
  • jesusHchris
    jesusHchris Posts: 1,405 Member
    The only reason you think that is because people have beat the idea of "healthy" versus "unhealthy" foods into your head.

    The two are not mutually exclusive. There is no such thing as inherently healthy or unhealthy food. Even cinnamon rolls covered in ice cream and frosting can be perfectly healthy.

    It's your overall diet that's healthy or unhealthy. It's healthy if it contains an appropriate number of calories and nutrients.

    This is a popular opinion on MFP. I have to disagree with you. Twinkies are not healthy. When eaten in moderation with a healthy diet, you can still be a pretty healthy person in general though.

    Your last sentence is pretty much exactly what he said, but you disagree with him?

    "There is no such thing as inherently healthy or unhealthy food. "

    That's the part I disagree with. It's just my opinion, of course. What are your thoughts?
  • _crafty_
    _crafty_ Posts: 1,682 Member
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    Ate McDonald's for lunch 5 days in a row. Everything in moderation FTW!

    Mcdonalds 5 days in a row does not sound like moderation

    when you stay under your calorie goal for each one of those days, how is it not moderation?

    is the calories you consume the only thing you look at? what about fats, sugars, carbs etc? they all play a role.
  • skylark94
    skylark94 Posts: 2,036 Member
    I eat cake and pizza. I've lost 43 pounds eating cake and pizza. Portion control will take you far.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    The only reason you think that is because people have beat the idea of "healthy" versus "unhealthy" foods into your head.

    The two are not mutually exclusive. There is no such thing as inherently healthy or unhealthy food. Even cinnamon rolls covered in ice cream and frosting can be perfectly healthy.

    It's your overall diet that's healthy or unhealthy. It's healthy if it contains an appropriate number of calories and nutrients.

    This is a popular opinion on MFP. I have to disagree with you. Twinkies are not healthy. When eaten in moderation with a healthy diet, you can still be a pretty healthy person in general though.

    What's unhealthy about a Twinkie?
  • Sweet_Potato
    Sweet_Potato Posts: 1,119 Member
    Who said tasty and healthy are mutually exclusive? You're not using healthy ingredients properly if you find that to be true.
  • skylark94
    skylark94 Posts: 2,036 Member
    A moment on the lips, forever on the hips.

    Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels.

    Eat to live not live to eat.

    All of the above are favorite "thinspiration" for folks with eating disorders and all insanely stupid quotes. Food can and should be enjoyed.
  • _crafty_
    _crafty_ Posts: 1,682 Member
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    Ate McDonald's for lunch 5 days in a row. Everything in moderation FTW!

    Mcdonalds 5 days in a row does not sound like moderation

    when you stay under your calorie goal for each one of those days, how is it not moderation?

    is the calories you consume the only thing you look at? what about fats, sugars, carbs etc? they all play a role.
  • sharonfoustmills
    sharonfoustmills Posts: 519 Member
    I want that too, but it is not going to happen.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    Ate McDonald's for lunch 5 days in a row. Everything in moderation FTW!

    Mcdonalds 5 days in a row does not sound like moderation

    when you stay under your calorie goal for each one of those days, how is it not moderation?

    is the calories you consume the only thing you look at? what about fats, sugars, carbs etc? they all play a role.

    You can eat McDonald's - and a Twinkie - every day and still hit quality nutrient goals.
  • Tessyloowhoo
    Tessyloowhoo Posts: 504
    IDK my BBQ chicken pizza is pretty good!
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    ^there is a whole head of cauliflower in there
  • da_bears10089
    da_bears10089 Posts: 1,791 Member
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    Ate McDonald's for lunch 5 days in a row. Everything in moderation FTW!

    Mcdonalds 5 days in a row does not sound like moderation

    when you stay under your calorie goal for each one of those days, how is it not moderation?

    is the calories you consume the only thing you look at? what about fats, sugars, carbs etc? they all play a role.

    yes, i am FULLY aware of macros.

    ETA: I don't track sugar, but protein fo sho
  • nilbogger
    nilbogger Posts: 870 Member
    I get what you're saying, but there are some pretty healthy AND tasty foods out there.

    Like, guacamole.... hellooooo!!!
  • jesusHchris
    jesusHchris Posts: 1,405 Member
    What's unhealthy about a Twinkie?

    I think you'd have to take a look at the ingredients individually, but to start with, the high fructose corn syrup:

    "A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same. In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides. The researchers say the work sheds light on the factors contributing to obesity trends in the United States.[44]"

    link: http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

    Edit: My parents forced me to eat a carton of Twinkies when I was a little kid. There was supposed to be some lesson there. They were very new at parenting, obviously. ;)
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I eat cake and pizza. I've lost 43 pounds eating cake and pizza. Portion control will take you far.

    Losing weight while eating something doesn't really make it a healthy food.
  • SouperDuck
    SouperDuck Posts: 57 Member
    I am a chef. I know every trick about how to make food "delicious" by today's standards.

    Personally, I think modern food tastes like "insanity"

    So many artificial flavors and colors and enhancers that just wreck food. We do so much to our food, no wonder so many people develop food allergies now.

    Fast food and Junk food are loaded with things that we really don't know what the long term effects are. If you trust the FDA to determine what is safe, then you have more faith in them than I do.

    When you see kids that won't eat an apple because to doesn't have enough flavor to them, then you can see we have done something very wrong.
  • SouperDuck
    SouperDuck Posts: 57 Member
    corn syrup is an invert sugar. It is liquid in its normal state. It is chemically different and acts differently in cooking than sucrose.

    So, yeah, I can see why bodies would process it differently than sucrose because it is different.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    The only reason you think that is because people have beat the idea of "healthy" versus "unhealthy" foods into your head.

    The two are not mutually exclusive. There is no such thing as inherently healthy or unhealthy food. Even cinnamon rolls covered in ice cream and frosting can be perfectly healthy.

    It's your overall diet that's healthy or unhealthy. It's healthy if it contains an appropriate number of calories and nutrients.

    This is a popular opinion on MFP. I have to disagree with you. Twinkies are not healthy. When eaten in moderation with a healthy diet, you can still be a pretty healthy person in general though.

    Your last sentence is pretty much exactly what he said, but you disagree with him?

    It doesn't sound the same to me, but perhaps we have different definition for the terms "healthy food" and "healthy diet". I don't believe all food that may be part of a healthy diet (which would be pretty much everything that is not poisonous or to which one does not have an allergy or intollerance) qualifies as "healthy food".
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    What's unhealthy about a Twinkie?

    I think you'd have to take a look at the ingredients individually, but to start with, the high fructose corn syrup:

    "A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same. In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides. The researchers say the work sheds light on the factors contributing to obesity trends in the United States.[44]"

    link: http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

    Edit: My parents forced me to eat a carton of Twinkies when I was a little kid. There was supposed to be some lesson there. They were very new at parenting, obviously. ;)

    You're talking about chronic, long-term consumption of HFCS causing weight gain.

    First of all, if you have one Twinkie a day and it fits in your macros, you won't gain weight. Therefore, the entire passage you copied doesn't apply.

    Second, one Twinkie isn't long-term consumption anyway.

    There's nothing inherently unhealthy about a Twinkie. I encourage everyone who likes Twinkies to have one occasionally.
  • jesusHchris
    jesusHchris Posts: 1,405 Member
    You're talking about chronic, long-term consumption of HFCS causing weight gain.

    First of all, if you have one Twinkie a day and it fits in your macros, you won't gain weight. Therefore, the entire passage you copied doesn't apply.

    Second, one Twinkie isn't long-term consumption anyway.

    There's nothing inherently unhealthy about a Twinkie. I encourage everyone who likes Twinkies to have one occasionally.

    I think we're arguing semantics here. You can incorporate unhealthy food into a healthy diet in moderation. I do it all the time. That doesn't make them healthy, though.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    You can incorporate unhealthy food into a healthy diet

    Then what on earth makes the food inherently unhealthy??

    There's nothing unhealthy about a Twinkie. Yes, if you eat too many that's unhealthy. However, if you eat too many avocados that's also unhealthy.

    There's no such thing as an unhealthy food.
  • sandy_gee
    sandy_gee Posts: 372 Member
    A moment on the lips, forever on the hips.

    Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels.

    Eat to live not live to eat.
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    I f'kn love her. /end story
  • jesusHchris
    jesusHchris Posts: 1,405 Member
    There's no such thing as an unhealthy food.

    I think this is the part where we agree to disagree. It sounds like the word may just have different meanings for each of us, which I understand.

    You cinnamon rolls look delicious, by the way. Did you bake them?
  • SouperDuck
    SouperDuck Posts: 57 Member
    As we were taught in nutrition class at culinary school...
    Butter vs Margarine
    Who do you trust? A cow or a guy in a lab coat?
  • CapnGordo
    CapnGordo Posts: 327
    It's not fair I want cake and pizza to be as healthy as cauliflower
    Do you mean that it's not fair that you want cake and pizza, or that it's not fair that they aren't as healthy as cauliflower?

    Punctuation, dude. I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!
  • CapnGordo
    CapnGordo Posts: 327
    As we were taught in nutrition class at culinary school...
    Butter vs Margarine
    Who do you trust? A cow or a guy in a lab coat?
    Guy in a lab coat. Cows are dumb. DUH!
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    There's no such thing as an unhealthy food.

    I think this is the part where we agree to disagree. It sounds like the word may just have different meanings for each of us, which I understand.

    You cinnamon rolls look delicious, by the way. Did you bake them?

    They're Pillsbury, and they're covered in ice cream and frosting.

    And guess what. They were healthy. Saying they are unhealthy means I did something wrong or bad for my health by eating them, and that's absolutely untrue.
  • megan020103
    megan020103 Posts: 58
    I am a chef. I know every trick about how to make food "delicious" by today's standards.

    Personally, I think modern food tastes like "insanity"

    So many artificial flavors and colors and enhancers that just wreck food. We do so much to our food, no wonder so many people develop food allergies now.

    Fast food and Junk food are loaded with things that we really don't know what the long term effects are. If you trust the FDA to determine what is safe, then you have more faith in them than I do.

    When you see kids that won't eat an apple because to doesn't have enough flavor to them, then you can see we have done something very wrong.

    Could not agree more!

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