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The best advice I can give you is... first of all... don't listen to people who tell you not to worry about healthy.
There are only 3 main things you should have to do to get to a healthy body weight.
1. get the recommended amount of exercise (at least 300 minutes per week)
2. eat a wide variety of healthy foods
3. limit junk food to the occasional treat to reward yourself for doing 1 and 2
When you exercise, you increase your fitness level. As your fitness level increases you will get closer to a healthy body weigh over time (as long as you do not do too much of 3)
And that is it.73 -
OldAssDude wrote: »The best advice I can give you is... first of all... don't listen to people who tell you not to worry about healthy.
There are only 3 main things you should have to do to get to a healthy body weight.
1. get the recommended amount of exercise (at least 300 minutes per week)
2. eat a wide variety of healthy foods
3. limit junk food to the occasional treat to reward yourself for doing 1 and 2
When you exercise, you increase your fitness level. As your fitness level increases you will get closer to a healthy body weigh over time (as long as you do not do too much of 3)
And that is it.
The above system will work for a certain number of people because for them it does result in a calorie deficit. It will not work for everyone. For some people it will definitely result in a fat gain and possibly a worse relationship with food. Some people assume that because something works for them it will work for everyone which is how weight loss myths are born. These myths add to weight less effort failures.
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psychod787 wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »The best advice I can give you is... first of all... don't listen to people who tell you not to worry about healthy.
There are only 3 main things you should have to do to get to a healthy body weight.
1. get the recommended amount of exercise (at least 300 minutes per week)
2. eat a wide variety of healthy foods
3. limit junk food to the occasional treat to reward yourself for doing 1 and 2
When you exercise, you increase your fitness level. As your fitness level increases you will get closer to a healthy body weigh over time (as long as you do not do too much of 3)
And that is it.
Dear o dear awful advice.
Sarcasm I hope?
Well no, because the questions then become, "are a variety of healthy foods", "what is junk food", and "how much of this should any given individual eat". To get to a healthy body weight you either need to eat fewer calories than you expend or more calories (depending on if you're wanting to lose or gain weight); CICO.
I personally would argue that the lamb curry that I made last night is what a lot of people would traditionally think of as "healthy". Ground lamb, cherry tomatoes, a tbsp of oil, peas, and various spices. If I ate enough of that, to get me over my calorie goal for the day (not super hard given the rest of what I ate that day), and ate similar foods that got me over the calorie goal, I would gain weight despite the fact that my goal is to lose weight.
On top of that, in terms of the 300 minutes of exercise a week, the recommended amount by the World Health Organization is 150 minutes moderate aerobic activity or 75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity a week (or a combination of the two). They say further benefits can be had if you get to 300 minutes, but 150 minutes the recommended amount per week.6 -
psychod787 wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »The best advice I can give you is... first of all... don't listen to people who tell you not to worry about healthy.
There are only 3 main things you should have to do to get to a healthy body weight.
1. get the recommended amount of exercise (at least 300 minutes per week)
2. eat a wide variety of healthy foods
3. limit junk food to the occasional treat to reward yourself for doing 1 and 2
When you exercise, you increase your fitness level. As your fitness level increases you will get closer to a healthy body weigh over time (as long as you do not do too much of 3)
And that is it.
Dear o dear awful advice.
Sarcasm I hope?
Well no, because the questions then become, "are a variety of healthy foods", "what is junk food", and "how much of this should any given individual eat". To get to a healthy body weight you either need to eat fewer calories than you expend or more calories (depending on if you're wanting to lose or gain weight); CICO.
I personally would argue that the lamb curry that I made last night is what a lot of people would traditionally think of as "healthy". Ground lamb, cherry tomatoes, a tbsp of oil, peas, and various spices. If I ate enough of that, to get me over my calorie goal for the day (not super hard given the rest of what I ate that day), and ate similar foods that got me over the calorie goal, I would gain weight despite the fact that my goal is to lose weight.
On top of that, in terms of the 300 minutes of exercise a week, the recommended amount by the World Health Organization is 150 minutes moderate aerobic activity or 75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity a week (or a combination of the two). They say further benefits can be had if you get to 300 minutes, but 150 minutes the recommended amount per week.
Well, true, what us "healthy". That is completely subjective. Point conceded. # edit..... opinion time.... lol..... if we look at the members of the NWCR, yes I know, 12000 out of millions right? They tend to exercise an hour a day. That would be over 300 mins. I, ok it's subjective time here, that 150 mins or 75 mins, is just wrong. In 1950, sure, most people were more active in daily life, cooked at home, ect.... now? Well.... just look at modern countries, we have machines that do most things for us.... Just some personal observations. N=1, big time there. Lol0 -
arilukaszewicz1 wrote: »I have been working out in the mornings for 2 weeks straight, yay!
The problem lies in the fact I will eat healthy and 2000 calories or less for a couple days then it all goes to *kitten*. It’s really annoying and I need tips on how to counteract this please
I'm sure you noticed by now that people have posted against my advice to you, and it certainly is your choice to do what you feel is best for you.
I will explain in more detail if it will help you to understand that a healthy body weight is not just about eating less. It's about total health, which includes a good fitness level.
The CDC (as well as other health associations) recommend at least 150 minutes of exercise per week to maintain fitness level. To improve fitness level they recommend at least doubling that number until the desired fitness level is achieved. A good rule of thumb would be to divide that up to about 25-30 percent muscular and 70-75 percent cardio in general.
A good fitness level means: A stronger heart. Stronger lungs. Stronger muscles. Stronger joints. And, a Stronger mind. It will make your body much more efficient and healthy.
A healthy body is more resistant to disease, and better able to get rid of what it doesn't need.
An unhealthy body is less resistant to disease, and less able to get rid of what it doesn't need.
Eating a wide variety of healthy foods will fuel your exercise to insure you are getting all the required nutrients, and limiting junk foods to once in a while will allow you to enjoy things you like in moderation (like a reward for doing a 5 mile run that day).
Logging your food is a great idea at first, but use it as a learning tool, and over time you will know how to eat right without logging.
All people have a heart, lungs, muscles, joints, and a brain.
So this will work for everyone.
We evolved for a couple million years to be very active every day, hunting and gathering, but since man invented the couch it's been down hill ever since.
A little bit about me...
I was obese a few years back and started having some health issues that let to me having to have surgery. They had to test my heart and lungs to see if I would make it through the surgery. During the testing they discovered that I had COPD, and that I have had a heart attack at some point. They still did the surgery, but they told me if I did not start exercising, lose weight, and quit smoking that I would not be around much longer. They told me to start walking for exercise.
At first I could barely walk a mile at a slow pace (about 3 mph), and then I had to lay down for an hour because I felt like I was going to die. I felt so pathetic that I asked family members to shoot me in the head and put me out of my misery...LOL
I bought a fitness tracker, set it up to lose 1 lb. per week, and started logging my food. Logging my food helped me learn about eating foods that where good for me and still staying within my calories. And because of all the walking I was actually eating more that I was before all this started.
I kept walking no matter how much it killed me, and after a few months was able to go much faster and farther without having to lay down. It started actually feeling good.
I got a better fitness device that would monitor my heart rate wile exercising. Within 2 years I could power walk 10+ miles at a 4+ mph pace. I started having trouble keeping my heart rate in the cardio zone so I started to add running into my workouts. Now I can run 5 miles and do power walking for recovery.
During this time my body weight got closer and closer to a healthy weight, and I was eating more, but eating smarter. I was in a size 40 pants 3 years ago, and now I'm in a 32 pants.
I recently had another stress test and they told me that my heart actually healed itself from my heart attack, and that it is strong and healthy now. Also, all my blood work is perfectly normal now. 3 years ago it was a mess.
So, it's your choice to do what you think is right for you, but this advice IMO would be the best advice for any person.
Good luck.19 -
OldAssDude wrote: »arilukaszewicz1 wrote: »I have been working out in the mornings for 2 weeks straight, yay!
The problem lies in the fact I will eat healthy and 2000 calories or less for a couple days then it all goes to *kitten*. It’s really annoying and I need tips on how to counteract this please
I'm sure you noticed by now that people have posted against my advice to you, and it certainly is your choice to do what you feel is best for you.
I will explain in more detail if it will help you to understand that a healthy body weight is not just about eating less. It's about total health, which includes a good fitness level.
The CDC (as well as other health associations) recommend at least 150 minutes of exercise per week to maintain fitness level. To improve fitness level they recommend at least doubling that number until the desired fitness level is achieved. A good rule of thumb would be to divide that up to about 25-30 percent muscular and 70-75 percent cardio in general.
A good fitness level means: A stronger heart. Stronger lungs. Stronger muscles. Stronger joints. And, a Stronger mind. It will make your body much more efficient and healthy.
A healthy body is more resistant to disease, and better able to get rid of what it doesn't need.
An unhealthy body is less resistant to disease, and less able to get rid of what it doesn't need.
Eating a wide variety of healthy foods will fuel your exercise to insure you are getting all the required nutrients, and limiting junk foods to once in a while will allow you to enjoy things you like in moderation (like a reward for doing a 5 mile run that day).
Logging your food is a great idea at first, but use it as a learning tool, and over time you will know how to eat right without logging.
All people have a heart, lungs, muscles, joints, and a brain.
So this will work for everyone.
We evolved for a couple million years to be very active every day, hunting and gathering, but since man invented the couch it's been down hill ever since.
A little bit about me...
I was obese a few years back and started having some health issues that let to me having to have surgery. They had to test my heart and lungs to see if I would make it through the surgery. During the testing they discovered that I had COPD, and that I have had a heart attack at some point. They still did the surgery, but they told me if I did not start exercising, lose weight, and quit smoking that I would not be around much longer. They told me to start walking for exercise.
At first I could barely walk a mile at a slow pace (about 3 mph), and then I had to lay down for an hour because I felt like I was going to die. I felt so pathetic that I asked family members to shoot me in the head and put me out of my misery...LOL
I bought a fitness tracker, set it up to lose 1 lb. per week, and started logging my food. Logging my food helped me learn about eating foods that where good for me and still staying within my calories. And because of all the walking I was actually eating more that I was before all this started.
I kept walking no matter how much it killed me, and after a few months was able to go much faster and farther without having to lay down. It started actually feeling good.
I got a better fitness device that would monitor my heart rate wile exercising. Within 2 years I could power walk 10+ miles at a 4+ mph pace. I started having trouble keeping my heart rate in the cardio zone so I started to add running into my workouts. Now I can run 5 miles and do power walking for recovery.
During this time my body weight got closer and closer to a healthy weight, and I was eating more, but eating smarter. I was in a size 40 pants 3 years ago, and now I'm in a 32 pants.
I recently had another stress test and they told me that my heart actually healed itself from my heart attack, and that it is strong and healthy now. Also, all my blood work is perfectly normal now. 3 years ago it was a mess.
So, it's your choice to do what you think is right for you, but this advice IMO would be the best advice for any person.
Good luck.
Everyone should be meeting their nutritional needs. But given the various stereotypes people have about "eating healthy," it's also important for them to understand that they can do this without unnecessary restriction.
We don't know exactly what "healthy" means to OP or why they are struggling with it. That's why people are advising them to focus on what creates weight loss -- a calorie deficit -- and meeting their nutritional needs within that context.
Telling someone to make "smarter" choices when we don't know if there is anything actually wrong with what they're eating doesn't really make sense.
You had to change things to meet your nutritional needs. Does OP? We have no idea -- they might be struggling because, like many people, they have an unrealistic idea of how they need to eat in order to lose weight.26 -
OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
The OP is exercising so your participation in this thread seems to revolve around being a contrarian. People are trying to assist her with why she is bingeing... will exercise help with that too? I am glad to see that you recognize that eating less than you burn is a course of action. Growth in views is important at any age.
I don't really feel the need to answer your questions because I haven't said whatever it is that you are imagining that I am saying.
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
And for some people, the more they exercise, the hungrier they get - and the more difficult it is to maintain a calorie deficit.
It takes me close to an hour to burn 500 calories running. I can easily wipe out 500 calories in five minutes of eating.
Exercise is a good thing for a lot of reasons, but it's not a panacea for weight loss. You can't out-exercise a bad diet.24 -
OldAssDude wrote: »
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
So if a person is undereating and bingeing they should exercise more to eat less?7 -
OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
The OP is exercising so your participation in this thread seems to revolve around being a contrarian. People are trying to assist her with why she is bingeing... will exercise help with that too? I am glad to see that you recognize that eating less than you burn is a course of action. Growth in views is important at any age.
I don't really feel the need to answer your questions because I haven't said whatever it is that you are imagining that I am saying.
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
You're toeing the line of supporting exercise bulimia, whether you know it or not. Ideas like that are incredibly dangerous to someone who is already dealing with disordered eating patterns.21 -
psychod787 wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I'm sure you noticed by now that people have posted against my advice to you, and it certainly is your choice to do what you feel is best for you.
I will explain in more detail if it will help you to understand that a healthy body weight is not just about eating less. It's about total health, which includes a good fitness level.
The CDC (as well as other health associations) recommend at least 150 minutes of exercise per week to maintain fitness level. To improve fitness level they recommend at least doubling that number until the desired fitness level is achieved. A good rule of thumb would be to divide that up to about 25-30 percent muscular and 70-75 percent cardio in general.
A good fitness level means: A stronger heart. Stronger lungs. Stronger muscles. Stronger joints. And, a Stronger mind. It will make your body much more efficient and healthy.
A healthy body is more resistant to disease, and better able to get rid of what it doesn't need.
An unhealthy body is less resistant to disease, and less able to get rid of what it doesn't need.
Eating a wide variety of healthy foods will fuel your exercise to insure you are getting all the required nutrients, and limiting junk foods to once in a while will allow you to enjoy things you like in moderation (like a reward for doing a 5 mile run that day).
Logging your food is a great idea at first, but use it as a learning tool, and over time you will know how to eat right without logging.
All people have a heart, lungs, muscles, joints, and a brain.
So this will work for everyone.
We evolved for a couple million years to be very active every day, hunting and gathering, but since man invented the couch it's been down hill ever since.
A little bit about me...
I was obese a few years back and started having some health issues that let to me having to have surgery. They had to test my heart and lungs to see if I would make it through the surgery. During the testing they discovered that I had COPD, and that I have had a heart attack at some point. They still did the surgery, but they told me if I did not start exercising, lose weight, and quit smoking that I would not be around much longer. They told me to start walking for exercise.
At first I could barely walk a mile at a slow pace (about 3 mph), and then I had to lay down for an hour because I felt like I was going to die. I felt so pathetic that I asked family members to shoot me in the head and put me out of my misery...LOL
I bought a fitness tracker, set it up to lose 1 lb. per week, and started logging my food. Logging my food helped me learn about eating foods that where good for me and still staying within my calories. And because of all the walking I was actually eating more that I was before all this started.
I kept walking no matter how much it killed me, and after a few months was able to go much faster and farther without having to lay down. It started actually feeling good.
I got a better fitness device that would monitor my heart rate wile exercising. Within 2 years I could power walk 10+ miles at a 4+ mph pace. I started having trouble keeping my heart rate in the cardio zone so I started to add running into my workouts. Now I can run 5 miles and do power walking for recovery.
During this time my body weight got closer and closer to a healthy weight, and I was eating more, but eating smarter. I was in a size 40 pants 3 years ago, and now I'm in a 32 pants.
I recently had another stress test and they told me that my heart actually healed itself from my heart attack, and that it is strong and healthy now. Also, all my blood work is perfectly normal now. 3 years ago it was a mess.
So, it's your choice to do what you think is right for you, but this advice IMO would be the best advice for any person.
Good luck.
I bolded the part that is really relevant to losing weight.
Seems like you had a really big health scare and I am truly happy you are in a better state now.
The OP has been exercising. It could be that exercising could be causing part of her problems if she is not eating enough to fuel it and that is contributing to her bingeing. No one here is anti-exercise but most people here know that a calorie deficit is where weight loss truly begins and according to the bolded part of your post it was a factor in your success as well.
I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
Wooo away folks..... but I think this is A good example of what you are talking about.
https://youtu.be/CfeUZ63Jmc4
Yes it is.
It's a shame that a forum like MyFitnessPal (it even has Fitness right in the name) would allow so many people to post so much bad advice to people who are trying to get healthy.
Maybe they should rename it to MyUnFitnessPal or something like that...LOL21 -
OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
The OP is exercising so your participation in this thread seems to revolve around being a contrarian. People are trying to assist her with why she is bingeing... will exercise help with that too? I am glad to see that you recognize that eating less than you burn is a course of action. Growth in views is important at any age.
I don't really feel the need to answer your questions because I haven't said whatever it is that you are imagining that I am saying.
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
And for some people, the more they exercise, the hungrier they get - and the more difficult it is to maintain a calorie deficit.
It takes me close to an hour to burn 500 calories running. I can easily wipe out 500 calories in five minutes of eating.
Exercise is a good thing for a lot of reasons, but it's not a panacea for weight loss. You can't out-exercise a bad diet.
You can eat 500 calories in 5 minutes?
That sounds like gluttony.
And you can't out-diet an unfit body.20 -
Ok, I will call on pav888 and people here maintaining weight loss. Why do we exercise. Well, it feels good, i mean being active can release endorphins. We like to stay fit. Another big factor, at least for some of us, it allows us to eat a little more. I know maintain at current activity about 3100-3300 cals. If I were sed, about 2200-400 cals. Someone trying to get a 500 cal def can either eat 500 cals less a day , or maybe eat 250 less and burn 250 in physical activity. As far as cico, yes, it's all energy in and out, I have seen guys at the gym get just nasty shred eating strait garbage<
subjective, sorry, but They are the first that I see going on binges after a cut. I have seen them plow on 15-20 lbs, not bulking that is, in a month. The guys that maintain their physical form, tend to take it as a whole. They are the ones who are rigidly flexible. They will eat mc d's, but they limit it. They take it as a lifestyle. No, anvil, you can't out exercise a horrid diet. I don't think anyone is advocating exercise bulimia here. Op needs to fuel her work outs, but that will allow her the flex to have flexibility in her life. Are we shooting for just weigjt loss, or a course correction in life. On that note. I'm out.2 -
psychod787 wrote: »...No, anvil, you can't out exercise a horrid diet...
It doesn't even have anything to do with a "horrid" diet. It has to do with too many calories. And the point is that most people don't (and won't) burn enough calories exercising to counteract the ones they're taking in.
Yes, if you're exercising, you need to fuel those workouts. And exercise is a good thing for a lot of reasons. But unless you get your calorie intake in order, you're going to have a hell of a time out-exercising your fork. It's a lot easier to not eat that extra 500 calories in the first place than it is to try to burn them off when you've overindulged.17 -
You can certainly overeat a fit body. The most extreme example would be sumo wrestlers, but you could also say the same about some weight classes of weight lifting and plenty of amature athletes in all sorts of sports (both adults and youth). The next time you watch a marathon, as in non elite athletes running a marathon, it should become very apparent that you can be cardiovascularly fit and also be overweight.OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
The OP is exercising so your participation in this thread seems to revolve around being a contrarian. People are trying to assist her with why she is bingeing... will exercise help with that too? I am glad to see that you recognize that eating less than you burn is a course of action. Growth in views is important at any age.
I don't really feel the need to answer your questions because I haven't said whatever it is that you are imagining that I am saying.
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
And for some people, the more they exercise, the hungrier they get - and the more difficult it is to maintain a calorie deficit.
It takes me close to an hour to burn 500 calories running. I can easily wipe out 500 calories in five minutes of eating.
Exercise is a good thing for a lot of reasons, but it's not a panacea for weight loss. You can't out-exercise a bad diet.
You can eat 500 calories in 5 minutes?
That sounds like gluttony.
And you can't out-diet an unfit body.
Yes my life would be easier if I weighed 155 lbs. Climbing hills would be much easier. That said, at 210 I was able to do a century with well over 5k feet of climbing seven months out from knee surgery, I get well over 300 minutes of aerobic exercise a week, I've thankfully never been in a situation where walking has ever been hard because of cardio related issues (injury/surgery issues - yes), and the only reason I couldn't run in the past was because of congenital physiological issues.
I am an athlete. I'm also overweight. That you don't seem to think these two things are able to coexist is a flaw in your own logic and an unwillingness to open your eyes to what exists in the world.17 -
I never said you couldn't exercise and be over weight.
I said three things
1. get the recommended amount of exercise
2. eat a wide variety of healthy foods
3. limit the junk food
people can twist that into what ever they want, but exercise should be a part of every ones day. Just like eating is.
I'm not going to feed into this lynch mob any more, so I'm just going to stop here.19 -
OldAssDude wrote: »The best advice I can give you is... first of all... don't listen to people who tell you not to worry about healthy.
There are only 3 main things you should have to do to get to a healthy body weight.
1. get the recommended amount of exercise (at least 300 minutes per week)
2. eat a wide variety of healthy foods
3. limit junk food to the occasional treat to reward yourself for doing 1 and 2
When you exercise, you increase your fitness level. As your fitness level increases you will get closer to a healthy body weigh over time (as long as you do not do too much of 3)
And that is it.
Which no said. Ever. That a total strawman.
As far as your recommendations, what is missing is: manage your calorie intake. 1 and 2 are fine. 3 can be overly restrictive for some. However, moderation in these things is good. People can manage calories by counting or for some, intuitively.
It is wise to exercise but health blood markers can be dramatically improved through weight loss via diet alone. There is ample evidence of this. Google the twinkies diet. To argue to vehemently while ignoring calorie control seems irrational.7 -
OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
The OP is exercising so your participation in this thread seems to revolve around being a contrarian. People are trying to assist her with why she is bingeing... will exercise help with that too? I am glad to see that you recognize that eating less than you burn is a course of action. Growth in views is important at any age.
I don't really feel the need to answer your questions because I haven't said whatever it is that you are imagining that I am saying.
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
And for some people, the more they exercise, the hungrier they get - and the more difficult it is to maintain a calorie deficit.
It takes me close to an hour to burn 500 calories running. I can easily wipe out 500 calories in five minutes of eating.
Exercise is a good thing for a lot of reasons, but it's not a panacea for weight loss. You can't out-exercise a bad diet.
You can eat 500 calories in 5 minutes?
That sounds like gluttony.
And you can't out-diet an unfit body.
I'm coming into this conversation after the split, so I'm missing some of the back story...
But hell yes you can eat 500 cals in 5 minutes. It's not even that hard. Heck, I can do it from "healthy" foods, too.
I don't disagree with some of what you've said in this post, but the blanket nature of the way you're saying it (or how it's reading to me) makes it open for criticism.8 -
I have been here for 4 years and I have literally never seen a regular poster say that exercise isn't important for good health, including in this and the original thread.
If someone's goal is weight management, they are told to focus first on food, as it is generally easier to do consistently, and easier to track accurately. Many people can't or won't exercise every day, but almost all will eat every day. Then they are told to think of exercise for health and fitness, and supporting weight loss will be a bonus.
Folks who start exercising to lose weight and don't log their food accurately and consistently often end up eating more, and don't even realize it. Whether it's due to a subtle appetite spike or a feeling of "I worked out, so now I need this protein/fruit smoothie" (that ends up having as many calories as you just burned). Perhaps for a large man who can burn 500 cals with moderate effort at the gym, this might not be as much of a problem, but for a average height woman trying to lose 20 lbs, she might only be burning 200 cals in her workout 5 days a week. Easy to eat that back without even realizing.
Interestingly, most (if not all) of the posters accused of promoting "unfitness" are very fit people who exercise more than most. They just learned from experience that it was controlling their intake that made the weight loss happen and stick. So they are trying to pass that along to others, and assume that newbies are aware that exercise is "healthy", but are too focused on it "causing weight loss".
I guess this is a nice change from being scolded for telling people to "eat less and move more"
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I have been here for 4 years and I have literally never seen a regular poster say that exercise isn't important for good health, including in this and the original thread.
If someone's goal is weight management, they are told to focus first on food, as it is generally easier to do consistently, and easier to track accurately. Many people can't or won't exercise every day, but almost all will eat every day. Then they are told to think of exercise for health and fitness, and supporting weight loss will be a bonus.
Folks who start exercising to lose weight and don't log their food accurately and consistently often end up eating more, and don't even realize it. Whether it's due to a subtle appetite spike or a feeling of "I worked out, so now I need this protein/fruit smoothie" (that ends up having as many calories as you just burned). Perhaps for a large man who can burn 500 cals with moderate effort at the gym, this might not be as much of a problem, but for a average height woman trying to lose 20 lbs, she might only be burning 200 cals in her workout 5 days a week. Easy to eat that back without even realizing.
Interestingly, most (if not all) of the posters accused of promoting "unfitness" are very fit people who exercise more than most. They just learned from experience that it was controlling their intake that made the weight loss happen and stick. So they are trying to pass that along to others, and assume that newbies are aware that exercise is "healthy", but are too focused on it "causing weight loss".
I guess this is a nice change from being scolded for telling people to "eat less and move more"
Excellent points. Personally, I have always exercised. When I was a healthy weight, when I gained weight, when I was chubby and when i lost weight. The difference in these states was calorie control.6 -
I have been here for 4 years and I have literally never seen a regular poster say that exercise isn't important for good health, including in this and the original thread.
If someone's goal is weight management, they are told to focus first on food, as it is generally easier to do consistently, and easier to track accurately. Many people can't or won't exercise every day, but almost all will eat every day. Then they are told to think of exercise for health and fitness, and supporting weight loss will be a bonus.
Folks who start exercising to lose weight and don't log their food accurately and consistently often end up eating more, and don't even realize it. Whether it's due to a subtle appetite spike or a feeling of "I worked out, so now I need this protein/fruit smoothie" (that ends up having as many calories as you just burned). Perhaps for a large man who can burn 500 cals with moderate effort at the gym, this might not be as much of a problem, but for a average height woman trying to lose 20 lbs, she might only be burning 200 cals in her workout 5 days a week. Easy to eat that back without even realizing.
Interestingly, most (if not all) of the posters accused of promoting "unfitness" are very fit people who exercise more than most. They just learned from experience that it was controlling their intake that made the weight loss happen and stick. So they are trying to pass that along to others, and assume that newbies are aware that exercise is "healthy", but are too focused on it "causing weight loss".
I guess this is a nice change from being scolded for telling people to "eat less and move more"
Excellent points. Personally, I have always exercised. When I was a healthy weight, when I gained weight, when I was chubby and when i lost weight. The difference in these states was calorie control.
Me too! I've been an exerciser most of my life and forever chubby until I started counting calories correctly. MFP has made it a no-brainer.5 -
I've been vegetarian for 44 years, eating mostly healthy foods. I've never been much of a soda pop drinker; I think it's yucky. I rarely eat fast food, haven't for decades; I think it's yucky.
I was very active for a dozen years before ever coming to MFP, getting that 150 minutes of exercise and more pretty routinely every week, low resting heart rate, decent strength and endurance, competing athletically and even winning the occasional place medal.
So I was doing these things:1. get the recommended amount of exercise
2. eat a wide variety of healthy foods
3. limit the junk food
But I was obese, BMI over 30. And I stayed obese. And my cholesterol/triglycerides were high, and my blood pressure was high.
So what did I need to change?
Here's what I did change: I ate less. I ate mostly the same foods, just less. I exercised pretty much the same amount. I still didn't eat much soda pop, fast food, etc., because I still think it's yucky.
My fitness hasn't changed much: My rowing machine race pace is about the same, my resting heart rate is about the same, my endurance is about the same.
But my body weight has dropped by 50+ pounds. My blood lipids are excellent. My blood pressure is normal. My BMI is around 22.
What I think: Proper calorie intake for weight management + solid macros/micros/fiber/phytonutrients for nutrition + exercise for fitness = best odds of long term good health.
I've written that "equation" over and over in threads here.
If anyone needs to move toward better health, it matters what their starting point is. The starting point differs.
Adding exercise would've done nothing for me except put my life severely out of good balance - people need to do more in life than just exercise IMO. Me, I needed to manage my calorie intake. Period.
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Well I agree those are pretty good tips for maintaining a general healthy lifestyle. She could make sure to get plenty of exercise, make healthier food choices and limit "junk" and she very well could lose weight. I'm sure those three changes would result in some weight loss for a lot of people. But she might not, depending on how much she's eating, and what her starting point was. I think that's the point everyone is making.1
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OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
The OP is exercising so your participation in this thread seems to revolve around being a contrarian. People are trying to assist her with why she is bingeing... will exercise help with that too? I am glad to see that you recognize that eating less than you burn is a course of action. Growth in views is important at any age.
I don't really feel the need to answer your questions because I haven't said whatever it is that you are imagining that I am saying.
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
And for some people, the more they exercise, the hungrier they get - and the more difficult it is to maintain a calorie deficit.
It takes me close to an hour to burn 500 calories running. I can easily wipe out 500 calories in five minutes of eating.
Exercise is a good thing for a lot of reasons, but it's not a panacea for weight loss. You can't out-exercise a bad diet.
You can eat 500 calories in 5 minutes?
That sounds like gluttony.
And you can't out-diet an unfit body.
I'm coming into this conversation after the split, so I'm missing some of the back story...
But hell yes you can eat 500 cals in 5 minutes. It's not even that hard. Heck, I can do it from "healthy" foods, too.
I don't disagree with some of what you've said in this post, but the blanket nature of the way you're saying it (or how it's reading to me) makes it open for criticism.
1 cup of trail mix generally has around 600-700 calories. I've seen my (non-gluttonous) brother eat that much in 5 minutes. It's not at all hard to eat 500 calories in 5 minutes when you're talking about calorie-dense foods.
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janejellyroll wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
The OP is exercising so your participation in this thread seems to revolve around being a contrarian. People are trying to assist her with why she is bingeing... will exercise help with that too? I am glad to see that you recognize that eating less than you burn is a course of action. Growth in views is important at any age.
I don't really feel the need to answer your questions because I haven't said whatever it is that you are imagining that I am saying.
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
And for some people, the more they exercise, the hungrier they get - and the more difficult it is to maintain a calorie deficit.
It takes me close to an hour to burn 500 calories running. I can easily wipe out 500 calories in five minutes of eating.
Exercise is a good thing for a lot of reasons, but it's not a panacea for weight loss. You can't out-exercise a bad diet.
You can eat 500 calories in 5 minutes?
That sounds like gluttony.
And you can't out-diet an unfit body.
I'm coming into this conversation after the split, so I'm missing some of the back story...
But hell yes you can eat 500 cals in 5 minutes. It's not even that hard. Heck, I can do it from "healthy" foods, too.
I don't disagree with some of what you've said in this post, but the blanket nature of the way you're saying it (or how it's reading to me) makes it open for criticism.
1 cup of trail mix generally has around 600-700 calories. I've seen my (non-gluttonous) brother eat that much in 5 minutes. It's not at all hard to eat 500 calories in 5 minutes when you're talking about calorie-dense foods.
One PB&J sandwich and a glass of milk is over 500 calories, and it would take me longer to make it than it would to eat it. That's hardly gluttonous.5 -
OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »OldAssDude wrote: »I bolded the part of your post which may be helpful. Which is nothing.
Do you think a calorie deficit is caused from just counting calories?
No... It's not.
You can either eat less than you burn, or burn more than you eat, and you "must" do both to be successful long term.
Are you saying that total health is just weight?
please explain why people should be at a healthy weight, but not be at a healthy fitness level.
The OP is exercising so your participation in this thread seems to revolve around being a contrarian. People are trying to assist her with why she is bingeing... will exercise help with that too? I am glad to see that you recognize that eating less than you burn is a course of action. Growth in views is important at any age.
I don't really feel the need to answer your questions because I haven't said whatever it is that you are imagining that I am saying.
The OP has only been exercising for 2 weeks.
And yes. Exercise will help with binge eating. The more a person exercises the less time they have to sit around thinking about eating.
And for some people, the more they exercise, the hungrier they get - and the more difficult it is to maintain a calorie deficit.
It takes me close to an hour to burn 500 calories running. I can easily wipe out 500 calories in five minutes of eating.
Exercise is a good thing for a lot of reasons, but it's not a panacea for weight loss. You can't out-exercise a bad diet.
You can eat 500 calories in 5 minutes?
That sounds like gluttony.
And you can't out-diet an unfit body.
A piece of pecan pie is over 500 calories - takes about 5 minutes to eat, or less. I can eat a 600 calorie burger in about 5-10 minutes. Not gluttony, but reality for a lot of people.4
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