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Food Supply & Human Future
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We are one fart, sneeze, or bird poo landing in the wrong place from a global pandemic that we won't be able to get ahead of. It's happened before and it will happen again, just like wars, natural disasters, and a myriad of other things that can tip the balance of the human population on Earth. Science and technology might be able to keep some of it at bay but in that same train of thought it could be part of the problem rather than the solution as well by creating something really uncontrollable.
The one thing that really gets under my skin are corporations that act like they are trying to altruistically solve the world's food problems with their latest and greatest tech but really its all about lining their pockets and selling more poison or some tepid attempt at circumventing nature into their profit margin.11 -
Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.5 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html9 -
Millicent3015 wrote: »Food insecurity is for the most part the results of capitalism. There's more than enough food to feed the planet, but since most of us don't have the means to grow or rear our own, we have to rely on the food producers, which are increasingly multinationals who set their own prices and will happily destroy or hoard food to keep profit margins high. We have food mountains that could keep millions of people alive, but companies won't release their surplus because it will drive prices down, and they're in business to make profit, not feed people for free. Veganism won't solve world hunger. Plants take up a lot of land and gargantuan amounts of water. If you don't have enough water to irrigate enough crops to feed people, or the soil is too poor to support crops, you have to pay for crops to be brought in. If you're living at a subsistence level you may not have that option. Then it may be more sustainable to feed what little crops you have to your animals and use them for meat, which in that instance would be a more nutritious food source. Food insecurity will only be resolved once everyone has ready access to all food at all times. If that sharing model isn't implemented, it doesn't matter if plant based eating becomes the default. There would still be people who could never be able to do it.
Capitalism has brought us our current obesity epidemic... food insecurity across the globe is largely due to socialism/communism and corrupt third world governments.
Would you rather have the food options of the United States or Venezuela? South Korea or North Korea?
Also there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
But I'm sure it's just because we just haven't done socialism right yet...6 -
bennettinfinity wrote: »Millicent3015 wrote: »Food insecurity is for the most part the results of capitalism. There's more than enough food to feed the planet, but since most of us don't have the means to grow or rear our own, we have to rely on the food producers, which are increasingly multinationals who set their own prices and will happily destroy or hoard food to keep profit margins high. We have food mountains that could keep millions of people alive, but companies won't release their surplus because it will drive prices down, and they're in business to make profit, not feed people for free. Veganism won't solve world hunger. Plants take up a lot of land and gargantuan amounts of water. If you don't have enough water to irrigate enough crops to feed people, or the soil is too poor to support crops, you have to pay for crops to be brought in. If you're living at a subsistence level you may not have that option. Then it may be more sustainable to feed what little crops you have to your animals and use them for meat, which in that instance would be a more nutritious food source. Food insecurity will only be resolved once everyone has ready access to all food at all times. If that sharing model isn't implemented, it doesn't matter if plant based eating becomes the default. There would still be people who could never be able to do it.
Capitalism has brought us our current obesity epidemic... food insecurity across the globe is largely due to socialism/communism and corrupt third world governments.
Would you rather have the food options of the United States or Venezuela? South Korea or North Korea?
Also there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
But I'm sure it's just because we just haven't done socialism right yet...
That's always the line they're selling. They keep forgeting that humans are going to human.
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So many people wanted sources, I gave them, then everyone leaves the thread. MK.12
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?9 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.4 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html7 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.4 -
singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html8 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
It says Kenya's obesity rate is nearly 1 in 10 people. That's way lower than developed countries.7 -
singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
It says Kenya's obesity rate is 1 in 10 people. That's way lower than developed countries.
This is my original statement mentioning Africa:
"Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa."
This is a direct quote:
"In Kenya, and Across Africa, an Unexpected Epidemic: Obesity"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
7 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
It says Kenya's obesity rate is 1 in 10 people. That's way lower than developed countries.
This is my original statement mentioning Africa:
"Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa."
This is a direct quote:
"In Kenya, and Across Africa, an Unexpected Epidemic: Obesity"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
"Kenya’s obesity rate, which is close to one in 10 people, is still far below industrialized countries like the United States (where more than one-third of adults are obese)."6 -
singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
It says Kenya's obesity rate is 1 in 10 people. That's way lower than developed countries.
This is my original statement mentioning Africa:
"Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa."
This is a direct quote:
"In Kenya, and Across Africa, an Unexpected Epidemic: Obesity"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
"Kenya’s obesity rate, which is close to one in 10 people, is still far below industrialized countries like the United States (where more than one-third of adults are obese)."
Does not negate the fact that there is an obesity crisis in Africa.10 -
Please note that I have yet to state an opinion.
I have merely stated facts. Facts that are supported, near word for word, in documents from credible sources.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Please note that I have yet to state an opinion.
I have merely stated facts. Facts that are supported, near word for word, in documents from credible sources.
You conveniently omitted that a 1400% increase = less than 1 in 10 because big numbers make it sound scarier.7 -
singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Please note that I have yet to state an opinion.
I have merely stated facts. Facts that are supported, near word for word, in documents from credible sources.
You conveniently omitted that a 1400% increase = less than 1 in 10 because big numbers make it sound scarier.
There was no convenience or omittance. I quoted an article.6 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Please note that I have yet to state an opinion.
I have merely stated facts. Facts that are supported, near word for word, in documents from credible sources.
You conveniently omitted that a 1400% increase = less than 1 in 10 because big numbers make it sound scarier.
There was no convenience or omittance. I quoted an article.
NY Times is not reputable, they will do anything to make money. Click bait.7 -
Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
*shrug
we'll figure it out.... especially if there's money to be made in the solution.4 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Please note that I have yet to state an opinion.
I have merely stated facts. Facts that are supported, near word for word, in documents from credible sources.
You conveniently omitted that a 1400% increase = less than 1 in 10 because big numbers make it sound scarier.
There was no convenience or omittance. I quoted an article.
NY Times is not reputable, they will do anything to make money. Click bait.
Sigh.
From Fox News:
"The number of obese or overweight children has risen by 10 million worldwide since 1990 and there are now more overweight and obese children in low- and middle-income countries than in high-income countries, the WHO said."
"Almost half of overweight and obese children under five live in Asia and 25 percent in Africa, where the number of overweight children almost doubled to 10.3 million in 2014 from 5.4 million in 1990, the WHO said."
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/01/25/number-obese-and-overweight-children-under-five-alarming-who-says.html
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Not the starving people in Sudan. You must mean the North and South Africa. So, not all Africa. I’m done.2
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L1zardQueen wrote: »Not the starving people in Sudan. You must mean the North and South Africa. So, not all Africa. I’m done.
Ok.7 -
Lol at the NYT, Fox News and the Daily Fail as sources!5
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Please note that I have yet to state an opinion.
I have merely stated facts. Facts that are supported, near word for word, in documents from credible sources.
You conveniently omitted that a 1400% increase = less than 1 in 10 because big numbers make it sound scarier.
There was no convenience or omittance. I quoted an article.
NY Times is not reputable, they will do anything to make money. Click bait.
Sigh.
From Fox News:
"The number of obese or overweight children has risen by 10 million worldwide since 1990 and there are now more overweight and obese children in low- and middle-income countries than in high-income countries, the WHO said."
"Almost half of overweight and obese children under five live in Asia and 25 percent in Africa, where the number of overweight children almost doubled to 10.3 million in 2014 from 5.4 million in 1990, the WHO said."
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/01/25/number-obese-and-overweight-children-under-five-alarming-who-says.html
Fox News? You need to vet your sources.
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Lol at the NYT, Fox News and the Daily Fail as sources!singingflutelady wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Please note that I have yet to state an opinion.
I have merely stated facts. Facts that are supported, near word for word, in documents from credible sources.
You conveniently omitted that a 1400% increase = less than 1 in 10 because big numbers make it sound scarier.
There was no convenience or omittance. I quoted an article.
NY Times is not reputable, they will do anything to make money. Click bait.
Sigh.
From Fox News:
"The number of obese or overweight children has risen by 10 million worldwide since 1990 and there are now more overweight and obese children in low- and middle-income countries than in high-income countries, the WHO said."
"Almost half of overweight and obese children under five live in Asia and 25 percent in Africa, where the number of overweight children almost doubled to 10.3 million in 2014 from 5.4 million in 1990, the WHO said."
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/01/25/number-obese-and-overweight-children-under-five-alarming-who-says.html
Fox News? You need to vet your sources.
From the World Health Organization:
"In 2016, an estimated 41 million children under the age of 5 years were overweight or obese. Once considered a high-income country problem, overweight and obesity are now on the rise in low- and middle-income countries, particularly in urban settings. In Africa, the number of overweight children under 5 has increased by nearly 50 per cent since 2000."
http://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and-overweight5 -
From the National US Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health:
"The prevalence of overweight and obese individuals in Nigeria is of epidemic proportions. There is a need to pay closer attention to combating these health disorders."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3556860/
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