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Food Supply & Human Future
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?
Thank you.
What was that Socrates said about debates and insults?
I dont know...did he say that if you are trying to convince an audience of your point of view and they expressed skepticism of your claims that the best thing to do was not to ask them why they were skeptical and then respectfully respond to their concerns by tailoring your communicative style and points to address their points...no, the best thing to do to convince the audience was to baulk at the criticism and blame the audience for simply not understanding how clearly right you are despite your flawless evidence and perfect delivery?
Is that what he said?
Aaron, are you lecturing me about respect when you were the one to ask me if I wanted cheese with the whining?
Sounds like thee ought to take thine own advice, sir.
I dont know...I'm pretty sure I am taking into account the audience in the way I phrase my response.
Your intent appears to be convincing the audience of your point of view....my intent was to give the audience a bit of a chuckle and cathartic release. Not sure I am the one failing my goals here.
Don't assume on my intent.
You're pretty.
Awww I'm pretty? Thank you!
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?
Thank you.
What was that Socrates said about debates and insults?
I dont know...did he say that if you are trying to convince an audience of your point of view and they expressed skepticism of your claims that the best thing to do was not to ask them why they were skeptical and then respectfully respond to their concerns by tailoring your communicative style and points to address their points...no, the best thing to do to convince the audience was to baulk at the criticism and blame the audience for simply not understanding how clearly right you are despite your flawless evidence and perfect delivery?
Is that what he said?
Aaron, are you lecturing me about respect when you were the one to ask me if I wanted cheese with the whining?
Sounds like thee ought to take thine own advice, sir.
I dont know...I'm pretty sure I am taking into account the audience in the way I phrase my response.
Your intent appears to be convincing the audience of your point of view....my intent was to give the audience a bit of a chuckle and cathartic release. Not sure I am the one failing my goals here.
Don't assume on my intent.
You're pretty.
Awww I'm pretty? Thank you!
Woo.
You mean that in the woo-hoo sense, yes?1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »You mean that in the woo-hoo sense, yes?snickerscharlie wrote: »You are certainly free to take it any way you choose. Doesn't automatically make it so, though.2
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...Animals are a renewable food source. They reproduce. They also provide renewable food sources on their own, such as chickens/eggs.
I don't see any moral superiority or documented health improvements from a vegan/vegetarian diet. I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what somebody chooses, but "morality" in this sense is a subjective individual decision. Any diet is as "healthy" or "unhealthy" as somebody chooses to make it.
LOL. Animals eat plants, though. Don't you have to feed the animals before you can eat them? It takes a lot of plants to convert energy into animals. You could cut out the middle-man (animals) and just eat the plants yourself for better efficiency. (I'm not a vegetarian, I'm just sayin...in this hypothetical future, if there aren't enough plants to feed the people, why would there be enough plants to feed the animals to feed the people?)
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...Animals are a renewable food source. They reproduce. They also provide renewable food sources on their own, such as chickens/eggs.
I don't see any moral superiority or documented health improvements from a vegan/vegetarian diet. I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what somebody chooses, but "morality" in this sense is a subjective individual decision. Any diet is as "healthy" or "unhealthy" as somebody chooses to make it.
LOL. Animals eat plants, though. Don't you have to feed the animals before you can eat them? It takes a lot of plants to convert energy into animals. You could cut out the middle-man (animals) and just eat the plants yourself for better efficiency. (I'm not a vegetarian, I'm just sayin...in this hypothetical future, if there aren't enough plants to feed the people, why would there be enough plants to feed the animals to feed the people?)
I'll have a McKelp Burger, please.
...... but yeah, the logical alternative is to eat lower on the food chain, right?
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...Animals are a renewable food source. They reproduce. They also provide renewable food sources on their own, such as chickens/eggs.
I don't see any moral superiority or documented health improvements from a vegan/vegetarian diet. I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what somebody chooses, but "morality" in this sense is a subjective individual decision. Any diet is as "healthy" or "unhealthy" as somebody chooses to make it.
LOL. Animals eat plants, though. Don't you have to feed the animals before you can eat them? It takes a lot of plants to convert energy into animals. You could cut out the middle-man (animals) and just eat the plants yourself for better efficiency. (I'm not a vegetarian, I'm just sayin...in this hypothetical future, if there aren't enough plants to feed the people, why would there be enough plants to feed the animals to feed the people?)
Don't free-range chickens eat grass, bugs and worms? They can have it. All of it.
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Motorsheen wrote: »SurfyPantsAgainAgain wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Insects are the answer.
I don't know if they are the answer but they will definitely be a part of our diet. They already are in some countries. Water is the resource we ought to be concerned about. This resource is priceless and vital to our food supplies.
If we run outta water.... I'm not worried; I'll just drink Lemonade.
No Gatorade, it's full of electrolytes!0 -
Goodness gracious.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/socrates-debate-lost-slander-loser/
I agree that obesity is an emerging issue in Africa, probably tagging along with prosperity and food security.
Check the etymology of quotes. All kinds of words are put in Einstein’s mouth as he is nearly universally believable. It makes sense that Socrates is misquoted too.
Snopes is good.
https://www.etymonline.com
If I see a claim in Wikipedia I also check the quoted sources.
Google scholar is good.
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I'm dead, cause I'm not eating bugs
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L1zardQueen wrote: »
Lol.. yep.. but I meant bugs like crickets, ants, etc
I saw a can of chocolate coated ants once *shudder*
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L1zardQueen wrote: »
I hear crabs are the devil.1 -
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slimgirljo15 wrote: »
Is that why so many people are trying to avoid them nowadays?1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »
Is that why so many people are trying to avoid them nowadays?
I guess..
They might be tasty though.
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slimgirljo15 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »
Is that why so many people are trying to avoid them nowadays?
I guess..
They might be tasty though.
Why is he smiling? Ouch2 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »
Is that why so many people are trying to avoid them nowadays?
I guess..
They might be tasty though.
Why is he smiling? Ouch
Alcohol?8 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »I'm dead, cause I'm not eating bugs
I can tell by your statement that you have never been to Oaxaca and had Chapulines (grasshoppers cooked on a comal with chile seasonings). Chapuline tacos are to die for!! And a great source of lean protein to boot.
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Motorsheen wrote: »SurfyPantsAgainAgain wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Insects are the answer.
I don't know if they are the answer but they will definitely be a part of our diet. They already are in some countries. Water is the resource we ought to be concerned about. This resource is priceless and vital to our food supplies.
If we run outta water.... I'm not worried; I'll just drink Lemonade.
No Gatorade, it's full of electrolytes!
No, Brawndo
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snickerscharlie wrote: »...Animals are a renewable food source. They reproduce. They also provide renewable food sources on their own, such as chickens/eggs.
I don't see any moral superiority or documented health improvements from a vegan/vegetarian diet. I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what somebody chooses, but "morality" in this sense is a subjective individual decision. Any diet is as "healthy" or "unhealthy" as somebody chooses to make it.
LOL. Animals eat plants, though. Don't you have to feed the animals before you can eat them? It takes a lot of plants to convert energy into animals. You could cut out the middle-man (animals) and just eat the plants yourself for better efficiency. (I'm not a vegetarian, I'm just sayin...in this hypothetical future, if there aren't enough plants to feed the people, why would there be enough plants to feed the animals to feed the people?)
Don't free-range chickens eat grass, bugs and worms? They can have it. All of it.
Even free range chickens' diets are generally supplemented with chicken feed, at least those that are raised for egg production. Without supplementation, egg production declines. You also get scrawnier chickens. Takes quite a bit of "range," depending on the local environment, for chickens to forage on wild vegetation and bugs alone. Chickens can be totally free range, though. They just need plenty of space if they are competing with other chickens. It would take several tens of billions of chickens to support the diets of 10+ billion meat-loving humans. Free ranging that many would be...a challenge? Rats might be a better choice, but you'd still need to feed them.
(The typical hen needs about 4 pounds of chicken feed to produce 12 eggs. Wild fowl don't produce as many as domesticated because nature isn't that easy.
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I just thought: can you imagine the population explosion if every family was like the Duggars and every couple produced dozens of offspring? Yikes! It wouldn't take long before we were *kittens to elbows up in here! Imagine feeding that!
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snickerscharlie wrote: »...Animals are a renewable food source. They reproduce. They also provide renewable food sources on their own, such as chickens/eggs.
I don't see any moral superiority or documented health improvements from a vegan/vegetarian diet. I don't see anything wrong with it if that's what somebody chooses, but "morality" in this sense is a subjective individual decision. Any diet is as "healthy" or "unhealthy" as somebody chooses to make it.
LOL. Animals eat plants, though. Don't you have to feed the animals before you can eat them? It takes a lot of plants to convert energy into animals. You could cut out the middle-man (animals) and just eat the plants yourself for better efficiency. (I'm not a vegetarian, I'm just sayin...in this hypothetical future, if there aren't enough plants to feed the people, why would there be enough plants to feed the animals to feed the people?)
Don't free-range chickens eat grass, bugs and worms? They can have it. All of it.
Yes, but it requires much more land to free-range a chicken than it does to grow soy and corn to feed it while you restrict its movement to a space barely larger than it's own body, because each square foot of pastureland contains far fewer usable calories for the chicken than a square foot of land growing feed crops. Chickens, cattle, goats, and pigs raised free range are great for times and places when the land, topography, and rainfall isn't conducive to intensive farming, or during pre-industrial periods if labor isn't available for intensive farming of available land, or in cultures that haven't developed the growing of crops.1 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »I'm dead, cause I'm not eating bugs
I can tell by your statement that you have never been to Oaxaca and had Chapulines (grasshoppers cooked on a comal with chile seasonings). Chapuline tacos are to die for!! And a great source of lean protein to boot.
Uhh sounds delicious, but I'll pass 2 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »I'm dead, cause I'm not eating bugs
I can tell by your statement that you have never been to Oaxaca and had Chapulines (grasshoppers cooked on a comal with chile seasonings). Chapuline tacos are to die for!! And a great source of lean protein to boot.
I've had roasted crickets with lime and salt. Not bad, but somehow didn't make the cut as part of my everyday diet.2 -
I have had escargot. Not bad either.2
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L1zardQueen wrote: »I have had escargot. Not bad either.
I actually like escargot, and I'm the world's pickiest eater. Seriously, there's all kinds of things I wont eat because of texture or taste, or even smell, or because I know what it's made from even if I like the taste, but I'll eat snails.
Sometimes my life doesnt make any sense.2 -
As far as population goes, I think the tipping point for natural correction will be unstoppable pandemics when the density becomes too great to isolate healthy people from sick.
If you include all sources of nourishment and advances in food production technology, we can provide basic nutrition for whatever number the population grows to before it implodes from sheer numbers.0
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