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Motorsheen wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
*shrug
we'll figure it out.... especially if there's money to be made in the solution.
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We're at 7 billion people now. There are enough calories available now to keep all of us alive and many of us overweight. At the rate we grow population, there's no substantial barrier to a steadily increasing ag yield. The problem of local starvation now, and in future, will always be a governmental failure. Examples of this are presently in Venezuela, North Korea, and Yemen.9
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
It says Kenya's obesity rate is 1 in 10 people. That's way lower than developed countries.
This is my original statement mentioning Africa:
"Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa."
This is a direct quote:
"In Kenya, and Across Africa, an Unexpected Epidemic: Obesity"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
"Kenya’s obesity rate, which is close to one in 10 people, is still far below industrialized countries like the United States (where more than one-third of adults are obese)."
Does not negate the fact that there is an obesity crisis in Africa.
Less than one in ten is nowhere near a crisis.5 -
johnslater461 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
It says Kenya's obesity rate is 1 in 10 people. That's way lower than developed countries.
This is my original statement mentioning Africa:
"Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa."
This is a direct quote:
"In Kenya, and Across Africa, an Unexpected Epidemic: Obesity"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
"Kenya’s obesity rate, which is close to one in 10 people, is still far below industrialized countries like the United States (where more than one-third of adults are obese)."
Does not negate the fact that there is an obesity crisis in Africa.
Less than one in ten is nowhere near a crisis.
As long as you know that you are not disagreeing with a stranger's opinion on a message board, but with the World Health Organization.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
It says Kenya's obesity rate is 1 in 10 people. That's way lower than developed countries.
This is my original statement mentioning Africa:
"Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa."
This is a direct quote:
"In Kenya, and Across Africa, an Unexpected Epidemic: Obesity"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
"Kenya’s obesity rate, which is close to one in 10 people, is still far below industrialized countries like the United States (where more than one-third of adults are obese)."
Does not negate the fact that there is an obesity crisis in Africa.
Less than one in ten is nowhere near a crisis.
As long as you know that you are not disagreeing with a stranger's opinion on a message board, but with the World Health Organization.
Didn't see where the WHO used the word 'crisis.' That was your addition and your opinion.8 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
Exactly. Lots of countries in Africa that don't have an obesity problem.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.
"Obesity rates in sub-Saharan Africa are shooting up faster than in just about anywhere else in the world, causing a public health crisis that is catching Africa, and the world, by surprise.
In Burkina Faso, the prevalence of adult obesity in the past 36 years has jumped nearly 1,400 percent. In Ghana, Togo, Ethiopia and Benin, it has increased by more than 500 percent. Eight of the 20 nations in the world with the fastest-rising rates of adult obesity are in Africa, according to a recent study by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
It says Kenya's obesity rate is 1 in 10 people. That's way lower than developed countries.
This is my original statement mentioning Africa:
"Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa."
This is a direct quote:
"In Kenya, and Across Africa, an Unexpected Epidemic: Obesity"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html
"Kenya’s obesity rate, which is close to one in 10 people, is still far below industrialized countries like the United States (where more than one-third of adults are obese)."
Does not negate the fact that there is an obesity crisis in Africa.
Less than one in ten is nowhere near a crisis.
As long as you know that you are not disagreeing with a stranger's opinion on a message board, but with the World Health Organization.
Didn't see where the WHO used the word 'crisis.' That was your addition and your opinion.
National Institutes of Health called it an epidemic. Would you have prefered I used the word epidemic?
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This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference3
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SurfyPantsAgainAgain wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Insects are the answer.
I don't know if they are the answer but they will definitely be a part of our diet. They already are in some countries. Water is the resource we ought to be concerned about. This resource is priceless and vital to our food supplies.
If we run outta water.... I'm not worried; I'll just drink Lemonade.4 -
Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
You are certainly free to take it any way you choose. Doesn't automatically make it so, though.4 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?9 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?
Thank you.
What was that Socrates said about debates and insults?
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?
Thank you.
What was that Socrates said about debates and insults?
So you're going to claim slander, now? That's a wee bit over the top, I think.
And slander is verbal, anyway.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?
Thank you.
What was that Socrates said about debates and insults?
So you're going to claim slander, now? That's a wee bit over the top, I think.
And slander is verbal, anyway.
Kind of like the responses to simple facts, easily checkable and backed up by the National Institutes of Health, the WHO organization, many doctors and so many, many (many) news sources.
Have a nice evening.
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SurfyPantsAgainAgain wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Insects are the answer.
I don't know if they are the answer but they will definitely be a part of our diet. They already are in some countries. Water is the resource we ought to be concerned about. This resource is priceless and vital to our food supplies.
If we can use CRISPR to create glutinous cockroaches we'll have it all solved.4 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?
Thank you.
What was that Socrates said about debates and insults?
So you're going to claim slander, now? That's a wee bit over the top, I think.
And slander is verbal, anyway.
Kind of like the responses to simple facts, easily checkable and backed up by the National Institutes of Health, the WHO organization, many doctors and so many, many (many) news sources.
Have a nice evening.
LOL3 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?
Thank you.
What was that Socrates said about debates and insults?
So you're going to claim slander, now? That's a wee bit over the top, I think.
And slander is verbal, anyway.
Kind of like the responses to simple facts, easily checkable and backed up by the National Institutes of Health, the WHO organization, many doctors and so many, many (many) news sources.
Have a nice evening.
LOL
Woo.
4 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Keto_Vampire wrote: »This is turning into a good old Sean Spicer press conference
People can use their eyes - the articles say exactly what I'm saying. But people want to believe what they want, I guess. This is what the "debate" sounded like on my end:
That's not a fact, you have no sources!
Here are some sources.
Those are from RICH countries!
Here's some sources about the poorer countries.
I don't like your sources!
Here are some other sources.
You conflated the numbers!
I quoted numbers that were stated from these sources.
I don't like those sources either, because politics!
Here's the story from a source from the opposite political spectrum.
I don't like those sources either!
Here are some other sources, straight from the people who study this for world leaders.
Your word choice is off!
I just quoted the words used by the sources.
Woo.
Which I take to mean, they know they've lost the argument and are expressing their displeasure at it. Because you can't say it's false when so many leading health organizations and news outlets are saying the exact same thing.
Geez....you want some cheese to go with all of that whine?
Thank you.
What was that Socrates said about debates and insults?
I dont know...did he say that if you are trying to convince an audience of your point of view and they expressed skepticism of your claims that the best thing to do was not to ask them why they were skeptical and then respectfully respond to their concerns by tailoring your communicative style and points to address their points...no, the best thing to do to convince the audience was to baulk at the criticism and blame the audience for simply not understanding how clearly right you are despite your flawless evidence and perfect delivery?
Is that what he said?9 -
Goodness gracious.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/socrates-debate-lost-slander-loser/
I agree that obesity is an emerging issue in Africa, probably tagging along with prosperity and food security.
Check the etymology of quotes. All kinds of words are put in Einstein’s mouth as he is nearly universally believable. It makes sense that Socrates is misquoted too.
Snopes is good.
https://www.etymonline.com
If I see a claim in Wikipedia I also check the quoted sources.
Google scholar is good.4
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