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We're also helping, to preserve land for farming & thus our existence by building up rather than out, transforming flat roofs into gardens & cremation or donation, rather than the burial of our dead!0
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Peak population is not that far away. I think I’ll see it before I die.
Vertical gardens.
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/china-to-get-vertical-gardens-in-2018-to-help-tackle-smog/
We were supposed to run out of food and fossil fuels a long time ago. I started seeing these predictions since the seventies.
What happened? The green revolution.
Farming looks quite a bit different than from my childhood, and it continues to be more sustainable and efficient.2 -
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Millicent3015 wrote: »Food insecurity is for the most part the results of capitalism.
In many countries, food insecurity is due to oppressive authoritarian regimes that divert even international humanitarian food donations.There's more than enough food to feed the planet, but since most of us don't have the means to grow or rear our own, we have to rely on the food producers, which are increasingly multinationals who set their own prices and will happily destroy or hoard food to keep profit margins high. We have food mountains that could keep millions of people alive, but companies won't release their surplus because it will drive prices down, and they're in business to make profit, not feed people for free. Veganism won't solve world hunger. Plants take up a lot of land and gargantuan amounts of water.
What do you think the animals you eat live on? Plants that "take up a lot of land and gargantuan amounts of water." If we eliminate the current modern approaches to raising animals on relatively small amounts of lands by feeding them corn, soy, and wheat that humans grow, and put them back to pasture on the plants that naturally grown on unirrigated land (and insects living there, in the case of chickens), it will take even more land for each pound of animal protein you eat.
And no, I'm not vegan.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?17 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.8 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.4 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/8 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.
Just a quote from one of the sources I listed above:
"The number of obese or overweight people in developing countries rose from 250 million to almost 1 billion in under three decades, and these rates are rising significantly faster than in rich nations.
South Africa typifies this alarming new trend, with nearly double the average global obesity rates, and according to another report has become the world’s third fattest nation. Nearly two-thirds of the population is overweight and, unlike in the developed world, the problem afflicts more women than men. Incredibly, 69.3% of South African females display unhealthy levels of body fat and more than four in 10 are clinically obese (defined as having a BMI higher than 30)."6 -
We are one fart, sneeze, or bird poo landing in the wrong place from a global pandemic that we won't be able to get ahead of. It's happened before and it will happen again, just like wars, natural disasters, and a myriad of other things that can tip the balance of the human population on Earth. Science and technology might be able to keep some of it at bay but in that same train of thought it could be part of the problem rather than the solution as well by creating something really uncontrollable.
The one thing that really gets under my skin are corporations that act like they are trying to altruistically solve the world's food problems with their latest and greatest tech but really its all about lining their pockets and selling more poison or some tepid attempt at circumventing nature into their profit margin.11 -
Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.5 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html9 -
Millicent3015 wrote: »Food insecurity is for the most part the results of capitalism. There's more than enough food to feed the planet, but since most of us don't have the means to grow or rear our own, we have to rely on the food producers, which are increasingly multinationals who set their own prices and will happily destroy or hoard food to keep profit margins high. We have food mountains that could keep millions of people alive, but companies won't release their surplus because it will drive prices down, and they're in business to make profit, not feed people for free. Veganism won't solve world hunger. Plants take up a lot of land and gargantuan amounts of water. If you don't have enough water to irrigate enough crops to feed people, or the soil is too poor to support crops, you have to pay for crops to be brought in. If you're living at a subsistence level you may not have that option. Then it may be more sustainable to feed what little crops you have to your animals and use them for meat, which in that instance would be a more nutritious food source. Food insecurity will only be resolved once everyone has ready access to all food at all times. If that sharing model isn't implemented, it doesn't matter if plant based eating becomes the default. There would still be people who could never be able to do it.
Capitalism has brought us our current obesity epidemic... food insecurity across the globe is largely due to socialism/communism and corrupt third world governments.
Would you rather have the food options of the United States or Venezuela? South Korea or North Korea?
Also there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
But I'm sure it's just because we just haven't done socialism right yet...6 -
bennettinfinity wrote: »Millicent3015 wrote: »Food insecurity is for the most part the results of capitalism. There's more than enough food to feed the planet, but since most of us don't have the means to grow or rear our own, we have to rely on the food producers, which are increasingly multinationals who set their own prices and will happily destroy or hoard food to keep profit margins high. We have food mountains that could keep millions of people alive, but companies won't release their surplus because it will drive prices down, and they're in business to make profit, not feed people for free. Veganism won't solve world hunger. Plants take up a lot of land and gargantuan amounts of water. If you don't have enough water to irrigate enough crops to feed people, or the soil is too poor to support crops, you have to pay for crops to be brought in. If you're living at a subsistence level you may not have that option. Then it may be more sustainable to feed what little crops you have to your animals and use them for meat, which in that instance would be a more nutritious food source. Food insecurity will only be resolved once everyone has ready access to all food at all times. If that sharing model isn't implemented, it doesn't matter if plant based eating becomes the default. There would still be people who could never be able to do it.
Capitalism has brought us our current obesity epidemic... food insecurity across the globe is largely due to socialism/communism and corrupt third world governments.
Would you rather have the food options of the United States or Venezuela? South Korea or North Korea?
Also there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
But I'm sure it's just because we just haven't done socialism right yet...
That's always the line they're selling. They keep forgeting that humans are going to human.
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So many people wanted sources, I gave them, then everyone leaves the thread. MK.12
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?9 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Another fact to consider. New land mass on Earth was created this summer. Within a decade, it is probable that life will be thriving there.
Land masses are created and destroyed on this planet just about every day... it's a very natural process. It is also a very slow process and the amount of land that is either created or destroyed is insignificant when compared to the amount of land that is currently in use.
Exactly, and there is already a lot more land for people to live. According to NASA, most people live on 1% of the Earth's land. Other studies are at 10%.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3389041/Where-world-lives-Map-shows-half-planet-s-population-lives-just-1-land.html
Are you saying the daily mail is one of your sources of info?
Sigh.100_PROOF_ wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
I'd also like to see the research on the obesity epidemic in Africa.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Hey MFP,
Let's also discuss this topic casually,
Given our rapid reproductive growth as a society and it's projection to hit over 10 billion population in "x" ammount of time, and the rate of deforestation and the slaughter of animals and the vicious cycle that society is handcuffed too, does food run out at some point?
It's a finite world we live in.
It's like that movie Infinity Wars where Thanos has to kill 50% of the universe so that the rest can continue to live.
Or like INTERSTELLAR where food sources stop growing completely and all that's left was corn
Although unrealistic .... food security may not be a concern for our generations but certainly in the years to come given our patterns of consumption will become an inevitability. Does the younger generations then realize the mistakes of our forefathers and transition gradually into more plant based nutrition sources and divert more towards reinforcing our agricultural industries (we are already seeing a growing movement towards vegan and vegetarian diets based primarily for morality but also couple with health benefits)
I myself eat both (plant and animal) but the question does make you think about it.
What are your thoughts about food scarcity
Many years ago, governments charged food scientists with the task of making calorie dense foods full of preservatives for the reason you stated.
Now we deal with an obesity epidemic in places like Africa.
Extreme poverty worldwide has been reduced 50%. It took 5 years, once the UN determined it was one of their goals.
For all the negativity about pesticides, non-organic farming produces larger yields, which is why they did it in the first instance.
There are two things to consider that isn't directly related, but may give some insight:
Chernobyl and glass beach, North Carolina.
After the nuclear disaster in Chernobyl, the unihabitable land is thriving with wildlife 30 years later.
In North Carolina, a polluted beach that was a garbage dump had a clean up effort - the large applicances were removed, but the broken glass remained. The surf has smoothed over the glass over the years, turning it into jewlery quality stones covering the beach and creating a colorful landscape in the water which has attracted a large number of fish who now make glass beach their home. It is so beautiful, it is now a tourist attraction.
Three woos, and all I did was present facts. People don't like facts?
Even wonderful facts like the reduction in extreme poverty?
What is wrong with people?
Facts? Back your facts up. Start with the obesity crisis in Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/obesity-africas-new-crisis
https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/obesity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721807/
You said Africa, not North Africa or South Africa. Both of these area are affluent.4
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