Clean Eating: no processed/refined foods, no high sugar/fat foods, or no foods with dirt on them?
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The MFP way is a simpler way. A calorie deficit is all you need, and it doesn't matter what type of foods you use in getting there.
It seems you may have a pronoun usage problem. While it may not matter what types of foods YOU eat it does matter very much what types of foods that I eat.
You are free to speak for your case but not are not free to tell others what may or may not work in their case since you do not know in their case.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »The MFP way is a simpler way. A calorie deficit is all you need, and it doesn't matter what type of foods you use in getting there.
It seems you may have a pronoun usage problem. While it may not matter what types of foods YOU eat it does matter very much what types of foods that I eat.
You are free to speak for your case but not are not free to tell others what may or may not work in their case since you do not know in their case.
He's free to say whatever he wants, even if he was incorrect (he isn't)
If there was a policy against misinformation, there would be several members that would have been banned years ago.10 -
johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The MFP way is a simpler way. A calorie deficit is all you need, and it doesn't matter what type of foods you use in getting there.
It seems you may have a pronoun usage problem. While it may not matter what types of foods YOU eat it does matter very much what types of foods that I eat.
You are free to speak for your case but not are not free to tell others what may or may not work in their case since you do not know in their case.
He's free to say whatever he wants, even if he was incorrect (he isn't)
If there was a policy against misinformation, there would be several members that would have been banned years ago.
Ok if that is MFP policy about misinformation. After 40 years in my case the results is very clear that the type of food I eat does increase or decrease my pain levels. The foods that increase my pain level also increase my weight levels and foods that lower my pain level for some reason leads to unplanned weight loss per my medical records.10 -
I think that @GaleHawkins may have meant "You... ...are not are not free to tell others what may or may not work in their case..." without repercussions - such as being questioned, challenged, or even informed that you were mistaken in your assumptions.johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The MFP way is a simpler way. A calorie deficit is all you need, and it doesn't matter what type of foods you use in getting there.
It seems you may have a pronoun usage problem. While it may not matter what types of foods YOU eat it does matter very much what types of foods that I eat.
You are free to speak for your case but not are not free to tell others what may or may not work in their case since you do not know in their case.
He's free to say whatever he wants, even if he was incorrect (he isn't)
If there was a policy against misinformation, there would be several members that would have been banned years ago.
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The MFP way is a simpler way. A calorie deficit is all you need, and it doesn't matter what type of foods you use in getting there.
It's difficult to say whether @TonyB0588 is correct or not, since he didn't say what it was that a calorie deficit was all that one needed for, or where it didn't matter what type of food one used in getting to.johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The MFP way is a simpler way. A calorie deficit is all you need, and it doesn't matter what type of foods you use in getting there.
It seems you may have a pronoun usage problem. While it may not matter what types of foods YOU eat it does matter very much what types of foods that I eat.
You are free to speak for your case but not are not free to tell others what may or may not work in their case since you do not know in their case.
He's free to say whatever he wants, even if he was incorrect (he isn't)
If there was a policy against misinformation, there would be several members that would have been banned years ago.
For instance, if one were trying to build a gingerbread house, TonyB0588 would be incorrect in both cases.
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Well, yes, building a gingerbread house with , say, lettuce and carrots would be tricky.
I somehow assumed he meant all you need for weight loss though, since, you know, that was the discussion topic.
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TheFlyOnTheWall wrote: »I'm baffled by those that complain they are not losing weight despite "eating clean" - as if that is the only thing they need to do
I eat what tastes good - clean or dirty, I don't care
That's because they're eating too many calories of that "clean" food, or burning too little calories in exercise activity. You still need a calorie deficit no matter what the food is.1 -
Where did @TonyB0588 say anything about food and pain levels? He was talking about a calorie deficit, and, in all likelihood, weight loss.GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The MFP way is a simpler way. A calorie deficit is all you need, and it doesn't matter what type of foods you use in getting there.
It seems you may have a pronoun usage problem. While it may not matter what types of foods YOU eat it does matter very much what types of foods that I eat.
You are free to speak for your case but not are not free to tell others what may or may not work in their case since you do not know in their case.
He's free to say whatever he wants, even if he was incorrect (he isn't)
If there was a policy against misinformation, there would be several members that would have been banned years ago.
Ok if that is MFP policy about misinformation. After 40 years in my case the results is very clear that the type of food I eat does increase or decrease my pain levels.
Weight gain/loss is due to calorie surplus/deficit, not the specific type of food. So based on this statement your pain levels may be due to weight loss/gain and not the type of food.The foods that increase my pain level also increase my weight levels and foods that lower my pain level for some reason leads to unplanned weight loss per my medical records.
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Where did @TonyB0588 say anything about food and pain levels? He was talking about a calorie deficit, and, in all likelihood, weight loss.GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The MFP way is a simpler way. A calorie deficit is all you need, and it doesn't matter what type of foods you use in getting there.
It seems you may have a pronoun usage problem. While it may not matter what types of foods YOU eat it does matter very much what types of foods that I eat.
You are free to speak for your case but not are not free to tell others what may or may not work in their case since you do not know in their case.
He's free to say whatever he wants, even if he was incorrect (he isn't)
If there was a policy against misinformation, there would be several members that would have been banned years ago.
Ok if that is MFP policy about misinformation. After 40 years in my case the results is very clear that the type of food I eat does increase or decrease my pain levels.
Weight gain/loss is due to calorie surplus/deficit, not the specific type of food. So based on this statement your pain levels may be due to weight loss/gain and not the type of food.The foods that increase my pain level also increase my weight levels and foods that lower my pain level for some reason leads to unplanned weight loss per my medical records.
I think what he is saying is he is eating keto or LCHF which can be a anti inflammatory diet for some. So if he started eating more carbs he would likely end up gaining both weight and pain. I could be wrong but I think I have seen him in the LCHF group.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding eating plan.
eat to round about your calorie allowance
eat a reasonably nutritionally balanced diet
Include food you like
Do not include foods you do not like.
Hmmm, needs a catchy name or some sort of upgrade before becoming a marketable product
You could make it all sciency sounding.
Consume your daily caloric needs to withing 10% of scientifically generated standardized weight loss figures
And so forth. And of course have it advertised with some random person wearing a lab coat.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding eating plan.
eat to round about your calorie allowance
eat a reasonably nutritionally balanced diet
Include food you like
Do not include foods you do not like.
Hmmm, needs a catchy name or some sort of upgrade before becoming a marketable product
You could make it all sciency sounding.
Consume your daily caloric needs to withing 10% of scientifically generated standardized weight loss figures
And so forth. And of course have it advertised with some random person wearing a lab coat.
Mention hormones and metabolism and you won't need to sound sciency. There are certain magic words that put people in a trance. You could do cortisol for food restrictions, leptin for nutritionally balanced, and metabolism for NEAT.4 -
Yes amused monkey and VUA21 - presentation needs work.
Must get the jargon right
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paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding eating plan.
eat to round about your calorie allowance
eat a reasonably nutritionally balanced diet
Include food you like
Do not include foods you do not like.
Hmmm, needs a catchy name or some sort of upgrade before becoming a marketable product
Eating plan?? Get off my lawn!!!!
JK.1 -
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Clean eating, for me, is whole foods, fresh veggies, fruits, meats (and for me the meats should be grass fed for beef, free range, for chicken...not sure about fish because it is not one of my favorite foods). If it has a looonnnnggg shelf life or things I cannot pronounce, I try to stay away. I have recently cut out refined and added sugar to my diet.6
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MrsWynn2017 wrote: »Clean eating, for me, is whole foods, fresh veggies, fruits, meats (and for me the meats should be grass fed for beef, free range, for chicken...not sure about fish because it is not one of my favorite foods). If it has a looonnnnggg shelf life or things I cannot pronounce, I try to stay away. I have recently cut out refined and added sugar to my diet.
But to loop back to the main point of the thread, what is the foundation for these rules? What is the difference between these and the other sets of rules that people claim are "clean eating"? What keeps these, in your mind, from being arbitrary?7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »MrsWynn2017 wrote: »Clean eating, for me, is whole foods, fresh veggies, fruits, meats (and for me the meats should be grass fed for beef, free range, for chicken...not sure about fish because it is not one of my favorite foods). If it has a looonnnnggg shelf life or things I cannot pronounce, I try to stay away. I have recently cut out refined and added sugar to my diet.
But to loop back to the main point of the thread, what is the foundation for these rules? What is the difference between these and the other sets of rules that people claim are "clean eating"? What keeps these, in your mind, from being arbitrary?
Also you may want to look up what "free range" and the like really means for chickens, because I guarantee it's not what you think.5 -
MrsWynn2017 wrote: »Clean eating, for me, is whole foods, fresh veggies, fruits, meats (and for me the meats should be grass fed for beef, free range, for chicken...not sure about fish because it is not one of my favorite foods). If it has a looonnnnggg shelf life or things I cannot pronounce, I try to stay away. I have recently cut out refined and added sugar to my diet.
I give you honey and bouillabaisse.
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MelanieCN77 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MrsWynn2017 wrote: »Clean eating, for me, is whole foods, fresh veggies, fruits, meats (and for me the meats should be grass fed for beef, free range, for chicken...not sure about fish because it is not one of my favorite foods). If it has a looonnnnggg shelf life or things I cannot pronounce, I try to stay away. I have recently cut out refined and added sugar to my diet.
But to loop back to the main point of the thread, what is the foundation for these rules? What is the difference between these and the other sets of rules that people claim are "clean eating"? What keeps these, in your mind, from being arbitrary?
Also you may want to look up what "free range" and the like really means for chickens, because I guarantee it's not what you think.
Good point.
I think some people don't realize how little the term "free range" tells us about the living conditions of chickens prior to slaughter. A "free range" chicken only needs "access" to the outdoors (and not even for the full day or the majority of the day). The space allotted to outdoors can be very small and it doesn't have to include grass or any vegetation. There is no minimum outdoor space per chicken. And this is for birds killed for meat. For eggs, there is no current minimum legal definition -- anybody can call their eggs "free range."
Is meat from a chicken somehow "cleaner" if it goes outside to a gravel area 15 minutes every day? I don't understand how this could make a meaningful difference in the quality of the resulting meat.
Note: This is US-specific because that is where I am from. Obviously, different countries may have different legal standards.2 -
CarvedTones wrote: »Clean eating is when I don't need to change my shirt after a meal...
I dirty eat, which is why I rarely wear white.5 -
CarvedTones wrote: »Clean eating is when I don't need to change my shirt after a meal...
I dirty eat, which is why I rarely wear white.
5 second rule for me.1 -
CarvedTones wrote: »Clean eating is when I don't need to change my shirt after a meal...
I dirty eat, which is why I rarely wear white.
5 second rule for me.
Our local restaurant automatically brings us extra napkins. Obviously not part of the clean eating crowd, or maybe we are- all the debris stays off our clothes.
Cheers, h.3 -
If it has a looonnnnggg shelf life or things I cannot pronounce, I try to stay away. I have recently cut out refined and added sugar to my diet.
Yes ,cutting refined sugar and added sugar products will go a long way to reducing calories for many people.
i havent done it myself, I just fit such things into my calorie allowance - but I can see how it is a good strategy for reducing calories and steering oneself more toward more healthy options.
Do you stay away from salt? It has a very long shelf life. so does things like tea leaves.About 2 years.
The "if I cant pronounce it plan" seems rather silly to me and has no basis in any logical thought.
There is a whole thread on that somewhere - worth reading to re consider whether such idea has any sense to it.3 -
CarvedTones wrote: »Clean eating is when I don't need to change my shirt after a meal...
I dirty eat, which is why I rarely wear white.
White shirt, serve tomatoes. Every time.0 -
MelanieCN77 wrote: »CarvedTones wrote: »Clean eating is when I don't need to change my shirt after a meal...
I dirty eat, which is why I rarely wear white.
White shirt, serve tomatoes. Every time.
I remove my favorite white cardigan before eating beets.0 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »MelanieCN77 wrote: »CarvedTones wrote: »Clean eating is when I don't need to change my shirt after a meal...
I dirty eat, which is why I rarely wear white.
White shirt, serve tomatoes. Every time.
I remove my favorite white cardigan before eating beets. :laugh: 0 -
I learned not to wear a white shirt when eating barbecued ribs. Or spaghetti.MelanieCN77 wrote: »CarvedTones wrote: »Clean eating is when I don't need to change my shirt after a meal...
I dirty eat, which is why I rarely wear white.
White shirt, serve tomatoes. Every time.1
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