Clean Eating: no processed/refined foods, no high sugar/fat foods, or no foods with dirt on them?
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paperpudding wrote: »I manage the bar for our small local sports club - because i shop separately to my own grocery shopping on a separate account - I sometimes have supermarket cart full of nothing but 50 chocolate bars,10 bags of crisps, few cartons of soda.
and if anyone if is following me, my next step is the liquor store where I buy few bottles of wine and several cartons of beer and mixed spirit drinks
Gosh I hope any Judgy Pants don't think that is my diet for the week
I always laugh at the judgey pants eyeing the stuff in everyone else's carts at the checkout. I especially love the ones who have all the organic and woo-filled derp crap in their cart and then visibly sneer at the mom with 3 kids and a box of Froot Loops in hers.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I manage the bar for our small local sports club - because i shop separately to my own grocery shopping on a separate account - I sometimes have supermarket cart full of nothing but 50 chocolate bars,10 bags of crisps, few cartons of soda.
and if anyone if is following me, my next step is the liquor store where I buy few bottles of wine and several cartons of beer and mixed spirit drinks
Gosh I hope any Judgy Pants don't think that is my diet for the week
I always laugh at the judgey pants eyeing the stuff in everyone else's carts at the checkout. I especially love the ones who have all the organic and woo-filled derp crap in their cart and then visibly sneer at the mom with 3 kids and a box of Froot Loops in hers.
I get it, with kids its a whole different ballgame but what I fed my kids then vs what i would like to do now is miles apart. I can only imagine the look on my grand kids faces when I announce we are eating clean this week.8 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I manage the bar for our small local sports club - because i shop separately to my own grocery shopping on a separate account - I sometimes have supermarket cart full of nothing but 50 chocolate bars,10 bags of crisps, few cartons of soda.
and if anyone if is following me, my next step is the liquor store where I buy few bottles of wine and several cartons of beer and mixed spirit drinks
Gosh I hope any Judgy Pants don't think that is my diet for the week
I always laugh at the judgey pants eyeing the stuff in everyone else's carts at the checkout. I especially love the ones who have all the organic and woo-filled derp crap in their cart and then visibly sneer at the mom with 3 kids and a box of Froot Loops in hers.
I get it, with kids its a whole different ballgame but what I fed my kids then vs what i would like to do now is miles apart. I can only imagine the look on my grand kids faces when I announce we are eating clean this week.
***Que the grandkids "cleaning" the food with dishsoap***3 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I manage the bar for our small local sports club - because i shop separately to my own grocery shopping on a separate account - I sometimes have supermarket cart full of nothing but 50 chocolate bars,10 bags of crisps, few cartons of soda.
and if anyone if is following me, my next step is the liquor store where I buy few bottles of wine and several cartons of beer and mixed spirit drinks
Gosh I hope any Judgy Pants don't think that is my diet for the week
I always laugh at the judgey pants eyeing the stuff in everyone else's carts at the checkout. I especially love the ones who have all the organic and woo-filled derp crap in their cart and then visibly sneer at the mom with 3 kids and a box of Froot Loops in hers.
I buy the froot loops for myself!
It's also Interesting when I go grocery shopping right after strength training days and have a slight pump going on, meanwhile I'm buying Froot Loops, Ice Cream, frozen burritos, pizza rolls, frozen veggies, beer. I get confused looks by the all-natural, organic, no-GMO, gluten free, fat free, sugar-free, low-carb shoppers.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I just read through this entire thread. Why is everyone belittling others’ choices? If I try to eat whole, healthy, unprocessed foods, why does that matter to anyone? I am new to this ‘community’ but it really seems anything but that from what I’m seeing here.
So, your food is "clean" (as opposed to the dirty food other people eat), your food is "whole" (as opposed to the broken or incomplete food other people eat), and your food is "healthy" (as opposed to the unhealthy food other people eat), and it's the other people who are belittling others' choices?? OK.
Edited to fix typo.
When I've made efforts to "clean up MY diet" I never spared a thought about other people's diets. My OH eats fast food all the time and I don't judge him for it.
I think a lot of the backlash against clean eating is undeserved and non-clean eaters are projecting something on their WOE that simply isn't there in the mind of clean eaters.
And sometimes it is:I saw a few posts to the effect "what difference does it make if I make it at home or buy it in a box with the same ingredients." When I think of bad or not clean and yes I dislike the term "clean eating" I am not talking about where the ingredient comes from. If I buy white bread at the store or bake it at home both will likely contain highly processed flour. The processed flour has literally everything that was good for us striped out. The perimeter of the store thing is a generalization thing and we should all be able to understand the intended meaning. Now that I have improved the types of food I eat I often peek into others carts and see the 4 two liter bottles of coke, 2 boxes of eggos frozen waffles, bags of chips, frozen fries in the electric cart that is used because it is too difficult to walk. I was never that bad but I did eat some crap back in the day. We are all free to call a way of eating clean or dirty if it makes us feel good. I just try to make healthy choices for me and my loved ones. It's funny how this happens as I age a bit. One of my old favs was a large chilli cheese-A-plenty. It is two cheese burgers on a bun with chilli on it and completely buried beneath onion rings and french fries. I washed it down with sweet iced tea. I cannot believe I would crave that mess.
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I consider it as an observation and I also see the reverse happen when I place nothing but fresh produce and meat on the belt. Sometimes a person will glance over my selection and look back at theirs and kind of ponder the difference. I don't so much judge but feel bad for someone that is in pain and poor health. We have as a population been subjected to a lot of advertisements to eat foods that are not very good for us. I don't think the cause for skyrocketing obesity and diabetes is because people are stupid or lack willpower. They have been taken advantage of the makers of these products in the name of profit.
1. I wouldn't read too much into non-verbal actions. How do you know they are pondering vs trying to estimate how quickly you will check out so they can get out of there?
2. Gosh - those evil people trying to make food taste good so they can help their companies stay alive and have jobs! And how awful that they also force people to eat the food as well!7 -
Yes I think other people pondering is mostly our perception - fact: they glanced at your selection and then looked at theirs.
Perception: they are pondering the nutritional difference.
OR They could be just glancing around aimlessly or budgeting or meal planning or fantasising about their sexy neighbour. You are not a mind reader, you don't know what they are pondering.
Of course same goes for clean eaters looking at other trolleys - except where they themselves told us otherwise, like rsclause did.7 -
sunfastrose wrote: »I consider it as an observation and I also see the reverse happen when I place nothing but fresh produce and meat on the belt. Sometimes a person will glance over my selection and look back at theirs and kind of ponder the difference. I don't so much judge but feel bad for someone that is in pain and poor health. We have as a population been subjected to a lot of advertisements to eat foods that are not very good for us. I don't think the cause for skyrocketing obesity and diabetes is because people are stupid or lack willpower. They have been taken advantage of the makers of these products in the name of profit.
1. I wouldn't read too much into non-verbal actions. How do you know they are pondering vs trying to estimate how quickly you will check out so they can get out of there?
2. Gosh - those evil people trying to make food taste good so they can help their companies stay alive and have jobs! And how awful that they also force people to eat the food as well!
1. They were in front of me.
2. They added a bunch of high fructose corn syrup to "make it taste good" after they took all the fat out (flavor) to make it "healthy ". Yes the food companies stay alive and profit while diabetics are getting limbs removed. Sounds fair to me.12 -
Whether they were in front or behind you, same thing applies - I'm sure sunfastrose just gave pondering how quickly you will move through checkout as a random possibility. I gave a few more in my post
odds are they were not comparing your trolley contents - that is just your perception.
Clouded by fact you do that to other people's carts7 -
paperpudding wrote: »Whether they were in front or behind you, same thing applies - I'm sure sunfastrose just gave pondering how quickly you will move through checkout as a random possibility. I gave a few more in my post
odds are they were not comparing your trolley contents - that is just your perception.
Clouded by fact you do that to other people's carts
It was an anecdotal comment. He looked at his items on the belt, then looked at mine and glanced at me. He looked back at his and gave an slight shoulder shrug. It is a story about how I perceived the brief exchange. It is quite possible that he gave that look because he just crapped himself.
Come on people I explain that I see what others place in their cart and it is like I am looking in their windows to some of you. "Its none of my business" yes I get it but when you see someone dressed inappropriately you notice don't you? Well its none of your business. It is just a random observation and nothing more. This exercise in going to the literal extreme is ridiculous. The phrase "shop the perimeter of the store" is a generalization that causes multiple people to say well I saw car wash or drain cleaner there so should I eat that? I relate a simple story and I get its none of my business (huh I didn't get the camera out and interview the event) or I am not a mind reader. Its a story not a deposition in a murder trail.
It is kind of like "Clean Eating" it is a generalization. It means something different to each person. It cannot be defined. Yet here we are on page 6 of it again.5 -
Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Couldn't the wiggling be considered an, all-natural, organic source of protien???? 😋
https://rove.me/to/south-africa/roasted-termites1 -
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JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Couldn't the wiggling be considered an, all-natural, organic source of protien???? 😋
https://rove.me/to/south-africa/roasted-termites
This made me think of the recipe, in one of my books on composting, for "Vermicelli with Real 'Verms.'"
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Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Couldn't the wiggling be considered an, all-natural, organic source of protien???? 😋
https://rove.me/to/south-africa/roasted-termites
This made me think of the recipe, in one of my books on composting, for "Vermicelli with Real 'Verms.'"
My cousin, raised in east Dallas, married into Africa and lived her career in Kenya. Her daughter grew up and became a doctor working in lonely west Texas. One day on facebook the doctor posted a picture of roasted termites with a note longing for her mother's home cooking. Termites? Home cooking from my mother's generation was anything they could hook, shoot, or road-kill.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Whether they were in front or behind you, same thing applies - I'm sure sunfastrose just gave pondering how quickly you will move through checkout as a random possibility. I gave a few more in my post
odds are they were not comparing your trolley contents - that is just your perception.
Clouded by fact you do that to other people's carts
It was an anecdotal comment. He looked at his items on the belt, then looked at mine and glanced at me. He looked back at his and gave an slight shoulder shrug. It is a story about how I perceived the brief exchange. It is quite possible that he gave that look because he just crapped himself.
Come on people I explain that I see what others place in their cart and it is like I am looking in their windows to some of you. "Its none of my business" yes I get it but when you see someone dressed inappropriately you notice don't you? Well its none of your business. It is just a random observation and nothing more. This exercise in going to the literal extreme is ridiculous. The phrase "shop the perimeter of the store" is a generalization that causes multiple people to say well I saw car wash or drain cleaner there so should I eat that? I relate a simple story and I get its none of my business (huh I didn't get the camera out and interview the event) or I am not a mind reader. Its a story not a deposition in a murder trail.
It is kind of like "Clean Eating" it is a generalization. It means something different to each person. It cannot be defined. Yet here we are on page 6 of it again.
Yes it is a story about how your perceived the breif exchange - exactly what I said.
It is just your perception. You are not a mind reader and you do not know what he was pondering.
Odds on he wasnt pondering how superior your choices were, as you seem to think
Just like you do not know anything about the people whose carts you peep into ( your words) to make yourself feel superior.
I gave the real life example of myself with a cart filled with chocolates, crisps, crates of soda and crates of alcohol - you could randomly observe that and you would have no idea of the story behind it.
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paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Whether they were in front or behind you, same thing applies - I'm sure sunfastrose just gave pondering how quickly you will move through checkout as a random possibility. I gave a few more in my post
odds are they were not comparing your trolley contents - that is just your perception.
Clouded by fact you do that to other people's carts
It was an anecdotal comment. He looked at his items on the belt, then looked at mine and glanced at me. He looked back at his and gave an slight shoulder shrug. It is a story about how I perceived the brief exchange. It is quite possible that he gave that look because he just crapped himself.
Come on people I explain that I see what others place in their cart and it is like I am looking in their windows to some of you. "Its none of my business" yes I get it but when you see someone dressed inappropriately you notice don't you? Well its none of your business. It is just a random observation and nothing more. This exercise in going to the literal extreme is ridiculous. The phrase "shop the perimeter of the store" is a generalization that causes multiple people to say well I saw car wash or drain cleaner there so should I eat that? I relate a simple story and I get its none of my business (huh I didn't get the camera out and interview the event) or I am not a mind reader. Its a story not a deposition in a murder trail.
It is kind of like "Clean Eating" it is a generalization. It means something different to each person. It cannot be defined. Yet here we are on page 6 of it again.
Yes it is a story about how your perceived the breif exchange - exactly what I said.
It is just your perception. You are not a mind reader and you do not know what he was pondering.
Odds on he wasnt pondering how superior your choices were, as you seem to think
Just like you do not know anything about the people whose carts you peep into ( your words) to make yourself feel superior.
I gave the real life example of myself with a cart filled with chocolates, crisps, crates of soda and crates of alcohol - you could randomly observe that and you would have no idea of the story behind it.
I don't know anything about people whose carts I observe (not peek) ? I beg to differ. I can see they are obese, I can see they having trouble walking, I can speculate they are or becoming insulin resistant and lastly I can see they are eating sugar and carb in a very high percentage of their diet. But that is just my mind reading power going off the rails. They are more likely be on their way to the gym after they drop off all the junk food at the food bank right before stocking up at the farmers market.
I have gone down this road farther than I should have. Sorry if I have offended anyone as that is not my intention. I was just chit chatting about something that was what I thought was related to Clean Eating all be it remotely. I will wander back to the Keto groups where we are all superior together...I kidd, I kidd.
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paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Whether they were in front or behind you, same thing applies - I'm sure sunfastrose just gave pondering how quickly you will move through checkout as a random possibility. I gave a few more in my post
odds are they were not comparing your trolley contents - that is just your perception.
Clouded by fact you do that to other people's carts
It was an anecdotal comment. He looked at his items on the belt, then looked at mine and glanced at me. He looked back at his and gave an slight shoulder shrug. It is a story about how I perceived the brief exchange. It is quite possible that he gave that look because he just crapped himself.
Come on people I explain that I see what others place in their cart and it is like I am looking in their windows to some of you. "Its none of my business" yes I get it but when you see someone dressed inappropriately you notice don't you? Well its none of your business. It is just a random observation and nothing more. This exercise in going to the literal extreme is ridiculous. The phrase "shop the perimeter of the store" is a generalization that causes multiple people to say well I saw car wash or drain cleaner there so should I eat that? I relate a simple story and I get its none of my business (huh I didn't get the camera out and interview the event) or I am not a mind reader. Its a story not a deposition in a murder trail.
It is kind of like "Clean Eating" it is a generalization. It means something different to each person. It cannot be defined. Yet here we are on page 6 of it again.
Yes it is a story about how your perceived the breif exchange - exactly what I said.
It is just your perception. You are not a mind reader and you do not know what he was pondering.
Odds on he wasnt pondering how superior your choices were, as you seem to think
Just like you do not know anything about the people whose carts you peep into ( your words) to make yourself feel superior.
I gave the real life example of myself with a cart filled with chocolates, crisps, crates of soda and crates of alcohol - you could randomly observe that and you would have no idea of the story behind it.
I don't know anything about people whose carts I observe (not peek) ? I beg to differ. I can see they are obese, I can see they having trouble walking, I can speculate they are or becoming insulin resistant and lastly I can see they are eating sugar and carb in a very high percentage of their diet. But that is just my mind reading power going off the rails. They are more likely be on their way to the gym after they drop off all the junk food at the food bank right before stocking up at the farmers market.
I have gone down this road farther than I should have. Sorry if I have offended anyone as that is not my intention. I was just chit chatting about something that was what I thought was related to Clean Eating all be it remotely. I will wander back to the Keto groups where we are all superior together...I kidd, I kidd.
You making assumptions and judging is what I find offensive. When my disabled husband goes to the grocery store with me he uses a scooter. If you snooped our cart you'd see bread, snacks, pop, ice cream, canned foods, frozen foods - all the sugar and carbs you rail against. What you wouldn't know is that the majority of our veggies come from the co-op we belong to, meat is bought in bulk, portioned out and frozen and the majority of purchases at the grocery store are the snack foods, etc. My husband is underweight and I encourage him to eat whatever gets calories into him.
In other words, you have no clue what someone else's story is and you are assuming that they have a poor diet or are judging your purchases as superior to theirs.8 -
It's self-imposed arbitrary rules that can take any shape or form, different to every person. Some interesting examples:
- It depends on your pronunciation skills
- It depends on the color of the food (white foods are definitely dirty, as counterintuitive as it sounds)
- It depends on what your supermarket chooses to display on the parameter
- It depends on the number of ingredients
- In addition to nutrient content, food has "moral value" content. That needs to be taken into account.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Whether they were in front or behind you, same thing applies - I'm sure sunfastrose just gave pondering how quickly you will move through checkout as a random possibility. I gave a few more in my post
odds are they were not comparing your trolley contents - that is just your perception.
Clouded by fact you do that to other people's carts
It was an anecdotal comment. He looked at his items on the belt, then looked at mine and glanced at me. He looked back at his and gave an slight shoulder shrug. It is a story about how I perceived the brief exchange. It is quite possible that he gave that look because he just crapped himself.
Come on people I explain that I see what others place in their cart and it is like I am looking in their windows to some of you. "Its none of my business" yes I get it but when you see someone dressed inappropriately you notice don't you? Well its none of your business. It is just a random observation and nothing more. This exercise in going to the literal extreme is ridiculous. The phrase "shop the perimeter of the store" is a generalization that causes multiple people to say well I saw car wash or drain cleaner there so should I eat that? I relate a simple story and I get its none of my business (huh I didn't get the camera out and interview the event) or I am not a mind reader. Its a story not a deposition in a murder trail.
It is kind of like "Clean Eating" it is a generalization. It means something different to each person. It cannot be defined. Yet here we are on page 6 of it again.
Yes it is a story about how your perceived the breif exchange - exactly what I said.
It is just your perception. You are not a mind reader and you do not know what he was pondering.
Odds on he wasnt pondering how superior your choices were, as you seem to think
Just like you do not know anything about the people whose carts you peep into ( your words) to make yourself feel superior.
I gave the real life example of myself with a cart filled with chocolates, crisps, crates of soda and crates of alcohol - you could randomly observe that and you would have no idea of the story behind it.
I don't know anything about people whose carts I observe (not peek) ? I beg to differ. I can see they are obese, I can see they having trouble walking, I can speculate they are or becoming insulin resistant and lastly I can see they are eating sugar and carb in a very high percentage of their diet. But that is just my mind reading power going off the rails. They are more likely be on their way to the gym after they drop off all the junk food at the food bank right before stocking up at the farmers market.
I have gone down this road farther than I should have. Sorry if I have offended anyone as that is not my intention. I was just chit chatting about something that was what I thought was related to Clean Eating all be it remotely. I will wander back to the Keto groups where we are all superior together...I kidd, I kidd.
Are you really kidding though? You talk about looking in obese peoples carts and comparing what is in theirs to what is in yours. Why else would you do that besides an attempt to feel superior? I view a lot of what you have said to imply that your WOE is better than everyone else's.
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