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Janejellyroll,
I recently had to retire early and I have nothing to do right now. Decided to finally get into better shape. I'm only doing cardio right now and going to add strength training very soon. It's been 11 weeks now.
I just asked because you said your routine was part of your frustration. It might be worth dialing back the exercise (2 hours a day is a LOT) to find something that feels more comfortable, sustainable, and less frustrating. You don't need two hours a day to get into better shape.7 -
How do I feel about people who try to lose weight with diet pills or weight loss surgery?I'm trying to lose 90 lbs naturally via exercise and healthier eating. On a good start but as we know it's very, very hard.
How do you feel about people who I say "cheat" with diet pills and the various surgeries?
I personally don't really have the same respect for them vs people who make the real sacrifices. Just my opinion.
Usually sympathetic for the fruitless and sometimes irreparable damage done to their health and their pocketbooks, with a hidden touch of "there but for the grace of good sense and patience go I."
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My mom was offered weight loss surgery 10 years ago. Maybe if she would have had it done she wouldn't be in her 50's in a nursing home dying of heart failure because of her weight. What ever way somebody chooses to try to lose weight and become healthier should be applauded not looked down upon.19
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janejellyroll wrote: »Janejellyroll,
I recently had to retire early and I have nothing to do right now. Decided to finally get into better shape. I'm only doing cardio right now and going to add strength training very soon. It's been 11 weeks now.
I just asked because you said your routine was part of your frustration. It might be worth dialing back the exercise (2 hours a day is a LOT) to find something that feels more comfortable, sustainable, and less frustrating. You don't need two hours a day to get into better shape.
This^^ Especially since your frustration is making you judge people who don't do it how you have chosen to as somewhat lacking in commitment, drive or motivation.
I suspect that unless you dial things back a bit and gain some perspective, you will burn out sooner rather than later.
Have too much time on your hands? There are plenty of places that could definitely use some volunteer help.6 -
Janejellyroll,
I recently had to retire early and I have nothing to do right now. Decided to finally get into better shape. I'm only doing cardio right now and going to add strength training very soon. It's been 11 weeks now.
So, you're making weight loss and health improvement harder than it needs to be (and possibly less effective besides - we'll see), then describing the process as "very, very hard". OK.
But why?
Fitness works best if you find activities you personally enjoy, then gradually increase duration and intensity, while allowing for adequate recovery time between workouts (which allows the body to rebuild in a stronger way rather than being constantly and repeatedly torn down). Done in this way, fitness can be "fun and rewarding" rather than "very, very hard".
When I lost weight ("naturally", I guess - no pills or surgeries), I did it by setting a moderate calorie deficit I could adhere to, and sticking to it the overwhelming majority of days for many months, eating foods I personally found delicious that gave me good overall nutrition, plus a few treats when they fit in. I relaxed the rules and indulged on my 60th birthday, and a few holidays and special events along the way, because life - especially retired life - should be fun.
Not only was that successful (still at a healthy weight 2+ years later), but it was not "very, very hard"; in fact, it was so straightforward and achievable that I could've kicked myself for not doing it decades earlier.
It's nice that you're moving forward without ineffective, expensive, and possibly dangerous pills; and it's good that you're not in a position that makes potentially dangerous, difficult and life-altering surgery your best option. Whew! (You dodged some bullets.)
But if the route you're on is "very, very difficult", it might be time for some reflection about whether you're on the best possible route, unless unpleasant experiences are somehow psychologically rewarding. I'm sure that's not it, though, that wouldn't make sense.
P.S. I retired at 51, on purpose. There are lots of fun things to do in retirement, even with only a modest income. Being active and cooking/eating the right amount of tasty, nutritious food are only 2 of them.
Best wishes for a fulfilling retirement!
P.P.S. Just playing the odds, I'd suggest you start strength training sooner, if you intend to do it. I've seen a bunch of people around here wish they'd started sooner, and never saw anyone who wished they'd waited. Since your exercise schedule sounds overfull already for 11 weeks in, it should be fine to drop your current volume to allow for strength training with proper recovery.
P.P.P.S. Welcome to the debate forum.
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I've lost weight with medicine and always gained it back and more. This time I am consciously changing me and my habits and my emotional connections to food. The weight is coming off and staying off. I am doing things like better food choices, controlling portion sizes, and walking an hour each day10
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Well I sincerely hope you find your pace that allows you to be less crabby and still lose weight.
I vividly remember my own anger that an obviously intelligent and hard working person like myself still managed to get morbidly obese.
Since in your opinion I cheated, we won’t be friends. But I still wish you all success.13 -
Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
How do I feel about people who try to lose weight with diet pills or weight loss surgery?I'm trying to lose 90 lbs naturally via exercise and healthier eating. On a good start but as we know it's very, very hard.
How do you feel about people who I say "cheat" with diet pills and the various surgeries?
I personally don't really have the same respect for them vs people who make the real sacrifices. Just my opinion.
Usually sympathetic for the fruitless and sometimes irreparable damage done to their health and their pocketbooks, with a hidden touch of "there but for the grace of good sense and patience go I."
That patience thing is so hard.5 -
Isn't there some famous saint who is supposed to have said:IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
How do I feel about people who try to lose weight with diet pills or weight loss surgery?I'm trying to lose 90 lbs naturally via exercise and healthier eating. On a good start but as we know it's very, very hard.
How do you feel about people who I say "cheat" with diet pills and the various surgeries?
I personally don't really have the same respect for them vs people who make the real sacrifices. Just my opinion.
Usually sympathetic for the fruitless and sometimes irreparable damage done to their health and their pocketbooks, with a hidden touch of "there but for the grace of good sense and patience go I."
That patience thing is so hard.
"Lord, grant me patience, and I want it right now!"?
(I think he's not the same as the saint who is supposed to have said: "Lord, grant me chastity; but, please - not yet.")
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Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Isn't there some famous saint who is supposed to have said:IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
How do I feel about people who try to lose weight with diet pills or weight loss surgery?I'm trying to lose 90 lbs naturally via exercise and healthier eating. On a good start but as we know it's very, very hard.
How do you feel about people who I say "cheat" with diet pills and the various surgeries?
I personally don't really have the same respect for them vs people who make the real sacrifices. Just my opinion.
Usually sympathetic for the fruitless and sometimes irreparable damage done to their health and their pocketbooks, with a hidden touch of "there but for the grace of good sense and patience go I."
That patience thing is so hard.
"Lord, grant me patience, and I want it right now!"?
(I think he's not the same as the saint who is supposed to have said: "Lord, grant me chastity; but, please - not yet.")
Me.😛
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LOLEvelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Isn't there some famous saint who is supposed to have said:IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
How do I feel about people who try to lose weight with diet pills or weight loss surgery?I'm trying to lose 90 lbs naturally via exercise and healthier eating. On a good start but as we know it's very, very hard.
How do you feel about people who I say "cheat" with diet pills and the various surgeries?
I personally don't really have the same respect for them vs people who make the real sacrifices. Just my opinion.
Usually sympathetic for the fruitless and sometimes irreparable damage done to their health and their pocketbooks, with a hidden touch of "there but for the grace of good sense and patience go I."
That patience thing is so hard.
"Lord, grant me patience, and I want it right now!"?
(I think he's not the same as the saint who is supposed to have said: "Lord, grant me chastity; but, please - not yet.")
Me.😛
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No matter how to realize your goals, if you don't keep a healthy eating/exercise lifestyle, you will eventually fail.
I've seen people who have had surgery, some have been able to manage their weight post-surgery, some have not. It all rides on how personally determined they are, and what kind of support system they have. If their family and friends are cheering them to eat healthy, they are more likely to succeed.
As a side: What is your definition of cheating? If I'm not getting all my nutrients from the food I eat, and I take dietary supplements, am I cheating?2 -
How other people lose weight does not affect me in any way. Why should I care? And why would they care if you have "respect" for how they lost weight or not? Besides that. Have you ever gone through surgery before? It is not the easy way out, and it is not without sacrifices.3
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Hi y'all,
Friendly reminder to stay on topic so this thread can remain open.
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Awesomeopossum74,
I define cheating as altering your stomach or taking pills so you lose your appetite as opposed to determination, willpower, sacrifice, and motivation to name a few. *barring any true medical circumstances that would require you to have it.
I've seen people get surgery being 30lbs overweight.1 -
Hens92.
A lot care what people think, trust and believe. Many keep it secret. I had a good friend of many years keep hers secrete.
And yes, I've had several surgeries throughout the years. None by choice.0 -
I'm trying to lose 90 lbs naturally via exercise and healthier eating. On a good start but as we know it's very, very hard.
How do you feel about people who I say "cheat" with diet pills and the various surgeries?
I personally don't really have the same respect for them vs people who make the real sacrifices. Just my opinion.
Shouldn't we just respect everyone no matter what?2 -
Awesomeopossum74,
I define cheating as altering your stomach or taking pills so you lose your appetite as opposed to determination, willpower, sacrifice, and motivation to name a few. *barring any true medical circumstances that would require you to have it.
I've seen people get surgery being 30lbs overweight.
It seems like you're giving this a lot of moral significance. At the end of the day, it's just energy stored in your body. People use different methods and techniques to create a calorie deficit. Why make it more than it is?
Is it inherently better to accomplish something via sacrifice? Yeah, we all want the ability to sacrifice when it's necessary, but it's not like we have to demonstrate it in every area of life. If someone has an easier time losing weight, for whatever reason, what harm does that cause?
(This is accepting the premise that losing weight via surgery doesn't involve determination and motivation, something that I'm not sure is true).
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Cathipa,
Never said I would react any differently, I would feel differently in my mind if you tied up your stomach to lose and I fought and battled to lose mine.
I'm sure many feel the same, but wouldn't dare say it.0
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