I'm done with counting calories, Weight Watchers, etc - I'm going back to low carb
BlessedMom70
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I know so many say weight loss is all about calories in/calories out, and that does make sense...but I have been trying to lose 15 lbs for around 10 years and I'm frustrated. I know that's not a lot of weight to lose, but I feel better at a certain weight (my healthy weight).
I have counted calories on and off since I was 14 (!), and I have tried Weight Watchers. Last summer, I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic and started watching the carbs. I brought my A1C down to a normal level and lost weight in the process. I stopped eating low carb and the weight returned (so obviously I am going to have to make it a permanent change/lifestyle). My husband lost 50 lbs eating low carb and has kept it off for 3 years (he still watches the carbs but not as 'fanatically').
I am really starting to think that low carb is the only thing that works for me. What is considered low carb (ex: 100 net carbs a day)? And I know that eating low carb naturally results in eating a higher fat diet. Can anyone recommend good websites, books, etc to help me in this journey to finally lose the extra weight once and for all?
I have counted calories on and off since I was 14 (!), and I have tried Weight Watchers. Last summer, I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic and started watching the carbs. I brought my A1C down to a normal level and lost weight in the process. I stopped eating low carb and the weight returned (so obviously I am going to have to make it a permanent change/lifestyle). My husband lost 50 lbs eating low carb and has kept it off for 3 years (he still watches the carbs but not as 'fanatically').
I am really starting to think that low carb is the only thing that works for me. What is considered low carb (ex: 100 net carbs a day)? And I know that eating low carb naturally results in eating a higher fat diet. Can anyone recommend good websites, books, etc to help me in this journey to finally lose the extra weight once and for all?
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Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.19
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psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge.
I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
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Considering that the vast majority of people regain at least some of the weight they lose, no one can tell you with certainty how to lose the weight once and for all.
Perhaps low carb is the best way of eating for you. Why did you stop eating that way in the first place, was it difficult for you? Maybe start out aiming for 50g less than you have been typically eating. After a couple of weeks if it's going well, try a little lower.
I believe some places define low carb as under 150g, which doesn't seem very low to me! Generally it's considered 100g or less I think. Don't get boxed into feeling line you have to follow some guidelines for a defined diet though. Play around with your macros until you find your sweet spot, regardless of what someone else would call it. There's no magic to specific carb ratios, it's just that for some people a particular ratio will have them satiated, will make their logging more on point, and may be making them happier, less stressed, more energetic or whatever other intangibles play a role. Good luck!16 -
Just saw your follow up post. Since you don't use a food scale, perhaps the foods you added back into your diet when you stopped low carb are more difficult for you to measure or eyeball correctly. Regardless of the reason though, if LC works for you, it makes sense to give it another try.
Knowing why you stopped might help you get more targeted responses of how to make it work!14 -
The fact that you're "going back" means you left it before. Why was that? Probably because like for many, it's just not livable. Sure it works, but for many, not all, low carb/keto is just not a way of eating some people want to do for the rest of their lives. I mean, keto Thanksgiving stuffing or low carb mashed potatoes? Ugh. Again, some people love it, but I don't think many can do low carb forever. But good luck though, if calorie counting did not work for you.11
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I don't know if this is helpful to you, but diabetics are told not to exceed 132 grams of carbs for the day. My husband and I watch both our carbs and our calories and we have both lost about 25 lbs. I do weigh our food.21
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Considering that the vast majority of people regain at least some of the weight they lose, no one can tell you with certainty how to lose the weight once and for all.
Perhaps low carb is the best way of eating for you. Why did you stop eating that way in the first place, was it difficult for you? Maybe start out aiming for 50g less than you have been typically eating. After a couple of weeks if it's going well, try a little lower.
I believe some places define low carb as under 150g, which doesn't seem very low to me! Generally it's considered 100g or less I think. Don't get boxed into feeling line you have to follow some guidelines for a defined diet though. Play around with your macros until you find your sweet spot, regardless of what someone else would call it. There's no magic to specific carb ratios, it's just that for some people a particular ratio will have them satiated, will make their logging more on point, and may be making them happier, less stressed, more energetic or whatever other intangibles play a role. Good luck!
Right as always kimny. Thanks for the response. Best of luck.7 -
BlessedMom70 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
I have to say, this is all how you frame it.consumed a good part of my life
Hm. It takes me a whole five minutes per day to use my digital food scale, log my food, weigh my body, and log my weight. I don't consider that consuming my life. I consider that the same amount of "hassle" as paying my bills or putting gas in the car, or balancing my checkbook or brushing my teeth. It's life-maintenance tool, not a career.
I lost weight easily until I got to within 15 pounds of my goal weight. At that point I really had to buckle down and be super-accurate. It still only took five minutes per day...except that I made almost all my meals at home which is a bit more time-consuming but it's also healthier, cheaper, and tastier. I make my food exactly how I like it. That's also just a life-maintenance tool.
Those last 15 are vanity pounds. My deficit was tiny - like 200 calories - and it was difficult to stick to at times. BUT I did lose the weight. Logged my food every single day, regardless of how much I ate. I'm still in maintenance 11 years in, and I still eat most of my meals from home and log my food daily.
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Considering that the vast majority of people regain at least some of the weight they lose, no one can tell you with certainty how to lose the weight once and for all.
Perhaps low carb is the best way of eating for you. Why did you stop eating that way in the first place, was it difficult for you? Maybe start out aiming for 50g less than you have been typically eating. After a couple of weeks if it's going well, try a little lower.
I believe some places define low carb as under 150g, which doesn't seem very low to me! Generally it's considered 100g or less I think. Don't get boxed into feeling line you have to follow some guidelines for a defined diet though. Play around with your macros until you find your sweet spot, regardless of what someone else would call it. There's no magic to specific carb ratios, it's just that for some people a particular ratio will have them satiated, will make their logging more on point, and may be making them happier, less stressed, more energetic or whatever other intangibles play a role. Good luck!
Any amounts of carbs under 45% is technically low carb:
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/150-carbs-per-day-still-considered-low-carb-7754.html6 -
BlessedMom70 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
I felt MORE obsessive when I used measuring cups, because I never knew how tightly to pack them, and this made me anxious. Also, I deluded myself mightily on how much was 2 T of peanut butter. But 32 grams = 32 grams. Period.
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kshama2001 wrote: »Considering that the vast majority of people regain at least some of the weight they lose, no one can tell you with certainty how to lose the weight once and for all.
Perhaps low carb is the best way of eating for you. Why did you stop eating that way in the first place, was it difficult for you? Maybe start out aiming for 50g less than you have been typically eating. After a couple of weeks if it's going well, try a little lower.
I believe some places define low carb as under 150g, which doesn't seem very low to me! Generally it's considered 100g or less I think. Don't get boxed into feeling line you have to follow some guidelines for a defined diet though. Play around with your macros until you find your sweet spot, regardless of what someone else would call it. There's no magic to specific carb ratios, it's just that for some people a particular ratio will have them satiated, will make their logging more on point, and may be making them happier, less stressed, more energetic or whatever other intangibles play a role. Good luck!
Any amounts of carbs under 45% is technically low carb:
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/150-carbs-per-day-still-considered-low-carb-7754.html
I think it's considered moderate carb. The ada actually recommend about 40-45% carbs. I mean the ada can be full of kitten, but that's what their website says. Op... you do you baby. Best of luck.1 -
elsie6hickman wrote: »I don't know if this is helpful to you, but diabetics are told not to exceed 132 grams of carbs for the day. My husband and I watch both our carbs and our calories and we have both lost about 25 lbs. I do weigh our food.
That's great...congrats to you both! Is that 132 carbs a day total, or net?0 -
psychod787 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Considering that the vast majority of people regain at least some of the weight they lose, no one can tell you with certainty how to lose the weight once and for all.
Perhaps low carb is the best way of eating for you. Why did you stop eating that way in the first place, was it difficult for you? Maybe start out aiming for 50g less than you have been typically eating. After a couple of weeks if it's going well, try a little lower.
I believe some places define low carb as under 150g, which doesn't seem very low to me! Generally it's considered 100g or less I think. Don't get boxed into feeling line you have to follow some guidelines for a defined diet though. Play around with your macros until you find your sweet spot, regardless of what someone else would call it. There's no magic to specific carb ratios, it's just that for some people a particular ratio will have them satiated, will make their logging more on point, and may be making them happier, less stressed, more energetic or whatever other intangibles play a role. Good luck!
Any amounts of carbs under 45% is technically low carb:
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/150-carbs-per-day-still-considered-low-carb-7754.html
I think it's considered moderate carb. The ada actually recommend about 40-45% carbs. I mean the ada can be full of kitten, but that's what their website says. Op... you do you baby. Best of luck.
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Considering that the vast majority of people regain at least some of the weight they lose, no one can tell you with certainty how to lose the weight once and for all.
Perhaps low carb is the best way of eating for you. Why did you stop eating that way in the first place, was it difficult for you? Maybe start out aiming for 50g less than you have been typically eating. After a couple of weeks if it's going well, try a little lower.
I believe some places define low carb as under 150g, which doesn't seem very low to me! Generally it's considered 100g or less I think. Don't get boxed into feeling line you have to follow some guidelines for a defined diet though. Play around with your macros until you find your sweet spot, regardless of what someone else would call it. There's no magic to specific carb ratios, it's just that for some people a particular ratio will have them satiated, will make their logging more on point, and may be making them happier, less stressed, more energetic or whatever other intangibles play a role. Good luck!
Good idea about lowering the amount of carbs slowly/gradually. I quit because I am a carboholic. :-O Maybe I cut them too fast the last time and felt deprived as a result..2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »BlessedMom70 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
I felt MORE obsessive when I used measuring cups, because I never knew how tightly to pack them, and this made me anxious. Also, I deluded myself mightily on how much was 2 T of peanut butter. But 32 grams = 32 grams. Period.
Something to think about
Yes, it is. Thank you!1 -
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cmriverside wrote: »BlessedMom70 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
I have to say, this is all how you frame it.consumed a good part of my life
Hm. It takes me a whole five minutes per day to use my digital food scale, log my food, weigh my body, and log my weight. I don't consider that consuming my life. I consider that the same amount of "hassle" as paying my bills or putting gas in the car, or balancing my checkbook or brushing my teeth. It's life-maintenance tool, not a career.
I lost weight easily until I got to within 15 pounds of my goal weight. At that point I really had to buckle down and be super-accurate. It still only took five minutes per day...except that I made almost all my meals at home which is a bit more time-consuming but it's also healthier, cheaper, and tastier. I make my food exactly how I like it. That's also just a life-maintenance tool.
Those last 15 are vanity pounds. My deficit was tiny - like 200 calories - and it was difficult to stick to at times. BUT I did lose the weight. Logged my food every single day, regardless of how much I ate. I'm still in maintenance 11 years in, and I still eat most of my meals from home and log my food daily.
That's great...congrats! And maybe I should have been more clear...I am tired of *thinking about food, calorie counting, etc*...I feel like the thought of food has consumed my life.
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BlessedMom70 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »BlessedMom70 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
I have to say, this is all how you frame it.consumed a good part of my life
Hm. It takes me a whole five minutes per day to use my digital food scale, log my food, weigh my body, and log my weight. I don't consider that consuming my life. I consider that the same amount of "hassle" as paying my bills or putting gas in the car, or balancing my checkbook or brushing my teeth. It's life-maintenance tool, not a career.
I lost weight easily until I got to within 15 pounds of my goal weight. At that point I really had to buckle down and be super-accurate. It still only took five minutes per day...except that I made almost all my meals at home which is a bit more time-consuming but it's also healthier, cheaper, and tastier. I make my food exactly how I like it. That's also just a life-maintenance tool.
Those last 15 are vanity pounds. My deficit was tiny - like 200 calories - and it was difficult to stick to at times. BUT I did lose the weight. Logged my food every single day, regardless of how much I ate. I'm still in maintenance 11 years in, and I still eat most of my meals from home and log my food daily.
That's great...congrats! And maybe I should have been more clear...I am tired of *thinking about food, calorie counting, etc*...I feel like the thought of food has consumed my life.
Same. Now i find myself on message boards 🙄8 -
BlessedMom70 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
Food for thought: I was also worried about "obsession" when I began weighing food, but ultimately I found it to be incredibly liberating. Why? I finally began losing weight at the pace that I expected and I was freed from trying to figure out what I was "getting wrong." Adding a food scale to my logging routine actually made me think *less* about tracking because it made everything simpler.22 -
It's not the carbs that the issue. It's the inconsistency of HOW MUCH you're consuming that is. When numbers are consistent and in line, the system works.
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BlessedMom70 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »BlessedMom70 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
I have to say, this is all how you frame it.consumed a good part of my life
Hm. It takes me a whole five minutes per day to use my digital food scale, log my food, weigh my body, and log my weight. I don't consider that consuming my life. I consider that the same amount of "hassle" as paying my bills or putting gas in the car, or balancing my checkbook or brushing my teeth. It's life-maintenance tool, not a career.
I lost weight easily until I got to within 15 pounds of my goal weight. At that point I really had to buckle down and be super-accurate. It still only took five minutes per day...except that I made almost all my meals at home which is a bit more time-consuming but it's also healthier, cheaper, and tastier. I make my food exactly how I like it. That's also just a life-maintenance tool.
Those last 15 are vanity pounds. My deficit was tiny - like 200 calories - and it was difficult to stick to at times. BUT I did lose the weight. Logged my food every single day, regardless of how much I ate. I'm still in maintenance 11 years in, and I still eat most of my meals from home and log my food daily.
That's great...congrats! And maybe I should have been more clear...I am tired of *thinking about food, calorie counting, etc*...I feel like the thought of food has consumed my life.
Yeah, well that's probably more a mindfulness/anxiety thing.
I try to keep it right-sized...but I know what you mean. I used to try to eat 5-6 small meals and that SO DOESN'T WORK in my world.
I had to relax into the fact that I am eating enough food and I am well nourished. I learned to trust my FOOD page and to pre-plan a little but not too much. The other thing that really helped me was/is eating two big meals and one smaller one and then not letting my mind always go to food as a solution to whatever is bothering me in between meals.
Two big meals, log the food. Call it good. I rarely obsess about food any more. I mean - if some treat food comes in my head and I must have it, then I plan for it and I have it. That eliminated the obsession with certain foods.
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I like all of the good advice you have gotten above, because no matter what method you use to lose the weight, you're going to need some method to maintain the loss, and for many people, cutting out whole food groups, in the absence of a health problem necessitating that move, is difficult to maintain. That being said, the "Atkins" method popular decades ago which worked for many many people (me included) was to limit carbs to 20 g per day for the first two weeks and gradually up them to ~35-40 g a day after that. Sustainable? nope Healthy? not really Constipation? yup But counting calories was not needed because that method of eating was self-limiting (hard to binge on hard boiled eggs as one does on cookies). Fast forward to now .... the digital scale method got me to the same healthy weight and has allowed me to stay within 10 # of it for the past 3 years. 10
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elsie6hickman wrote: »I don't know if this is helpful to you, but diabetics are told not to exceed 132 grams of carbs for the day. My husband and I watch both our carbs and our calories and we have both lost about 25 lbs. I do weigh our food.
Actually, the ADA recommendations for T2Dm are between 150-180 grams per day, depending on gender and weight.7 -
OP, you are regaining the weight after each diet you go on because you are reverting to the old habits of overeating. Any healthy way to lose weight will work, but you need to figure out what will be best way for you to maintain. Can you eat reduced carb to maintain? If so, go for it to lose weight too.12
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BlessedMom70 wrote: »I know so many say weight loss is all about calories in/calories out, and that does make sense...but I have been trying to lose 15 lbs for around 10 years and I'm frustrated. I know that's not a lot of weight to lose, but I feel better at a certain weight (my healthy weight).
I have counted calories on and off since I was 14 (!), and I have tried Weight Watchers. Last summer, I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic and started watching the carbs. I brought my A1C down to a normal level and lost weight in the process. I stopped eating low carb and the weight returned (so obviously I am going to have to make it a permanent change/lifestyle). My husband lost 50 lbs eating low carb and has kept it off for 3 years (he still watches the carbs but not as 'fanatically').
I am really starting to think that low carb is the only thing that works for me. What is considered low carb (ex: 100 net carbs a day)? And I know that eating low carb naturally results in eating a higher fat diet. Can anyone recommend good websites, books, etc to help me in this journey to finally lose the extra weight once and for all?
Why not just eat the number of carbs you were eating when you were on your version of a low-carb diet and it was working for you? There's no magic carb number that works for everybody in terms of helping them stick to a calorie deficit (because helping you stick to a calorie deficit is the only way, long-term, that a low-carb diet helps you lose weight). You don't need to find out what other people consider a low-carb diet. If their definition isn't the right number for you to support your adherence to a deficit, it's completely pointless to go by their definition.17 -
I like all of the good advice you have gotten above, because no matter what method you use to lose the weight, you're going to need some method to maintain the loss, and for many people, cutting out whole food groups, in the absence of a health problem necessitating that move, is difficult to maintain. That being said, the "Atkins" method popular decades ago which worked for many many people (me included) was to limit carbs to 20 g per day for the first two weeks and gradually up them to ~35-40 g a day after that. Sustainable? nope Healthy? not really Constipation? yup But counting calories was not needed because that method of eating was self-limiting (hard to binge on hard boiled eggs as one does on cookies). Fast forward to now .... the digital scale method got me to the same healthy weight and has allowed me to stay within 10 # of it for the past 3 years.
Atkins can be "healthy", fat is not the enemy btw. People make Atkins unhealthy with fat sources..... I mean, I don't do Atkins, but to each their own.5 -
BlessedMom70 wrote: »I know so many say weight loss is all about calories in/calories out, and that does make sense...but I have been trying to lose 15 lbs for around 10 years and I'm frustrated. I know that's not a lot of weight to lose, but I feel better at a certain weight (my healthy weight).
I have counted calories on and off since I was 14 (!), and I have tried Weight Watchers. Last summer, I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic and started watching the carbs. I brought my A1C down to a normal level and lost weight in the process. I stopped eating low carb and the weight returned (so obviously I am going to have to make it a permanent change/lifestyle). My husband lost 50 lbs eating low carb and has kept it off for 3 years (he still watches the carbs but not as 'fanatically').
I am really starting to think that low carb is the only thing that works for me. What is considered low carb (ex: 100 net carbs a day)? And I know that eating low carb naturally results in eating a higher fat diet. Can anyone recommend good websites, books, etc to help me in this journey to finally lose the extra weight once and for all?
Eating low carb doesn't necessarily result in a higher fat diet. There's a website called Carbs & Cals that has info, low calorie recipe and carb counter books. They also have a app called Carbs & Cals. It's UK based but they may ship to where you are. It might be helpful to attend a diabetes food course to learn about portion sizes, how to eat nutritiously, what low carb is about, how to keep your blood glucose stable. Your A1C may be at a normal level, but forewarned is forearmed, and a food course might help clear any confusion you have about carbs and diet in general, and enable you to work out a way of eating optimally so your A1C stays in the normal range.6 -
elsie6hickman wrote: »I don't know if this is helpful to you, but diabetics are told not to exceed 132 grams of carbs for the day. My husband and I watch both our carbs and our calories and we have both lost about 25 lbs. I do weigh our food.
Not universally. I’m type 1, and my dietitian said to aim for between 1 and 1.5 gm of carb per pound of body weight.2 -
Yes I’ve found carbs do not like me especially the complex ones like bread rice pasta and potatoes
I’ve been doing low carb now for 7 weeks and lost just under 14 kilo
But saying that I had 40kg to lose so it will come off a bit faster for me
I definitely think it’s worth trying something different given how long you have been trying
There’s nothing more disappointing then doing the hard yards for weeks with no result
Best of luck to you13 -
BlessedMom70 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Weight battles are never over. People regain on low carb, high carb, Keto.... where you counting calories STRICTLY when you stopped doing lower carb? I am not criticising you? I am just curious.
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. I don't weigh food...I feel that I am obsessive enough with keeping track of every calorie I consume on an app. I really hate that this has consumed a good part of my life. I was 14 when I started counting calories (back then, it was on paper...lol)...and I am 48 now! Ughhhhhhhhh
Emphasis mine. If you aren't weighing, you aren't keeping track of every calorie; you might not even be all that close. Portion sizes can vary dramatically from what is published. CICO is just a law of physics; what you do to make it work for you instead of against you may be different than what I do. If you consume fewer calories than you burn when you concentrate on eating less carbs, then it will work.19
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