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  • sarahwardy1971sarahwardy1971 Posts: 8Member, Premium Member Posts: 8Member, Premium Member
    I love bacon 🤣🤣🤣
  • Murlin54Murlin54 Posts: 80Member Member Posts: 80Member Member
    I am aware that scientific studies can skew in either direction in many cases but for those in doubt about the research done on IF, there is an explanation why a calories are not as important as we are lead to believe when it comes to principles behind fasting. On the diet that advised 6 small meals a day, or regular diet friendly meals and a couple of snacks, the principle behind fasting explains that each meal with carb content raises your insulin. Thus with snacks and/or mini-meals, you are keeping insulin in play. This is why fasting is recommended to diabetics or pre-diabetics and has been very effective. The proponents will explain that in early times we did not have grocery stores on every corner. Primitive man was used to a feast or famine existance. When food was scarce you went hungry. When you killed a large mammal, fat and protein was available. The science is not solid yet (and we all know how science gets revised over time, ie: baby on back, baby on stomach, yada yada) but if you research 'autophagy' and check out some information on IF, you will see where the science is coming from. There are differing opinions on when autophagy actually takes effect however the claim is that you can heal your illnesses, shrink the loose skin you acquire with normal dieting and lengthen your telemeres, thereby essentially slowing the aging process and healing the body. There are several TED talks on the subject and many doctors on youtube and elsewhere that can explain the science behind the theory. It does make sense actually, but I do use the word theory, because the science is like all science; subject to continued research.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28715993
    https://idmprogram.com/
    Lots of info in the links on the above website (also Dr. Berg on youtube explains using lots of 'science'.

    edited February 9
  • Murlin54Murlin54 Posts: 80Member Member Posts: 80Member Member
    This is a good podcast on why the calorie in/calorie out method doesn't work for everyone and why fasting can resolve the problem and make it easier to lose and maintain weight loss in the long term. https://obesitycodepodcast.com/listen/
    edited February 9
  • CharlieBeansmomTraceyCharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,694Member Member Posts: 7,694Member Member
    Murlin54 wrote: »
    This is a good podcast on why the calorie in/calorie out method doesn't work for everyone and why fasting can resolve the problem and make it easier to lose and maintain weight loss in the long term. https://obesitycodepodcast.com/listen/

    calorie in vs calorie out is a energy equation and it applies to ALL ways of eating. so if it doesnt work for someone then their calories in are either more than their calories out, or they are the same. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26571283

    also its very easy to overeat doing fasting and gaining weigh as well. Ive been doing IF for over 3 decades and I have gained weight(became obese) fasting, I have lost weight(eating less than I burn) and I have maintained(eating the same amount I burn). the only way fasting works for weight loss is IF it puts that person into an calorie(energy) deficit.
  • sweeetypie1sweeetypie1 Posts: 50Member Member Posts: 50Member Member
    wren176 wrote: »
    For all my peers that are questioning what I eat here it is. I eat about 1,500 calories a day. I do intermittent fast one day a week and possibly a second day later in the week if I feel like it. Before judging me, yes I do eat bacon for breakfast pretty much every day. If I fasting I do not eat again till breakfast the next morning. The intermittent fasting was started at the suggestion of my dr due to the fact it increases insulin sensitivity in type 2 diabetics. I work in healthcare and I’m lucky enough to work with my dr. I get feedback on my condition everyday. She keeps track of my progress and is amazed! I started as a class 3 morbidly obese woman and in 112 days I am only 18 pounds from being just “overweight” besides the fact I no longer have palpitations or have to take my diabetes medication. You know what else she recommended? Lifting heavy things. So I toured gyms and chose a lifting program and started it. The bottom line is if I’m hungry I eat, if not I don’t.

    Hi Wren. I didn't think you could fast when you are diabetic. So this worked for you? I'd like to try IF but I am diabetic and (type 2) and need to lose weight but don't want to have issues with sugar spikes and lows if I''m not eating.
    edited February 10
  • Murlin54Murlin54 Posts: 80Member Member Posts: 80Member Member
    Murlin54 wrote: »
    This is a good podcast on why the calorie in/calorie out method doesn't work for everyone and why fasting can resolve the problem and make it easier to lose and maintain weight loss in the long term. https://obesitycodepodcast.com/listen/

    calorie in vs calorie out is a energy equation and it applies to ALL ways of eating. so if it doesnt work for someone then their calories in are either more than their calories out, or they are the same. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26571283

    also its very easy to overeat doing fasting and gaining weigh as well. Ive been doing IF for over 3 decades and I have gained weight(became obese) fasting, I have lost weight(eating less than I burn) and I have maintained(eating the same amount I burn). the only way fasting works for weight loss is IF it puts that person into an calorie(energy) deficit.

    Watch this youtube video. Start at 8 minutes in and you'll skip a lot of preamble. Not saying you're wrong but just showing some current studies. Also don't know how legit Jason Fung is re: his theories but his argument for "The Calorie Deception" is also below. If you've done it for 3 years, then you have found what is true for you. I'm just trying it as a newbie because I've done the yoyo thing for many years since I gained weight with chemo, so I've been doing the research and then I'll see if it works for me. Note: I'm adding a space before the com so there won't be gigantic pictures of the videos embedded in my post. Can't figure out how to prevent it otherwise. A bit abnoxious, lol)

    (8 minutes in for the conclusion study found on PubMed)
    https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=8z5AlFPWEJA

    (Jason Fung, 'The Calorie Deception')
    https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=5F5o0a4p_3U
    edited February 10
  • CharlieBeansmomTraceyCharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,694Member Member Posts: 7,694Member Member
    fung has been debunked by many and I have been fasting more than 30 years not 3. and even times when I wasnt fasting and yes there were times. it made no difference in my health or anything else weight loss wasnt any different(providing the calories were the same). as long as Im eating in a deficit I lose weight whether IM fasting,not fasting,when I did keto(bad for me) or any other way of eating.

    fasting works for me because Im not a breakfast eater and never really was. the meal timing of IF works for me. like I said I have gained,lost and maintained fasting. same with not fasting. I have several health issues and IF made no difference in those things. as for watching the video no thanks as I see fung is associated with it and again has been debunked and proven to be false
  • CharlieBeansmomTraceyCharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,694Member Member Posts: 7,694Member Member
    Murlin54 wrote: »
    My take away from Dr. Fung and others with intermittent fasting is that they claim it is easier to not regain the weight if you get your insulin under control (get rid of insulin resistance) by using the fasting method. As far as debunking Fung, I don't know since I've only started to listen to the info on IF, but what I do know is I don't trust a lot of the health information we are given, especially if it comes from mainstream media sources. Our entire economy in the US is so heavily pharmaceutical and medically driven that it really doesn't behoove those behind the curtain to make us all healthy. The USA is terrible when it comes to allowing toxins and suspected cancer causing chemicals into our food supply. Several ingredients that have been allowed to remain in our food supply that have been banned in many other countries is really shameful. One ingredient (I read recently, but I forget which one) that has been banned in most countries but not here, China allows 50 ppb, whereas we allow 75 ppb. Worse than China! So at my age (64.5) I have to work very hard to lose weight but worse than that is I have a very easy time gaining it back. So I'm giving IF a try to see if it works for me. The PubMed citation in the youtube video seemed to hold some weight. (no pun intended)

    fasting doesnt make the weight loss any easier unless it helps you to stick to a calorie deficit. as for insulin and getting it under control and making it easier not to gain the weight back? no you can prevent gaining the weight back by not going back to old habits and not overeating. it really has nothing to do with insulin. insulin is a normal body response and for some of course it can be unhealthy BUT, for someone like me who does not have IR or never has had it,I still gained weight eating too many calories while fasting.

    It doesnt make the weight loss any easier, it can help with those with insulin issues(such as type 2) help regulate their insulin while they are fasting, but it has nothing to do with weight loss, now for them it may help with their hunger cues and fasting for them can help prevent being as hungry compared to if they werent fasting. but its not going to be that way for everyone. I know for me that if I dont weigh everything I eat I end up eating more than I think and that can slow down my weight loss or stop it completely. That may be what you are facing. There are studies and scientific proof out there that proves that IF in and of itself good for weight loss. what is is a calorie deficit. do a search on here there are many posts with links to these studies and others you may find helpful.
  • Murlin54Murlin54 Posts: 80Member Member Posts: 80Member Member
    Thanks, CBeansMom, I have been doing research. Lots of articles, TED talks etc. that support IF so I'm giving it a try. Easier for me for the last few weeks so maybe easier to stick with in the long run.
  • CharlieBeansmomTraceyCharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,694Member Member Posts: 7,694Member Member
    Murlin54 wrote: »
    Thanks, CBeansMom, I have been doing research. Lots of articles, TED talks etc. that support IF so I'm giving it a try. Easier for me for the last few weeks so maybe easier to stick with in the long run.

    well I will wish you luck with it and maybe it will be easier for you to stick with. for me it just comes naturally and has since I was a kid. so who knows.
  • mcjebusmcjebus Posts: 8Member Member Posts: 8Member Member
    This is how I got some of the last bit of weight off. I can't go to bed hungry so I would eat at like 6, 7 pm.
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