Do you ever comment on unrealistic logging by friends?
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It's interesting how many people on here are commenting that they don't even bother looking at their news feeds. Then I'm honestly curious why you have friends on here? I don't mean it in a bad or negative way. It's totally cool to do your own thing and not really want to get involved in all of that. And if its people you talk to regularly through message or some other way, obviously that is different. But why be friends with a bunch of strangers on here if you don't have any interest in interacting with what they post?
I don't offer unsolicited advice on calorie burns, but I certainly read the news feed and like and comment on people's stuff. I know that a lot of people get motivated to do more and post more when they are getting interaction. That is sometimes what can lead to logging daily activity with inappropriate burns, but it also inspires people to eat better and do more exercise.
Because I didn't ask to be their friend, they asked to be mine. If they want help or me to comment on something, they can ask. Some on here just collect people to pad out their friends list, kinda like how a lot of friends on Facebook makes you look important.
I don't ask to be someone's friend because I realized I'm very toxic to be around and since my depression is always on 11, I'm always toxic and nobody needs that shizzle in their life.10 -
annaskiski wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »When I first joined here I noticed a lot of people logging cleaning, breastfeeding, walking the mailbox, pushing a grocery buggy as exercise. I even asked if that was what we were supposed to be doing here because I couldn't understand why that stuff wasn't already included in daily activities. ( It was, I just didn't know yet)
These people said that the activities needed to be logged and that is why they are in the database.
I did some poking around and saw what formula mfp was using and then realized that those things are indeed accounted for in our activity level.
I thought it was ironic that those same people cried about not losing weight all the time.
The breastfeeding entry is valid, isn't it? Thought it was like 500 extra calories a day or something? How else would you log it? I guess you could change your activity level but that seems six of one a half dozen of the other.
Yes, you need to eat more breastfeeding since you are 'giving away' a bunch of your calories.
I suppose when non-moms see it as 'activity', it might be surprising. But consuming about 500 calories extra per day is recommended by all breastfeeding organizations...
Seen many have success on something I saw and pass on.
Don't take a deficit, but then don't account for the give-away calories. That is your deficit.
As the give-away becomes less and less as time goes on - it matches as the weight is lost and the rate should become less and less anyway.
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What and how people log is their own business unless they ask for help.4
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It's interesting how many people on here are commenting that they don't even bother looking at their news feeds. Then I'm honestly curious why you have friends on here? I don't mean it in a bad or negative way. It's totally cool to do your own thing and not really want to get involved in all of that. And if its people you talk to regularly through message or some other way, obviously that is different. But why be friends with a bunch of strangers on here if you don't have any interest in interacting with what they post?
I don't offer unsolicited advice on calorie burns, but I certainly read the news feed and like and comment on people's stuff. I know that a lot of people get motivated to do more and post more when they are getting interaction. That is sometimes what can lead to logging daily activity with inappropriate burns, but it also inspires people to eat better and do more exercise.
I have been using MFP for about 4 years now. When I started I added friends because that is what people do. I found reading the newsfeed posts somewhat inspiring at first. I never really interacted with my friends beyond liking posts. I never corrected someone's calorie burns even if they seemed high.
My friend list was only 20-30 people maximum and now is 15. I have not accepted a friend request for a long time. I just have not deleted all my "friends". I guess it seems like work when I don't have to do it. I don't look at my newsfeed anymore much less comment. I changed my settings some time ago so what I log doesn't show up in the newsfeed because people said it was annoying seeing all the updates. My formerly open diary is now private after reading some super negative comments here about food diaries that finally made me uncomfortable sharing it. So I think my relationship to these people on my friend list is neutral. I'm not looking at their stuff nor am I sharing my stuff any more.
I ultimately found that I get more out of interacting with people on the message board than the friend newsfeed.
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annaskiski wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »When I first joined here I noticed a lot of people logging cleaning, breastfeeding, walking the mailbox, pushing a grocery buggy as exercise. I even asked if that was what we were supposed to be doing here because I couldn't understand why that stuff wasn't already included in daily activities. ( It was, I just didn't know yet)
These people said that the activities needed to be logged and that is why they are in the database.
I did some poking around and saw what formula mfp was using and then realized that those things are indeed accounted for in our activity level.
I thought it was ironic that those same people cried about not losing weight all the time.
The breastfeeding entry is valid, isn't it? Thought it was like 500 extra calories a day or something? How else would you log it? I guess you could change your activity level but that seems six of one a half dozen of the other.
Yes, you need to eat more breastfeeding since you are 'giving away' a bunch of your calories.
I suppose when non-moms see it as 'activity', it might be surprising. But consuming about 500 calories extra per day is recommended by all breastfeeding organizations...
Seen many have success on something I saw and pass on.
Don't take a deficit, but then don't account for the give-away calories. That is your deficit.
As the give-away becomes less and less as time goes on - it matches as the weight is lost and the rate should become less and less anyway.
Yes, that is what I did. (in other words, eat at maintenance and don't log 'breastfeeding')
But some peeps want to, sooooo whatev..0 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »
I don’t have an indoor trainer-just a plain regular exercise bike. So I have to manually enter the distance - but not until after Garmin has altready synced my leisurely 0mph ride. It already has my cycling vo2max as “did you actually pedal?”. Clearly, Garmin is unimpressed with my cycling prowess.
I love it when I bust my rear in a workout and my Garmin lists it as "unproductive", lol
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annaskiski wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »When I first joined here I noticed a lot of people logging cleaning, breastfeeding, walking the mailbox, pushing a grocery buggy as exercise. I even asked if that was what we were supposed to be doing here because I couldn't understand why that stuff wasn't already included in daily activities. ( It was, I just didn't know yet)
These people said that the activities needed to be logged and that is why they are in the database.
I did some poking around and saw what formula mfp was using and then realized that those things are indeed accounted for in our activity level.
I thought it was ironic that those same people cried about not losing weight all the time.
The breastfeeding entry is valid, isn't it? Thought it was like 500 extra calories a day or something? How else would you log it? I guess you could change your activity level but that seems six of one a half dozen of the other.
Yes, you need to eat more breastfeeding since you are 'giving away' a bunch of your calories.
I suppose when non-moms see it as 'activity', it might be surprising. But consuming about 500 calories extra per day is recommended by all breastfeeding organizations...
Seen many have success on something I saw and pass on.
Don't take a deficit, but then don't account for the give-away calories. That is your deficit.
As the give-away becomes less and less as time goes on - it matches as the weight is lost and the rate should become less and less anyway.
Not everyone who breastfeeds burns 500 calories. The number may be accurate for people who have a young baby who nurses frequently, but for me it would have resulted in less than a .5 lb loss per week because I was nursing an older baby. I needed to log the calories from breastfeeding to keep supply up while still being able to lose a pound per week, and there was a lot of trial and error and looking at trends to be able to estimate the burn.
It's a good potential approach if someone is trying to tackle weight loss relatively soon after a baby's birth, but for others that approach could just result in frustration over why the scale is barely moving.1 -
It's interesting how many people on here are commenting that they don't even bother looking at their news feeds. Then I'm honestly curious why you have friends on here? I don't mean it in a bad or negative way. It's totally cool to do your own thing and not really want to get involved in all of that. And if its people you talk to regularly through message or some other way, obviously that is different. But why be friends with a bunch of strangers on here if you don't have any interest in interacting with what they post?
I don't offer unsolicited advice on calorie burns, but I certainly read the news feed and like and comment on people's stuff. I know that a lot of people get motivated to do more and post more when they are getting interaction. That is sometimes what can lead to logging daily activity with inappropriate burns, but it also inspires people to eat better and do more exercise.
Well for me, since I was one of the people who said that ........... yes some people get motivated more when they have personal interaction and so the friends and newsfeed thing works for them.
I am not one of those people and I would be quite happy with no MFP friends and I have never sent a friend request or responded to any of the Friends Wanted threads.
The only friends I have are those who for some reason sent me a friend request, early on I accepted them unconditionally because that's what you do.
I now respond to any saying I am not a good quality friend and really do not interact in the news feeds.
Probably all my former friends have now deleted me anyway.
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I'm a big believer in self-reliance/self-help. By not calling out BS, hopefully, overtime, said person will come to the realization that something is not right in terms of measuring accuracy, consistency, precision, etc. Best he/she learn the hard way through trial & error with gaining experience him/herself.1
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It's interesting how many people on here are commenting that they don't even bother looking at their news feeds. Then I'm honestly curious why you have friends on here? I don't mean it in a bad or negative way. It's totally cool to do your own thing and not really want to get involved in all of that. And if its people you talk to regularly through message or some other way, obviously that is different. But why be friends with a bunch of strangers on here if you don't have any interest in interacting with what they post?
One I know in real life. One I know from another forum. The other three are people who asked me and I thought “why not”, only one of them is regularly posting, so really I could get rid of the other two.
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It's interesting how many people on here are commenting that they don't even bother looking at their news feeds. Then I'm honestly curious why you have friends on here? I don't mean it in a bad or negative way. It's totally cool to do your own thing and not really want to get involved in all of that. And if its people you talk to regularly through message or some other way, obviously that is different. But why be friends with a bunch of strangers on here if you don't have any interest in interacting with what they post?
I don't offer unsolicited advice on calorie burns, but I certainly read the news feed and like and comment on people's stuff. I know that a lot of people get motivated to do more and post more when they are getting interaction. That is sometimes what can lead to logging daily activity with inappropriate burns, but it also inspires people to eat better and do more exercise.
I'm with you. I don't go down the list and like every auto update but I'll check in on diaries sometimes and share a thought (nice pretzels, whatever) or if they post something deliberate I'll make the effort to pay attention. Over time it narrows down to a few who are there consistently and you get friendly with them. I will say, the MFP feed format is brutal for trying to carry on extended back and forth, no threading or reliable notifications make it a drag. A lot of friends request are newcomers who see you on the board and "collect" friends in the hope that this audience or group will have some effect on their efforts, but as social media goes, this ain't that kind of tool. I go through and clear out inactive every now and then.2 -
After this thread got me thinking about it, I just thinned my list *way* down. One of the people I was going to keep because I enjoyed her posts so much was gone. Kind of a surprise as she was one of the few I replied to from time to time. I had gotten into the habit of just accepting requests without paying much attention.0
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CarvedTones wrote: »After this thread got me thinking about it, I just thinned my list *way* down. One of the people I was going to keep because I enjoyed her posts so much was gone. Kind of a surprise as she was one of the few I replied to from time to time. I had gotten into the habit of just accepting requests without paying much attention.
At least I know I didn't get cut.
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I was going to log my cleaning the bathroom, but I didn't want any PMs about logging those 8 calories when they should be accounted for in daily activity.5
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I keep my friend's list pretty small and we tend to engage with each other. I like reading the newsfeed, and I like their updates. Losing and maintaining weight is not easy, and it really helps to have like minded MFP friends. I still have some friends from 2012 when I started who have since become real life friends and facebook friends. As far as unrealistic logging I don't "CALL them out", but I do ask sometimes. Usually there is an very good reason and explanation for it, and we laugh about it some more. I do not accept a lot of requests - esp those without an email along with it, but the comments here about "they asked ME!" are funny. I mean you don't have to accept just because someone asks you? right? I know there are folks on here with literally THOUSANDS of friends and maybe "followers?" However if someone doesn't engage or isn't active that's just a #.3
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Every now and then I get a random friend request with no message from some 20 something guy. I usually look at their friend list to try to figure out what (or who) we would have in common. Invariably the list is filled with pretty 20 something girls. I always want to message them "Hi, got your friend request! So happy to have another friend to share grandkid pictures with!".
I have a very small friends list and I love them all. I'd cheerfully smack any one of them upside the head if they posted something completely delusional about exercise calories or diet choices, but since one of the many things we have in common is common sense I feel the apocalypse would probably happen before that day comes.7 -
Well I just created my own exercise and entered 500 calories for 5 minutes. I won't say what it is exactly, but I had just finished cleaning and scrubbing my cats litter boxes, and I don't think I'll eat pasta again for a while.
I know this is a little weird, but I'm also sure I lost a lot of calories. And this was the only way I could think of to make the MFP math work. I like the weekly net report.
It came over from MFP into Garmin Connect as a manual activity with no data. I deleted it in GC and it still seems to be here. Probably just screwed up my Garmin reports.3 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Well I just created my own exercise and entered 500 calories for 5 minutes. I won't say what it is exactly, but I had just finished cleaning and scrubbing my cats litter boxes, and I don't think I'll eat pasta again for a while.
I know this is a little weird, but I'm also sure I lost a lot of calories. And this was the only way I could think of to make the MFP math work. I like the weekly net report.
It came over from MFP into Garmin Connect as a manual activity with no data. I deleted it in GC and it still seems to be here. Probably just screwed up my Garmin reports.
I have no idea of what to do with a situation like that as I can't judge the number of calories lost. Fortunately, it has only happened once and I was not in the position to eat back any of those calories that day anyway as it required a home visit with an injection of Maxolon to settle it.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't even look at my feed, let alone comment on it. I'm a terrible friend.
Ya, I have a note in my profile that I am a terrible feed friend. If people friend request me expecting feed feedback without bothering to read that, that's on them 0 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »When I first joined here I noticed a lot of people logging cleaning, breastfeeding, walking the mailbox, pushing a grocery buggy as exercise. I even asked if that was what we were supposed to be doing here because I couldn't understand why that stuff wasn't already included in daily activities. ( It was, I just didn't know yet)
These people said that the activities needed to be logged and that is why they are in the database.
I did some poking around and saw what formula mfp was using and then realized that those things are indeed accounted for in our activity level.
I thought it was ironic that those same people cried about not losing weight all the time.
I used to log ordinary cooking and cleaning, and would always have several hundred calories left over that I didn't eat. Now I don't log those, and am much closer to hitting my calorie goal. Oddly, I was actually losing more consistently back then. (There are surely other factors involved, so let's not bother to problem solve this - if I ever actually want help I'll start a thread
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I logged 5 minutes of vacuuming for an outrageous 13 calories.
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CarvedTones wrote: »Sometimes I see things in my news feed and think about trying to politely say there is no way in he11 you burned that many calories in that much time doing that activity, but I never do. If it was an IRL friend, I would say something as politely as I could. Here, I just shake my head and ignore it. Sometimes I wonder if I should say something; maybe they really have no idea. OTOH, I don't want to come across as a know it all jerk.
If you’re going to say something out of concern please check your numbers first. I have many days where I burn 1000-1500 calories because I run for 2 hours AND swim or go for a hike too. My page only shows one exercise and the total calorie burn.
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kshama2001 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't even look at my feed, let alone comment on it. I'm a terrible friend.
Ya, I have a note in my profile that I am a terrible feed friend. If people friend request me expecting feed feedback without bothering to read that, that's on them
Now there's a good idea - I will do likewise and then anyone who friend requests me knows what to expect or to reconsider their request.
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On cardio I go by an online calculator. If I have been wearing my Fitbit I go by what it says.0
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SummerSkier wrote: »I keep my friend's list pretty small and we tend to engage with each other. I like reading the newsfeed, and I like their updates. Losing and maintaining weight is not easy, and it really helps to have like minded MFP friends. I still have some friends from 2012 when I started who have since become real life friends and facebook friends. As far as unrealistic logging I don't "CALL them out", but I do ask sometimes. Usually there is an very good reason and explanation for it, and we laugh about it some more. I do not accept a lot of requests - esp those without an email along with it, but the comments here about "they asked ME!" are funny. I mean you don't have to accept just because someone asks you? right? I know there are folks on here with literally THOUSANDS of friends and maybe "followers?" However if someone doesn't engage or isn't active that's just a #.
I kind of love having a bunch of weird friends some of whom I have nothing in common with except MFP - it makes me happy seeing how different people can be. I'm not a very good supporter probably but I do try to think kind thoughts and hit the "like" button once in a while. On other forums I've done the forum friends become real life friends thing, and it's also great in its way, but sometimes it's not necessary.1 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Well I just created my own exercise and entered 500 calories for 5 minutes. I won't say what it is exactly, but I had just finished cleaning and scrubbing my cats litter boxes, and I don't think I'll eat pasta again for a while.
I know this is a little weird, but I'm also sure I lost a lot of calories. And this was the only way I could think of to make the MFP math work. I like the weekly net report.
It came over from MFP into Garmin Connect as a manual activity with no data. I deleted it in GC and it still seems to be here. Probably just screwed up my Garmin reports.
Did it correct the math yet for that past day?
I noticed when I did manual things, even adding a workout had a delay to correcting the daily burn, but deleting something really took awhile.
Throw in the syncing of the workout to MFP that I removed, really bad.
I think that was at the start of using the Garmin VIVO whatever, and I experimented with tracking a workout on it, while I did on the 310XT also, which got imported later after first workout logged.
At least it made it really clear to me my best order of updating things.1 -
You've probably got way more feedback than you need, but here are my 2 cents.
I don't often track my exercise calories in MFP, but the few times I've tracked them, I go with the calories that my Fitbit says I earned (I know those aren't perfect either, but in general I think it's close). I just log whatever amount of minutes comes to the calorie burn target I wanted, no matter how off it might be. I might not have burned 500 calories walking for 30 minutes, but I did burn 500 calories doing what I was doing. Because people do things their own way, there are plenty of times that your assumptions might be wrong.
But even when you're right, I do think that most people would rather not receive unsolicited advice, even if they are clueless and in denial. My weight and my weight loss process is intensely personal and I don't want anyone commenting on it unless we have a close relationship.
That said, there are times that unwanted advice can help people. I was on Weight Watchers before MFP, and on their message boards quite a few years ago, I received a bit of unsolicited advice that I hated. I disliked the advice-giver for a very long time before realizing that her original advice was dead on and was tremendously good advice, and over time I even grew to appreciate her blunt way of giving advice. (Those message boards are gone and I actually miss that lady a lot.) It kind of depends on your personality. If you are okay with some people disliking you, there are times that we need people who are blunt and honest. (And you can be blunt and honest without being a jerk, although some people will take it that way anyway.)2
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