Thin Healthy Mama Diet?
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
A quick look at their website shows the plan includes multiple recipes that result in a dish that has both carbohydrates and fat.
Here is an example: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/field-of-green-omcake-s/
Here is another: https://trimhealthymama.com/recipe/strawberry-kale-salad-s/
(Also, there's nothing wrong with eating carbohydrate and fat at the same time).
Even though it's still nonsense, I think the "carbs" meant as a no-no to combine with fat are starches.
Even if you buy that there's something magical about food combining, I'd love to know what's inherently slimming (as the blurb for the recipe seems to claim with it being able to help you push through weight stalls and all that) about that "omcake" absent context within someone's daily calorie allowance. Don't even get me started on "detoxing" with greens.
I know it's common to use "carbohydrates" to mean "starches," but I don't get why people do it when "starches" already does the job perfectly.
As lemurcat posted above, there's a general lack of literacy with the use of the term "carbs". People use it as short-hand to mean all sorts of things that include other macros and forget that it also means things like kale and raspberries. Add to this the common confusion between a refined carb and a simple carb and ... well.
Plans like THM do nothing to clear up this confusion.
Yeah, I should have written "I don't know why (besides nutritional ignorance) people do this."4 -
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
What you've listed here are an S meal for breakfast, an E meal for lunch and a Crossover for dinner. It looks like a perfect THM day. You're doing THM and you didn't even know it.
If I remember correctly, it's recommended that S meals have no more than 10 grams net carbs and E meals have no more than 5 grams fat.
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Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
What you've listed here are an S meal for breakfast, an E meal for lunch and a Crossover for dinner. It looks like a perfect THM day. You're doing THM and you didn't even know it.
If I remember correctly, it's recommended that S meals have no more than 10 grams net carbs and E meals have no more than 5 grams fat.
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KareninCanada wrote: »It's not a bad program at all. The core of it is, you don't eat carbs and fats together. Protein + fat, or protein + carb, but not carb + fat. Eat frequently, don't obsess over calories and good/bad foods, drink lots of water. They make use of some products like gluccomannan, collagen, oat fiber, apple cider vinegar, and so on. It can be as weird or as simple as you want to make it.
What I do find is that a lot of the followers of the plan, like any other plan, can become a little bit obsessive. I have their book, but I left the Facebook group because it was so full of constant worry and overthinking of ingredients and whether this or that food was "safe". I'm not in this because I want a new kind of bondage or burden, and honestly I don't believe that's what either Pearl or Serene wanted people to take away from their books.
Wait, so no avocado in salads? No vegetable stir fries or sautes? Or egg/tuna salad sandwiches?3 -
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
What you've listed here are an S meal for breakfast, an E meal for lunch and a Crossover for dinner. It looks like a perfect THM day. You're doing THM and you didn't even know it.
If I remember correctly, it's recommended that S meals have no more than 10 grams net carbs and E meals have no more than 5 grams fat.
Too many rules. Losing weight is difficult enough without crazy dieting rules or how to pair food.10 -
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet (protein and fat), with feta (fat and a little protein), vegetables (say asparagus, leeks, and spinach) (carbs), and then some fruit on the side (more carbs).
Lunch: turkey stew with beans, some ground turkey, and a tomato base with lots of vegetables. Again, carbs, protein, and I'd use some fat in the cooking even if the turkey is quite low fat, for taste and because fat tends to help with the absorption of some nutrients.
Dinner: salmon (protein and fat) with roasted new potatoes (carbs) and a mix of broccoli, cauliflower, and mushrooms (more carbs, and if I cook with a little olive oil, more fat), plus maybe a green salad with cucumber, carrots, and radishes on spring greens and a vinaigrette (again, carbs and fat).
There are a million alternatives, but they usually would include some fat, some protein, and some carbs -- for me that's what makes them most filling. Some people find lowering carbs is more filling, but they'd still (one hopes!) aim to eat some carbs (i.e., vegetables) at most or all meals, if also concerned about eating eating healthfully.
What you've listed here are an S meal for breakfast, an E meal for lunch and a Crossover for dinner. It looks like a perfect THM day. You're doing THM and you didn't even know it.
If I remember correctly, it's recommended that S meals have no more than 10 grams net carbs and E meals have no more than 5 grams fat.
Um, then the claim that they aren't mixing fat and carbs is false. And there's no eat tons of meals or whatever it was.
Anyway, the omelet with fruit on the side wasn't under 10 g of carbs. Using normal veg I'd log, it's about 17 g for the omelet alone, with a small serving of blueberries it's around 25 g. If I do cottage cheese instead of fruit (not uncommon), it's around 20 g. If I have plain greek yogurt instead of cottage cheese, it's 22 g.
It's extremely rare for me to have any meals with less than 5 g of fat, I suspect. (I had a smoothie for breakfast today, since I was lazy, wanted to use up my homemade almond milk, and felt like one after running, despite the weather, and even it had 16 g of fat (from almonds, mostly).
Also, I don't worry about how much fat and carbs are in my meals, which makes it apparently different from THM, and means I avoid made-up, pointless rules (my rules are based on my own ideas about nutrition and what tends to work for me).6 -
Personally, I prefer to eat at least some fat (5g is trivial!) with any and all veggies (ooo, way more than 10g carbs!). I know one strictly needn't combine slavishly at each meal, but I want best odds of absorbing all the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) I'm eating.
Here's the thing that really gets me, though, with all these rules-y ways of eating: What are the odds that evolution designed human omnivores, over thousands of years of surviving feast, famine, varied geography and climate, to best thrive only by following a bunch of intricate rules about when to eat, how to combine foods, etc.?
Sometimes I think us (relatively) wealthy modern first-worlders are Just Nuts.
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Personally, I prefer to eat at least some fat (5g is trivial!) with any and all veggies (ooo, way more than 10g carbs!). I know one strictly needn't combine slavishly at each meal, but I want best odds of absorbing all the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) I'm eating.
Here's the thing that really gets me, though, with all these rules-y ways of eating: What are the odds that evolution designed human omnivores, over thousands of years of surviving feast, famine, varied geography and climate, to best thrive only by following a bunch of intricate rules about when to eat, how to combine foods, etc.?
Sometimes I think us (relatively) wealthy modern first-worlders are Just Nuts.
^This. And like you, I prefer to eat fat with my veggies, just in case.2 -
I don't understand why people try to make losing weight so complicated... what is the point in creating all these arbitrary rules about how to combine different foods? It seems so silly to me. Don't you have more important things to worry about and spend your time on?
ETA, it's a money making racket. MLM scheme. Don't waste your time or your money. It's not necessary.5 -
I'm on the "Old Chubby Grandpa" diet. Basically eat what ever Grandma puts in front of you. Guaranteed to lose - hair, teeth, memories.8
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I've lost 60lbs so far with Trim Healthy Mama. The whole purpose of the book is to teach you how to eat specifically for your own body. Fuels are separated to lose weight, combined to maintain. It isn't a low carb or low fat diet. It is more low glycemic. It isn't this food or that food is taboo, it is moderation. The book explains how food is processed by your body. It explains how different foods heal and restore your body. How your body is effected by hormone deficiency, and what you can do to restore them to regain balance (physically and emotionally). The main focus is healing the body, weight loss is a perk. From personal experience, I no longer have the aches or pains that I used to in my joints or feet. Inflammation of scar tissue (5 c-sections) doesn't happen anymore either. My mom's sugar levels were FINALLY balanced. Cholesterol and blood pressure coming down/ being restored. Ladies who have suffered PCOS getting pregnant from their bodies healing- that's HUGE!! Again, their hearts are in seeing people healed and the weight is the perk, not the priority. Look the ladies up. This is what they are creating, The Butterfly Institute in Nashville, https://thebutterflyinstitute.org/about/ in order to help heal the WHOLE individual. It's amazing what a little research of your own instead of here say reveals...12
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Does the plan give you a specific calorie allowance for your individual needs or does it promote the same plan for a small mature person as for a 6'4 rugby playing youth?
It is not a calorie counting thing at all (obviously, eat a piece of cake or a whole cake it will come into play.) The point is food freedom. You are eating per meal, not per day. What your body needs in regards to carbs or fats will be different than mine. You eat 'til you are satisfied. Some days that means you have alot leftover, and some days (like myself) you'll out eat your husband! What your body needs to work it's best may be more carbs where mine may do better with more fats. You figure it out as you go along what works for you. If you are stalling or gaining, adjust your fuel source. Or another example, if I eat too many carbs, my joints and scar tissue will ache. So I'll adjust and eat not as many carby meals and focus on my fats. You aren't making a separate meal from your family either. A simple addition of a side dish or you not partaking of a side can keep you where you want to be (figure buttered veggies for fat or maybe brown rice for carb). You eat it or you don't. No biggie, and your family is all eating the same thing.6 -
esapphire5181 wrote: »The book explains how food is processed by your body.
From what was reported about the plan upthread, as well as your own report about fuels being separated to lose weight, it certainly seems like the book explains in an incorrect manner how food is supposedly, but not really processed by the body.7
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