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What commonly given MFP Forum advice do you personally disagree with?
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Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
@quiksylver296 does it to me all the time.....
This isn't limited to running.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
@quiksylver296 does it to me all the time.....
I was belittling myself this weekend at the end of my fifteen-miler when it felt like my sports bra was chafing its way into my internal organs and my nose was freezing.
Such a great hobby, janejellyroll, wow, you really know how to have a great time, don't you? Some people take up knitting or swim in a heated pool, but you thought training for a marathon in the middle of winter would be cool . . .
I belittled myself all through training for my first 5K, but there was a method to my madness. To me, "running" always meant "sprinting". As in, "give it everything I have right out of the gate... and get winded 100 meters or so later". So, I lied to myself and told me it was a run, not a race. I also told myself that I was 46, this was my first run, and that the competition was going to include people who'd been running for years, people younger than me, people with longer legs than mine, people who might be on their high school or college track and field teams, possibly marathon runners... so, just calm down, accept I wasn't going to win this thing, and just focus on finishing.
(I was right and wrong. I finished 51st out of 500 overall, but 1st among women in my age bracket—45–49)16 -
You can eat your calories burned from working out. I don't like this advice.38
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Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
@quiksylver296 does it to me all the time.....
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CurlyGirl_OnKeto wrote: »You can eat your calories burned from working out. I don't like this advice.
But that's how this website is set up to work... :huh:21 -
CurlyGirl_OnKeto wrote: »You can eat your calories burned from working out. I don't like this advice.
Why wouldn't you? As @quiksylver296 pointed out, the calculations here are designed for you to.9 -
CurlyGirl_OnKeto wrote: »You can eat your calories burned from working out. I don't like this advice.
How does your car run without fuel?17 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
@quiksylver296 does it to me all the time.....
I was belittling myself this weekend at the end of my fifteen-miler when it felt like my sports bra was chafing its way into my internal organs and my nose was freezing.
Such a great hobby, janejellyroll, wow, you really know how to have a great time, don't you? Some people take up knitting or swim in a heated pool, but you thought training for a marathon in the middle of winter would be cool . . .
I belittled myself all through training for my first 5K, but there was a method to my madness. To me, "running" always meant "sprinting". As in, "give it everything I have right out of the gate... and get winded 100 meters or so later". So, I lied to myself and told me it was a run, not a race. I also told myself that I was 46, this was my first run, and that the competition was going to include people who'd been running for years, people younger than me, people with longer legs than mine, people who might be on their high school or college track and field teams, possibly marathon runners... so, just calm down, accept I wasn't going to win this thing, and just focus on finishing.
(I was right and wrong. I finished 51st out of 500 overall, but 1st among women in my age bracket—45–49)
Those are some great results! Clearly you are an expert self-belittler.
Seriously, I enjoy racing so much more when I approach it as a run and do my best without worrying about where I place (not that I don't enjoy it when I wind up doing well!).0 -
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you thought training for a marathon in the middle of winter would be cool . . . [/i][/quote]
Yeah, it was cold this morning. Tell me again why winter running in the dark is fun? Maybe I should train in the summer? No - wait it's too hot in Texas in the summer to run far. If I only could run in a climate controlled environment - treadmills! No - wait - I hate those things.
Couldn't someone just pass the doughnuts please?
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CurlyGirl_OnKeto wrote: »You can eat your calories burned from working out. I don't like this advice.
Then you don't understand it. Nothing about it to not like.5 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
@quiksylver296 does it to me all the time.....
WTF is that?3 -
garystrickland357 wrote: »
Yeah, it was cold this morning. Tell me again why winter running in the dark is fun? Maybe I should train in the summer? No - wait it's too hot in Texas in the summer to run far. If I only could run in a climate controlled environment - treadmills! No - wait - I hate those things.
Couldn't someone just pass the doughnuts please?
Summer running can be a drag too. I can find something to complain about in every season!
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I really wish I could step out of work for a couple hours and go for a run right now. Beautiful and sunny, maybe a bit cold but I can dress for that fine. But by the time I get home after work it's dark.2
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Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
@quiksylver296 does it to me all the time.....
WTF is that?
I think she's implying you have incendiary undergarments.6 -
I might get roasted for this, but I think micros do matter not just macros. People should eat nutrient dense foods as often as possible. Also, I think grains should not be a staple and that you should get your carbs largely from gluten free starches (potato, rice, etc) and fruits.22
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Tacklewasher wrote: »I really wish I could step out of work for a couple hours and go for a run right now. Beautiful and sunny, maybe a bit cold but I can dress for that fine. But by the time I get home after work it's dark.
Aren't you the boss? Just go
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Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
@quiksylver296 does it to me all the time.....
WTF is that?
I think she's implying you have incendiary undergarments.
Or really bad gas.2 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
@quiksylver296 does it to me all the time.....
WTF is that?
I think she's implying you have incendiary undergarments.
Or really bad gas.
Or both. Not a good mix.4 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »I really wish I could step out of work for a couple hours and go for a run right now. Beautiful and sunny, maybe a bit cold but I can dress for that fine. But by the time I get home after work it's dark.
Dark when I wake up, dark when I leave work. It's such a depressing time of year!0 -
I might get roasted for this, but I think micros do matter not just macros. People should eat nutrient dense foods as often as possible. Also, I think grains should not be a staple and that you should get your carbs largely from gluten free starches (potato, rice, etc) and fruits.
I've never seen anywhere here claim that we don't need micronutrients, although I have no idea why people should avoid grains and gluten.16 -
I might get roasted for this, but I think micros do matter not just macros. People should eat nutrient dense foods as often as possible. Also, I think grains should not be a staple and that you should get your carbs largely from gluten free starches (potato, rice, etc) and fruits.
Obviously if you have celiac disease or diagnosed gluten intolerance you should avoid gluten. If not, there's nothing wrong with it.
I'm diabetic and know my tolerances for various carbs through blood sugar testing - for me, rice is one of the worst things I can eat, it spikes me like crazy. Potatoes on the other hand are fine. I have diabetic friends who are the opposite. If two people who have the same illness have such different reactions, it seems likely that overgeneralizing about healthy people is also a bad idea. Different people are different.14 -
CurlyGirl_OnKeto wrote: »You can eat your calories burned from working out. I don't like this advice.
Why.....that's how the tool (MFP) is designed to work.
If I didn't eat mine back, I'd be running a nearly a 2,000 calorie deficit per day.11 -
I might get roasted for this, but I think micros do matter not just macros.
Did you not read the posts before yours?
(TLDR: pretty much everyone agrees that nutrition is important.)Also, I think grains should not be a staple and that you should get your carbs largely from gluten free starches (potato, rice, etc) and fruits.
Rice is generally considered a grain. (So are corn and oats, neither of which has gluten.)
In any event, I would not agree that gluten is an issue or that tubers or rice are somehow inherently better than grains. I find potatoes filling, same with sweet potatoes and beans and lentils, and I like that beans and lentils have more protein, but many very healthful meals are based around grains.
I'd put vegetables and fruits (to a lesser degree) on a higher level of importance, but that doesn't mean I'd cut out other carbs.6 -
CurlyGirl_OnKeto wrote: »You can eat your calories burned from working out. I don't like this advice.
That's not advice... it's just the way MFP is designed. If a person doesn't see results that way, or doesn't lose at the expected rate, it points to logging errors or overestimating calorie burns.6 -
One thing that gets repeated ad nauseam, that is 100% true but kind of simplistic is "All you need to lose weight is to be in a caloric deficit". That's kind of like saying "All you need to win a hockey game is to score more goals than your opponent". Really, is that all? Well, now that I know I think I'll go get drafted by the NHL.
What about the specifics such as strategies for controlling appetite, keeping satiated, getting all the right nutrients, etc.? I can drink my daily calorie target in one sitting by just chugging on pop, but it won't give me any protein, vitamins or minerals and I'll be hungry in less than an hour. This is where things like the low-carb/keto/paleo diets come in handy for some people but people bash them because it's not just calorie counting. I had people jump down my throat once when I suggested eating less fruit because it's very high in sugar and leaves you hungry relatively soon after eating it.34 -
janejellyroll wrote: »FitAndLean_5738 wrote: »People trash talking cardio. I'm a runner and I enjoy running and I don't appreciate it when people talk about running as if it's going to kill you. Now I understand that some people don't like running and that's fine -- you have to find a workout program that works for you -- but the belittlement of people who like to run, or people who like cardio in general, sometimes makes me feel like running isn't a good workout and I should go to the gym to lift. Of course I never do that because I don't like going to the gym. I'd rather run outside and do calisthenics than go to the gym and lift weights. That's what works for me.
I also dislike the whole, "if you run you're going to eat up all your muscles" idea. Or the general cardio is going to cause your muscles to waste away and you're going to be left with all this flab and turn into a stringy, fat laden, skinny noodle person.
Where have you seen people who enjoy running being belittled here? I'm just curious because I don't think I've ever seen that.
I've seen it here, but not often. It's shown up occasionally, like in threads where people are talking about doing/liking whatever cardio (not always running) but wanting to add/preserve muscle and asking for help with that. Somebody comes in and says OP has to give up the long-form cardio (maybe do HIIT instead, of all things) because cardio just burns up muscle. Then others say that's stupid bro-vice, and the OP gets pointed to the "which lifting program" thread, and is told they'll be fine as long as they fuel their total exercise load.
So, yeah: Have seen it, but it pretty much gets poo-poo-ed and dismissed quickly.
There was one thread, though, where there was a more extended kind of a battle of JPGs, showing ultra-thin distance runners who had, to put it gently, a seeming lack of interest in upper body development. I'd link it, but I can't remember what it was.3 -
coderdan82 wrote: »One thing that gets repeated ad nauseam, that is 100% true but kind of simplistic is "All you need to lose weight is to be in a caloric deficit". That's kind of like saying "All you need to win a hockey game is to score more goals". Really, is that all? Well, now that I know I think I'll go get drafted by the NHL.
What about the specifics such as strategies for controlling appetite, keeping satiated, getting all the right nutrients, etc.? I can drink my daily calorie target in one sitting by just chugging on pop, but it won't give me any protein, vitamins or minerals and I'll be hungry in less than an hour. This is where things like the low-carb/keto/paleo diets come in handy for some people but people bash them because it's not just calorie counting. I had people jump down my throat once when I suggested eating less fruit because it's very high in sugar and leaves you hungry relatively soon after eating it.
macros vs. micro...at the macro level yes all you need to do to lose weight is have a caloric deficit - and all you other strategies fall to the micro level of planning and execution
re: the less fruit - that might be true for you - but for me, a banana can leave me satiated for several hours compared to other options5 -
coderdan82 wrote: »One thing that gets repeated ad nauseam, that is 100% true but kind of simplistic is "All you need to lose weight is to be in a caloric deficit". That's kind of like saying "All you need to win a hockey game is to score more goals". Really, is that all? Well, now that I know I think I'll go get drafted by the NHL.
What about the specifics such as strategies for controlling appetite, keeping satiated, getting all the right nutrients, etc.? I can drink my daily calorie target in one sitting by just chugging on pop, but it won't give me any protein, vitamins or minerals and I'll be hungry in less than an hour. This is where things like the low-carb/keto/paleo diets come in handy for some people but people bash them because it's not just calorie counting. I had people jump down my throat once when I suggested eating less fruit because it's very high in sugar and leaves you hungry relatively soon after eating it.
Does it seem remotely realistic to you that someone would be here logging their calories and decide to consume their entire goal in soda pop in the space of one hour?
Also, it may be true that fruit leaves *you* hungry after eating it, but that's not a universal thing. There are people who find fruit to be a great snack, which is why it can be so unhelpful to make generalizations about how different foods/macro goals impact people.16 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Does it seem remotely realistic to you that someone would be here logging their calories and decide to consume their entire goal in soda pop in the space of one hour?
My example was extreme on purpose to call out the fact that there are strategies to be worked out and some of the approaches people take get ridiculed even though they work for some people.janejellyroll wrote: »Also, it may be true that fruit leaves *you* hungry after eating it, but that's not a universal thing. There are people who find fruit to be a great snack, which is why it can be so unhelpful to make generalizations about how different foods/macro goals impact people.deannalfisher wrote: »re: the less fruit - that might be true for you - but for me, a banana can leave me satiated for several hours compared to other options
It was a suggestion, not a generalization.18 -
CurlyGirl_OnKeto wrote: »You can eat your calories burned from working out. I don't like this advice.
How does your car run without fuel?
Making comparisons on energy utilization between humans and cars...(><)
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