Use of 'Woo' reaction - negative reactions?
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nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea?
I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
But from a deficit point of view they are the same, that'll be why the woo-ing6 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
The reason you'll get woo'd is the bolded. Change that statement to "a calorie is a calorie, but not all foods are created equal" and you won't. A calorie is a unit of energy. It doesn't change from food to food. It is always a unit of energy.
Isn't that basically what I said? I am saying you can have 400 calories of Mcdonalds or 400 cals of a homemade meal. They are both equal to the same amount of energy, however one is better for you than the other.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
Boy, have I got a thread for you! "CICO, still skeptical? Come inside for a meticulous log that proves it." by Dvdgzz This will probably explain why you were woo'd.7 -
To the OP, here's a recent post of mine that was woo'd:
"When I started and wanted a bit more structure and to make sure I had a satisfying and filling diet, I focused on protein (getting to my total and getting in a reasonable portion of them at each of my chosen 3 meals) and vegetables. Basically I built my meals around them. I also watched fiber until I was comfortable that I was getting plenty.
Now I just try to stay mindful and eat a generally nutritious overall diet. In theory I still watch protein and fiber and veg, but I just kind of naturally eat in a way that hits my preferences for them.
I don't watch carbs and fat since I don't really care how much I get of either (in theory you can be too low in dietary fat but most people would have to work pretty hard to get there, and I'm naturally nowhere near that level).
What really mattered more for me than any macros was figuring out that I do best eating 3 meals per day and not snacking, as I tend to snack mindlessly, and prefer larger meals but not so large that I want to split my calories up more. Not saying this is true for anyone else, but figuring out if you do have things like this that make it easier can be helpful."
I also got woo'd for saying the gov't nutrition recs are generally pretty decent. With that one, I can see disagreeing, but it's clearly not "woo" in any respect. So I wish the label would reflect how it really seems to be used.
However, it is true that when there are lots and lots of woos and not just one or two, it's typically something that really is "woo."5 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
I think most successful people here fall somewhere between those 2 WOE, though, and to suggest that you can’t waver from option 2 has caused many a member to fall off the wagon. I haven’t been here nearly as long as some other folks, but you do see a lot of newbies thinking they have to eat nothing but lean protein and veggies or they won’t lose weight, when the fact is, as long as you eat in a calorie deficit, no matter what the food itself is, you’ll lose weight. This is also what people mean when they talk about it being a lifestyle. I need more variety in my diet. I’m going to eat the same way while I’m losing weight as I plan to eat when I’m at maintenance. There are no “good” or “bad” foods in isolation.
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witchaywoman81 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
In that case, it may have been “disagree” rather than “not true.” Personally, on most days I’d take the 300 calorie cookie over 300 calories of vegetables. Without being too graphic, 300 calories of vegetables would give me some serious bathroom issues. So I’ll have a 300 calorie cookie and maybe 25 calories of broccoli. 🤷♀️
Yeah, if you post an opinion about a food (including in the unpopular food opinions) it will usually get woo'd, I think in good fun.2 -
witchaywoman81 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
I think most successful people here fall somewhere between those 2 WOE, though, and to suggest that you can’t waver from option 2 has caused many a member to fall off the wagon. I haven’t been here nearly as long as some other folks, but you do see a lot of newbies thinking they have to eat nothing but lean protein and veggies or they won’t lose weight, when the fact is, as long as you eat in a calorie deficit, no matter what the food itself is, you’ll lose weight. This is also what people mean when they talk about it being a lifestyle. I need more variety in my diet. I’m going to eat the same way while I’m losing weight as I plan to eat when I’m at maintenance. There are no “good” or “bad” foods in isolation.
Exactly.quiksylver296 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
The reason you'll get woo'd is the bolded. Change that statement to "a calorie is a calorie, but not all foods are created equal" and you won't. A calorie is a unit of energy. It doesn't change from food to food. It is always a unit of energy.
Isn't that basically what I said? I am saying you can have 400 calories of Mcdonalds or 400 cals of a homemade meal. They are both equal to the same amount of energy, however one is better for you than the other.
but we can agree to disagree
Which is why my response to the bolded is "it depends." But we're talking about woo, not woe. Back to your regularly scheduled thread...6 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
The reason you'll get woo'd is the bolded. Change that statement to "a calorie is a calorie, but not all foods are created equal" and you won't. A calorie is a unit of energy. It doesn't change from food to food. It is always a unit of energy.
Isn't that basically what I said? I am saying you can have 400 calories of Mcdonalds or 400 cals of a homemade meal. They are both equal to the same amount of energy, however one is better for you than the other.
but we can agree to disagree
Again, it depends on context. If you were implying that a person can never eat at McDonalds to lose weight, or that a healthy diet can't include eating at McDonalds, that would be woo-worthy.6 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
The reason you'll get woo'd is the bolded. Change that statement to "a calorie is a calorie, but not all foods are created equal" and you won't. A calorie is a unit of energy. It doesn't change from food to food. It is always a unit of energy.
Isn't that basically what I said? I am saying you can have 400 calories of Mcdonalds or 400 cals of a homemade meal. They are both equal to the same amount of energy, however one is better for you than the other.
but we can agree to disagree
Again, it depends on context. If you were implying that a person can never eat at McDonalds to lose weight, or that a healthy diet can't include eating at McDonalds, that would be woo-worthy.
Way to bring it back around to the thread, @try2again!
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quiksylver296 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
The reason you'll get woo'd is the bolded. Change that statement to "a calorie is a calorie, but not all foods are created equal" and you won't. A calorie is a unit of energy. It doesn't change from food to food. It is always a unit of energy.
Isn't that basically what I said? I am saying you can have 400 calories of Mcdonalds or 400 cals of a homemade meal. They are both equal to the same amount of energy, however one is better for you than the other.
but we can agree to disagree
Off topic, but this is a common confusion. "A food" and "a calorie" are not synonyms, and when someone says all calories are the same, they don't mean that nutrition doesn't matter or that all foods are the same. They are saying that calories are what drive weight loss. Food choice affects nutrition and how easy it is to keep a deficit. "Calories" don't have nutritional properties -- foods have both calories and other qualities.
I mention this, since otherwise you might assume people are saying nutrition doesn't matter for any purpose when of course they are not.12 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »0
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Why not a simple thumbs down next to the thumbs up? There are some awfully helpful posts that have been "wooed". It's not helpful at all to do that and not leave a comment stating why.
It's MFP's official position that they don't want an overtly negative response option. (Even though "woo" often creates more negativity, IMO.)
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witchaywoman81 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
I think most successful people here fall somewhere between those 2 WOE, though, and to suggest that you can’t waver from option 2 has caused many a member to fall off the wagon. I haven’t been here nearly as long as some other folks, but you do see a lot of newbies thinking they have to eat nothing but lean protein and veggies or they won’t lose weight, when the fact is, as long as you eat in a calorie deficit, no matter what the food itself is, you’ll lose weight. This is also what people mean when they talk about it being a lifestyle. I need more variety in my diet. I’m going to eat the same way while I’m losing weight as I plan to eat when I’m at maintenance. There are no “good” or “bad” foods in isolation.
I 100% agree. Like I say I have balance in my diet and never deny myself any cravings. I drink beer on a weekend, I go out for meals with my boyfriend and have ice cream and chocolate. Within my calories (most of the time ).
I think my point has just been taken to an extreme and people think (maybe quite rightly if it has come across badly but personally I think we are leaping a little bit) that I am trying to say that is all you can eat. Rather than what I was tying to say of 'try and make a healthier choice'.
I know people are going to disagree with me again about what is a 'healthier choice' but I don't think my opinion will be much changed from fresh food > processed food, so the more fresh we can have, the better. In my opinion.
What I am taking away from this is...... we are here to express support and our opinions in order to help one another. As long as you are not suggesting unhealthy options like major restrictions to calories or extreme 'fad' diets then an opinion is an opinion. Take it or leave it to use in your own life.2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
If you post like this then don't be surprised to get disagreement and woos!
Would you like some examples in the context of a person's overall diet when a cookie is indeed better for them at that time? Come for a multi hour cycle ride with me and let me know if a salad or some high energy and easy to digest food hits the spot to fuel that ride.
Processed food includes a huge amount of extremely nutritionally valuable food. Some food is more nutritious when processed than when not. Try chewing on some unprocessed wheat...
There's very little food outside of raw vegetables and fruits that isn't processed in some way. It's naïve to think processed = bad.
All calories are indeed equal - a calorie is a unit of energy not of nutrition.
How about imagining a day when someone eats a nutritionally complete diet made up of whatever foods meet your personal approval and still has space for some treats and gets enjoyment from those treats?
Which approach do you think might be more sustainable not just for weight loss but for the rest of their lives?13 -
I think people would do better to just ignore things instead of wooing, though
As I mentioned, I don't even use the woo button. But the thing is, if a person comes out and makes a bogus claim ("ACV accelerates weight loss!"), it would be a disservice to all the impressionable people who are reading these forums desperate for weight loss to just let that go unchallenged. "Woo" was actually provided as a way to respond to these kinds of posts without multiple users ganging up on people with the same response. Ideally, I suppose, one person could just craft a pointed, well-written response and everyone could just "like" it, but it just never seems to work that way.
When someone posts something totally woo-ful (like your ACV example), how I respond depends on whether the woo has already been addressed with a few factual posts or not. If it hasn't, I will post to counter the misinformation. If it has, I will woo the original post and then like or insightful the factual posts that follow. This, hopefully, sends the message I'm intending it to, without me piling onto the thread with yet another post telling the OP why they are mistaken.
And honestly? Because the Woo button is still so obviously misunderstood, (witness the multitude of threads and posts about it!) it's about as useful as the "If every day were like today you'd weigh___ in five weeks" thing that happens when you close your food diary for the day 7 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
The reason you'll get woo'd is the bolded. Change that statement to "a calorie is a calorie, but not all foods are created equal" and you won't. A calorie is a unit of energy. It doesn't change from food to food. It is always a unit of energy.
Isn't that basically what I said? I am saying you can have 400 calories of Mcdonalds or 400 cals of a homemade meal. They are both equal to the same amount of energy, however one is better for you than the other.
but we can agree to disagree
You haven't seen me try to make a homemade meal
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Unfortunately, there have been multiple threads over the last year or so where we have all had IMHO very honest and enlightening conversations about the pros and cons of a negative reaction button, and it seems like the ambiguous woo is as close as we are going to get and not going anywhere. I'm not saying it's useless to continue talking about it, but folks should probably resign themselves to it being there.
I see no reason to get upset about one or two woos - they could be someone who thinks it's positive, someone could have accidentally hit it while scrolling on their phone, or maybe someone misread your post in haste. If you get a bunch of woos on a post and no one actually replies and you honestly have no idea why, I think quoting your post and asking if someone could explain why this post is getting all these woos because you'd like to understand is perfectly acceptable, assuming you are able to bear criticism and aren't going to turn it into an argument. In general though, I found spending a lot of time reading and learning before posting advice gave me a pretty good read of the room anyway. :drinker:7 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
If you post like this then don't be surprised to get disagreement and woos!
Would you like some examples in the context of a person's overall diet a cookie is indeed better for them at that time? Come for a multi hour cycle ride with me and let me know if a salad or some high energy and easy digest food hits the spot to fuel that ride.
Processed food includes a huge amount of extremely nutritionally valuable food. Some food is more nutritious when processed than when not. Try chewing on some unprocessed wheat...
There's very little food outside of raw vegetables and fruits that isn't processed in some way. It's naïve to think processed = bad.
All calories are indeed equal - a calorie is a unit of energy not of nutrition.
How about imagining a day when someone eats a nutritionally complete diet made up of whatever foods meet your personal approval and still has space for some treats and gets enjoyment from those treats?
Which approach do you think might be more sustainable not just for weight loss but for the rest of their lives?
Again, I totally agree, but my point is being taken to the extremes again.
Yeah, as I put in my previous comment, people are taking what I said to mean that no one can ever eat a cookie again in their life, which is not what I was saying.
I am going to stop defending my point now because I don't feel like what I said was extreme in anyway (my apologies if anyone took it that way, I tried very hard to put my opinion across in a way it wouldn't be misconstrued but I have obviously not done a very good job of that).
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nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
If you post like this then don't be surprised to get disagreement and woos!
Would you like some examples in the context of a person's overall diet a cookie is indeed better for them at that time? Come for a multi hour cycle ride with me and let me know if a salad or some high energy and easy digest food hits the spot to fuel that ride.
Processed food includes a huge amount of extremely nutritionally valuable food. Some food is more nutritious when processed than when not. Try chewing on some unprocessed wheat...
There's very little food outside of raw vegetables and fruits that isn't processed in some way. It's naïve to think processed = bad.
All calories are indeed equal - a calorie is a unit of energy not of nutrition.
How about imagining a day when someone eats a nutritionally complete diet made up of whatever foods meet your personal approval and still has space for some treats and gets enjoyment from those treats?
Which approach do you think might be more sustainable not just for weight loss but for the rest of their lives?
Again, I totally agree, but my point is being taken to the extremes again.
Yeah, as I put in my previous comment, people are taking what I said to mean that no one can ever eat a cookie again in their life, which is not what I was saying.
I am going to stop defending my point now because I don't feel like what I said was extreme in anyway (my apologies if anyone took it that way, I tried very hard to put my opinion across in a way it wouldn't be misconstrued but I have obviously not done a very good job of that).
I think the bigger point is that one or two woos means nothing much, so don't worry about it. Sometimes people don't read that carefully and jump to conclusions. One common tactic in the "a calorie is not a calorie" debate is to mix up "food" and "calorie" and to pose a somewhat ridiculous hypothetical such as "what if you eat equal calories of donuts vs. a balanced diet with protein and veg and healthy sources of fat, is that the same?" Since clearly no one (or very few) would even think to eat only donuts, and no one recommends ignoring nutrition, people see that kind of argument as strawmanning, so it might be something that gets woo'd (not by me, I'd just respond).
But for a broader discussion of the nutrition/calorie thing, probably better for another thread -- there's a good one or two available in Debate if interested.4 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
If you post like this then don't be surprised to get disagreement and woos!
Would you like some examples in the context of a person's overall diet a cookie is indeed better for them at that time? Come for a multi hour cycle ride with me and let me know if a salad or some high energy and easy digest food hits the spot to fuel that ride.
Processed food includes a huge amount of extremely nutritionally valuable food. Some food is more nutritious when processed than when not. Try chewing on some unprocessed wheat...
There's very little food outside of raw vegetables and fruits that isn't processed in some way. It's naïve to think processed = bad.
All calories are indeed equal - a calorie is a unit of energy not of nutrition.
How about imagining a day when someone eats a nutritionally complete diet made up of whatever foods meet your personal approval and still has space for some treats and gets enjoyment from those treats?
Which approach do you think might be more sustainable not just for weight loss but for the rest of their lives?
Again, I totally agree, but my point is being taken to the extremes again.
Yeah, as I put in my previous comment, people are taking what I said to mean that no one can ever eat a cookie again in their life, which is not what I was saying.
I am going to stop defending my point now because I don't feel like what I said was extreme in anyway (my apologies if anyone took it that way, I tried very hard to put my opinion across in a way it wouldn't be misconstrued but I have obviously not done a very good job of that).
People can only form an opinion on what you type - they can't be expected to know if what you actually think is different from the words on their screen.
Maybe avoid universal or absolute statements?
Avoiding the use of strawmen arguments like people eating their entire diet in convenience foods to try and show why broccoli is better than cookies might be a good idea too? (In reality they are just different foods rather than good or bad).
What I think you mean isn't extreme but what you actually wrote wasn't well thought through - sorry!4 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »Without seeing the context of the post it's hard to say, but remember some people use the 'woo' reaction as 'woo hoo!' My advice: ignore it completely, or use it as a source of amusement.
It was on the 5lbs January weight loss challenge. I posted my weekly update and stated that I lost 4lbs since last Sunday.
Thank you for your advice, it is appreciated
Likely reason for getting negatively woo-d is because 4lbs a week is a huge loss. BUT considering you probably also just started, and most initial big losses are water weight as well as fat weight it's probably not anything worrisome I think woos happen as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like that, honestly.
I thought that myself but would never judge someone else unless I knew the facts. I couldn't starve myself (just not built that way 😂). I just don't think people realise how much their reactions affect people. It put me right off posting tbh.
You guys are cool though, you can stay 👍
Maybe it would help to see how stupid some of these woo's are.
I got one for:I don't drink coffee, but that's because even the smell of it nauseates me. I do drink other beverages with caffeine (tea and diet colas).
Does someone question that I get nauseated by the smell of coffee? Or am I lying about drinking tea and diet cola?
There is no point in taking them seriously. I figure if someone is serious about questioning my post, they will actually question it.
ETA: And I doubt it's a woo-hoo, because who would woo-hoo nausea? I got booed (or rather got a comment so I assumed that's why this person booed it) because I suggested that 300 cals of veg would be better for you than 300cals of cookies. How dare I state that vegetables are good for you!
Depends on the context. If you were implying that people shouldn't have cookies as part of an overall healthy diet, that will get wooed. Or if you were suggesting that 300 calories of vegetables is better for weight loss than 300 calories of cookies. Everyone knows that vegetables have more nutrition than cookies, but a calorie is a calorie.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, it is a fact that vegetables are going to be better for you than cookies. Fresh food trumps processed food every day of the week. I am all for balance and my diet is by no means perfect and am certainly not a nutritionist or doctor and don't claim to be, however..... a calorie is a calorie yes, but not all calories are created equal...
Imagine a day full of food like this - Mcdonalds Breakfast 400cals, Greggs Pasty and cookie, 600cals, Pot Noodle 400 cals. total cals 1400calories
or this: Porridge with banana and honey 350cals, chicken salad with couscous and dressing/sauce 400cals, Homemade spaghetti bolagnese 500cals, snacks - yogurt 100cal, fruit 50cals total cals 1400
I know which one I would be going for. That was kind of the point I was trying to get to. Obviously it is difficult to put that across without a massive essay.
The reason you'll get woo'd is the bolded. Change that statement to "a calorie is a calorie, but not all foods are created equal" and you won't. A calorie is a unit of energy. It doesn't change from food to food. It is always a unit of energy.
Isn't that basically what I said? I am saying you can have 400 calories of Mcdonalds or 400 cals of a homemade meal. They are both equal to the same amount of energy, however one is better for you than the other.
but we can agree to disagree
Again, it depends on context. If you were implying that a person can never eat at McDonalds to lose weight, or that a healthy diet can't include eating at McDonalds, that would be woo-worthy.
You are quite right. It does depend on context. So to be clear... no I am not saying that you can never lose weight if you eat a McDonalds sometimes.4
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