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Fatty_Nuff wrote: »
I already have. they don't provide any nutritionists or dieticians for my plan. once I pass the bar and get a job somewhere i'll be put on a group plan which does cover more stuff. right now--i'm out of luck2 -
Fatty_Nuff wrote: »
I already have. they don't provide any nutritionists or dieticians for my plan. once I pass the bar and get a job somewhere i'll be put on a group plan which does cover more stuff. right now--i'm out of luck
Good plan to increase to 1500, then: With insurance limitations, you don't want to experience any unnecessary health consequences!
The online calculators suggest your current sedentary calorie burn is probably around 4000, so 1500 would still be around 5 pounds a week, which could still be aggressive at your size. (Things like gall bladder problems can happen with too fast loss, for example.) Stay healthy!
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Fatty_Nuff wrote: »
I already have. they don't provide any nutritionists or dieticians for my plan. once I pass the bar and get a job somewhere i'll be put on a group plan which does cover more stuff. right now--i'm out of luck
Good plan to increase to 1500, then: With insurance limitations, you don't want to experience any unnecessary health consequences!
The online calculators suggest your current sedentary calorie burn is probably around 4000, so 1500 would still be around 5 pounds a week, which could still be aggressive at your size. (Things like gall bladder problems can happen with too fast loss, for example.) Stay healthy!
I went to the doctor about 2 months ago and I don't have diabetes or heart disease or high blood pressure now. I just want to be as healthy as I can be. Thanks1 -
okay everyone i'll increase it to 1500cals a day
Is that what mfp gives you? At your weight, I’m betting you can eat even more than that and still yield consistent losses.
ETA I see @AnnPT77 ‘s comment above mine. That’s still a rather larger deficit. Do what mfp tells you and see how it works for a month or 2.0 -
witchaywoman81 wrote: »okay everyone i'll increase it to 1500cals a day
Is that what mfp gives you? At your weight, I’m betting you can eat even more than that and still yield consistent losses.
ETA I see @AnnPT77 ‘s comment above mine. That’s still a rather larger deficit. Do what mfp tells you and see how it works for a month or 2.
Mfp’s limit is wayyyy too high. I won’t lose all the weight on their system until I’m 40
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witchaywoman81 wrote: »okay everyone i'll increase it to 1500cals a day
Is that what mfp gives you? At your weight, I’m betting you can eat even more than that and still yield consistent losses.
ETA I see @AnnPT77 ‘s comment above mine. That’s still a rather larger deficit. Do what mfp tells you and see how it works for a month or 2.
Mfp’s limit is wayyyy too high. I won’t lose all the weight on their system until I’m 40
How do you know this though? Have you tried it?
I’ve already told you some reasons why I think you need to eat more, but here’s another. I see this alllll the time. A woman posts on mfp (yes, I realize you are male) with a considerable amount of weight to lose. They want to lose it all as soon as humanly possible. They choose the lowest possible calorie goal they can (1200 calories/day). They are losing weight and everything is fine. This honeymoon period lasts a few weeks to a couple months. Then, inevitably, life happens. They realize they’re starting to feel hungry. They start getting sloppy with their logging. They start eyeballing portions. Their weight loss stalls, but their diary still tells them they’re in a deficit. Inevitably, they give up.
All of this is to say, would you rather take 5 years (totally making a number up) at a slow and steady pace, while also learning a way of eating that you can live with for the rest of your life, or would you rather chase a goal that may not be realistic and enter the dreaded cycle of yo-yo dieting?6 -
witchaywoman81 wrote: »witchaywoman81 wrote: »okay everyone i'll increase it to 1500cals a day
Is that what mfp gives you? At your weight, I’m betting you can eat even more than that and still yield consistent losses.
ETA I see @AnnPT77 ‘s comment above mine. That’s still a rather larger deficit. Do what mfp tells you and see how it works for a month or 2.
Mfp’s limit is wayyyy too high. I won’t lose all the weight on their system until I’m 40
How do you know this though? Have you tried it?
I’ve already told you some reasons why I think you need to eat more, but here’s another. I see this alllll the time. A woman posts on mfp (yes, I realize you are male) with a considerable amount of weight to lose. They want to lose it all as soon as humanly possible. They choose the lowest possible calorie goal they can (1200 calories/day). They are losing weight and everything is fine. This honeymoon period lasts a few weeks to a couple months. Then, inevitably, life happens. They realize they’re starting to feel hungry. They start getting sloppy with their logging. They start eyeballing portions. Their weight loss stalls, but their diary still tells them they’re in a deficit. Inevitably, they give up.
All of this is to say, would you rather take 5 years (totally making a number up) at a slow and steady pace, while also learning a way of eating that you can live with for the rest of your life, or would you rather chase a goal that may not be realistic and enter the dreaded cycle of yo-yo dieting?
But I'm going to overeaters anonymous meetings. I'm not going to mess this up. My goal is to lose the weight by the time i'm 30. I'm 27 now. I'm seeing a therapist now. I'm doing all the right things. I just want to lose the weight and be healthy and I want it sooner than later. I know I can do it. I'm not like everyone else.9 -
witchaywoman81 wrote: »okay everyone i'll increase it to 1500cals a day
Is that what mfp gives you? At your weight, I’m betting you can eat even more than that and still yield consistent losses.
ETA I see @AnnPT77 ‘s comment above mine. That’s still a rather larger deficit. Do what mfp tells you and see how it works for a month or 2.
Mfp’s limit is wayyyy too high. I won’t lose all the weight on their system until I’m 40
At your current weight, it's possible that you can lose for a while at a higher rate than MFP's maximum of 2 pounds a week, without creating substantial health risk. Also, I understand that your current weight itself creates a health risk, so losing faster than 2 pounds a week may be a reasonable tradeoff. That doesn't imply that any arbitrarily fast rate of loss will be healthy or sensible.
I really am not knowledgeable about how fast someone who's at your weight can safely lose. (There are no guarantees for anyone that any particular rate will be too fast, or not - it's all about risk management. But with limited health insurance, I would think you'd want to play a safe side of the odds.) If your insurance doesn't allow you to consult with an obesity specialist, I'd suggest you consider more research on the topic, specifically about recommended weight loss rates for someone of your size without close medical supervision.
Normally, folks around here recommend that people (as a generality) not lose faster than about 1% of their current body weight per week, slower when within 50 or so pounds of goal, and that it's OK to lose even slower if it's more sustainable. I don't know whether the roughly 4 pounds a week (1% of your current body weight) would be reasonable for you or not.
But let's be concrete about this: If you lose at 2 pounds a week, MFP's max, it won't take you until you're 40. That's an exaggeration.
I don't know how tall you are. Maybe 200 pounds would be a reasonable weight for you, I don't know. But let's start from there, just to talk about this more specifically. To get from 431 pounds to 200, at a consistent 2 pounds a week, would take about 116 weeks, which is just about 2 years and 3 months. So, you'd be about 30, which is when you said you'd like to be at goal. If you're on the shorter side, it would be a few more months, especially as you would want to slow down to a bit slower rate when under 200 pounds (at the latest). Since weight loss isn't consistent every single week, it might even take a bit longer . . . but it still gets you there at around age 30, plus or minus a few months.
I hope you understand from the way I'm writing about this that I really believe you can lose this weight, and achieve a healthy weight. From you, I feel like I'm also hearing current frustration, determination, and very strong desire to lose quickly. I can understand that "want to be elsewhere quickly" impulse. But you've also said you want to be healthy as this happens, and that implies the need for a patient sort of determination, and a long-term sustainable plan.
If you were to lose faster for a while, and if we assume (with no real evidence, BTW), that it would be reasonably safe for you to lose faster for a while (around that 1% per week value), then you may be OK at 1500 or a bit more for a while. Pay attention to how you feel: Any sign of weakness or fatigue is a warning sign. Good nutrition, to the extent you can manage it, will help you stay healthy.
As you get lighter, you would be doing a good thing for yourself to gradually become more active, both in daily life activity and in the form of exercise (starting with what you can manage at the time, weight lifting, swimming pool exercise and simple walking being exercises many people can manage earliest). That will let you eat a bit more, while losing at your maximum conservative rate, and help you keep as much muscle as possible while you lose weight. There are things you can do without the expense of a gym, if that's an issue for you.
If it's possible, consider having a more in-depth conversation with your doctor, and ask if s/he can refer you to an obesity specialist (if your insurance allows), or if s/he can consult with one on your behalf about what would be a safe weight loss rate (pounds per week, or % of current weight loss per week) while you are not being closely medically supervised.
This is all just inexpert advice from someone old enough to be your granny, and who wants to see you succeed, and stay healthy and strong while you do it.
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witchaywoman81 wrote: »okay everyone i'll increase it to 1500cals a day
Is that what mfp gives you? At your weight, I’m betting you can eat even more than that and still yield consistent losses.
ETA I see @AnnPT77 ‘s comment above mine. That’s still a rather larger deficit. Do what mfp tells you and see how it works for a month or 2.
Mfp’s limit is wayyyy too high. I won’t lose all the weight on their system until I’m 40
At your current weight, it's possible that you can lose for a while at a higher rate than MFP's maximum of 2 pounds a week, without creating substantial health risk. Also, I understand that your current weight itself creates a health risk, so losing faster than 2 pounds a week may be a reasonable tradeoff. That doesn't imply that any arbitrarily fast rate of loss will be healthy or sensible.
I really am not knowledgeable about how fast someone who's at your weight can safely lose. (There are no guarantees for anyone that any particular rate will be too fast, or not - it's all about risk management. But with limited health insurance, I would think you'd want to play a safe side of the odds.) If your insurance doesn't allow you to consult with an obesity specialist, I'd suggest you consider more research on the topic, specifically about recommended weight loss rates for someone of your size without close medical supervision.
Normally, folks around here recommend that people (as a generality) not lose faster than about 1% of their current body weight per week, slower when within 50 or so pounds of goal, and that it's OK to lose even slower if it's more sustainable. I don't know whether the roughly 4 pounds a week (1% of your current body weight) would be reasonable for you or not.
But let's be concrete about this: If you lose at 2 pounds a week, MFP's max, it won't take you until you're 40. That's an exaggeration.
I don't know how tall you are. Maybe 200 pounds would be a reasonable weight for you, I don't know. But let's start from there, just to talk about this more specifically. To get from 431 pounds to 200, at a consistent 2 pounds a week, would take about 116 weeks, which is just about 2 years and 3 months. So, you'd be about 30, which is when you said you'd like to be at goal. If you're on the shorter side, it would be a few more months, especially as you would want to slow down to a bit slower rate when under 200 pounds (at the latest). Since weight loss isn't consistent every single week, it might even take a bit longer . . . but it still gets you there at around age 30, plus or minus a few months.
I hope you understand from the way I'm writing about this that I really believe you can lose this weight, and achieve a healthy weight. From you, I feel like I'm also hearing current frustration, determination, and very strong desire to lose quickly. I can understand that "want to be elsewhere quickly" impulse. But you've also said you want to be healthy as this happens, and that implies the need for a patient sort of determination, and a long-term sustainable plan.
If you were to lose faster for a while, and if we assume (with no real evidence, BTW), that it would be reasonably safe for you to lose faster for a while (around that 1% per week value), then you may be OK at 1500 or a bit more for a while. Pay attention to how you feel: Any sign of weakness or fatigue is a warning sign. Good nutrition, to the extent you can manage it, will help you stay healthy.
As you get lighter, you would be doing a good thing for yourself to gradually become more active, both in daily life activity and in the form of exercise (starting with what you can manage at the time, weight lifting, swimming pool exercise and simple walking being exercises many people can manage earliest). That will let you eat a bit more, while losing at your maximum conservative rate, and help you keep as much muscle as possible while you lose weight. There are things you can do without the expense of a gym, if that's an issue for you.
If it's possible, consider having a more in-depth conversation with your doctor, and ask if s/he can refer you to an obesity specialist (if your insurance allows), or if s/he can consult with one on your behalf about what would be a safe weight loss rate (pounds per week, or % of current weight loss per week) while you are not being closely medically supervised.
This is all just inexpert advice from someone old enough to be your granny, and who wants to see you succeed, and stay healthy and strong while you do it.
Best wishes!
I'll be happy with 3lbs a week. I'll be at the weight for my height in a year and a half. Also I'm 5'7.
And like I said above, I'm currently studying for the bar. After I take the bar in February I'll work out regularly until I get a job (or have to study for the bar again YIKES)3 -
Beware of this- here’s the problems with all of these calculations and projections, weight loss doesn’t happen on a straight line. If you have a lot to lose and chart weekly or monthly it can at first. Ride that trend. My initial trend lasted 18 months. The whole thing seemed nearly effortless.
But don’t go to pieces if you reach a point where your initial system isn’t working out. I didn’t do what you’re doing but I am down about 115 lbs and been maintaining for years. I found I had to reinvent my program 3-4 times to get to goal. Things I told myself could/would never do when I started, I do now. It takes a lot of persistence to lose a lot.
I think the number one program killer is failure to adapt or adjust when needed. Try to keep an attitude of experimentation. Good luck.7 -
musicfan68 wrote: »I'm sorry you feel so demotivated, but going to 1200 calories is just a recipe for disaster. Men shouldn't go under 1500 calories anyway. At your weight you can lose 2-3 lbs a week eating much more than that. 27 lbs in 2 months is extremely fast. You need to slow down or you will crash and burn, and eating so few calories will cause you to binge because you will find it too hard to eat that low, and you shouldn't eat that low. You didn't put the weight on in a few months, so it won't come off in a few months. As a lot of people say here, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. You will be ok and get where you want to be by losing a sensible amount of weight each week (2-3 at your current weight), and not way under eating.
How come dr now on 600lb life tells his patients to eat a 1200 calorie diet then?
He is full of $#/÷.... Eat more.... lift... I made many mistakes losing what I did so quickly...4 -
Hi friend,
I’m inspired by your candour in sharing something which is obviously sensitive — courage the brave dream of, to share something like that publicly.
You got this! I know you do. In 3 years from now you’ll be 30 and looking back on this time in your life with gratitude for all it’s taught you and how it shaped you to be the man you are.
Keep going! Chairs be damned, I say. ☺️☺️☺️
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musicfan68 wrote: »I'm sorry you feel so demotivated, but going to 1200 calories is just a recipe for disaster. Men shouldn't go under 1500 calories anyway. At your weight you can lose 2-3 lbs a week eating much more than that. 27 lbs in 2 months is extremely fast. You need to slow down or you will crash and burn, and eating so few calories will cause you to binge because you will find it too hard to eat that low, and you shouldn't eat that low. You didn't put the weight on in a few months, so it won't come off in a few months. As a lot of people say here, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. You will be ok and get where you want to be by losing a sensible amount of weight each week (2-3 at your current weight), and not way under eating.
How come dr now on 600lb life tells his patients to eat a 1200 calorie diet then?
They've also had surgery to shrink their stomach, and literally cannot eat more than that. They also must take certain vitamins for the rest of their life because their bodies cannot absorb enough nutrients to fit their nutritional needs on that diet. There are tons of foods that they can't eat because it would crowd out the protein they require to live on the few calories that their bodies can stomach. Because their stomachs are so small, they get full very quickly and their physical appetite won't allow them to eat anymore lest they suffer pretty gross consequences (e.g. dumping syndrome).
For us regular stomach people, we have regular appetites and can absorb nutrients in a regular way, so we should be eating enough to support that. Otherwise, we'll also suffer malnutrition symptoms, and one of the common big ones (fatigue) is also a big factor in why people overeat (people who are tired tend to mindlessly eat more to "wake" themselves up). It's both physical and psychological, but there are a lot of factors that go into weight loss surgery and those influence the 1,200 number. Not having to do that by losing weight the traditional way is only going to help. The ideal is for you to eat like how you should eat when you're at a normal weight range, and for men, that's not going to be below 1,500 calories. For perspective, I'm a 5'1'' female, over 30, sedentary, and I can lose a pound a week on 1,500 calories a day with just 30-60 minutes of exercise a day.
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RelCanonical wrote: »musicfan68 wrote: »I'm sorry you feel so demotivated, but going to 1200 calories is just a recipe for disaster. Men shouldn't go under 1500 calories anyway. At your weight you can lose 2-3 lbs a week eating much more than that. 27 lbs in 2 months is extremely fast. You need to slow down or you will crash and burn, and eating so few calories will cause you to binge because you will find it too hard to eat that low, and you shouldn't eat that low. You didn't put the weight on in a few months, so it won't come off in a few months. As a lot of people say here, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. You will be ok and get where you want to be by losing a sensible amount of weight each week (2-3 at your current weight), and not way under eating.
How come dr now on 600lb life tells his patients to eat a 1200 calorie diet then?
They've also had surgery to shrink their stomach, and literally cannot eat more than that. They also must take certain vitamins for the rest of their life because their bodies cannot absorb enough nutrients to fit their nutritional needs on that diet. There are tons of foods that they can't eat because it would crowd out the protein they require to live on the few calories that their bodies can stomach. Because their stomachs are so small, they get full very quickly and their physical appetite won't allow them to eat anymore lest they suffer pretty gross consequences (e.g. dumping syndrome).
For us regular stomach people, we have regular appetites and can absorb nutrients in a regular way, so we should be eating enough to support that. Otherwise, we'll also suffer malnutrition symptoms, and one of the common big ones (fatigue) is also a big factor in why people overeat (people who are tired tend to mindlessly eat more to "wake" themselves up). It's both physical and psychological, but there are a lot of factors that go into weight loss surgery and those influence the 1,200 number. Not having to do that by losing weight the traditional way is only going to help. The ideal is for you to eat like how you should eat when you're at a normal weight range, and for men, that's not going to be below 1,500 calories. For perspective, I'm a 5'1'' female, over 30, sedentary, and I can lose a pound a week on 1,500 calories a day with just 30-60 minutes of exercise a day.
Dr Now puts them on that diet before they have surgery.0 -
RelCanonical wrote: »musicfan68 wrote: »I'm sorry you feel so demotivated, but going to 1200 calories is just a recipe for disaster. Men shouldn't go under 1500 calories anyway. At your weight you can lose 2-3 lbs a week eating much more than that. 27 lbs in 2 months is extremely fast. You need to slow down or you will crash and burn, and eating so few calories will cause you to binge because you will find it too hard to eat that low, and you shouldn't eat that low. You didn't put the weight on in a few months, so it won't come off in a few months. As a lot of people say here, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. You will be ok and get where you want to be by losing a sensible amount of weight each week (2-3 at your current weight), and not way under eating.
How come dr now on 600lb life tells his patients to eat a 1200 calorie diet then?
They've also had surgery to shrink their stomach, and literally cannot eat more than that. They also must take certain vitamins for the rest of their life because their bodies cannot absorb enough nutrients to fit their nutritional needs on that diet. There are tons of foods that they can't eat because it would crowd out the protein they require to live on the few calories that their bodies can stomach. Because their stomachs are so small, they get full very quickly and their physical appetite won't allow them to eat anymore lest they suffer pretty gross consequences (e.g. dumping syndrome).
For us regular stomach people, we have regular appetites and can absorb nutrients in a regular way, so we should be eating enough to support that. Otherwise, we'll also suffer malnutrition symptoms, and one of the common big ones (fatigue) is also a big factor in why people overeat (people who are tired tend to mindlessly eat more to "wake" themselves up). It's both physical and psychological, but there are a lot of factors that go into weight loss surgery and those influence the 1,200 number. Not having to do that by losing weight the traditional way is only going to help. The ideal is for you to eat like how you should eat when you're at a normal weight range, and for men, that's not going to be below 1,500 calories. For perspective, I'm a 5'1'' female, over 30, sedentary, and I can lose a pound a week on 1,500 calories a day with just 30-60 minutes of exercise a day.
Dr Now puts them on that diet before they have surgery.
To shrink their liver for the surgery.
If you're not trying to do that, then you don't need to eat 1200 cals.5 -
RelCanonical wrote: »musicfan68 wrote: »I'm sorry you feel so demotivated, but going to 1200 calories is just a recipe for disaster. Men shouldn't go under 1500 calories anyway. At your weight you can lose 2-3 lbs a week eating much more than that. 27 lbs in 2 months is extremely fast. You need to slow down or you will crash and burn, and eating so few calories will cause you to binge because you will find it too hard to eat that low, and you shouldn't eat that low. You didn't put the weight on in a few months, so it won't come off in a few months. As a lot of people say here, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. You will be ok and get where you want to be by losing a sensible amount of weight each week (2-3 at your current weight), and not way under eating.
How come dr now on 600lb life tells his patients to eat a 1200 calorie diet then?
They've also had surgery to shrink their stomach, and literally cannot eat more than that. They also must take certain vitamins for the rest of their life because their bodies cannot absorb enough nutrients to fit their nutritional needs on that diet. There are tons of foods that they can't eat because it would crowd out the protein they require to live on the few calories that their bodies can stomach. Because their stomachs are so small, they get full very quickly and their physical appetite won't allow them to eat anymore lest they suffer pretty gross consequences (e.g. dumping syndrome).
For us regular stomach people, we have regular appetites and can absorb nutrients in a regular way, so we should be eating enough to support that. Otherwise, we'll also suffer malnutrition symptoms, and one of the common big ones (fatigue) is also a big factor in why people overeat (people who are tired tend to mindlessly eat more to "wake" themselves up). It's both physical and psychological, but there are a lot of factors that go into weight loss surgery and those influence the 1,200 number. Not having to do that by losing weight the traditional way is only going to help. The ideal is for you to eat like how you should eat when you're at a normal weight range, and for men, that's not going to be below 1,500 calories. For perspective, I'm a 5'1'' female, over 30, sedentary, and I can lose a pound a week on 1,500 calories a day with just 30-60 minutes of exercise a day.
Dr Now puts them on that diet before they have surgery.
It's basically a trial run for the real deal, and to shrink the liver for surgery (as TavistockToad has said). He needs to know if they can actually handle it in the long run. Our bodies can handle a low calorie month when we have some excess fat, but it's the long term people are thinking about when they're telling you to up your calories. In this case, people who are on 1,200 are the only ones who can do it long term, and they do have issues from it. It's just, the weight they were at was an even higher risk. It's basically the lesser of two evils.0 -
Yes, Dr, Now requires some serious weight loss prior to even being considered for surgery. One, because the rate of success is determined by whether or not the person has the motivation to stick to it, (or are simply looking for a 'quick fix') and two, the actual surgery itself is incredibly risky at the high end of the morbidly obese scale.0
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It's all good, my friend. You're not a loser - unless you mean a guy who is losing weight. You're a human being, deserving of love and respect and consideration. Friend me, if you'd like. I've got your back and you can do this.
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