Naturally Slim Program
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Honestly? You couldn't pay me to do this.10
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Why didn't our ancestors a million years ago come up with such a splendid idea? By now we would not have overweight people any more! Obviously they ate what they could find, had no watch, virtually no starches, no chemicals and didn't know how big their stomachs were. Silly people! How on earth did they survive that long? "They" should have died out a long time ago....3
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EvilShenanigansTX , Could you have said 'no' to this offer and just not taken part in it? Have any other employees refused to try it? Did you feel coerced into joining in? Or did you think, okay, I'll give it a try? Sorry about the questions, I just feel uncomfortable about the whole idea.8
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Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.8
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EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »My husband's employer has offered us the Naturally Slim program at no charge, and we decided to give it a try. We just completed week 1 and I must say, it is giving me conflicted feelings.
For anyone wondering, the program is meant to retrain the way you eat and behave around food. Essentially you chew slowly, eat only one thing on your plate at a time (no combining flavors) to satisfy your brain's 'taste center' , and you eat using a timer (10 minutes eating, 5 minute break to evaluate your hunger levels), then 10 or more minutes eating if needed).
You are supposed to think of your portions in terms of stomach size - they use a loosely held fist. You are also supposed to sip a 7:1 ratio of water to OJ through the day to level out blood sugar. No snacks. Ever.
They encourage food diaries but greatly discourage calorie tracking, or eliminating any foods from your diet (so, no low-carb or keto as they are evidently the devil).
Basically eat slowly at a calorie deficit, and stop when you are full. **mind blown**
Anyone else out there doing this? The NS message boards are not supportive - in fact a small number of NS devotees respond to most people and it feels somewhat cult like. I saw some older threads about the program, but didn't want to resurrect a zombie thread.
Thanks!
I'm curious about "eat only one thing on your plate at a time / no combining flavors" - how does this work with foods like stir fry where many flavors and foods are combined?
Nothing satisfies my brain's 'taste center' like Thai food, which is just chock full of different flavors and foods.
When my ex lived in Thailand he dropped 40 pounds without even trying.
Now I want Thai food - going to make Pad Se Ew tonight!11 -
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
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OP, it sounds to me like you are already drifting toward a way of eating that is more common sense and sustainable. My guess is that if you continue to participate, you'll find you've established a way of eating that works for you and probably doesn't have much to do with the program.
If there's some reward associated with continuing with the program, my opinion is there's no harm in going through the motions while following your own path - nobody's following you around documenting when and what you eat ( I hope!)
If the sole purpose of the program is a misguided attempt encourage employees to lose weight and improve their health markers, and you find you are losing weight without conforming to most of the rules, my guess is you'll get fed up with the nonsense and move on, taking with you a couple of things that are working for you and dropping the rest.
Either way, the very best of luck! You seem to have a good handle on the basics of weight management, and maybe just the weekly weigh-in accountability will help you stay on track.6 -
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
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I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
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I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.3 -
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
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I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.4 -
suziecue25 wrote: »+
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.
My husband doesn't like it either. More for me!
I keep telling him that maybe one day there will be a cure. :laugh:2 -
suziecue25 wrote: »+
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.
My husband doesn't like it either. More for me!
I keep telling him that maybe one day there will be a cure. :laugh:
and I bet I know how he replies
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I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
Far from it.
There have been a few threads dedicated to peanut butter love around here over the years. 3 -
suziecue25 wrote: »+
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.
Me neither. I don't know if I like the taste, but the smell alone makes me feel sick
That means if I cook something that would otherwise require peanutbutter I get out my tesle and mortar and handgrind peanuts to make my own paste of sorts. Freshly ground peanuts don't have this yucky smell. 1 -
suziecue25 wrote: »+
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.
Me neither. I don't know if I like the taste, but the smell alone makes me feel sick That means if I cook something that would otherwise require peanutbutter I get out my tesle and mortar and handgrind peanuts to make my own paste of sorts. Freshly ground peanuts don't have this yucky smell.
With me its the horrible smell and the cloying texture ugh
. Peanut butter is another marmite....love or hate lol 0 -
All in all, I like the concept of trying something (even if the "woo" factor may be high, it doesn't seem to be deficient in nutrients) and tracking outcome data that includes scale weight, non-scale factors (clothes fit, feelings of hunger and satiety, etc.) and psychological/emotional response that may lead you to alter a pattern in a helpful way. Thanks for the updates, and keep them coming!1
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Hi all! I saw some questions, so wanted to address them before the Week 3 update.
Yes, we weigh in weekly, and they also encourage tracking measurements. You get a NS branded tape measure in your welcome box.
When you eat a meal like stir-fry or casserole then that is considered one food, so you eat just that until you have taste satisfaction and you are comfortably full. That said, some members report picking soups, casseroles, and stir-fry apart and eating one component at a time. Terrifying! Others discourage these sorts of foods, certain that there must be something in the dish that you don't really like and that you shouldn't eat it.
I did the plan voluntarily with my husband,and there is no penalty should we not complete the 8 weeks they consider to be completed. My thoughts were that it's free, and it can't hurt to see what all the fuss is about. Also, there is alarmingly little information about the program on the internet. If I can enlighten someone - even one individual - looking for more information before they drop their own money on it, that's a win!
Finally, yes, I was on a good path when I started the program. I will certainly take what works and discard the 'woo' aspects. You won't catch me drinking watered down OJ or apple juice (evidently these are the only ones that work, so screw you lemon and lime juice). I am always curious about what plans are available, and what they offer. Right now I find the plan largely helpful - the mindful aspect and eating slowly, listening to your body - with some fairly silly pseudo-science that rubs me the wrong way (like not tracking actual calories, or how you really don't burn fat unless you are at a level 2).
I also find their NS message boards increasingly toxic. It's frightening to me how many absolutely devoted members are there, and how quickly they jump on you should you dare disagree with a principle (such as the H2oj or eating one thing at a time), or if you share your own personal experiences with things like carbs (which I continue to restrict because it makes me feel better). They are a sensitive nest of harpies to be sure!
I will be back in a few days with the next update!17 -
EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »Hi all! I saw some questions, so wanted to address them before the Week 3 update.
Yes, we weigh in weekly, and they also encourage tracking measurements. You get a NS branded tape measure in your welcome box.
When you eat a meal like stir-fry or casserole then that is considered one food, so you eat just that until you have taste satisfaction and you are comfortably full. That said, some members report picking soups, casseroles, and stir-fry apart and eating one component at a time. Terrifying! Others discourage these sorts of foods, certain that there must be something in the dish that you don't really like and that you shouldn't eat it.
I did the plan voluntarily with my husband,and there is no penalty should we not complete the 8 weeks they consider to be completed. My thoughts were that it's free, and it can't hurt to see what all the fuss is about. Also, there is alarmingly little information about the program on the internet. If I can enlighten someone - even one individual - looking for more information before they drop their own money on it, that's a win!
Finally, yes, I was on a good path when I started the program. I will certainly take what works and discard the 'woo' aspects. You won't catch me drinking watered down OJ or apple juice (evidently these are the only ones that work, so screw you lemon and lime juice). I am always curious about what plans are available, and what they offer. Right now I find the plan largely helpful - the mindful aspect and eating slowly, listening to your body - with some fairly silly pseudo-science that rubs me the wrong way (like not tracking actual calories, or how you really don't burn fat unless you are at a level 2).
I also find their NS message boards increasingly toxic. It's frightening to me how many absolutely devoted members are there, and how quickly they jump on you should you dare disagree with a principle (such as the H2oj or eating one thing at a time), or if you share your own personal experiences with things like carbs (which I continue to restrict because it makes me feel better). They are a sensitive nest of harpies to be sure!
I will be back in a few days with the next update!
Thanks for the updates! It's really refreshing to see someone like yourself approaching these 'programs' with no blinkers on.
The only part of what you've told us so far that I agree with is perhaps the eating more slowly part. The rest? Yikes. 4
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