Naturally Slim Program
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I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
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I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.4 -
suziecue25 wrote: »+
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.
My husband doesn't like it either. More for me!
I keep telling him that maybe one day there will be a cure. :laugh:2 -
suziecue25 wrote: »+
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.
My husband doesn't like it either. More for me!
I keep telling him that maybe one day there will be a cure. :laugh:
and I bet I know how he replies
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I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
Far from it.
There have been a few threads dedicated to peanut butter love around here over the years. 3 -
suziecue25 wrote: »+
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.
Me neither. I don't know if I like the taste, but the smell alone makes me feel sick
That means if I cook something that would otherwise require peanutbutter I get out my tesle and mortar and handgrind peanuts to make my own paste of sorts. Freshly ground peanuts don't have this yucky smell. 1 -
suziecue25 wrote: »+
I AM NOT ALONE!Pretty sure one teaspoon of peanut butter is what's left to lick off the knife after making my sandwich. Not a snack.
love my PB, yep.
edit: Restricting calories to a slight deficit is the only thing that has ever worked for me. Not restricting foods and how I choose to juggle those calories throughout the day.
It's sad that you ever thought your were. PB is the answer to so many things.
I would be lying if I were to say I didn't give in to some woo in the past. It was neither fun nor beneficial
One of my main pain points in the past was that, in trying to be "open minded" to some of the solutions out there, I remained closed minded to the simplest and most effective. It took a long time for me to learn that food (all foods) was not the enemy.
I think most people have succumbed to it. It's easy to find and often very convincing. Live and learn.
That we do
You're so right by the way. PB really does fix almost anything
Peanut butter is the one thing I absolutely cannot stomach...the very thought of it makes me heave.
Me neither. I don't know if I like the taste, but the smell alone makes me feel sick That means if I cook something that would otherwise require peanutbutter I get out my tesle and mortar and handgrind peanuts to make my own paste of sorts. Freshly ground peanuts don't have this yucky smell.
With me its the horrible smell and the cloying texture ugh
. Peanut butter is another marmite....love or hate lol 0 -
All in all, I like the concept of trying something (even if the "woo" factor may be high, it doesn't seem to be deficient in nutrients) and tracking outcome data that includes scale weight, non-scale factors (clothes fit, feelings of hunger and satiety, etc.) and psychological/emotional response that may lead you to alter a pattern in a helpful way. Thanks for the updates, and keep them coming!1
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Hi all! I saw some questions, so wanted to address them before the Week 3 update.
Yes, we weigh in weekly, and they also encourage tracking measurements. You get a NS branded tape measure in your welcome box.
When you eat a meal like stir-fry or casserole then that is considered one food, so you eat just that until you have taste satisfaction and you are comfortably full. That said, some members report picking soups, casseroles, and stir-fry apart and eating one component at a time. Terrifying! Others discourage these sorts of foods, certain that there must be something in the dish that you don't really like and that you shouldn't eat it.
I did the plan voluntarily with my husband,and there is no penalty should we not complete the 8 weeks they consider to be completed. My thoughts were that it's free, and it can't hurt to see what all the fuss is about. Also, there is alarmingly little information about the program on the internet. If I can enlighten someone - even one individual - looking for more information before they drop their own money on it, that's a win!
Finally, yes, I was on a good path when I started the program. I will certainly take what works and discard the 'woo' aspects. You won't catch me drinking watered down OJ or apple juice (evidently these are the only ones that work, so screw you lemon and lime juice). I am always curious about what plans are available, and what they offer. Right now I find the plan largely helpful - the mindful aspect and eating slowly, listening to your body - with some fairly silly pseudo-science that rubs me the wrong way (like not tracking actual calories, or how you really don't burn fat unless you are at a level 2).
I also find their NS message boards increasingly toxic. It's frightening to me how many absolutely devoted members are there, and how quickly they jump on you should you dare disagree with a principle (such as the H2oj or eating one thing at a time), or if you share your own personal experiences with things like carbs (which I continue to restrict because it makes me feel better). They are a sensitive nest of harpies to be sure!
I will be back in a few days with the next update!17 -
EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »Hi all! I saw some questions, so wanted to address them before the Week 3 update.
Yes, we weigh in weekly, and they also encourage tracking measurements. You get a NS branded tape measure in your welcome box.
When you eat a meal like stir-fry or casserole then that is considered one food, so you eat just that until you have taste satisfaction and you are comfortably full. That said, some members report picking soups, casseroles, and stir-fry apart and eating one component at a time. Terrifying! Others discourage these sorts of foods, certain that there must be something in the dish that you don't really like and that you shouldn't eat it.
I did the plan voluntarily with my husband,and there is no penalty should we not complete the 8 weeks they consider to be completed. My thoughts were that it's free, and it can't hurt to see what all the fuss is about. Also, there is alarmingly little information about the program on the internet. If I can enlighten someone - even one individual - looking for more information before they drop their own money on it, that's a win!
Finally, yes, I was on a good path when I started the program. I will certainly take what works and discard the 'woo' aspects. You won't catch me drinking watered down OJ or apple juice (evidently these are the only ones that work, so screw you lemon and lime juice). I am always curious about what plans are available, and what they offer. Right now I find the plan largely helpful - the mindful aspect and eating slowly, listening to your body - with some fairly silly pseudo-science that rubs me the wrong way (like not tracking actual calories, or how you really don't burn fat unless you are at a level 2).
I also find their NS message boards increasingly toxic. It's frightening to me how many absolutely devoted members are there, and how quickly they jump on you should you dare disagree with a principle (such as the H2oj or eating one thing at a time), or if you share your own personal experiences with things like carbs (which I continue to restrict because it makes me feel better). They are a sensitive nest of harpies to be sure!
I will be back in a few days with the next update!
Thanks for the updates! It's really refreshing to see someone like yourself approaching these 'programs' with no blinkers on.
The only part of what you've told us so far that I agree with is perhaps the eating more slowly part. The rest? Yikes. 4 -
How does this plan make it possible for you to be confident that you are eating at a calorie deficit, if, you aren't counting calories or logging food?
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How does this plan make it possible for you to be confident that you are eating at a calorie deficit, if, you aren't counting calories or logging food?
Probably that assessment will come with any changes of scale weight/clothes fit over time. Which is what is the bottom line for all folks hoping to make changes that will lead to weight loss.
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Hi Friends! Week 3 Update!
This week we learned about Vital Needs, exercise, and goal setting. Overall the lessons were benign, and didn't offer me much as I am not an emotional consumer for the most part.
Vital Needs are a set of emotional needs that, when filled, will help keep you from overeating due to stress and anxiety. There are 25 of them, and you are asked to pick 7 that speak to your emotional needs. If you are interested in the full list, let me know. Some examples are needed personal time, sleep, touch, or humor.
Next, we had a lesson on exercise and how much they suggest we add for improved health, but not really to rely on it for weight loss. They push weight training and cardio, and suggested chatting with a personal trainer who can help craft a plan for you. (Best advice so far!)
Finally, they discussed goal setting. Set an attainable goal with a time limit, and decide how you want to achieve it. They use the S.M.A.R.T. Acronym - Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, and Timely. They said an example is to say you want to lose 5% of your body weight over 6 months via diet and exercise.
Again, largely benign advice. Some is helpful, dare I say.
The message board, on the other hand, is just garbage. Bad advice, fake science, and straight up lies. For example, did you know that REAL Keto macros say you should eat 90% of your calories from fat? Ugh.
I was told that restricting carbs based on my doctor's advice to help me with insulin resistance was wrong because restricted diets are bound to fail, and the moderator (who actually said she felt sorry for me because I am clearly not eating what I love) said there was no way to overeat carbs because of the plan.
So, between 60 oz of daily H2oj (about 20 carbs made mostly of sugar) and being allowed to consume as much as 75% of your meal in carbs (remember, only 25% of your meal should be protein) I think I could EASILY consume more carbs than I want (50 per day), and definitely enough to feel bloated, tired, and foggy.
But, yeah, I am going to listen to a weight loss program message board moderator and not my actual Doctor.
Also, NS is not a diet! No restrictions... Except you are supposed to eat when hungry, but if you eat three or more meals you are doing it wrong because no one needs three meals. No sugar, no wine, no dairy, and no cereal (unless it is the allowed high fiber cereal for the hunger saver) for the first three weeks.... Or forever if you want to lose weight. You can't eat more than a loose fist sized meal, but no measuring or counting. Ugh.
Feel free to ask questions! Happy to answer!13 -
My biggest issue would be keeping a straight face at these meetings. 14
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snickerscharlie wrote: »My biggest issue would be keeping a straight face at these meetings.
It actually videos you watch at your own pace. I am free to laugh, scoff, or snooze... 🤣6 -
EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »Hi Friends! Week 3 Update!
This week we learned about Vital Needs, exercise, and goal setting. Overall the lessons were benign, and didn't offer me much as I am not an emotional consumer for the most part.
Vital Needs are a set of emotional needs that, when filled, will help keep you from overeating due to stress and anxiety. There are 25 of them, and you are asked to pick 7 that speak to your emotional needs. If you are interested in the full list, let me know. Some examples are needed personal time, sleep, touch, or humor.
Next, we had a lesson on exercise and how much they suggest we add for improved health, but not really to rely on it for weight loss. They push weight training and cardio, and suggested chatting with a personal trainer who can help craft a plan for you. (Best advice so far!)
Finally, they discussed goal setting. Set an attainable goal with a time limit, and decide how you want to achieve it. They use the S.M.A.R.T. Acronym - Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, and Timely. They said an example is to say you want to lose 5% of your body weight over 6 months via diet and exercise.
Again, largely benign advice. Some is helpful, dare I say.
The message board, on the other hand, is just garbage. Bad advice, fake science, and straight up lies. For example, did you know that REAL Keto macros say you should eat 90% of your calories from fat? Ugh.
I was told that restricting carbs based on my doctor's advice to help me with insulin resistance was wrong because restricted diets are bound to fail, and the moderator (who actually said she felt sorry for me because I am clearly not eating what I love) said there was no way to overeat carbs because of the plan.
So, between 60 oz of daily H2oj (about 20 carbs made mostly of sugar) and being allowed to consume as much as 75% of your meal in carbs (remember, only 25% of your meal should be protein) I think I could EASILY consume more carbs than I want (50 per day), and definitely enough to feel bloated, tired, and foggy.
But, yeah, I am going to listen to a weight loss program message board moderator and not my actual Doctor.
Also, NS is not a diet! No restrictions... Except you are supposed to eat when hungry, but if you eat three or more meals you are doing it wrong because no one needs three meals. No sugar, no wine, no dairy, and no cereal (unless it is the allowed high fiber cereal for the hunger saver) for the first three weeks.... Or forever if you want to lose weight. You can't eat more than a loose fist sized meal, but no measuring or counting. Ugh.
Feel free to ask questions! Happy to answer!
if you are restricting foods/meals its a diet. not a very good one but a restrictive one none the less. no sugar? which would mean fruits and veggies as well.cereal is also a carb,oj is a carb/sugar. That diet contradicts itself for sure4 -
Fruit is a no-no. Veggies aren't really encouraged in favor of foods that make your mouth water. They discourage salads, for example, because they probably aren't what you REALLY crave and desire.
Overall, it isn't balanced. They are always talking about pizza, burgers & fries, or steak. The video demos of food being eaten shows the veggies dead last in favor of other foods.1 -
EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »Fruit is a no-no. Veggies aren't really encouraged in favor of foods that make your mouth water. They discourage salads, for example, because they probably aren't what you REALLY crave and desire.
Overall, it isn't balanced. They are always talking about pizza, burgers & fries, or steak. The video demos of food being eaten shows the veggies dead last in favor of other foods.
that to me sounds severely F'ed up to be honest.8 -
It's interesting to see how you're going about this program and evaluating it (and which parts work for you) without being drawn into the apparently-cultish side of it - thanks for the reports!EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »
This week we learned about Vital Needs, exercise, and goal setting. Overall the lessons were benign, and didn't offer me much as I am not an emotional consumer for the most part.
Vital Needs are a set of emotional needs that, when filled, will help keep you from overeating due to stress and anxiety. There are 25 of them, and you are asked to pick 7 that speak to your emotional needs. If you are interested in the full list, let me know. Some examples are needed personal time, sleep, touch, or humor.
I would be interested in seeing this list, if you don't mind. I tend to be somewhat of an emotional eater at times (sadness, boredom, stress, etc.) and can always use some new ideas to ponder over! I had never thought about things like touch or humour being "needs", so I'm curious to see what else is on the list.
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It's interesting to see how you're going about this program and evaluating it (and which parts work for you) without being drawn into the apparently-cultish side of it - thanks for the reports!EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »
This week we learned about Vital Needs, exercise, and goal setting. Overall the lessons were benign, and didn't offer me much as I am not an emotional consumer for the most part.
Vital Needs are a set of emotional needs that, when filled, will help keep you from overeating due to stress and anxiety. There are 25 of them, and you are asked to pick 7 that speak to your emotional needs. If you are interested in the full list, let me know. Some examples are needed personal time, sleep, touch, or humor.
I would be interested in seeing this list, if you don't mind. I tend to be somewhat of an emotional eater at times (sadness, boredom, stress, etc.) and can always use some new ideas to ponder over! I had never thought about things like touch or humour being "needs", so I'm curious to see what else is on the list.
Your wish is my command! 😊
Personal time
Giving to others/volunteering
Recognition for achievement
Movement
Sleep
Approval or acceptance
Order and closure
Time alone
Territory (like a man cave or she shed)
Financial security
Being with people
Anticipation
Competition
Learning new things
Listening to music
Touch
Having a project
Variety of experiences (doing new things)
Structured time (routine)
Unstructured time (no set routine)
One-on-one attention
Group relationships
Empathy
Humor
Sprituality
They also mention job satisfaction, but say it is a way to meet your needs from the list.
You are supposed to select 7, then decide their priority for you. This list is used to provide for your emotional needs so food doesn't have to.
If you want more information on any specific needs, they have some tips. Just let me know!
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...why have they listed 'touch' and 'listening to music' but ignored the other senses? One of my personal needs is scent/taste; realising that I could get a lot of what I needed from food-scented candles and lotions rather than eating was very helpful to me.
They're just making it up as they go along, aren't they?9 -
(Also, I have got to wonder what they would make of my frequent cravings for cabbage, fennel or courgette)7
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I love some veg. I've been known to eat a bowl of mashed Swede/turnip (it is mashed with butter though). I also love sweet potato in any form, I crave it sometimes. My mum used to eat a whole bowl of green beans as they were. She also loved cauliflower cheese, light on the cheese sauce. Some of us love veg.
I agree with the concept of meeting emotional needs to stop overeating, but it's flawed in many ways. As said, it ignores several senses. But also, let me just fix my financial security tomorrow.
And "empathy" feels vague. Giving or receiving? Kind of feels like an option for somebody to pick to feel better about themself, if the former.
I agree with the consensus that most is woo woo. But the forums sound incredibly toxic on top of that.4 -
In my final year at uni, my hungover craving food was a bag of mixed salad. I'd walk home from the shop eating salad like it was a bag of crisps.6 -
OneRatGirl wrote: »I love some veg. I've been known to eat a bowl of mashed Swede/turnip (it is mashed with butter though). I also love sweet potato in any form, I crave it sometimes. My mum used to eat a whole bowl of green beans as they were. She also loved cauliflower cheese, light on the cheese sauce. Some of us love veg.
I agree with the concept of meeting emotional needs to stop overeating, but it's flawed in many ways. As said, it ignores several senses. But also, let me just fix my financial security tomorrow.
And "empathy" feels vague. Giving or receiving? Kind of feels like an option for somebody to pick to feel better about themself, if the former.
I agree with the consensus that most is woo woo. But the forums sound incredibly toxic on top of that.
Mashed swede and carrot [with butter and pepper] is one of my favourite veggies. Couldn't live without veggies 2 -
A "man cave or she shed?" LMAO.5
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suziecue25 wrote: »OneRatGirl wrote: »I love some veg. I've been known to eat a bowl of mashed Swede/turnip (it is mashed with butter though). I also love sweet potato in any form, I crave it sometimes. My mum used to eat a whole bowl of green beans as they were. She also loved cauliflower cheese, light on the cheese sauce. Some of us love veg.
I agree with the concept of meeting emotional needs to stop overeating, but it's flawed in many ways. As said, it ignores several senses. But also, let me just fix my financial security tomorrow.
And "empathy" feels vague. Giving or receiving? Kind of feels like an option for somebody to pick to feel better about themself, if the former.
I agree with the consensus that most is woo woo. But the forums sound incredibly toxic on top of that.
Mashed swede and carrot [with butter and pepper] is one of my favourite veggies. Couldn't live without veggies
Sometimes I will just eat a bag of peas for dinner because they are my favorite and are surprisingly filling for me. My favorite things to do with leftover Christmas or Easter Ham is cut it up into bite sized pieces and mix it in with peas.
I also am addicted to green peppers and eat whole green pepper everyday with my lunch.4 -
why does everything need to be so extreme? It isn't natural to eat one pile of food at a time on your plate. Do they realize how weird that is? Can you imagine going out to dinner in a social situation and doing that? Or worse.. talking about it. Shedding pounds is just common sense when you get down to it.. eat healthy foods ..move more..and seek balance where food doesn't dominate life. In short don't overeat.
I get what they're trying to do. One big tip most weight loss experts say is to slow down on eating..don't be in front of a computer.. chew.. take your time. That is good advice. So they build a diet around that and add a timer?
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elisa123gal wrote: »why does everything need to be so extreme? It isn't natural to eat one pile of food at a time on your plate. Do they realize how weird that is? Can you imagine going out to dinner in a social situation and doing that? Or worse.. talking about it. Shedding pounds is just common sense when you get down to it.. eat healthy foods ..move more..and seek balance where food doesn't dominate life. In short don't overeat.
I get what they're trying to do. One big tip most weight loss experts say is to slow down on eating..don't be in front of a computer.. chew.. take your time. That is good advice. So they build a diet around that and add a time
I know an autistic person who only eats one food at a time and doesn't like them on the same plate. When he comes to dinner I happily accommodate his needs but agree that this way of eating is not the norm [which is subjective?].5
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