Naturally Slim Program
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suziecue25 wrote: »elisa123gal wrote: »why does everything need to be so extreme? It isn't natural to eat one pile of food at a time on your plate. Do they realize how weird that is? Can you imagine going out to dinner in a social situation and doing that? Or worse.. talking about it. Shedding pounds is just common sense when you get down to it.. eat healthy foods ..move more..and seek balance where food doesn't dominate life. In short don't overeat.
I get what they're trying to do. One big tip most weight loss experts say is to slow down on eating..don't be in front of a computer.. chew.. take your time. That is good advice. So they build a diet around that and add a time
I know an autistic person who only eats one food at a time and doesn't like them on the same plate.
My husband eats his dinner one food at a time, but for a reason. He always eats all the vegetables first, I guess to get past the thing he least likes in a hurry, then the other things, but each one at a time.4 -
lthames0810 wrote: »suziecue25 wrote: »elisa123gal wrote: »why does everything need to be so extreme? It isn't natural to eat one pile of food at a time on your plate. Do they realize how weird that is? Can you imagine going out to dinner in a social situation and doing that? Or worse.. talking about it. Shedding pounds is just common sense when you get down to it.. eat healthy foods ..move more..and seek balance where food doesn't dominate life. In short don't overeat.
I get what they're trying to do. One big tip most weight loss experts say is to slow down on eating..don't be in front of a computer.. chew.. take your time. That is good advice. So they build a diet around that and add a time
I know an autistic person who only eats one food at a time and doesn't like them on the same plate.
My husband eats his dinner one food at a time, but for a reason. He always eats all the vegetables first, I guess to get past the thing he least likes in a hurry, then the other things, but each one at a time.
Yes I get that [my 6 year old granddaughter saves the best til last lol] but the person I'm talking about will only eat an individual food, nothing mixed like chilli con carne, pasta bake, casserole etc.2 -
lthames0810 wrote: »suziecue25 wrote: »elisa123gal wrote: »why does everything need to be so extreme? It isn't natural to eat one pile of food at a time on your plate. Do they realize how weird that is? Can you imagine going out to dinner in a social situation and doing that? Or worse.. talking about it. Shedding pounds is just common sense when you get down to it.. eat healthy foods ..move more..and seek balance where food doesn't dominate life. In short don't overeat.
I get what they're trying to do. One big tip most weight loss experts say is to slow down on eating..don't be in front of a computer.. chew.. take your time. That is good advice. So they build a diet around that and add a time
I know an autistic person who only eats one food at a time and doesn't like them on the same plate.
My husband eats his dinner one food at a time, but for a reason. He always eats all the vegetables first, I guess to get past the thing he least likes in a hurry, then the other things, but each one at a time.
I did this as a child. I still tend to eat my vegetables first, and dislike separate foods running together. I'm fine with casseroles and soups, etc., but if it is served individually I like to keep it that way. My 14yo grosses me out by mixing his mashed potatoes, vegetables, and meat all together on his plate :sick: At least he eats it, though!2 -
suziecue25 wrote: »lthames0810 wrote: »suziecue25 wrote: »elisa123gal wrote: »why does everything need to be so extreme? It isn't natural to eat one pile of food at a time on your plate. Do they realize how weird that is? Can you imagine going out to dinner in a social situation and doing that? Or worse.. talking about it. Shedding pounds is just common sense when you get down to it.. eat healthy foods ..move more..and seek balance where food doesn't dominate life. In short don't overeat.
I get what they're trying to do. One big tip most weight loss experts say is to slow down on eating..don't be in front of a computer.. chew.. take your time. That is good advice. So they build a diet around that and add a time
I know an autistic person who only eats one food at a time and doesn't like them on the same plate.
My husband eats his dinner one food at a time, but for a reason. He always eats all the vegetables first, I guess to get past the thing he least likes in a hurry, then the other things, but each one at a time.
Yes I get that [my 6 year old granddaughter saves the best til last lol] but the person I'm talking about will only eat an individual food, nothing mixed like chilli con carne, pasta bake, casserole etc.
On NS you are supposed to eat your favorite foods first, leaving the foods you like least (and often that is the nutritious vegetable dishes) for last. SO, you can fill up on items like fried chicken, a biscuit, and some mashed potatoes (eaten one at a time in order of preference with at least 25% of the meal as protein). If you still have room in your loosely held fist measure for food I suppose you could have a green bean or two.
So healthy! /sarcasm
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this thread really is solid public information! thanks for starting it5
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The thing that gets me is that even though this 'program' is free for you to use because of your husband's employer, his company is paying good money for this in a misguided attempt to improve the health of their employees. I'd imagine this package was sold to them on the basis that 'healthier employees are less of a burden on the company' which, in and of itself is true. The fly in the ointment here is that this program doesn't seem to have any benchmarks that would actually improve the employees health markers any.8
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Fitnessgirl0913 wrote: »suziecue25 wrote: »OneRatGirl wrote: »I love some veg. I've been known to eat a bowl of mashed Swede/turnip (it is mashed with butter though). I also love sweet potato in any form, I crave it sometimes. My mum used to eat a whole bowl of green beans as they were. She also loved cauliflower cheese, light on the cheese sauce. Some of us love veg.
I agree with the concept of meeting emotional needs to stop overeating, but it's flawed in many ways. As said, it ignores several senses. But also, let me just fix my financial security tomorrow.
And "empathy" feels vague. Giving or receiving? Kind of feels like an option for somebody to pick to feel better about themself, if the former.
I agree with the consensus that most is woo woo. But the forums sound incredibly toxic on top of that.
Mashed swede and carrot [with butter and pepper] is one of my favourite veggies. Couldn't live without veggies
Sometimes I will just eat a bag of peas for dinner because they are my favorite and are surprisingly filling for me. My favorite things to do with leftover Christmas or Easter Ham is cut it up into bite sized pieces and mix it in with peas.
I also am addicted to green peppers and eat whole green pepper everyday with my lunch.
So nice to see another person with similar 'tastes'!
Green peas with a dab of butter are one of my favorite SWEET treats - go figure!
I'm partial to a sweet Red pepper, and wish they were as low cost as the green ones.4 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »The thing that gets me is that even though this 'program' is free for you to use because of your husband's employer, his company is paying good money for this in a misguided attempt to improve the health of their employees. I'd imagine this package was sold to them on the basis that 'healthier employees are less of a burden on the company' which, in and of itself is true. The fly in the ointment here is that this program doesn't seem to have any benchmarks that would actually improve the employees health markers any.
Agreed. Absolutely encourage your husband to provide feedback, or do it yourself. It's shady as heck that his employer is being (in my mind) fleeced for some pseudo science mumbo jumbo that seems more likely to encourage disordered eating than anything.5 -
EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »
Absolutely. I did some digging and the cost is crazy, considering what you get is a box with a 'journal' ( useless to me as it has a lot of crap all over the pages I won't use) and a tape measure, a airport bag of peanuts and 10 pringles--which you're only supposed to eat a couple of for the early make-out-with-your-food introductory exercise on video. And then access (one week at a time, no longer available once you finish the week) to eight weeks of canned videos and their toxic message boards. And they get something in the neighborhood of $200/person for it (the corporate rate for special employee torture) or $450-$600 if you're going it on your own (depending on whether you pay the entire amount up front or want to spread it out.2 -
I would not say a word to his boss.. act grateful.. then...mush your peas into your mashed potatoes and eat away and give off the vibe of a team player.
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melaniedscott wrote: »EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »
Absolutely. I did some digging and the cost is crazy, considering what you get is a box with a 'journal' ( useless to me as it has a lot of crap all over the pages I won't use) and a tape measure, a airport bag of peanuts and 10 pringles--which you're only supposed to eat a couple of for the early make-out-with-your-food introductory exercise on video. And then access (one week at a time, no longer available once you finish the week) to eight weeks of canned videos and their toxic message boards. And they get something in the neighborhood of $200/person for it (the corporate rate for special employee torture) or $450-$600 if you're going it on your own (depending on whether you pay the entire amount up front or want to spread it out.
That would actually be pretty hysterical if it wasn't so freaking sad.
PS: What happens if you have a peanut allergy?
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EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »It's interesting to see how you're going about this program and evaluating it (and which parts work for you) without being drawn into the apparently-cultish side of it - thanks for the reports!EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »
This week we learned about Vital Needs, exercise, and goal setting. Overall the lessons were benign, and didn't offer me much as I am not an emotional consumer for the most part.
Vital Needs are a set of emotional needs that, when filled, will help keep you from overeating due to stress and anxiety. There are 25 of them, and you are asked to pick 7 that speak to your emotional needs. If you are interested in the full list, let me know. Some examples are needed personal time, sleep, touch, or humor.
I would be interested in seeing this list, if you don't mind. I tend to be somewhat of an emotional eater at times (sadness, boredom, stress, etc.) and can always use some new ideas to ponder over! I had never thought about things like touch or humour being "needs", so I'm curious to see what else is on the list.
Your wish is my command! 😊
Personal time
Giving to others/volunteering
Recognition for achievement
Movement
Sleep
Approval or acceptance
Order and closure
Time alone
Territory (like a man cave or she shed)
Financial security
Being with people
Anticipation
Competition
Learning new things
Listening to music
Touch
Having a project
Variety of experiences (doing new things)
Structured time (routine)
Unstructured time (no set routine)
One-on-one attention
Group relationships
Empathy
Humor
Sprituality
They also mention job satisfaction, but say it is a way to meet your needs from the list.
You are supposed to select 7, then decide their priority for you. This list is used to provide for your emotional needs so food doesn't have to.
If you want more information on any specific needs, they have some tips. Just let me know!
While the list is kind of woo-woo, I agree with the general principle. When I started losing weight I knew that it would be almost impossible to give up pleasure from food without making some other improvements in my life, so I made a list. A couple of them were long-term issues between me and my husband that I told him I was just done with, that finally got resolved after years of being problems. Then I redid the kitchen so I didn't hate it, got a new sofa, and rearranged my back yard so it was a pleasant and useable space. And so on. Getting rid of the long-term issues was the main thing though, it greatly reduced my need to try to make myself feel better by overeating.11 -
I did some reading to see what reviews and studies are available of this system, and every "study" of how effective it was, turned out to be on a page which was pretending not to be the same people who came up with it. Very shady.10
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snickerscharlie wrote: »melaniedscott wrote: »EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »
Absolutely. I did some digging and the cost is crazy, considering what you get is a box with a 'journal' ( useless to me as it has a lot of crap all over the pages I won't use) and a tape measure, a airport bag of peanuts and 10 pringles--which you're only supposed to eat a couple of for the early make-out-with-your-food introductory exercise on video. And then access (one week at a time, no longer available once you finish the week) to eight weeks of canned videos and their toxic message boards. And they get something in the neighborhood of $200/person for it (the corporate rate for special employee torture) or $450-$600 if you're going it on your own (depending on whether you pay the entire amount up front or want to spread it out.
That would actually be pretty hysterical if it wasn't so freaking sad.
PS: What happens if you have a peanut allergy?
You just watch the exercise, or sub something else.
The exercise is about taste satisfaction. You learn there is just as much flavor in 1/4 of a peanut eaten slowly as there is in one.0 -
The Pringles and peanuts are part of an exercise in taste satisfaction. You smell one chip, lick it, then eat it slowly. Then you eat a chip as fast as you can. Which tasted better? What flavor did you taste eating slowly vs fast?
Repeat with the peanuts.0 -
So basically it is a program to teach you how to eat intuitively?
I couldn't do it. I rely very heavily on my logging and counting. Knowing I am in a deficit on days I intend to be in one relaxes me. It also helped me get over my very negative relationship with my bathroom scale.
I am always up to learn something new though so I will be following this thread.
You can't teach someone how to eat intuitively. The whole idea of intuitive eating is that you eat according to your body's wants and needs3 -
EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »The Pringles and peanuts are part of an exercise in taste satisfaction. You smell one chip, lick it, then eat it slowly. Then you eat a chip as fast as you can. Which tasted better? What flavor did you taste eating slowly vs fast?
Repeat with the peanuts.
Have you and your hubby actually been doing this stuff? I know that at my house, we wouldn't make it past the chip-licking bit. 8 -
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snickerscharlie wrote: »EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »The Pringles and peanuts are part of an exercise in taste satisfaction. You smell one chip, lick it, then eat it slowly. Then you eat a chip as fast as you can. Which tasted better? What flavor did you taste eating slowly vs fast?
Repeat with the peanuts.
Have you and your hubby actually been doing this stuff? I know that at my house, we wouldn't make it past the chip-licking bit.
We did, and felt utterly ridiculous.
We also got the point of the exercise - that you taste more when you eat slowly. 🙄 I am NOT going to be breaking my peanuts into quarters, however. There is a limit! 🤣🤣🤣9 -
Here is an example of the kinds of stellar advice you can expect from the moderator, and some of the NS faithful.
"Don't count the calories. If you are counting calories you are most likely not eating foods you love. Foods that make your mouth water. Remember, counting calories is a diet and they are not a lifestyle change that is maintainable. A fist sized meal of foods you love is maintainable. "7 -
I have small hands. I'd starve. :noway:EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »Here is an example of the kinds of stellar advice you can expect from the moderator, and some of the NS faithful.
"Don't count the calories. If you are counting calories you are most likely not eating foods you love. Foods that make your mouth water. Remember, counting calories is a diet and they are not a lifestyle change that is maintainable. A fist sized meal of foods you love is maintainable. "16 -
EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »My husband's employer has offered us the Naturally Slim program at no charge, and we decided to give it a try. We just completed week 1 and I must say, it is giving me conflicted feelings.
For anyone wondering, the program is meant to retrain the way you eat and behave around food. Essentially you chew slowly, eat only one thing on your plate at a time (no combining flavors) to satisfy your brain's 'taste center' , and you eat using a timer (10 minutes eating, 5 minute break to evaluate your hunger levels), then 10 or more minutes eating if needed).
You are supposed to think of your portions in terms of stomach size - they use a loosely held fist. You are also supposed to sip a 7:1 ratio of water to OJ through the day to level out blood sugar. No snacks. Ever.
They encourage food diaries but greatly discourage calorie tracking, or eliminating any foods from your diet (so, no low-carb or keto as they are evidently the devil).
Basically eat slowly at a calorie deficit, and stop when you are full. **mind blown**
Anyone else out there doing this? The NS message boards are not supportive - in fact a small number of NS devotees respond to most people and it feels somewhat cult like. I saw some older threads about the program, but didn't want to resurrect a zombie thread.
Thanks!
That program actually doesn’t sound bad it teaches you how to basically eat intuitively without having rely on tools and strict diets. What could be better than that?
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EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »Here is an example of the kinds of stellar advice you can expect from the moderator, and some of the NS faithful.
"Don't count the calories. If you are counting calories you are most likely not eating foods you love. Foods that make your mouth water. Remember, counting calories is a diet and they are not a lifestyle change that is maintainable. A fist sized meal of foods you love is maintainable. "
Although I disagree with the bolded I don’t see anything wrong with what she said, she just has a different perspective when it comes to counting calories. Some people view counting calories as a diet program because it’s a tool where you have to rely on something everyday in order to lose weight or maintain some people don’t see that as a lifestyle they want. They’d rather learn eating in moderation. Some people just don’t like counting and looking at every calorie they put in their body.
It’s whatever works for the invidual and what they’d prefer.11 -
EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »My husband's employer has offered us the Naturally Slim program at no charge, and we decided to give it a try. We just completed week 1 and I must say, it is giving me conflicted feelings.
For anyone wondering, the program is meant to retrain the way you eat and behave around food. Essentially you chew slowly, eat only one thing on your plate at a time (no combining flavors) to satisfy your brain's 'taste center' , and you eat using a timer (10 minutes eating, 5 minute break to evaluate your hunger levels), then 10 or more minutes eating if needed).
You are supposed to think of your portions in terms of stomach size - they use a loosely held fist. You are also supposed to sip a 7:1 ratio of water to OJ through the day to level out blood sugar. No snacks. Ever.
They encourage food diaries but greatly discourage calorie tracking, or eliminating any foods from your diet (so, no low-carb or keto as they are evidently the devil).
Basically eat slowly at a calorie deficit, and stop when you are full. **mind blown**
Anyone else out there doing this? The NS message boards are not supportive - in fact a small number of NS devotees respond to most people and it feels somewhat cult like. I saw some older threads about the program, but didn't want to resurrect a zombie thread.
Thanks!
That program actually doesn’t sound bad it teaches you how to basically eat intuitively without having rely on tools and strict diets. What could be better than that?
You are right. Eat whatever you want, lose weight, and do it almost effortlessly? Sign me up!
Well, they did.
What could be better? How about science? This program makes a lot of claims that don't seem based in anything but anecdotes or stories. What has been a concern is how they discourage their members from eating certain kinds of food, like casseroles, salads, and soups.
I think discouraging people from eating vegetables, or doing even occasional calorie tracking, is not helpful. Pushing them to eat unhealthy foods because they make their mouth water... For shaming people for eating breakfast, eating a snack, or for even talking about healthy foods rather than what makes their mouths water .... That is not ok.18 -
Sure, do what works for you, just don't go in blind. This program is very mysterious from the outside, and once inside I have been instructed to eschew my doctor's advice in favor of their principles.
Do what works best for you, but ask questions. Be safe. Think for yourself.10 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »The Pringles and peanuts are part of an exercise in taste satisfaction. You smell one chip, lick it, then eat it slowly. Then you eat a chip as fast as you can. Which tasted better? What flavor did you taste eating slowly vs fast?
Repeat with the peanuts.
Have you and your hubby actually been doing this stuff? I know that at my house, we wouldn't make it past the chip-licking bit.
Is is bad that this is pretty much how I actually eat crisps.
As in, I've always licked the flavouring off it first, and then eaten the actual body of it. I feel like it means I can enjoy all the flavour if I eat it like that. Because damnit, if I'm spending those calories eating it, I'm going to damn well make sure that I get all of the flavour out of it.
Eating a quarter of a nut is daft though. I don't do that6 -
Is is bad that this is pretty much how I actually eat crisps.
As in, I've always licked the flavouring off it first, and then eaten the actual body of it. I feel like it means I can enjoy all the flavour if I eat it like that. Because damnit, if I'm spending those calories eating it, I'm going to damn well make sure that I get all of the flavour out of it.
Eating a quarter of a nut is daft though. I don't do that
BUT, in the same way a broken as hell clock is right twice a day, that's also the best way to eat peanut M&Ms. Eat the chocolate off the outside then crunch the peanut and if you leave the peanut whole you get imaginary points.
Crunching a whole M&M in one go is a fools game.EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »Here is an example of the kinds of stellar advice you can expect from the moderator, and some of the NS faithful.
"Don't count the calories. If you are counting calories you are most likely not eating foods you love. Foods that make your mouth water. Remember, counting calories is a diet and they are not a lifestyle change that is maintainable. A fist sized meal of foods you love is maintainable. "
They are actually doing the thing people accuse pure-CICO-theory of doing. "Eat cake or fried chicken all day if you want it's fine, nutrition means nothing"14 -
Is is bad that this is pretty much how I actually eat crisps.
As in, I've always licked the flavouring off it first, and then eaten the actual body of it. I feel like it means I can enjoy all the flavour if I eat it like that. Because damnit, if I'm spending those calories eating it, I'm going to damn well make sure that I get all of the flavour out of it.
Eating a quarter of a nut is daft though. I don't do that
BUT, in the same way a broken as hell clock is right twice a day, that's also the best way to eat peanut M&Ms. Eat the chocolate off the outside then crunch the peanut and if you leave the peanut whole you get imaginary points.
Crunching a whole M&M in one go is a fools game.
I mean, I 100% agree with you here, that is the best way of eating an M&M (and yes those imaginary point count!)
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EvilShenanigansTX wrote: »The Pringles and peanuts are part of an exercise in taste satisfaction. You smell one chip, lick it, then eat it slowly. Then you eat a chip as fast as you can. Which tasted better? What flavor did you taste eating slowly vs fast?
Repeat with the peanuts.
Pringles have the stated flavour on one side only, so do they tell you to compare sides and which you prefer?5
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