Getting sick is vile, miserable, and a waste of time - so do something about it!
Bry_Fitness70
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I hate getting sick. While this may seem to be a universal opinion among the human race, if attitudes and behavior are indicators, it is definitely an unpopular opinion.
People come to work sick. People come to social events sick. People send their kids to school and sporting events sick. People don't wash their hands after relieving themselves.
There is a thread on a FB fitness page where hundreds of people are encouraging someone who is sick to go ahead and go to the gym and thereby expose the world to whatever nasty *kitten* they are suffering through. How is it possible that it is 2019 and you do not understand how germs and bacteria spread?
Getting sick is vile, miserable, and a waste of time. If you are sick, stay home. Wash your hands. Stop jamming your fingers in your mouth. If everyone did this consistently there would be no future flu epidemics.
People come to work sick. People come to social events sick. People send their kids to school and sporting events sick. People don't wash their hands after relieving themselves.
There is a thread on a FB fitness page where hundreds of people are encouraging someone who is sick to go ahead and go to the gym and thereby expose the world to whatever nasty *kitten* they are suffering through. How is it possible that it is 2019 and you do not understand how germs and bacteria spread?
Getting sick is vile, miserable, and a waste of time. If you are sick, stay home. Wash your hands. Stop jamming your fingers in your mouth. If everyone did this consistently there would be no future flu epidemics.
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A lot of people can't afford to stay home when they're sick. Which means if they can't afford to stay home sick, they can't afford to stay home with their kids when they get sick. For some people that literally costs them money and in an age where far too many are struggling you can't really get mad at the person who decides they'd rather go in sick then lose a day's wages. Not everyone gets sick days or enough of them, and many companies now are bending over backwards to get out of paying for more than they have to. On top of that we live in a society where a lot of illnesses aren't taken seriously anymore. I agree with you on the proper hygiene for sure, but people going to school and work sick is less about ignorance and more about unfortunate necessity. Sick people should definitely be avoiding the gym though, no one's going to die from missing a workout.58
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Yes, esp when you work at a place where YOU HAVE SICK DAYS. If you work at someplace that you don't have sick days, and can't not work, then wear a mask and hand sanitize!13
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MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »A lot of people can't afford to stay home when they're sick. Which means if they can't afford to stay home sick, they can't afford to stay home with their kids when they get sick. For some people that literally costs them money and in an age where far too many are struggling you can't really get mad at the person who decides they'd rather go in sick then lose a day's wages. Not everyone gets sick days or enough of them, and many companies now are bending over backwards to get out of paying for more than they have to. On top of that we live in a society where a lot of illnesses aren't taken seriously anymore. I agree with you on the proper hygiene for sure, but people going to school and work sick is less about ignorance and more about unfortunate necessity. Sick people should definitely be avoiding the gym though, no one's going to die from missing a workout.
Then this will just be a never-ending vicious cycle of carriers infecting others, with many elderly and young children dying, and the rest of us losing untold billions in lost productivity during the flu season.RachelElser wrote: »Yes, esp when you work at a place where YOU HAVE SICK DAYS. If you work at someplace that you don't have sick days, and can't not work, then wear a mask and hand sanitize!
I agree, taking preventative measures if you have to come in would definitely help. I have seen food service people wiping their noses, sneezing into their hands, and then handling food and giving change out from the cash register. This is patient zero, infecting dozens of others. Maybe if enough people complain, some of these companies would be compelled to be more employee friendly and allow offer better benefits.
We have the capability to work at home where I am employed, and we STILL have people coming in deathly ill and coughing all over everything!
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I hate people not taking sick days they're entitled to. You don't get paid more for being infectious and it creates an expectation for other people not to take sick days who need them. With the gym tho, I know it's filthy no matter how clean it seems. So long as there's no one with bubonic plague I won't change my expectations much.
I like the little hygiene masks some people wear when they've got the sniffles (or to prevent catching the sniffles). I wish that would catch on more where I am.8 -
wear a mask really
when I worked for myself - I could take sick days and so could my children and they could take the extra day to really get well - but out here in America's working class - businesses don't give a damn if you are sick or if you spread it all over their work force...while they sit comfortably in a closed door office. 
wear a mask?..hell no I simply build up my immune system to be so strong it resists - let the dweeb hiding in the office leave themselves vulnerable. not me. 30 -
I agree that it's best for people to not go to work sick or send their kids to school sick, but for some, there are factors that make that a lot harder to do than just staying home or keeping kids home. I actually tend to feel bad for those people more so than annoyed by them.
Now optional things like the gym, you are right that there isn't an excuse for that.12 -
wear a mask?..hell no I simply build up my immune system to be so strong it resists
I just think it's a polite thing to do if you're sick and have to go outside. Very common in other parts of the world, just not where I am.
Also; they make little cotton ones with cat mouths on them and I want one (I am a responsible adult I swear)16 -
There's also the issue that people with viruses are often contagious a couple of days before they show symptoms and most viruses are airborne as well as transmitted by touch. Until we find the magic bullet virus immunization there's really no way to prevent the spread of the cold/flu du jour. Also, people who are out in public coughing and sneezing may be past the contagious stage and into the gross stage. All we can do is practice strict personal hygiene and pray the person standing next to you in the elevator won't suddenly start hacking up a lung into the open air
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Not going to the gym when you're sick I completely agree with but places like work/school is more difficult. I've never taken a day off work even if I am sick because my work doesn't have sick days and since I'm just a student and only work part time I can't afford to take a day off. I can take days off from college, yes, but I don't like doing it in case I miss something important.
Some people aren't lucky enough to work somewhere that allows you sick days or are able to stay off school or keep their kids off from school.13 -
Tell my boss how important it is for me stay home and I will. I get plenty of sick and personal days, but the demands of my job are too great especially since I work in the medical field. Go figure.
As for the gym, not sure how any one can muster up the energy to go, but it depends on how sick sick is. I've worked out and it just puts extra stress on my body on top of being sick, it only delays getting well. But each their own I suppose.5 -
I have RA and take medication to supress my immune system, it sucks getting sick. I have to be super careful around sick people. Stay home, if you can.11
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There's also the issue that people with viruses are often contagious a couple of days before they show symptoms and most viruses are airborne as well as transmitted by touch. Until we find the magic bullet virus immunization there's really no way to prevent the spread of the cold/flu du jour. Also, people who are out in public coughing and sneezing may be past the contagious stage and into the gross stage. All we can do is practice strict personal hygiene and pray the person standing next to you in the elevator won't suddenly start hacking up a lung into the open air
^^^ This! I try to make sure I take my sick days when I can. Especially because I work with people who are at-risk. But when I get sick, I wonder how much I've been spreading around before I knew I was sick?! It's a horrifying thought, really. This is why I just hand sanitize randomly through the day. Just in case. Particularly if anyone I know is sick and showing symptoms.
I have also been in the situation where I couldn't afford to take off when I was sick. Working retail with people nonetheless. So I had sanitizer hanging off my lanyard. If I touched my face, blew my nose, touched a door knob, a phone, or anything else many people touched I would use it. It's about all you can do!6 -
Tell my boss how important it is for me stay home and I will. I get plenty of sick and personal days, but the demands of my job are too great especially since I work in the medical field. Go figure.
As for the gym, not sure how any one can muster up the energy to go, but it depends on how sick sick is. I've worked out and it just puts extra stress on my body on top of being sick, it only delays getting well. But each their own I suppose.
This is the same battle as providing wellness support in general, trying to get employers to evolve from being reactive to proactive. Paying 2-3 employees to stay home for a few days will increase your productivity when you understand that the alternative is having 20 employees sick, being less productive, and infecting others.
There are times when I have been sick where it actually sounds good to raise my heart rate and work up a sweat (probably due to old wives' tales of sweating out illnesses or something similarly woo-ish in the back of my head). I always do something solo and isolated, like the treadmill / bike trainer / HIIT in my basement or I go outside if the weather is reasonable. There is no way I'm going to go into a crowded gym sick, sweat all over the equipment, give it a cursory wipe down with that spray stuff that most certainly doesn't kill viruses, and let somebody else use it and get sick.3 -
RachelElser wrote: »Yes, esp when you work at a place where YOU HAVE SICK DAYS. If you work at someplace that you don't have sick days, and can't not work, then wear a mask and hand sanitize!
Even when I worked at a place that had sick days, it counted against you on your performance review if you needed too many of them in a quarter.12 -
Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »How is it possible that it is 2019 and you do not understand how germs and bacteria spread?
Well given how many people think vaccines are harmful...I say across the river from a measles outbreak.Getting sick is vile, miserable, and a waste of time. If you are sick, stay home. Wash your hands. Stop jamming your fingers in your mouth. If everyone did this consistently there would be no future flu epidemics.
Part of the other issue is that some workplaces either don't allow for (paid) sick leave and others have such small allowances that it either has already gotten used up or someone is saving it for when they're sicker.16 -
Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »A lot of people can't afford to stay home when they're sick. Which means if they can't afford to stay home sick, they can't afford to stay home with their kids when they get sick. For some people that literally costs them money and in an age where far too many are struggling you can't really get mad at the person who decides they'd rather go in sick then lose a day's wages. Not everyone gets sick days or enough of them, and many companies now are bending over backwards to get out of paying for more than they have to. On top of that we live in a society where a lot of illnesses aren't taken seriously anymore. I agree with you on the proper hygiene for sure, but people going to school and work sick is less about ignorance and more about unfortunate necessity. Sick people should definitely be avoiding the gym though, no one's going to die from missing a workout.
Then this will just be a never-ending vicious cycle of carriers infecting others, with many elderly and young children dying, and the rest of us losing untold billions in lost productivity during the flu season.RachelElser wrote: »Yes, esp when you work at a place where YOU HAVE SICK DAYS. If you work at someplace that you don't have sick days, and can't not work, then wear a mask and hand sanitize!
I agree, taking preventative measures if you have to come in would definitely help. I have seen food service people wiping their noses, sneezing into their hands, and then handling food and giving change out from the cash register. This is patient zero, infecting dozens of others. Maybe if enough people complain, some of these companies would be compelled to be more employee friendly and allow offer better benefits.
We have the capability to work at home where I am employed, and we STILL have people coming in deathly ill and coughing all over everything!
Yes - this is a real problem in the food service industry, where most employees often do not get sick days and so feel forced to come in and work while sick, and handle the food other people eat.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/19/449213511/survey-half-of-food-workers-go-to-work-sick-because-they-have-to
...Fifty-one percent of food workers — who do everything from grow and process food to cook and serve it — said they "always" or "frequently" go to work when they're sick, according to the results of a survey released Monday. An additional 38 percent said they go to work sick "sometimes."
...Though some people might be tempted to point a finger at the workers for going to work sick, the reality of their situation helps explain why they do it, says Jose Oliva, co-director of the Food Chain Workers Alliance. "A lot of these workers actually depend on every single one of the days that they work for money," Oliva says. "So if you don't go to work, you don't get paid."
Indeed, a 2012 study from Oliva's Food Chain Workers Alliance and the Restaurant Opportunities Centers United found that 79 percent of food system workers did not have paid sick days or did not know whether they did. Similar to the current study, the 2012 report also found that 53 percent of workers had worked when they were sick.
And Oliva points to another factor in the equation: low wages. Many of the lowest-paying jobs in America are in the food industry, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. If workers were making a living wage, Oliva says, they might have more flexibility to take an unpaid day when needed.10 -
Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »Tell my boss how important it is for me stay home and I will. I get plenty of sick and personal days, but the demands of my job are too great especially since I work in the medical field. Go figure.
As for the gym, not sure how any one can muster up the energy to go, but it depends on how sick sick is. I've worked out and it just puts extra stress on my body on top of being sick, it only delays getting well. But each their own I suppose.
This is the same battle as providing wellness support in general, trying to get employers to evolve from being reactive to proactive. Paying 2-3 employees to stay home for a few days will increase your productivity when you understand that the alternative is having 20 employees sick, being less productive, and infecting others.
There are times when I have been sick where it actually sounds good to raise my heart rate and work up a sweat (probably due to old wives' tales of sweating out illnesses or something similarly woo-ish in the back of my head). I always do something solo and isolated, like the treadmill / bike trainer / HIIT in my basement or I go outside if the weather is reasonable. There is no way I'm going to go into a crowded gym sick, sweat all over the equipment, give it a cursory wipe down with that spray stuff that most certainly doesn't kill viruses, and let somebody else use it and get sick.
In theory I agree with you on this, but no matter what you do you'll always have people who insist on coming to work (or the gym) sick.
I understand that not everyone can take sick days but it all comes down to common sense, which is lacking these days. If you ARE sick wash your hands often, be careful about what you touch, cover your mouth, etc. I know several people who just resign themselves to "oh, it's flu season, guess we'll all get it!" and just don't care. I DO care however, because thankfully I rarely get sick so use manners and common sense people.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »A lot of people can't afford to stay home when they're sick. Which means if they can't afford to stay home sick, they can't afford to stay home with their kids when they get sick. For some people that literally costs them money and in an age where far too many are struggling you can't really get mad at the person who decides they'd rather go in sick then lose a day's wages. Not everyone gets sick days or enough of them, and many companies now are bending over backwards to get out of paying for more than they have to. On top of that we live in a society where a lot of illnesses aren't taken seriously anymore. I agree with you on the proper hygiene for sure, but people going to school and work sick is less about ignorance and more about unfortunate necessity. Sick people should definitely be avoiding the gym though, no one's going to die from missing a workout.
Then this will just be a never-ending vicious cycle of carriers infecting others, with many elderly and young children dying, and the rest of us losing untold billions in lost productivity during the flu season.RachelElser wrote: »Yes, esp when you work at a place where YOU HAVE SICK DAYS. If you work at someplace that you don't have sick days, and can't not work, then wear a mask and hand sanitize!
I agree, taking preventative measures if you have to come in would definitely help. I have seen food service people wiping their noses, sneezing into their hands, and then handling food and giving change out from the cash register. This is patient zero, infecting dozens of others. Maybe if enough people complain, some of these companies would be compelled to be more employee friendly and allow offer better benefits.
We have the capability to work at home where I am employed, and we STILL have people coming in deathly ill and coughing all over everything!
Yes - this is a real problem in the food service industry, where most employees often do not get sick days and so feel forced to come in and work while sick, and handle the food other people eat.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/19/449213511/survey-half-of-food-workers-go-to-work-sick-because-they-have-to
...Fifty-one percent of food workers — who do everything from grow and process food to cook and serve it — said they "always" or "frequently" go to work when they're sick, according to the results of a survey released Monday. An additional 38 percent said they go to work sick "sometimes."
...Though some people might be tempted to point a finger at the workers for going to work sick, the reality of their situation helps explain why they do it, says Jose Oliva, co-director of the Food Chain Workers Alliance. "A lot of these workers actually depend on every single one of the days that they work for money," Oliva says. "So if you don't go to work, you don't get paid."
Indeed, a 2012 study from Oliva's Food Chain Workers Alliance and the Restaurant Opportunities Centers United found that 79 percent of food system workers did not have paid sick days or did not know whether they did. Similar to the current study, the 2012 report also found that 53 percent of workers had worked when they were sick.
And Oliva points to another factor in the equation: low wages. Many of the lowest-paying jobs in America are in the food industry, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. If workers were making a living wage, Oliva says, they might have more flexibility to take an unpaid day when needed.
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I work in Healthcare, full-time hours. I don't happen to get ETO or benefits (a choice I made, for flexibility and pay, I am insured as are our children, through my husband's employer). So if I don't work, I don't get paid. That isn't my deciding factor. My deciding factor is, my schedule is made out 6-8 weeks in advance. If I have to call out due to illness, I get a point. If it's a holiday or on call day, I get two points if I call out. At 6 points, I get a written warning in my file that prevents me from being eligible for a raise for a year. At 9 points, I lose my job. So unless I am so ill I can't leave the house, I go to work. I take appropriate medications, I wash my hands even more than usual, I use disinfecting wipes multiple times per day on my work station, etc.
Do I understand that I am likely spreading my virus? Yes, yes I do. I also understand that my employer doesn't give a *kitten* and they have a Monopoly in the area.
Heck, I had to fight not to take a bunch of points in December, when I tripped in the parking garage at work and banged the ever living hell out of my skull on a metal rail. I missed 5 total days of work over two weeks for that (and struggled a bit for another week, while working).20 -
wear a mask really wear a mask?..hell no I simply build up my immune system to be so strong it resists - let the dweeb hiding in the office leave themselves vulnerable. not me.
Wow....so I guess your objections to wearing a mask trump those around you who might now be able to "build up their immune system" and could literally die from other's germs? I'm immunocompromised - been on low dose chemotherapy for eight years now. When people start getting sick in my office I wear a mask to protect myself so I guess that makes me a vulnerable dweeb hiding....
I also have amazing co-workers who actually care about each other who have also started masking themselves during times where we have a lot of call-outs - mainly because it's difficult to know if you are carrying a virus as signs aren't always visible at first. We care about each other regardless of how strong one another's immune systems are. I didn't realize having compassion was so outdated...
You never know what the person next to you is going through so may be something you could try to be a little kinder about.
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Tell my boss how important it is for me stay home and I will. I get plenty of sick and personal days, but the demands of my job are too great especially since I work in the medical field. Go figure.
As for the gym, not sure how any one can muster up the energy to go, but it depends on how sick sick is. I've worked out and it just puts extra stress on my body on top of being sick, it only delays getting well. But each their own I suppose.
It's so weird how hospitals are terrible about sick days! I called in THREE times in three years, and the second time my boss asked "How sick are you reallllllllly? Can't you come in for 8 out of your 12 hours?" Seriously, YOU JUST HEARD ME VOMIT WHILE TALKING TO YOU! She backed off when I point blank asked her if she was asking me to come in while contagious to be around immune compromised people? Did I have a track record of using time superfluously and did we need to have an HR meeting?15 -
My place of employment switched from a Vacation/Sick day system to generic PTO a few years ago. It was widely celebrated at the time as they weren't reducing the amount of days, just removing the designation, so the perception was widely "Woo! Another week of vacation!" The net effect, which I feared initially and I perceive has come to fruition (strictly through observation, no hard data to support) is that the vast majority of people are far more inclined to come to work sick because they now feel like they lose a vacation day if they stay home. Listening to countless people hack, cough, and sneeze throughout the cube farm over the too-short dividers was enraging before, but even more now that I have a 2-month old at home.11
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I was one of those, years ago, who thought "I am so important to work that I must go in even when sick." Then I realised... I was making my TEAM sick, and that would simply spread, pun intended. So our management started encouraging people to stay home if sick. Work remotely, if you could (although we didn't have a formal policy to do so.)
Now I realise that was a privilege. Many people simply don't have the sick days. Employers are counting those against employees. It's terrible, it's very political, and it's going to happen, especially with anti-vaxxers who count on herd immunity to save them.
I'm currently unemployed and saw a post on LinkedIn last week that was titled "Sick Days Are a Thing of the Past." *shudder*5 -
I'm home sick right now. The boss isn't happy about it, but oh well. He isn't the one sitting in traffic for hours with a raging belly and headache or facing clients who want to punch me for breathing all manner of nastiness on them.
/vent lol. I'm all for using the time if you can.7 -
I was one of those, years ago, who thought "I am so important to work that I must go in even when sick." Then I realised... I was making my TEAM sick, and that would simply spread, pun intended. So our management started encouraging people to stay home if sick. Work remotely, if you could (although we didn't have a formal policy to do so.)
Now I realise that was a privilege. Many people simply don't have the sick days. Employers are counting those against employees. It's terrible, it's very political, and it's going to happen, especially with anti-vaxxers who count on herd immunity to save them.
I'm currently unemployed and saw a post on LinkedIn last week that was titled "Sick Days Are a Thing of the Past." *shudder*
The workplace culture in the 80s and 90s (and beyond) glorified working while sick. "I can't believe you came in after staying up all night puking and with a 102-degree temperature, impressive!". There has been a shift as a more rational perception towards sickness has evolved (in some places), but I still hear people receiving praise for making it to work while sick, which is baffling.3 -
chunky_pinup wrote: »wear a mask really wear a mask?..hell no I simply build up my immune system to be so strong it resists - let the dweeb hiding in the office leave themselves vulnerable. not me.
Wow....so I guess your objections to wearing a mask trump those around you who might now be able to "build up their immune system" and could literally die from other's germs? I'm immunocompromised - been on low dose chemotherapy for eight years now. When people start getting sick in my office I wear a mask to protect myself so I guess that makes me a vulnerable dweeb hiding....
I also have amazing co-workers who actually care about each other who have also started masking themselves during times where we have a lot of call-outs - mainly because it's difficult to know if you are carrying a virus as signs aren't always visible at first. We care about each other regardless of how strong one another's immune systems are. I didn't realize having compassion was so outdated...
You never know what the person next to you is going through so may be something you could try to be a little kinder about.
I don't get sick. people around me get sick and spill their germs all over the damn place. I don't get sick.
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chunky_pinup wrote: »wear a mask really wear a mask?..hell no I simply build up my immune system to be so strong it resists - let the dweeb hiding in the office leave themselves vulnerable. not me.
Wow....so I guess your objections to wearing a mask trump those around you who might now be able to "build up their immune system" and could literally die from other's germs? I'm immunocompromised - been on low dose chemotherapy for eight years now. When people start getting sick in my office I wear a mask to protect myself so I guess that makes me a vulnerable dweeb hiding....
I also have amazing co-workers who actually care about each other who have also started masking themselves during times where we have a lot of call-outs - mainly because it's difficult to know if you are carrying a virus as signs aren't always visible at first. We care about each other regardless of how strong one another's immune systems are. I didn't realize having compassion was so outdated...
You never know what the person next to you is going through so may be something you could try to be a little kinder about.
I don't get sick. people around me get sick and spill their germs all over the damn place. I don't get sick.
The advice to wear a mask was for people who were sick but feel unable to call into work. If you don't get sick, your refusal to wear a mask doesn't make sense. Literally nobody is advising or asking you to in the absence of illness.
Illness doesn't just happen to "dweebs," claiming it does is very ignorant.21 -
The other contributor these days is the whole "open office space" thing. One contagious person and all of a sudden 50 people are exposed to the virus. Esp true if the person does not even KNOW they are sick yet. Sigh. I got the flu last year and I had not had it in 10 years prior.1
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nicsflyingcircus wrote: »I work in Healthcare, full-time hours. I don't happen to get ETO or benefits (a choice I made, for flexibility and pay, I am insured as are our children, through my husband's employer). So if I don't work, I don't get paid. That isn't my deciding factor. My deciding factor is, my schedule is made out 6-8 weeks in advance. If I have to call out due to illness, I get a point. If it's a holiday or on call day, I get two points if I call out. At 6 points, I get a written warning in my file that prevents me from being eligible for a raise for a year. At 9 points, I lose my job. So unless I am so ill I can't leave the house, I go to work. I take appropriate medications, I wash my hands even more than usual, I use disinfecting wipes multiple times per day on my work station, etc.
Do I understand that I am likely spreading my virus? Yes, yes I do. I also understand that my employer doesn't give a *kitten* and they have a Monopoly in the area.
Heck, I had to fight not to take a bunch of points in December, when I tripped in the parking garage at work and banged the ever living hell out of my skull on a metal rail. I missed 5 total days of work over two weeks for that (and struggled a bit for another week, while working).
Wow. The hypocrisy in healthcare has no bounds. Hope your head feels better. Question- if you work full time hours and your schedule is locked in 6-8 weeks in advance, what flexibility do you get in this job?2 -
chunky_pinup wrote: »wear a mask really wear a mask?..hell no I simply build up my immune system to be so strong it resists - let the dweeb hiding in the office leave themselves vulnerable. not me.
Wow....so I guess your objections to wearing a mask trump those around you who might now be able to "build up their immune system" and could literally die from other's germs? I'm immunocompromised - been on low dose chemotherapy for eight years now. When people start getting sick in my office I wear a mask to protect myself so I guess that makes me a vulnerable dweeb hiding....
I also have amazing co-workers who actually care about each other who have also started masking themselves during times where we have a lot of call-outs - mainly because it's difficult to know if you are carrying a virus as signs aren't always visible at first. We care about each other regardless of how strong one another's immune systems are. I didn't realize having compassion was so outdated...
You never know what the person next to you is going through so may be something you could try to be a little kinder about.
Do you work in Canada, by chance?2
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