Water Fast
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72 hours of complete fasting causes metabolic damage and slowdown, amount of fat storage doesn't matter. The metabolism slows to try and maintain the fat stores for as long as possible as a survival mechanism. Also, catabolism of muscle tissue occurs, including heart muscle tissue. Fasting for 18-24 hours has shown numerous hormonal benefits for men (not so much for women,) but anything over that really shows no benefit, and is actually detrimental and dangerous.This is the most dangerous idea I have seen so far today on the forums.
Not that I'm advocating fasting or anything, but the level of alarm I'm seeing at some of these threads seems a bit overblown.
The whole point of the human body storing fat is to be able to survive periods of not getting any food.
I guess what I'm saying is that there's a big difference between someone wanting to fast for a very short period of time for whatever reason (another post was locked because the poster mentioned they were doing a seven day fast for spiritual reasons), and someone advocating long term unhealthy deprivation.
As silly as the reasons for this OPs doing this may or may not be, I doubt that a 3-5 day fast is going to cause "starvation" for someone with plenty of fat stores.0 -
Disrupting your immune system?
Sounds legit.0 -
Technically fat cells do decrease. It's just a very long, slow process, but they do eventually die off.No. Fasting is not a cure for any autoimmune disease. There is no reliable information that fasting helps the symptoms of autoimmune diseases, either. I work in a human immunology and vaccine development research center. We have a definite focus on autoimmune diseases. The researchers here are largely MD, PhDs who work with patients in clinics as well as doing research. If there was a hint that fasting would help their patients in any way, they would be all over it.
BTW, went to one of your links. Here's a quote from the first you listed.
"Fasting causes hunger or stress. In response, the body releases more cholesterol, allowing it to utilize fat as a source of fuel, instead of glucose. This decreases the number of fat cells in the body," says Dr. Horne. "This is important because the fewer fat cells a body has, the less likely it will experience insulin resistance, or diabetes."
This is factually incorrect. Fat cell numbers don't decrease in adults. I stopped reading at this point since it's clear Dr. Horne has no idea what he's talking about.0 -
THANKS FOR THE INFO! NOW I'M TOTALLY THIRSTY!0
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I'm all for drinking a boat load of water to help with arthritis but, I have to have food with it.
Hope it all works out for you.0 -
THANKS FOR THE INFO! NOW I'M TOTALLY THIRSTY!
And I have to pee......0 -
Disrupting your immune system?
Sounds legit.
I mean.... Why wouldn't that be good for you? :huh:0 -
No. Fasting is not a cure for any autoimmune disease. There is no reliable information that fasting helps the symptoms of autoimmune diseases, either. I work in a human immunology and vaccine development research center. We have a definite focus on autoimmune diseases. The researchers here are largely MD, PhDs who work with patients in clinics as well as doing research. If there was a hint that fasting would help their patients in any way, they would be all over it.
BTW, went to one of your links. Here's a quote from the first you listed.
"Fasting causes hunger or stress. In response, the body releases more cholesterol, allowing it to utilize fat as a source of fuel, instead of glucose. This decreases the number of fat cells in the body," says Dr. Horne. "This is important because the fewer fat cells a body has, the less likely it will experience insulin resistance, or diabetes."
[/b]This is factually incorrect. Fat cell numbers don't decrease in adults.[/b] I stopped reading at this point since it's clear Dr. Horne has no idea what he's talking about.
Maybe they did liposuction at the same time.......0 -
MFP is used as a website for HEALTHY and reasonable weight loss and health. Water fasts do not fall under that philosophy.0
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Seriously? There are no nutrients in water so what are you giving your body fuel to live on?
You are doing yourself no favors.
There must be better ways to relieve the pain of arthritis besides not eating.
I have arthritis in my hips and knees. I use walking to relieve the pain. Doctor told me low impact exercise is the best thing for arthritis. So I either walk, ride my bike or use my Nordic trainer. I don't know of any doctor that would tell you to "water fast" for arthritis pain.0 -
How, exactly, does depriving your body of nutrients help it heal?
Where do people come up with this stuff?0 -
This sounds like a terrible idea.
QFT0 -
MFP is used as a website for HEALTHY and reasonable weight loss and health. Water fasts do not fall under that philosophy.
Nuthin unhealthy about not eating for a day or 20 -
How, exactly, does depriving your body of nutrients help it heal?
Where do people come up with this stuff?
Post Calvanist attitudes towards food, love, and what would otherwise be a healthy body image??? (Which is to say, "denial is ever-holy")0 -
I generally live by "to each their own" ... but I have to ask, what made you think posting this in the forum was a good idea? You're just looking for punishment... then again "to each their own".0
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I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.0
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I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
You *should* have more energy right now ...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/108372920 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
I smoke. It does funny things to my body.
Think I should stop breathing for a few days to give my lungs a break from how crappily I treat them?
Or would changing my habits be a wiser idea?0 -
According to several published studies. Water fasting can be a cure to Autoimmune disorders such as arthritis.
What? WHAT???
So...if I quit eating and fast, the arthritis in my knees will be cured? Really???
I suggest you keep drinking that water to detoxify yourself since you're still full of crap.0 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
I smoke. It does funny things to my body.
Think I should stop breathing for a few days to give my lungs a break from how crappily I treat them?
Or would changing my habits be a wiser idea?
There is no need to be nasty, and no **** you should quit.
My eating habits are normally very healthy but the past week I indulged far too much being with family. After this fast I won't be immediately going back into indulging again, I'm not an idiot, I'll be going back into healthy eating after this.0 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
I smoke. It does funny things to my body.
Think I should stop breathing for a few days to give my lungs a break from how crappily I treat them?
Or would changing my habits be a wiser idea?
There is no need to be nasty, and no **** you should quit.
My eating habits are normally very healthy but the past week I indulged far too much being with family. After this fast I won't be immediately going back into indulging again, I'm not an idiot, I'll be going back into healthy eating after this.
I honestly don't understand, why not just go back to healthy eating and skip the water fast? Your digestive system is made to digest things.0 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
I smoke. It does funny things to my body.
Think I should stop breathing for a few days to give my lungs a break from how crappily I treat them?
Or would changing my habits be a wiser idea?
Oh totally, quit breathing. Give those poor lungs a break! :bigsmile: :laugh: :bigsmile: :laugh: :bigsmile: :laugh:0 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
You *should* have more energy right now ...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292
Looking at your study, I noticed this part "The objective of this study was to test the hypothesis that in lean subjects under normal living conditions, short-term starvation leads to an increase in serum concentrations of catecholamines and thus to an increase in resting energy expenditure."
Notice the LEAN SUBJECTS part, last I checked I am nowhere near lean, granted I have enough energy to walk for a few miles, but the last thing I want to do is overexert myself right now.0 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
I smoke. It does funny things to my body.
Think I should stop breathing for a few days to give my lungs a break from how crappily I treat them?
Or would changing my habits be a wiser idea?
There is no need to be nasty, and no **** you should quit.
My eating habits are normally very healthy but the past week I indulged far too much being with family. After this fast I won't be immediately going back into indulging again, I'm not an idiot, I'll be going back into healthy eating after this.
I honestly don't understand, why not just go back to healthy eating and skip the water fast? Your digestive system is made to digest things.
The digestive system is also made to go without food for several days if needed thanks to evolution. This is my first fast ever, this isn't something "normal" for me so don't treat me like some ED kid without a clue.0 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
I smoke. It does funny things to my body.
Think I should stop breathing for a few days to give my lungs a break from how crappily I treat them?
Or would changing my habits be a wiser idea?
There is no need to be nasty, and no **** you should quit.
My eating habits are normally very healthy but the past week I indulged far too much being with family. After this fast I won't be immediately going back into indulging again, I'm not an idiot, I'll be going back into healthy eating after this.
Please explain to me how I was nasty. I did not insult you, your intelligence, call you names, or put down any tactic you are using to lose weight.
I merely presented you with a line of questions that mirrored your situation. We both want to be healthier, don't we?0 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
I smoke. It does funny things to my body.
Think I should stop breathing for a few days to give my lungs a break from how crappily I treat them?
Or would changing my habits be a wiser idea?
There is no need to be nasty, and no **** you should quit.
My eating habits are normally very healthy but the past week I indulged far too much being with family. After this fast I won't be immediately going back into indulging again, I'm not an idiot, I'll be going back into healthy eating after this.
I honestly don't understand, why not just go back to healthy eating and skip the water fast? Your digestive system is made to digest things.
The digestive system is also made to go without food for several days if needed thanks to evolution. This is my first fast ever, this isn't something "normal" for me so don't treat me like some ED kid without a clue.
I'm gonna chalk that one up to hangry.
And as far as evolution goes...you really don't have a clue. There is a difference between 'can survive doing this' and 'is healthy'.0 -
And as far as evolution goes...you really don't have a clue. There is a difference between 'can survive doing this' and 'is healthy'.
This.
A body can do any number of things. Go days without sleep. Days without water. Survive full body, 3rd degree burns. Just because we "can" do it does not mean it is a healthy thing.0 -
I am doing a 3 day water fast myself and just past the halfway point, I lost 2.4lbs in the first 24 hours. I'm not really doing it as a way to lose weight, just to give my body a break from how crappily I treated it food wise the past week. All of you can say it's not healthy, or that I'm starving myself but you would be wrong. I feel great and am having no adverse side effects besides what you would expect from any sort of fast, low energy.
I smoke. It does funny things to my body.
Think I should stop breathing for a few days to give my lungs a break from how crappily I treat them?
Or would changing my habits be a wiser idea?
There is no need to be nasty, and no **** you should quit.
My eating habits are normally very healthy but the past week I indulged far too much being with family. After this fast I won't be immediately going back into indulging again, I'm not an idiot, I'll be going back into healthy eating after this.
I honestly don't understand, why not just go back to healthy eating and skip the water fast? Your digestive system is made to digest things.
The digestive system is also made to go without food for several days if needed thanks to evolution. This is my first fast ever, this isn't something "normal" for me so don't treat me like some ED kid without a clue.
I'm gonna chalk that one up to hangry.
And as far as evolution goes...you really don't have a clue. There is a difference between 'can survive doing this' and 'is healthy'.
Lol, I'm actually not "hangry" nor hungry or whatever other silly way you want to say it.0 -
Lol, I'm actually not "hangry" nor hungry or whatever other silly way you want to say it.
They become irritable, frustrated, and often defensive. As this is a site where most members are aiming for calorie reduction, this happens often.0 -
I'm sorry, I can't imagine a water fast for any amount of time to be particularly enjoyable. I'd rather feel happy, healthy, and have energy to... you know... live.
IMO, I wouldn't jump into any water fast without supervision from a reliable doctor. But like a previous poster said, to each their own, I guess.0
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