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Eggs are Bad Again
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My family has been super lucky the last few years in that we have a steady supply of organic, free-range, blah blah blah eggs. My in-laws raise chickens on about 20 acres along with other animals. Every morning, they open the chicken house and those chickens graze all day on bugs, vegetable scraps and plants from their overrun gardens that need "cleaning" up and fertilizing. The in-laws have a Great Pyrenees that patrols the property to protect the animals from hawks and other predators and then at night, they are corralled back into the chicken house. Occasionally, my mother-in-law ferments some organic corn so the chickens get some probiotics (and a little tipsy too) AND she feeds them some of her leftover Scoby from kombucha when it grows too thick.
Probably the best eggs I ever had. Those egg yolks are very orange and yummy and make the best chocolate lava cakes ... LOL8 -
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hotel4dogs wrote: »My husband has had a quadruple bypass, a triple bypass, and 6 stents.
His cardiologist told him not to eat more than 2-4 eggs per month. He says that, if you don't have a genetic predisposition to high cholesterol, eggs are perfectly okay. But if you do, then they are not.
Yes I have strong family history, my body doesn't process cholesterol like others. I have to limit cheese, eggs etc. I'm fit, slim, doesn't matter..I've had 240 cholesterol in tests in the past. Personal trainer first cousin is similar.3 -
For some balance here, cutting out eggs helped me lower my high cholesterol and my doctor is happy with the difference it made.
I haven't eaten them in over a year and now I think they're kinda gross. You know, bird menstruation and all that...2 -
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kmsnow2011 wrote: »
Yep. Good link.1 -
Well *kitten*! I eat like 6 a day.1
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I don't eat eggs every day but almost. My cholesterol went from 228 last April to 151 now. So if that is bad, give me bad.4
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This article was of interest to me as my oh has a leaky heart valve. The doctor said cut cholesterol intake as a precaution. His was 5.8 which is nt bad. So no processed meat and no more than 2 eggs per week. So either with salad for lunch. Toast. Or we do a cooked vegan style breakfast occasionally. Hash brown scrambled egg, beans, simmered tomatoes and mushrooms. I am mainly plant based so this is normal for me but he loves it and says he doesn't t miss the bacon now. Over Christmas I did a gammon joint. But it was a one off.
I went to my daughters before Christmas and thought "what is that smell" ....lol it was bacon and I had forgotten what it smells like.
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Why oh why were we not told a million years ago that eggs are so terribly bad for us - and by extension - anything which comes out of an egg such as bird - like creatures, crocodiles, turtles, snails and what - have you - must be avoided at all cost? Mankind would be so much better without any kind and form of eggs!
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who do you believe when someone says there bad but others say their good,0
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estherpotter1 wrote: »who do you believe when someone says there bad but others say their good,
The one with objective evidence and comprehensive framework, rationale, and experience.5 -
I wish they'd quit selling these types of studies like they really mean anything.
Saying people who ate eggs (among who knows what else) are at a higher risk of anything isn't proof that the eggs are a problem. Now, what they need to do if they want to study the effects of eggs on people is looks at the actual science of lipid metabolism.
The issue with high cholesterol is usually nothing to do with eating too much cholesterol. Our body produces most of the cholesterol in our system. Many, many studies have been done that show that an increase in cholesterol in the diet doesn't increase cardiovascular disease.
In fact, it seems that over consumption of carbs stimulates increased production of cholesterol by the liver. Also, if people are eating healthy otherwise (not over eating) the body will not produce as much cholesterol and also you will be eating more HDL containing foods like fish, fish oil, nuts, seeds, beans, fibrous fruits which raise HDL. HDL helps eliminate cholesterol from the blood stream and walls of your arteries.
Bottom line, dietary cholesterol is only an issue if you have a poor diet, don't exercise, over eat and also are genetically predisposed to your body creating excessive cholesterol. Essentially you have to be doing all those things at once for dietary cholesterol to matter.1 -
I don't eat animal products, but this appears to be long-term correlation based on diet journal which means there will be multiple confounding variables and no causation. Generally, it's unwise to make dietary decisions based on correlation research alone. The most interesting finding was the effect seemed to be larger in those of lower bmi vs those of higher.
I believe https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2728487 is the study referenced.
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liftingbro wrote: »The issue with high cholesterol is usually nothing to do with eating too much cholesterol. Our body produces most of the cholesterol in our system. Many, many studies have been done that show that an increase in cholesterol in the diet doesn't increase cardiovascular disease.
Really?....From the link in the previous post. Yes the cholesterol & eggs can be bad.
Question Is consuming dietary cholesterol or eggs associated with incident cardiovascular disease (CVD) and all-cause mortality?
Findings Among 29 615 adults pooled from 6 prospective cohort studies in the United States with a median follow-up of 17.5 years, each additional 300 mg of dietary cholesterol consumed per day was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD (adjusted hazard ratio , 1.17; adjusted absolute risk difference [ARD], 3.24%) and all-cause mortality (adjusted HR, 1.18; adjusted ARD, 4.43%), and each additional half an egg consumed per day was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD (adjusted HR, 1.06; adjusted ARD, 1.11%) and all-cause mortality (adjusted HR, 1.08; adjusted ARD, 1.93%).
Meaning Among US adults, higher consumption of dietary cholesterol or eggs was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD and all-cause mortality in a dose-response manner.
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liftingbro wrote: »The issue with high cholesterol is usually nothing to do with eating too much cholesterol. Our body produces most of the cholesterol in our system. Many, many studies have been done that show that an increase in cholesterol in the diet doesn't increase cardiovascular disease.
Really?....From the link in the previous post. Yes the cholesterol & eggs can be bad.
Question Is consuming dietary cholesterol or eggs associated with incident cardiovascular disease (CVD) and all-cause mortality?
Findings Among 29 615 adults pooled from 6 prospective cohort studies in the United States with a median follow-up of 17.5 years, each additional 300 mg of dietary cholesterol consumed per day was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD (adjusted hazard ratio , 1.17; adjusted absolute risk difference [ARD], 3.24%) and all-cause mortality (adjusted HR, 1.18; adjusted ARD, 4.43%), and each additional half an egg consumed per day was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD (adjusted HR, 1.06; adjusted ARD, 1.11%) and all-cause mortality (adjusted HR, 1.08; adjusted ARD, 1.93%).
Meaning Among US adults, higher consumption of dietary cholesterol or eggs was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD and all-cause mortality in a dose-response manner.
These are from several studies that are population studies meaning they basically asked people if they eat eggs and then checked back with them 17 years later and asked if they had a heart attack or died or had CVD. There is a major issue in this logic, in that it's not taking into account the person's overall lifestyle and what the rest of their diet is or their genetic disposition.
You could probably ask the same number of people if they eat fruit and check back with them 17 years later and they'd probably find a significant portion of those people have diabetes. That doesn't mean fruit was the cause.
All this means is that it is something to study further and fortunately when studied further it was found that dietary cholesterol has little affect on CVD rates. They found out that your body/genetics is more the problem. Dietary cholesterol can be problematic if you over eat in general and eat far too many carbs (which is what triggers the body to produce cholesterol). My point is, if you are exercising and eating reasonably eating eggs everyday will make zero difference.
An anecdotal example, for generations and generations of farmers where I grew up they eat sausage and eggs for breakfast every day. The farmers here have very little in the way of heart issues compared to other folks. Why? Most likely because they didn't over eat and were very active. Most of the dietary cholesterol will get burn out of the blood stream if you're active before it can be stored elsewhere.5 -
I don't know the answer, but I love eggs. I would eat about 2 dozen in a week as my only protein source. I also have CVD and have given up most meat because of it.
Then there is the sugar conspiracy. Is it really the fault of sugar and not eggs? I don't know if that's the answer, either, but I have also cut back a lot on my sugar. No more ice cream for me.
I am now eating mostly brown rice, corn, beans, vegetables, salmon and turkey. These changes have been incremental over a couple of months. So far my cholesterol has dropped 10% to 205. Hoping it drops more so my CVD doesn't get worse. (I have bad side effects from statins, so I refuse to take them.)0 -
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I changed my diet months ago, to a diet very similar to Keto, I eat 2 deviled eggs every weekday and dippy eggs on the week end. My last blood test all my numbers where spot on. Before this, i had extremely high triglycerides and high cholesterol. I think I'm staying with my eggs....at one time margarine was a healthy alternative to butter.1
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The most interesting finding was the effect seemed to be larger in those of lower bmi vs those of higher.
I believe https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2728487 is the study referenced.
I find this interesting too.
I've been a vegetarian, an omnivarian, a meat-atarian, and (ugh) a vegan (for 12 hangry weeks)...
The one thing that brought my cholesterol down to a healthy level was getting my weight under control, reducing my BMI from 29+ to ~23. All my health indicators improved, a lot, when I did that.
I am currently an omnivarian and have decided that I will eat what I want, when I want, including eggs, but it is mostly a plant based diet for me now.
Of course, YMMV.
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The article stated is shows a correlation, not a causation. And the author of the study herself stated "Eat eggs in moderation." This conclusion agrees with current recommendations.
We need many well run studies without bias to help up form guidelines on nutrition. Food is inherently complex which makes finding definitive answers difficult!1 -
In 2018 my total cholesterol was 144, well within normal limits. In 2019 I began eating a lot of eggs to get enough protein while losing weight...I probably had 6-10 eggs a week for 8 months, up from 0-3 a week before that. My bloodwork in Oct 2019 showed my cholesterol was over 200. And I weighed 123. The rest of my diet did not change substantially. So while I can’t be positive the issue was eating too many eggs (I am menopausal), I have cut way back (1-2 eggs a month) and will be curious what my cholesterol shows later this year.1
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❤️ my eggs. I’m not giving them up.0
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I changed my diet months ago, to a diet very similar to Keto, I eat 2 deviled eggs every weekday and dippy eggs on the week end. My last blood test all my numbers where spot on. Before this, i had extremely high triglycerides and high cholesterol. I think I'm staying with my eggs....at one time margarine was a healthy alternative to butter.
@Khartman6 you made me chuckle with this comment! In my house, we call them dip dip eggs, but dippy eggs is cute, too.0 -
My cardiologist says an egg/day is just fine. He tends to agree with the studies that conclude that dietary cholesterol has little, if any, effect on blood cholesterol levels.0
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liftingbro wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »The issue with high cholesterol is usually nothing to do with eating too much cholesterol. Our body produces most of the cholesterol in our system. Many, many studies have been done that show that an increase in cholesterol in the diet doesn't increase cardiovascular disease.
Really?....From the link in the previous post. Yes the cholesterol & eggs can be bad.
Question Is consuming dietary cholesterol or eggs associated with incident cardiovascular disease (CVD) and all-cause mortality?
Findings Among 29 615 adults pooled from 6 prospective cohort studies in the United States with a median follow-up of 17.5 years, each additional 300 mg of dietary cholesterol consumed per day was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD (adjusted hazard ratio , 1.17; adjusted absolute risk difference [ARD], 3.24%) and all-cause mortality (adjusted HR, 1.18; adjusted ARD, 4.43%), and each additional half an egg consumed per day was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD (adjusted HR, 1.06; adjusted ARD, 1.11%) and all-cause mortality (adjusted HR, 1.08; adjusted ARD, 1.93%).
Meaning Among US adults, higher consumption of dietary cholesterol or eggs was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD and all-cause mortality in a dose-response manner.
These are from several studies that are population studies meaning they basically asked people if they eat eggs and then checked back with them 17 years later and asked if they had a heart attack or died or had CVD. There is a major issue in this logic, in that it's not taking into account the person's overall lifestyle and what the rest of their diet is or their genetic disposition.
You could probably ask the same number of people if they eat fruit and check back with them 17 years later and they'd probably find a significant portion of those people have diabetes. That doesn't mean fruit was the cause.
All this means is that it is something to study further and fortunately when studied further it was found that dietary cholesterol has little affect on CVD rates. They found out that your body/genetics is more the problem. Dietary cholesterol can be problematic if you over eat in general and eat far too many carbs (which is what triggers the body to produce cholesterol). My point is, if you are exercising and eating reasonably eating eggs everyday will make zero difference.
An anecdotal example, for generations and generations of farmers where I grew up they eat sausage and eggs for breakfast every day. The farmers here have very little in the way of heart issues compared to other folks. Why? Most likely because they didn't over eat and were very active. Most of the dietary cholesterol will get burn out of the blood stream if you're active before it can be stored elsewhere.
So agree with you here... Most of these "Studies" are completely uncontrolled and absolute garbage. Mostly ignoring other dietary and activity choices. And yet, the USDA and the ADA continues to use them as gospel and forcing doctors to make dietary recommendations on these fallacies. Despite the fact that people vary widely in how they respond to different foods.
And when any Doctor pushes back, they risk getting their license pulled.
So the first impulse for Doctors is to recommend stop eating meat and prescribe statins and other meds to lower "cholesterol" when there's a perceived issue and many of these people ending up taking them for rest of their lives...
And what's worse is that it seems that people are more dogmatic in their diets than religion now. I swear there's going to be a Vegan vs Meat Eater war on the horizon one day...1 -
Scotty2HotPie wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »The issue with high cholesterol is usually nothing to do with eating too much cholesterol. Our body produces most of the cholesterol in our system. Many, many studies have been done that show that an increase in cholesterol in the diet doesn't increase cardiovascular disease.
Really?....From the link in the previous post. Yes the cholesterol & eggs can be bad.
Question Is consuming dietary cholesterol or eggs associated with incident cardiovascular disease (CVD) and all-cause mortality?
Findings Among 29 615 adults pooled from 6 prospective cohort studies in the United States with a median follow-up of 17.5 years, each additional 300 mg of dietary cholesterol consumed per day was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD (adjusted hazard ratio , 1.17; adjusted absolute risk difference [ARD], 3.24%) and all-cause mortality (adjusted HR, 1.18; adjusted ARD, 4.43%), and each additional half an egg consumed per day was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD (adjusted HR, 1.06; adjusted ARD, 1.11%) and all-cause mortality (adjusted HR, 1.08; adjusted ARD, 1.93%).
Meaning Among US adults, higher consumption of dietary cholesterol or eggs was significantly associated with higher risk of incident CVD and all-cause mortality in a dose-response manner.
These are from several studies that are population studies meaning they basically asked people if they eat eggs and then checked back with them 17 years later and asked if they had a heart attack or died or had CVD. There is a major issue in this logic, in that it's not taking into account the person's overall lifestyle and what the rest of their diet is or their genetic disposition.
You could probably ask the same number of people if they eat fruit and check back with them 17 years later and they'd probably find a significant portion of those people have diabetes. That doesn't mean fruit was the cause.
All this means is that it is something to study further and fortunately when studied further it was found that dietary cholesterol has little affect on CVD rates. They found out that your body/genetics is more the problem. Dietary cholesterol can be problematic if you over eat in general and eat far too many carbs (which is what triggers the body to produce cholesterol). My point is, if you are exercising and eating reasonably eating eggs everyday will make zero difference.
An anecdotal example, for generations and generations of farmers where I grew up they eat sausage and eggs for breakfast every day. The farmers here have very little in the way of heart issues compared to other folks. Why? Most likely because they didn't over eat and were very active. Most of the dietary cholesterol will get burn out of the blood stream if you're active before it can be stored elsewhere.
So agree with you here... Most of these "Studies" are completely uncontrolled and absolute garbage. Mostly ignoring other dietary and activity choices. And yet, the USDA and the ADA continues to use them as gospel and forcing doctors to make dietary recommendations on these fallacies. Despite the fact that people vary widely in how they respond to different foods.
And when any Doctor pushes back, they risk getting their license pulled.
So the first impulse for Doctors is to recommend stop eating meat and prescribe statins and other meds to lower "cholesterol" when there's a perceived issue and many of these people ending up taking them for rest of their lives...
And what's worse is that it seems that people are more dogmatic in their diets than religion now. I swear there's going to be a Vegan vs Meat Eater war on the horizon one day...
Is there an example of a doctor getting their license to practice medicine revoked due to their recommendation of a specific diet?0 -
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