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People are currently discussing “Sarah’s Discovery” and using Keto Slim Rx as a dietary supplement to lose weight. Is this product safe? What are arguments against using this weight loss pill? Any ingredients that may cause harm?
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Which people? Facebook or Instagram 'influencers' paid to flog a product?
The only thing such a pill is good for for is to lose weight from your wallet. It's it is legal it doesn't work, if it works it isn't legal.12 -
Looks like it's just another "appetite suppressant". Caffeine is a pretty effective alternative, and is available for MUCH cheaper.
I make cold brew coffee and if I get hungry in the afternoon and I don't want to blow my calories on a snack, I just have another cup of that.5 -
There is an old saying, "If it works it's not legal and if it's legal it doesn't work." And as bpetrosky said, which people are talking about this? Never heard of it.2
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Wow, so much woo mixed in with so many buzzwords
https://www.piop.net/stanford-student-sarah-johnson-weight-loss-pills-supplement/
It looks like it's our old friend garcinia cambogia which you combine with our even older friend ACV.
“I was shocked when I discovered SF Keto 180! It helped me get in perfect shape so quickly. I didn't even need to diet or exercise at all. I also found that if you combine it with apple cider vinegar, it works even quicker!"
What's disturbing is that supposedly this woman did her "research" on Stanford's dime, and is now using that connection to hawk her snake oil.5 -
People are currently discussing “Sarah’s Discovery” and using Keto Slim Rx as a dietary supplement to lose weight. Is this product safe? What are arguments against using this weight loss pill? Any ingredients that may cause harm?
Argument against:
They're expensive and do absolutely nothing to help you. Losing weight is free, and you'll probably save money in the long term buying less food.
Argument for:
You have too much money and don't want to lose weight.11 -
NorthCascades wrote: »People are currently discussing “Sarah’s Discovery” and using Keto Slim Rx as a dietary supplement to lose weight. Is this product safe? What are arguments against using this weight loss pill? Any ingredients that may cause harm?
Argument against:
They're expensive and do absolutely nothing to help you. Losing weight is free, and you'll probably save money in the long term buying less food.
Argument for:
You have too much money and don't want to lose weight.
That is a good argument! I was debating between these pills and just setting the money on fire to watch it burn, but I'm leaning towards the pills now.
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The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.19
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GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
Lying is a powerful solution to the truth?12 -
So approve everything because it "might" work...somehow?GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
There's a limit to what the placebo effect can actually do.
While placebo effects could encourage more activity or alter behavior about food, they'll never cause weight loss themselves.
Researchers are lucky that is true because dietary interventions would become a nightmare if they required double blind interventions.6 -
Out of morbid curiosity I googled sarah's discovery and found this Gizmodo article. It describes a scheme that uses coordinated fake Twitter accounts with fake profile using stolen pictures, then buys retweets from more established accounts with more followers to amplify them. They spam post threads of complex testimonial stories and fake news sites touting certain supplements like the one mentioned in the OP.
I thought I had seen how low some of the bottom feeders in the supplement industry would go, and I was wrong once again.
https://gizmodo.com/the-bizarre-scheme-using-viral-abuse-stories-and-stolen-182917396412 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
And yet we have so many placebo cures for weight loss like this one, but more people are overweight every year.5 -
NorthCascades wrote: »People are currently discussing “Sarah’s Discovery” and using Keto Slim Rx as a dietary supplement to lose weight. Is this product safe? What are arguments against using this weight loss pill? Any ingredients that may cause harm?
Argument against:
They're expensive and do absolutely nothing to help you. Losing weight is free, and you'll probably save money in the long term buying less food.
Argument for:
You have too much money and don't want to lose weight.
That is a good argument! I was debating between these pills and just setting the money on fire to watch it burn, but I'm leaning towards the pills now.
That was hilarious!2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
The placebo effect is certainly a real thing in medicine which is why real studies require it as part a control for medical research. Particularly fir conditions that can be influenced by an emotional state. But one thing a placebo cannot do is cause pounds to magically burn off fat. The body doesn't work that way.
Some people may take these pills and also do others actions that cause them to lose weight (diet and exercise) and think the pill is responsible. But nobody can just sit at home and burn fat with the power of their mind.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
The placebo effect is certainly a real thing in medicine which is why real studies require it as part a control for medical research. Particularly fir conditions that can be influenced by an emotional state. But one thing a placebo cannot do is cause pounds to magically burn off fat. The body doesn't work that way.
Some people may take these pills and also do others actions that cause them to lose weight (diet and exercise) and think the pill is responsible. But nobody can just sit at home and burn fat with the power of their mind.
Mike that was my thought once but with the placebo effect being due to quantum mechanics I think the below will put a big question mark on your current thought on the subject.
"The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery."
The Strange Power of The Placebo Effect Explained
https://collective-evolution.com/2018/06/07/the-strange-power-of-the-placebo-effect-explained/
".....A Baylor School of Medicine study, published in 2002 in the New England Journal of Medicine, looked at surgery for patients with severe and debilitating knee pain. Many surgeons know there is no placebo effect in surgery, or so most of them believe. The patients were divided into three groups. The surgeons shaved the damaged cartilage in the knee of one group. For the second group they flushed out the knee joint, removing all of the material believed to be causing inflammation. Both of these processes are the standard surgeries people go through who have severe arthritic knees. The third group received a “fake” surgery, the patients were only sedated and tricked that they actually had the knee surgery. For the patients not really receiving the surgery, the doctors made the incisions and splashed salt water on the knee as they would in normal surgery. They then sewed up the incisions like the real thing and the process was complete. All three groups went through the same rehab process, and the results were astonishing. The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery......"
".....Perhaps this is why more and more people are gravitating towards alternative forms of medicine. As Garth Cook from Scientific American points out:
A growing body of scientific research suggests that our mind can play an important role in healing our body — or in staying healthy in the first place. . . There are now several lines of research suggesting that our mental perception of the world constantly informs and guides our immune system in a way that makes us better able to respond to future threats. That was a sort of ‘aha’ moment for me — where the idea of an entwined mind and body suddenly made more scientific sense than an ephemeral consciousness that’s somehow separated from our physical selves.
Neuroscientist Fabrizio Benedetti explains:
There isn’t just one placebo effect, but many. Placebo painkillers can trigger the release of natural pain-relieving chemicals called endorphins. Patients with Parkinson’s disease respond to placebos with a flood of dopamine. Fake oxygen, given to someone at altitude, has been shown to cut levels of neurotransmitters called prostaglandins (which dilate blood vessels, among other things, and are responsible for many of the symptoms of altitude sickness....."
".....So what does this mean?
It means that through the power of belief, your biological body can react in a necessary way to target whatever ailment you are experiencing. Thoughts, feelings, and emotions are directly responsible for changing your biology....."16 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
The placebo effect is certainly a real thing in medicine which is why real studies require it as part a control for medical research. Particularly fir conditions that can be influenced by an emotional state. But one thing a placebo cannot do is cause pounds to magically burn off fat. The body doesn't work that way.
Some people may take these pills and also do others actions that cause them to lose weight (diet and exercise) and think the pill is responsible. But nobody can just sit at home and burn fat with the power of their mind.
Mike that was my thought once but with the placebo effect being due to quantum mechanics I think the below will put a big question mark on your current thought on the subject.
Citation needed"The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery."
The Strange Power of The Placebo Effect Explained
https://collective-evolution.com/2018/06/07/the-strange-power-of-the-placebo-effect-explained/
Congratulations! You have managed to find the least reputable site on the net
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Collective_Evolution
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/collective-evolution/
"Overall, we rate Collective-Evolution a quackery level pseudoscience website based on promoting miracle cures, anti-vaxx propaganda and 9/11 conspiracies."13 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
The placebo effect is certainly a real thing in medicine which is why real studies require it as part a control for medical research. Particularly fir conditions that can be influenced by an emotional state. But one thing a placebo cannot do is cause pounds to magically burn off fat. The body doesn't work that way.
Some people may take these pills and also do others actions that cause them to lose weight (diet and exercise) and think the pill is responsible. But nobody can just sit at home and burn fat with the power of their mind.
Mike that was my thought once but with the placebo effect being due to quantum mechanics
lol wut
You could describe World War 2 in terms of nothing but subatomic particles ... it would be scientifically accurate, but completely meaningless.10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
When I was a child, AIDS was a death sentence.
We now have drugs that allow a person with HIV or AIDS to live a normal human lifespan. This is a modern miracle, life is precious and irreplaceable.
Why did so many people for die horrible, gruesome deaths for decades when they could have just taken a placebo or done keto?14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
The placebo effect is certainly a real thing in medicine which is why real studies require it as part a control for medical research. Particularly fir conditions that can be influenced by an emotional state. But one thing a placebo cannot do is cause pounds to magically burn off fat. The body doesn't work that way.
Some people may take these pills and also do others actions that cause them to lose weight (diet and exercise) and think the pill is responsible. But nobody can just sit at home and burn fat with the power of their mind.
Mike that was my thought once but with the placebo effect being due to quantum mechanics I think the below will put a big question mark on your current thought on the subject.
"The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery."
The Strange Power of The Placebo Effect Explained
https://collective-evolution.com/2018/06/07/the-strange-power-of-the-placebo-effect-explained/
".....A Baylor School of Medicine study, published in 2002 in the New England Journal of Medicine, looked at surgery for patients with severe and debilitating knee pain. Many surgeons know there is no placebo effect in surgery, or so most of them believe. The patients were divided into three groups. The surgeons shaved the damaged cartilage in the knee of one group. For the second group they flushed out the knee joint, removing all of the material believed to be causing inflammation. Both of these processes are the standard surgeries people go through who have severe arthritic knees. The third group received a “fake” surgery, the patients were only sedated and tricked that they actually had the knee surgery. For the patients not really receiving the surgery, the doctors made the incisions and splashed salt water on the knee as they would in normal surgery. They then sewed up the incisions like the real thing and the process was complete. All three groups went through the same rehab process, and the results were astonishing. The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery......"
".....Perhaps this is why more and more people are gravitating towards alternative forms of medicine. As Garth Cook from Scientific American points out:
A growing body of scientific research suggests that our mind can play an important role in healing our body — or in staying healthy in the first place. . . There are now several lines of research suggesting that our mental perception of the world constantly informs and guides our immune system in a way that makes us better able to respond to future threats. That was a sort of ‘aha’ moment for me — where the idea of an entwined mind and body suddenly made more scientific sense than an ephemeral consciousness that’s somehow separated from our physical selves.
Neuroscientist Fabrizio Benedetti explains:
There isn’t just one placebo effect, but many. Placebo painkillers can trigger the release of natural pain-relieving chemicals called endorphins. Patients with Parkinson’s disease respond to placebos with a flood of dopamine. Fake oxygen, given to someone at altitude, has been shown to cut levels of neurotransmitters called prostaglandins (which dilate blood vessels, among other things, and are responsible for many of the symptoms of altitude sickness....."
".....So what does this mean?
It means that through the power of belief, your biological body can react in a necessary way to target whatever ailment you are experiencing. Thoughts, feelings, and emotions are directly responsible for changing your biology....."
The placebo effect is more interesting and complicated than most people realize . . . and I say that as a skeptic and rationalist.
It's still not as unequivocally magical as you're suggesting.
I think it's interesting that you're lately heading out to the fringes where interesting and provocative things are being explored scientifically - like placebo effect and human microbiome - then positing all sorts of details that are waybigfar from proven.
You know that sensible people could become intrigued by those things, accurately presented . . . but you understand you're encouraging them to the contrary, I hope?14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The placebo effect is a very powerful solution to many disease states in humans keeping about 50% of new Rx meds from gaining FDA approval.
The placebo effect is certainly a real thing in medicine which is why real studies require it as part a control for medical research. Particularly fir conditions that can be influenced by an emotional state. But one thing a placebo cannot do is cause pounds to magically burn off fat. The body doesn't work that way.
Some people may take these pills and also do others actions that cause them to lose weight (diet and exercise) and think the pill is responsible. But nobody can just sit at home and burn fat with the power of their mind.
Mike that was my thought once but with the placebo effect being due to quantum mechanics I think the below will put a big question mark on your current thought on the subject.
"The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery."
The Strange Power of The Placebo Effect Explained
https://collective-evolution.com/2018/06/07/the-strange-power-of-the-placebo-effect-explained/
".....A Baylor School of Medicine study, published in 2002 in the New England Journal of Medicine, looked at surgery for patients with severe and debilitating knee pain. Many surgeons know there is no placebo effect in surgery, or so most of them believe. The patients were divided into three groups. The surgeons shaved the damaged cartilage in the knee of one group. For the second group they flushed out the knee joint, removing all of the material believed to be causing inflammation. Both of these processes are the standard surgeries people go through who have severe arthritic knees. The third group received a “fake” surgery, the patients were only sedated and tricked that they actually had the knee surgery. For the patients not really receiving the surgery, the doctors made the incisions and splashed salt water on the knee as they would in normal surgery. They then sewed up the incisions like the real thing and the process was complete. All three groups went through the same rehab process, and the results were astonishing. The placebo group improved just as much as the other two groups who had surgery......"
".....Perhaps this is why more and more people are gravitating towards alternative forms of medicine. As Garth Cook from Scientific American points out:
A growing body of scientific research suggests that our mind can play an important role in healing our body — or in staying healthy in the first place. . . There are now several lines of research suggesting that our mental perception of the world constantly informs and guides our immune system in a way that makes us better able to respond to future threats. That was a sort of ‘aha’ moment for me — where the idea of an entwined mind and body suddenly made more scientific sense than an ephemeral consciousness that’s somehow separated from our physical selves.
Neuroscientist Fabrizio Benedetti explains:
There isn’t just one placebo effect, but many. Placebo painkillers can trigger the release of natural pain-relieving chemicals called endorphins. Patients with Parkinson’s disease respond to placebos with a flood of dopamine. Fake oxygen, given to someone at altitude, has been shown to cut levels of neurotransmitters called prostaglandins (which dilate blood vessels, among other things, and are responsible for many of the symptoms of altitude sickness....."
".....So what does this mean?
It means that through the power of belief, your biological body can react in a necessary way to target whatever ailment you are experiencing. Thoughts, feelings, and emotions are directly responsible for changing your biology....."
The placebo effect is more interesting and complicated than most people realize . . . and I say that as a skeptic and rationalist.
It's still not as unequivocally magical as you're suggesting.
I think it's interesting that you're lately heading out to the fringes where interesting and provocative things are being explored scientifically - like placebo effect and human microbiome - then positing all sorts of details that are waybigfar from proven.
You know that sensible people could become intrigued by those things, accurately presented . . . but you understand you're encouraging them to the contrary, I hope?
Thank you for posting this while I was out at farmers market/grocery shopping so I didn't have to
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