Intermittent Fasting Please help
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pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
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pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
Thank you for your suggestion of what I should do but it isn't necessary. I'm comfortably at my ideal weight, am effortlessly maintaining it and don't need to prove it wrong. One of these days you might enjoy the same place and will find that you don't need to prove wrong what you did to get there. Wishing you the best.
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pierinifitness wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
Thank you for your suggestion of what I should do but it isn't necessary. I'm comfortably at my ideal weight, am effortlessly maintaining it and don't need to prove it wrong. One of these days you might enjoy the same place and will find that you don't need to prove wrong what you did to get there. Wishing you the best.
I am at an ideal weight, fit and have great blood markers at 68. I've kept an open mind and used data based methods, most very different from yours.
There are many ways to get to the goal. There is no one tool that has a unique advantage.8 -
pierinifitness wrote: »When you have a lot of weight to chisel off, it falls off more impressively with discipline so good for you for your three digit weight loss, that’s a lot.
The OP dropped ten lean lbs. and that’s tougher. One of these days, you might have a better appreciation for the accomplishment.
You really can't say that simply based on how lean the person is.
I'm maybe around 7-8% body fat right now, but I'm having so much easier a time losing right now than I did going from ~12% to 9% in the past. I'd attribute at least part of it to being that there was so much physiological inertia from having lost a lot of weight before getting to that 12%.5 -
pierinifitness wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
Thank you for your suggestion of what I should do but it isn't necessary. I'm comfortably at my ideal weight, am effortlessly maintaining it and don't need to prove it wrong. One of these days you might enjoy the same place and will find that you don't need to prove wrong what you did to get there. Wishing you the best.
Despite the fact that you once accused me of trying to diminish someone's IF experience by me stating that IF is not a weight loss diet I will say it again...IF is not a weight loss diet. It is nothing more than a tool to be used for the timing of someone's eating schedule whether you are losing, maintaining or gaining.
I actually IF (16:8) but I am under no illusion that IF on it's own will cause me to lose weight. I also use meal planning, batch cooking making sure that my diet is well balanced. All of these things help me stay with in a calorie deficit. The most important being that calorie deficit.
Should everyone else IF because it has been a useful tool for me...no.
Should everyone else meal plan because it works for me...no.
Should everyone else batch cook because it works for me...no.
Each of us are different...each of us has our strengths and weaknesses. We all have to find a way to make this work not only to lose the weight but to help us keep it off.
You should be proud of yourself for what you have accomplished at your age. You have done a tremendous job. However, you seem to want to diminish other peoples experience because they don't match your n=1.
Just so that you know...I don't feel as if I need to prove myself. I am only accountable to myself. I do what works for me. I do my research and if I think that something will work for me I give it a try. If it fails...I dust myself off and keep trying.6 -
Hi everyone! I've been doing 16:8 for 3 months now and here's what I've learned.
* The first month I lost no weight simply maintaining the 8 hour eating window. Calorie deficit is still KEY - you will not lose weight if you're eating too many calories in an 8 hour window.
* IF keeps me from snacking or consuming drinks with calories at night, after dinner, which is my kryptonite.
* IF keeps me from adding 200+ random calories a day by 'accidentally eating 2 breakfasts' - i.e., half my kids' leftover cereal and 3 bites of fruit & yogurt at 7am, and then MY whole breakfast at 9am.
* After the first month with no change, I started restricting calories to about 1100 a day and increased my 5x workouts a week to 6-7. Since then, I've lost ~11 lbs in the past 2 months.
* Research also shows that your body does some pretty special things from a health perspective when you let it get into a fully-fasted state (12+ hours). So while weight loss is great, overall health is even more awesome.
Good luck everyone, and great job for trying to find ways to take care of yourselves!4 -
Hi everyone! I've been doing 16:8 for 3 months now and here's what I've learned.
* The first month I lost no weight simply maintaining the 8 hour eating window. Calorie deficit is still KEY - you will not lose weight if you're eating too many calories in an 8 hour window.
* IF keeps me from snacking or consuming drinks with calories at night, after dinner, which is my kryptonite.
* IF keeps me from adding 200+ random calories a day by 'accidentally eating 2 breakfasts' - i.e., half my kids' leftover cereal and 3 bites of fruit & yogurt at 7am, and then MY whole breakfast at 9am.
* After the first month with no change, I started restricting calories to about 1100 a day and increased my 5x workouts a week to 6-7. Since then, I've lost ~11 lbs in the past 2 months.
* Research also shows that your body does some pretty special things from a health perspective when you let it get into a fully-fasted state (12+ hours). So while weight loss is great, overall health is even more awesome.
Good luck everyone, and great job for trying to find ways to take care of yourselves!
1100 calories a day with 6 - 7 workouts?2 -
Hi everyone! I've been doing 16:8 for 3 months now and here's what I've learned.
* The first month I lost no weight simply maintaining the 8 hour eating window. Calorie deficit is still KEY - you will not lose weight if you're eating too many calories in an 8 hour window.
* IF keeps me from snacking or consuming drinks with calories at night, after dinner, which is my kryptonite.
* IF keeps me from adding 200+ random calories a day by 'accidentally eating 2 breakfasts' - i.e., half my kids' leftover cereal and 3 bites of fruit & yogurt at 7am, and then MY whole breakfast at 9am.
* After the first month with no change, I started restricting calories to about 1100 a day and increased my 5x workouts a week to 6-7. Since then, I've lost ~11 lbs in the past 2 months.
* Research also shows that your body does some pretty special things from a health perspective when you let it get into a fully-fasted state (12+ hours). So while weight loss is great, overall health is even more awesome.
Good luck everyone, and great job for trying to find ways to take care of yourselves!
1100 calories a day with 6 - 7 workouts?
Maybe she's very tiny? I hope so...0 -
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pierinifitness wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
Thank you for your suggestion of what I should do but it isn't necessary. I'm comfortably at my ideal weight, am effortlessly maintaining it and don't need to prove it wrong. One of these days you might enjoy the same place and will find that you don't need to prove wrong what you did to get there. Wishing you the best.
I doubt getting to goal will ever stop me from wanting to use my critical thinking skills. Among other things it will serve to keep me humble.
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pierinifitness wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »Thanks for sharing @sgt1372, you sre one of many who have an n=1 experience with IF that gives you more knowledge snd insight than the naysayers. Me too. Keep up the good work and thanks again for sharing.
I do IF too, I am still waiting for that experience. Keep marching on.
Why don’t you tell us more about your experience or lack of it so we can learn something, much like we did from the OP’s sharing?
You feel that there is something to be learned from individual anecdotes. But anecdotes =/= proof. There are way too many uncontrolled variables to draw any conclusions for n=1 anecdotes. They are just that, anecdotes. Not facts. For every anecdotal claim of some magic benefit from IF, there are many others, from people who have done it for long periods, that experienced nothing of the sort.
Personally, I'll put stock in an abundance of study data that shows similar conclusions and the studies so far have yet to show a metabolic advantage for IF. Some animal studies are interesting and indicate further study in humans should be conducted. But, a large percentage of the time, benefits in animal studies don't prove in humans.
I will wait until there is more conclusive evidence to make any larger claims about my IF than it helps me control calories. I don't find anecdotes from random people on an internet forum meets any standard of credible evidence I would trust.
Thanks for telling me what you're going to do. Yes I do believe there are lessons to be learned from what other people have done but I have to temper that sharing with my own experiences and research studies. Some of what other people share aligns with my own n=1 experiences and I find it interesting. Others, for example, don't align such as those who have practiced IF and gained weight. This, for me, is hard to imagine because I haven't experienced it.
The OP's share was interesting and his n=1 results are his/her to enjoy, not to be dismissed by those who haven't experienced similar results. The sum of a bunch of n=1 experiences is more than n=1.
If you're not taking note of your own n=1 experiences in the gym or in other aspects of your fitness, health and wellness, chances are your missing something valuable.
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
Hard for you to imagine or not, it is very common. Weight loss is solely driven by consistently eating in a caloric deficit. Intermittent Fasting can help some people achieve the required deficit that results in weight loss, by shortening the number of hours in a day that they eat. But it is entirely possible to actually gain weight doing IF because, again, it's the amount of calories you consume in a day that matters and not when you consume them. It's easy to fall into a "Oh, I don't eat breakfast, so I'm good to eat what I want for the rest of the day." Sadly, that's not how it works.
Having done IF for literally decades (I don't eat breakfast) my personal N=1 has learned that I can gain, lose and maintain weight while Intermittent Fasting. Eat too much? I gain. Just the right amount? I maintain. Eat less than my body's daily maintenance? I lose. The key to all three of these states has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Intermittent Fasting and everything to do with caloric intake.
Tl;dr? There's no magic, no extra special benefits to IF. Calories still rule.6 -
Just got back from my 1:30 lunch and WOW. I've never demolished chicken like that in my life lol. I've been starving all day. I can already tell that this is going to be hard to transition into. It's definitely worth it though2
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pierinifitness wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
Thank you for your suggestion of what I should do but it isn't necessary. I'm comfortably at my ideal weight, am effortlessly maintaining it and don't need to prove it wrong. One of these days you might enjoy the same place and will find that you don't need to prove wrong what you did to get there. Wishing you the best.
I am at an ideal weight, fit and have great blood markers at 68. I've kept an open mind and used data based methods, most very different from yours.
There are many ways to get to the goal. There is no one tool that has a unique advantage.
Kudos to you on your fitness, health and wellness markers, impressive for an older man. Keep up the good work.
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cjproietti38 wrote: »Just got back from my 1:30 lunch and WOW. I've never demolished chicken like that in my life lol. I've been starving all day. I can already tell that this is going to be hard to transition into. It's definitely worth it though
Give it a few weeks to see if it is an adjustment you can make. If not, nothing lost and develop the next strategy that fits for you.7 -
cjproietti38 wrote: »Just got back from my 1:30 lunch and WOW. I've never demolished chicken like that in my life lol. I've been starving all day. I can already tell that this is going to be hard to transition into. It's definitely worth it though
Spend a few minutes pondering if what you experienced was physical starving or mental starving. My guess is it was the latter. It gets easier the more time you have under your IF practice belt.
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cjproietti38 wrote: »Just got back from my 1:30 lunch and WOW. I've never demolished chicken like that in my life lol. I've been starving all day. I can already tell that this is going to be hard to transition into. It's definitely worth it though
Yep the first time is a shock. You get used to it. The body has an amazing ability to adapt...4 -
I love seeing how all these different forms of eating work for different people. Thanks for sharing everyone!3
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If this was someone's first day at not eating anything until the afternoon, my guess is that it was physical hunger. Why wouldn't it be if their body is accustomed to eating breakfast?pierinifitness wrote: »cjproietti38 wrote: »Just got back from my 1:30 lunch and WOW. I've never demolished chicken like that in my life lol. I've been starving all day. I can already tell that this is going to be hard to transition into. It's definitely worth it though
Spend a few minutes pondering if what you experienced was physical starving or mental starving. My guess is it was the latter. It gets easier the more time you have under your IF practice belt.
^This. Nothing ventured, nothing gained (or lost, lol!) , but @cjproietti38 if Intermittent Fasting turns out not to be the method for you, know that's it's not because you're a loser, did something 'wrong' or are a glutton who lacks moral fortitude. It simply means it's not the best method for you to use.cjproietti38 wrote: »Just got back from my 1:30 lunch and WOW. I've never demolished chicken like that in my life lol. I've been starving all day. I can already tell that this is going to be hard to transition into. It's definitely worth it though
Give it a few weeks to see if it is an adjustment you can make. If not, nothing lost and develop the next strategy that fits for you.
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IF can be a valuable tool for weight loss...or not. I did IF for years and put on about 40 Lbs over the course of 8 years. I wouldn't have anything in the mornings except black coffee...then for lunch I'd usually go to Taco Bell and get a burrito supreme, two taco supremes, 4 bean burritos, and a 32 oz soda. Then I would have a few more sodas throughout the afternoon and go home and have a generous dinner and drink several craft beers.
I'm not currently trying to lose weight, but I am practicing IF for the summer as well as cycling in the early mornings fasted. I'm currently maintaining my weight which would suggest I'm consuming maintenance calories.6 -
cjproietti38 wrote: »Just got back from my 1:30 lunch and WOW. I've never demolished chicken like that in my life lol. I've been starving all day. I can already tell that this is going to be hard to transition into. It's definitely worth it though
While delaying your first meal is one of the most popular methods keep in mind that some people actually do better skipping dinner. I do understand that there are certain social elements to dinner that make it less desirable for some people to skip.
You should remember that the goal here is for this to end up being easier and having your hunger better controlled and what you are experiencing currently is the opposite of that. It is not time to abandon it but remember that it is not the answer for everyone so know when to call it if needed.3 -
pierinifitness wrote: »cjproietti38 wrote: »Just got back from my 1:30 lunch and WOW. I've never demolished chicken like that in my life lol. I've been starving all day. I can already tell that this is going to be hard to transition into. It's definitely worth it though
Spend a few minutes pondering if what you experienced was physical starving or mental starving. My guess is it was the latter. It gets easier the more time you have under your IF practice belt.
Doesn't the IF is physiological, not just psychological, essentially endorse physical starving? That's kind of what saying autophagy is fixing things is saying - that getting in the physiology of starving has health benefits.3 -
Well. I said I would report back on this day... yikes. This IF has been super hard. I now see where a lot of you were coming from now. The IF program doesn't really fit with my schedule. I've lost 7 lbs but I'm constantly hungry and I've been getting headaches. I will continue to eat healthy but I'll have to find times that work for me for my eating. Thanks for all the helpful advice again everyone! Maybe I'll need to use this program in the future5
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cjproietti38 wrote: »Well. I said I would report back on this day... yikes. This IF has been super hard. I now see where a lot of you were coming from now. The IF program doesn't really fit with my schedule. I've lost 7 lbs but I'm constantly hungry and I've been getting headaches. I will continue to eat healthy but I'll have to find times that work for me for my eating. Thanks for all the helpful advice again everyone!
It is wise to know when to let something go. Being miserable is not sustainable.
The 7 pounds is quite a bit. I know they were hard fought pounds and I hope all the rest you need or want to lose come much easier.3
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