Intermittent Fasting Please help
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cjproietti38 wrote: »So I've run into a bit of a problem. I just found out that classes will be going till 8:15 PM or 9:00 PM every night. I need to go to bed at 10:30 PM in order to wake up at 6:30 PM for work. Would 1:30 PM to 9:30 PM be bad because that would make me eat an hour before bed? I ask this because 1:30 PM to 9:30 PM would be the only way for me to get a meal in after MMA. I'm in a pickle
It's also rough that I'm waking up at 6:30 AM and not eating till 1:30 PM... is that a normal and healthy waiting period?
It can be. You could try and see how it goes. Some have trouble eating right before bed and some do not.
Personally, I have a schedule somewhat similar to yours, which is why I don't "IF" during Mon through Thursday. I run or do weights before work most mornings, and like having a meal of some kind after that. And I also like having dinner at home, and that means I'm eating both early and late. Friday is usually my rest day so I skip breakfast, and on the weekends I work out later and eat dinner earlier. That's a fine schedule too, but there is nothing wrong with not eating until 1:30 pm if you find you enjoy it and the late dinner is not interfering with your sleep.4 -
pierinifitness wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »Thanks for sharing @sgt1372, you sre one of many who have an n=1 experience with IF that gives you more knowledge snd insight than the naysayers. Me too. Keep up the good work and thanks again for sharing.
I do IF too, I am still waiting for that experience. Keep marching on.
Why don’t you tell us more about your experience or lack of it so we can learn something, much like we did from the OP’s sharing?
You feel that there is something to be learned from individual anecdotes. But anecdotes =/= proof. There are way too many uncontrolled variables to draw any conclusions for n=1 anecdotes. They are just that, anecdotes. Not facts. For every anecdotal claim of some magic benefit from IF, there are many others, from people who have done it for long periods, that experienced nothing of the sort.
Personally, I'll put stock in an abundance of study data that shows similar conclusions and the studies so far have yet to show a metabolic advantage for IF. Some animal studies are interesting and indicate further study in humans should be conducted. But, a large percentage of the time, benefits in animal studies don't prove in humans.
I will wait until there is more conclusive evidence to make any larger claims about my IF than it helps me control calories. I don't find anecdotes from random people on an internet forum meets any standard of credible evidence I would trust.8 -
cjproietti38 wrote: »So I've run into a bit of a problem. I just found out that classes will be going till 8:15 PM or 9:00 PM every night. I need to go to bed at 10:30 PM in order to wake up at 6:30 PM for work. Would 1:30 PM to 9:30 PM be bad because that would make me eat an hour before bed? I ask this because 1:30 PM to 9:30 PM would be the only way for me to get a meal in after MMA. I'm in a pickle It's also rough that I'm waking up at 6:30 AM and not eating till 1:30 PM... is that a normal and healthy waiting period?
You could make your window 1:30pm - 9:30pm if you wanted. Keep this in mind, IF is supposed to be a tool to make dieting less, not more complicated. It is quite possible that it may not be for you.5 -
Thanks for the great advice again, everyone! I'm going to try this 1:30 PM - 9:30 PM IF and see how I feel. I'll commit to it and report back on August 12th to say how it's treating me. This will help me find out if IF is right for me. I'm ready for my weight loss and fitness journey!6
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cjproietti38 wrote: »Thanks for the great advice again, everyone! I'm going to try this 1:30 PM - 9:30 PM IF and see how I feel. I'll commit to it and report back on August 12th to say how it's treating me. This will help me find out if IF is right for me. I'm ready for my weight loss and fitness journey!
If it works for you and you can adapt to it, great! If not, just remember that lots of people have lost weight without IF. There is no magic to it and it is not a requirement. It is just a tool and not the most appropriate one in all circumstances.7 -
cjproietti38 wrote: »Thanks for the great advice again, everyone! I'm going to try this 1:30 PM - 9:30 PM IF and see how I feel. I'll commit to it and report back on August 12th to say how it's treating me. This will help me find out if IF is right for me. I'm ready for my weight loss and fitness journey!
Just to add, eating before bed is only problematic if it effects your sleep. I can eat before bed but my wife can not, very individual. The fasting part is tough but if you decide to do it you will get used to it.6 -
pierinifitness wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »Thanks for sharing @sgt1372, you sre one of many who have an n=1 experience with IF that gives you more knowledge snd insight than the naysayers. Me too. Keep up the good work and thanks again for sharing.
I do IF too, I am still waiting for that experience. Keep marching on.
Why don’t you tell us more about your experience or lack of it so we can learn something, much like we did from the OP’s sharing?
You feel that there is something to be learned from individual anecdotes. But anecdotes =/= proof. There are way too many uncontrolled variables to draw any conclusions for n=1 anecdotes. They are just that, anecdotes. Not facts. For every anecdotal claim of some magic benefit from IF, there are many others, from people who have done it for long periods, that experienced nothing of the sort.
Personally, I'll put stock in an abundance of study data that shows similar conclusions and the studies so far have yet to show a metabolic advantage for IF. Some animal studies are interesting and indicate further study in humans should be conducted. But, a large percentage of the time, benefits in animal studies don't prove in humans.
I will wait until there is more conclusive evidence to make any larger claims about my IF than it helps me control calories. I don't find anecdotes from random people on an internet forum meets any standard of credible evidence I would trust.
Thanks for telling me what you're going to do. Yes I do believe there are lessons to be learned from what other people have done but I have to temper that sharing with my own experiences and research studies. Some of what other people share aligns with my own n=1 experiences and I find it interesting. Others, for example, don't align such as those who have practiced IF and gained weight. This, for me, is hard to imagine because I haven't experienced it.
The OP's share was interesting and his n=1 results are his/her to enjoy, not to be dismissed by those who haven't experienced similar results. The sum of a bunch of n=1 experiences is more than n=1.
If you're not taking note of your own n=1 experiences in the gym or in other aspects of your fitness, health and wellness, chances are your missing something valuable.
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
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pierinifitness wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »Thanks for sharing @sgt1372, you sre one of many who have an n=1 experience with IF that gives you more knowledge snd insight than the naysayers. Me too. Keep up the good work and thanks again for sharing.
I do IF too, I am still waiting for that experience. Keep marching on.
Why don’t you tell us more about your experience or lack of it so we can learn something, much like we did from the OP’s sharing?
You feel that there is something to be learned from individual anecdotes. But anecdotes =/= proof. There are way too many uncontrolled variables to draw any conclusions for n=1 anecdotes. They are just that, anecdotes. Not facts. For every anecdotal claim of some magic benefit from IF, there are many others, from people who have done it for long periods, that experienced nothing of the sort.
Personally, I'll put stock in an abundance of study data that shows similar conclusions and the studies so far have yet to show a metabolic advantage for IF. Some animal studies are interesting and indicate further study in humans should be conducted. But, a large percentage of the time, benefits in animal studies don't prove in humans.
I will wait until there is more conclusive evidence to make any larger claims about my IF than it helps me control calories. I don't find anecdotes from random people on an internet forum meets any standard of credible evidence I would trust.
Thanks for telling me what you're going to do. Yes I do believe there are lessons to be learned from what other people have done but I have to temper that sharing with my own experiences and research studies. Some of what other people share aligns with my own n=1 experiences and I find it interesting. Others, for example, don't align such as those who have practiced IF and gained weight. This, for me, is hard to imagine because I haven't experienced it.
The OP's share was interesting and his n=1 results are his/her to enjoy, not to be dismissed by those who haven't experienced similar results. The sum of a bunch of n=1 experiences is more than n=1.
If you're not taking note of your own n=1 experiences in the gym or in other aspects of your fitness, health and wellness, chances are your missing something valuable.
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
Nobody is raining on the "IF" parade. To say that is both inaccurate and, quite honestly, inflammatory rhetoric that seems designed to invalidate the viewpoint of those who see it differently than you. It can be a valid tool. Some are skeptical of speculative claims and find it irresponsible to promote them.
BTW, the plural of anecdote is not facts. It is anecdotes. Anecdotes are not facts.8 -
pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
That's weird. I see posts all the time in threads like this who say they lost weight while following an IF schedule, but didn't notice any of the additional "n=1 proven only" benefits.
Why are people who counter your n=1 with their different n=1 "raining on the IF parade"? Isn't the fact that different people have different experiences with a strategy part of the value of asking for personal anecdotes?
Isn't the possibility that people who experience extra benefits are attributing results to IF that really arise from a different behavior, just as valuable as the possibility that people who don't experience the extra benefits are doing it wrong or missing something?cjproietti38 wrote: »Thanks for the great advice again, everyone! I'm going to try this 1:30 PM - 9:30 PM IF and see how I feel. I'll commit to it and report back on August 12th to say how it's treating me. This will help me find out if IF is right for me. I'm ready for my weight loss and fitness journey!
If eating at 9:30 doesn't work for you, you could always make your window earlier. While many people who IF do so because delaying eating during the day helps control their appetite, others actually do better eating in the earlier part of the day and "closing the kitchen" in the PM. You might also find that you are fine eating for less than 8 hours a day. Or you might just decide to eat when you eat and not worry about it
Whatever gets you to the right calorie level comfortably. Good luck! 7 -
Very insightful kimny. It does seem that some select anecdotes to believe only when they align with one's personal bias. If they don't align with the personal bias, they are gaslighted and called things like "raining on the parade".pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
That's weird. I see posts all the time in threads like this who say they lost weight while following an IF schedule, but didn't notice any of the additional "n=1 proven only" benefits.
Why are people who counter your n=1 with their different n=1 "raining on the IF parade"? Isn't the fact that different people have different experiences with a strategy part of the value of asking for personal anecdotes?
Isn't the possibility that people who experience extra benefits are attributing results to IF that really arise from a different behavior, just as valuable as the possibility that people who don't experience the extra benefits are doing it wrong or missing something?cjproietti38 wrote: »Thanks for the great advice again, everyone! I'm going to try this 1:30 PM - 9:30 PM IF and see how I feel. I'll commit to it and report back on August 12th to say how it's treating me. This will help me find out if IF is right for me. I'm ready for my weight loss and fitness journey!
If eating at 9:30 doesn't work for you, you could always make your window earlier. While many people who IF do so because delaying eating during the day helps control their appetite, others actually do better eating in the earlier part of the day and "closing the kitchen" in the PM. You might also find that you are fine eating for less than 8 hours a day. Or you might just decide to eat when you eat and not worry about it Whatever gets you to the right calorie level comfortably. Good luck!
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pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
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pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
Thank you for your suggestion of what I should do but it isn't necessary. I'm comfortably at my ideal weight, am effortlessly maintaining it and don't need to prove it wrong. One of these days you might enjoy the same place and will find that you don't need to prove wrong what you did to get there. Wishing you the best.
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pierinifitness wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
Thank you for your suggestion of what I should do but it isn't necessary. I'm comfortably at my ideal weight, am effortlessly maintaining it and don't need to prove it wrong. One of these days you might enjoy the same place and will find that you don't need to prove wrong what you did to get there. Wishing you the best.
I am at an ideal weight, fit and have great blood markers at 68. I've kept an open mind and used data based methods, most very different from yours.
There are many ways to get to the goal. There is no one tool that has a unique advantage.8 -
pierinifitness wrote: »When you have a lot of weight to chisel off, it falls off more impressively with discipline so good for you for your three digit weight loss, that’s a lot.
The OP dropped ten lean lbs. and that’s tougher. One of these days, you might have a better appreciation for the accomplishment.
You really can't say that simply based on how lean the person is.
I'm maybe around 7-8% body fat right now, but I'm having so much easier a time losing right now than I did going from ~12% to 9% in the past. I'd attribute at least part of it to being that there was so much physiological inertia from having lost a lot of weight before getting to that 12%.5 -
pierinifitness wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »
Interesting is that those who want to rain on the IF parade seem to be those who haven't experienced benefits or have gained weight following it. This is understandable.
I am a practitioner of the sensible, straight-forward, and scientifically proven. I still have a fair amount of weight to lose and I don't have the luxury to believe in "data" accumulated by uncontrolled methods. People fervently believe in ACV, detoxes, ear candling, and voodoo too. If you believe a bunch of N=1s you will be left believing everything out there.
The first thing you should do before accepting even your own N=1 is attempt to prove it wrong. All theories should be subjected to criticism and review. Even personal ones. This will make you a more trustworthy source instead of someone who defends anything IF that comes down the pipe. You don't seem to care that by supporting such things that you could be sending other people further from the path they need to be on to achieve their goals.
Thank you for your suggestion of what I should do but it isn't necessary. I'm comfortably at my ideal weight, am effortlessly maintaining it and don't need to prove it wrong. One of these days you might enjoy the same place and will find that you don't need to prove wrong what you did to get there. Wishing you the best.
Despite the fact that you once accused me of trying to diminish someone's IF experience by me stating that IF is not a weight loss diet I will say it again...IF is not a weight loss diet. It is nothing more than a tool to be used for the timing of someone's eating schedule whether you are losing, maintaining or gaining.
I actually IF (16:8) but I am under no illusion that IF on it's own will cause me to lose weight. I also use meal planning, batch cooking making sure that my diet is well balanced. All of these things help me stay with in a calorie deficit. The most important being that calorie deficit.
Should everyone else IF because it has been a useful tool for me...no.
Should everyone else meal plan because it works for me...no.
Should everyone else batch cook because it works for me...no.
Each of us are different...each of us has our strengths and weaknesses. We all have to find a way to make this work not only to lose the weight but to help us keep it off.
You should be proud of yourself for what you have accomplished at your age. You have done a tremendous job. However, you seem to want to diminish other peoples experience because they don't match your n=1.
Just so that you know...I don't feel as if I need to prove myself. I am only accountable to myself. I do what works for me. I do my research and if I think that something will work for me I give it a try. If it fails...I dust myself off and keep trying.6 -
Hi everyone! I've been doing 16:8 for 3 months now and here's what I've learned.
* The first month I lost no weight simply maintaining the 8 hour eating window. Calorie deficit is still KEY - you will not lose weight if you're eating too many calories in an 8 hour window.
* IF keeps me from snacking or consuming drinks with calories at night, after dinner, which is my kryptonite.
* IF keeps me from adding 200+ random calories a day by 'accidentally eating 2 breakfasts' - i.e., half my kids' leftover cereal and 3 bites of fruit & yogurt at 7am, and then MY whole breakfast at 9am.
* After the first month with no change, I started restricting calories to about 1100 a day and increased my 5x workouts a week to 6-7. Since then, I've lost ~11 lbs in the past 2 months.
* Research also shows that your body does some pretty special things from a health perspective when you let it get into a fully-fasted state (12+ hours). So while weight loss is great, overall health is even more awesome.
Good luck everyone, and great job for trying to find ways to take care of yourselves!4 -
Hi everyone! I've been doing 16:8 for 3 months now and here's what I've learned.
* The first month I lost no weight simply maintaining the 8 hour eating window. Calorie deficit is still KEY - you will not lose weight if you're eating too many calories in an 8 hour window.
* IF keeps me from snacking or consuming drinks with calories at night, after dinner, which is my kryptonite.
* IF keeps me from adding 200+ random calories a day by 'accidentally eating 2 breakfasts' - i.e., half my kids' leftover cereal and 3 bites of fruit & yogurt at 7am, and then MY whole breakfast at 9am.
* After the first month with no change, I started restricting calories to about 1100 a day and increased my 5x workouts a week to 6-7. Since then, I've lost ~11 lbs in the past 2 months.
* Research also shows that your body does some pretty special things from a health perspective when you let it get into a fully-fasted state (12+ hours). So while weight loss is great, overall health is even more awesome.
Good luck everyone, and great job for trying to find ways to take care of yourselves!
1100 calories a day with 6 - 7 workouts?2 -
Hi everyone! I've been doing 16:8 for 3 months now and here's what I've learned.
* The first month I lost no weight simply maintaining the 8 hour eating window. Calorie deficit is still KEY - you will not lose weight if you're eating too many calories in an 8 hour window.
* IF keeps me from snacking or consuming drinks with calories at night, after dinner, which is my kryptonite.
* IF keeps me from adding 200+ random calories a day by 'accidentally eating 2 breakfasts' - i.e., half my kids' leftover cereal and 3 bites of fruit & yogurt at 7am, and then MY whole breakfast at 9am.
* After the first month with no change, I started restricting calories to about 1100 a day and increased my 5x workouts a week to 6-7. Since then, I've lost ~11 lbs in the past 2 months.
* Research also shows that your body does some pretty special things from a health perspective when you let it get into a fully-fasted state (12+ hours). So while weight loss is great, overall health is even more awesome.
Good luck everyone, and great job for trying to find ways to take care of yourselves!
1100 calories a day with 6 - 7 workouts?
Maybe she's very tiny? I hope so...0
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