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  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
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    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.

    Usually fiber is considered a plus, and that diet is cutting out some great sources of fiber (although if you eat enough veg that will provide a good bit).

    I'm also not seeing how a more diverse diet based on mostly whole foods would be bad for gut health, absent a specific medical problem.

    I didn’t say other diets are bad for gut health. There are several diets that work. Depends on the person. These foods work well for me. I love meat and I’m on this carnivore 🚂.

    Vertical is not carnivore, so I'm not following.
  • YoungGun11
    YoungGun11 Posts: 46 Member
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    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    v_ludwig wrote: »
    use Cauliflower rice. you will never know the difference

    I like cauliflower mashed potatoes!!! So good! Good way to sneak in veggies instead of carbs 😍😍😍😍

    Veggies are mostly made up of carbs. There's nothing wrong with foods that contain carbs.

    Also, why would you have to "sneak in" vegetables?

    You are correct, I was thinking of carbs that aren’t veggies. I don’t just love a ton of veggies so if my mind thinks I’m eating mashed potatoes but I’m eating cauliflower, I consider that a win.
  • YoungGun11
    YoungGun11 Posts: 46 Member
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    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.

    Usually fiber is considered a plus, and that diet is cutting out some great sources of fiber (although if you eat enough veg that will provide a good bit).

    I'm also not seeing how a more diverse diet based on mostly whole foods would be bad for gut health, absent a specific medical problem.

    I didn’t say other diets are bad for gut health. There are several diets that work. Depends on the person. These foods work well for me. I love meat and I’m on this carnivore 🚂.

    Vertical is not carnivore, so I'm not following.

    Yes, you are correct. Carnivore was a poor word choice because that is a diet and I eat more than meat. Meat is most of my diet but it’s not a carnivore diet. 😜😜😜
  • YoungGun11
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    mbaker566 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
    Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.

    And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
    Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
    Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?

    Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
    And this is who you are going to listen to?
    you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
    gut health science is questionable at best.

    the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
    Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.

    And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
    Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
    Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?

    Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
    And this is who you are going to listen to?
    you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
    gut health science is questionable at best.

    the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.

    I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,009 Member
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    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    v_ludwig wrote: »
    use Cauliflower rice. you will never know the difference

    I like cauliflower mashed potatoes!!! So good! Good way to sneak in veggies instead of carbs 😍😍😍😍

    veggies are carbs.
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,009 Member
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    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    v_ludwig wrote: »
    use Cauliflower rice. you will never know the difference

    I like cauliflower mashed potatoes!!! So good! Good way to sneak in veggies instead of carbs 😍😍😍😍

    Veggies ARE carbs.

    Oops. You beat me to it.
  • YoungGun11
    YoungGun11 Posts: 46 Member
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    I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
    Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.

    And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
    Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
    Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?

    Nobody in the thread said or implied that their way is the only way :*

    You have posted about the diet without following what it is - it is not something you start with and add other things in.

    Vertical diet just sounds a fancy name to me - OP, if you like eating just beef, rice, vegetables, that's fine. Presuming it is a range of veggies, that would probably be a nutritionally balanced diet.

    I personally prefer a greater range of foods and I don't think your fancy name diet has any particular gut health or other benefits.
    Other than reducing calories - but any diet that reduces calories does that, doesn't have to consist of anything in particular.

    Weird flex but ok. Thanks for your response, you have an opinion. 🤟🤟🤟 have a great day!
  • YoungGun11
    YoungGun11 Posts: 46 Member
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    apullum wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
    Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.

    And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
    Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
    Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?

    Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
    And this is who you are going to listen to?
    you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
    gut health science is questionable at best.

    the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
    Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.

    And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
    Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
    Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?

    Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
    And this is who you are going to listen to?
    you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
    gut health science is questionable at best.

    the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.

    I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!

    “People in the fitness/nutrition industry” and “science” are not necessarily the same thing.

    They are not necessarily different either, huh? Did I miss your point? Thanks for your response! Have a great day! 🤟🤟🤟
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,948 Member
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    Not enough variety for me. That said, you do you my man...
  • YoungGun11
    YoungGun11 Posts: 46 Member
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    J72FIT wrote: »
    Not enough variety for me. That said, you do you my man...

    Thanks bro! 👍👍
  • YoungGun11
    YoungGun11 Posts: 46 Member
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    apullum wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    v_ludwig wrote: »
    use Cauliflower rice. you will never know the difference

    I like cauliflower mashed potatoes!!! So good! Good way to sneak in veggies instead of carbs 😍😍😍😍

    Veggies ARE carbs.

    Oops. You beat me to it.

    Fun facts:
    - Iceberg lettuce gets 78% of its calories from carbs.
    - raw carrots: 89%
    - cucumber with peel: 83% (peeled: 68%)
    - raw kale: 72%
    - raw onion: 90%
    - raw celery: 73%

    (source: https://nutritiondata.self.com)

    Yes, there are good carbs. Not all are “empty” carbs. Thank you for your post. 👍👍👍
  • YoungGun11
    YoungGun11 Posts: 46 Member
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    mbaker566 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    apullum wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
    Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.

    And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
    Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
    Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?

    Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
    And this is who you are going to listen to?
    you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
    gut health science is questionable at best.

    the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    YoungGun11 wrote: »
    I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
    Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.

    And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
    Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
    Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?

    Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
    And this is who you are going to listen to?
    you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
    gut health science is questionable at best.

    the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.

    I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!

    “People in the fitness/nutrition industry” and “science” are not necessarily the same thing.

    They are not necessarily different either, huh? Did I miss your point? Thanks for your response! Have a great day! 🤟🤟🤟

    the fitness industry takes science and sometimes very paper thin science and processes it so they can make a product to sell to you.
    gut diet is questionable science

    I’m sure you have a point. I can’t see it, but thanks for your response! 👍👍👍