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YoungGun11 wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.
Usually fiber is considered a plus, and that diet is cutting out some great sources of fiber (although if you eat enough veg that will provide a good bit).
I'm also not seeing how a more diverse diet based on mostly whole foods would be bad for gut health, absent a specific medical problem.
I didn’t say other diets are bad for gut health. There are several diets that work. Depends on the person. These foods work well for me. I love meat and I’m on this carnivore 🚂.
Vertical is not carnivore, so I'm not following.2 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies are mostly made up of carbs. There's nothing wrong with foods that contain carbs.
Also, why would you have to "sneak in" vegetables?9 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies are mostly made up of carbs. There's nothing wrong with foods that contain carbs.
Also, why would you have to "sneak in" vegetables?
You are correct, I was thinking of carbs that aren’t veggies. I don’t just love a ton of veggies so if my mind thinks I’m eating mashed potatoes but I’m eating cauliflower, I consider that a win.0 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.
Usually fiber is considered a plus, and that diet is cutting out some great sources of fiber (although if you eat enough veg that will provide a good bit).
I'm also not seeing how a more diverse diet based on mostly whole foods would be bad for gut health, absent a specific medical problem.
I didn’t say other diets are bad for gut health. There are several diets that work. Depends on the person. These foods work well for me. I love meat and I’m on this carnivore 🚂.
Vertical is not carnivore, so I'm not following.
Yes, you are correct. Carnivore was a poor word choice because that is a diet and I eat more than meat. Meat is most of my diet but it’s not a carnivore diet. 😜😜😜1 -
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!3 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!
“People in the fitness/nutrition industry” and “science” are not necessarily the same thing.21 -
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YoungGun11 wrote: »
veggies are carbs.4 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies ARE carbs.
Oops. You beat me to it.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies ARE carbs.
Oops. You beat me to it.
Fun facts:
- Iceberg lettuce gets 78% of its calories from carbs.
- raw carrots: 89%
- cucumber with peel: 83% (peeled: 68%)
- raw kale: 72%
- raw onion: 90%
- raw celery: 73%
(source: https://nutritiondata.self.com)9 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Nobody in the thread said or implied that their way is the only way
You have posted about the diet without following what it is - it is not something you start with and add other things in.
Vertical diet just sounds a fancy name to me - OP, if you like eating just beef, rice, vegetables, that's fine. Presuming it is a range of veggies, that would probably be a nutritionally balanced diet.
I personally prefer a greater range of foods and I don't think your fancy name diet has any particular gut health or other benefits.
Other than reducing calories - but any diet that reduces calories does that, doesn't have to consist of anything in particular.
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paperpudding wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Nobody in the thread said or implied that their way is the only way
You have posted about the diet without following what it is - it is not something you start with and add other things in.
Vertical diet just sounds a fancy name to me - OP, if you like eating just beef, rice, vegetables, that's fine. Presuming it is a range of veggies, that would probably be a nutritionally balanced diet.
I personally prefer a greater range of foods and I don't think your fancy name diet has any particular gut health or other benefits.
Other than reducing calories - but any diet that reduces calories does that, doesn't have to consist of anything in particular.
Weird flex but ok. Thanks for your response, you have an opinion. 🤟🤟🤟 have a great day!1 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!
“People in the fitness/nutrition industry” and “science” are not necessarily the same thing.
They are not necessarily different either, huh? Did I miss your point? Thanks for your response! Have a great day! 🤟🤟🤟2 -
Not enough variety for me. That said, you do you my man...4
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies ARE carbs.
Oops. You beat me to it.
Fun facts:
- Iceberg lettuce gets 78% of its calories from carbs.
- raw carrots: 89%
- cucumber with peel: 83% (peeled: 68%)
- raw kale: 72%
- raw onion: 90%
- raw celery: 73%
(source: https://nutritiondata.self.com)
Yes, there are good carbs. Not all are “empty” carbs. Thank you for your post. 👍👍👍1 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!
“People in the fitness/nutrition industry” and “science” are not necessarily the same thing.
They are not necessarily different either, huh? Did I miss your point? Thanks for your response! Have a great day! 🤟🤟🤟
the fitness industry takes science and sometimes very paper thin science and processes it so they can make a product to sell to you.
gut diet is questionable science11 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!
“People in the fitness/nutrition industry” and “science” are not necessarily the same thing.
They are not necessarily different either, huh? Did I miss your point? Thanks for your response! Have a great day! 🤟🤟🤟
the fitness industry takes science and sometimes very paper thin science and processes it so they can make a product to sell to you.
gut diet is questionable science
I’m sure you have a point. I can’t see it, but thanks for your response! 👍👍👍0 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies ARE carbs.
Oops. You beat me to it.
Fun facts:
- Iceberg lettuce gets 78% of its calories from carbs.
- raw carrots: 89%
- cucumber with peel: 83% (peeled: 68%)
- raw kale: 72%
- raw onion: 90%
- raw celery: 73%
(source: https://nutritiondata.self.com)
Yes, there are good carbs. Not all are “empty” carbs. Thank you for your post. 👍👍👍
Carbs are carbs. But of course some foods with carbs (just like some with fat and some with protein) have more or less other nutrients, like fiber and various micros or protein or various types of fat (nuts have carbs, also some protein, and are mainly great due to the healthy fats).
The vertical diet seems not to be great for omega-3s, speaking of fat (grass fed beef will have some, but is hardly as good a source as fatty fish), as well as not high in fiber unless you really concentrate on getting in many servings of vegetables.
Anyway, I find it interesting that you seem to be down on carbs that are basically just carbs, since that's what white rice is (not that it doesn't have a few micros and such). The main reason it's popular in bodybuilder diets is probably because it's an easily digested (as in quickly digested) source of starch -- i.e., good and easy source of energy. The starches that seem to be forbidden on the vertical diet (potatoes, sweet potatoes, whole grains, beans and lentils) tend to have as good or better a nutrient profile (usually better, IMO, but I'm not down on white rice either, so long as you have other sources of nutrients). I also think fruit is pretty good for you, but again, no one food (or even food group -- although I'd recommend everyone eat vegetables) is essential.10 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!
“People in the fitness/nutrition industry” and “science” are not necessarily the same thing.
They are not necessarily different either, huh? Did I miss your point? Thanks for your response! Have a great day! 🤟🤟🤟
the fitness industry takes science and sometimes very paper thin science and processes it so they can make a product to sell to you.
gut diet is questionable science
I’m sure you have a point. I can’t see it, but thanks for your response! 👍👍👍
The point is that the diet/fitness industry takes one study with a shaky conclusion, over-dramatizes the conclusion and tells the public it's "science", and then charges you $100 for a diet plan or supplements or a workout based on that.
That's not how science works, but the diet/fitness industry wants you to believe it is.
If eating that way gives you the right amount of calories and the energy and fuel you need to reach your goals, awesome! But "gut health" and "hormone balancing" are the popular key words right now that both bro-science and alternative-health personalities are using to sell lots of unnecessary stuff based on shaky scientific ground, so we're just suggesting that lurkers don't put much faith in that sort of thing. Their gut and hormones will be just fine eating a well-balanced diet with lots of variety. In fact, the majority of the science points to a varied diet being better for gut health, as it supports healthy gut bacteria.
I'd guess most researchers focused on gastroenterology and endocrinology would be concerned about the possibility of daily high sat fat and low fiber in the diet (depending on how much and how many different veggies you added). I'm not sure though if those recommendations are different for someone who is highly muscled, as that's not something I have to worry about personally
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