Vertical Diet
YoungGun11
Posts: 46 Member
Currently eating beef patties for breakfast monster mash for lunch. Dropped 7lbs in 2 weeks. Anyone going vertical? Or carnivore? 
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Had to look it up. So basically rice, beef, and vegetables?
Why not just a healthy balanced diet emphasizing veg, with some fruit, a variety of protein sources, and a variety of sources of starchy carbs?22 -
If you can do it long term--good for you. Sounds boring. Best of luck.8
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The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.3
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Keep in mind that 7 pounds in two weeks is hopefully mostly water weight. 3.5 pounds of fat per week would be an unhealthy pace unless you have a very large amount of weight to lose. It’s extremely common for people to lose a lot of water weight quickly when they first cut calories, especially if they’re also reducing carbs.8
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Sounds very boring and unnecessary.10
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My strength is up. (Deadlift and bench press) I’m eating more calories than lunch and breakfast. My body feels better than it has in a long time. The 7 lbs isn’t totally pointed at the vertical diet. I fluctuate body weight. But my point is I’ve cleaned up my diet during the day and in seeing progress with easy changes.6
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YoungGun11 wrote: »The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.
Usually fiber is considered a plus, and that diet is cutting out some great sources of fiber (although if you eat enough veg that will provide a good bit).
I'm also not seeing how a more diverse diet based on mostly whole foods would be bad for gut health, absent a specific medical problem.11 -
What’s unnecessary about eating foods that work best for my body and making choices that make my body feel better?amusedmonkey wrote: »Sounds very boring and unnecessary.5 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.
Usually fiber is considered a plus, and that diet is cutting out some great sources of fiber (although if you eat enough veg that will provide a good bit).
I'm also not seeing how a more diverse diet based on mostly whole foods would be bad for gut health, absent a specific medical problem.
I didn’t say other diets are bad for gut health. There are several diets that work. Depends on the person. These foods work well for me. I love meat and I’m on this carnivore 🚂.3 -
use Cauliflower rice. you will never know the difference1
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I probably should add that this diet is good for people who are active.1
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Are you planning on eating like this for a long time, or is it just for a prescribed period?2
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I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
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corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Just FYI, it's not a newbie diet or a jumpstart. It's a performance diet program sold by a professional bodybuilder. It claims to improve gut health, optimize muscle building, and balance hormones. You don't build in other foods, the point is the limited types of foods, mostly red meat and white rice.16 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Are you planning on eating like this for a long time, or is it just for a prescribed period?snowflake954 wrote: »Are you planning on eating like this for a long time, or is it just for a prescribed period?snowflake954 wrote: »Are you planning on eating like this for a long time, or is it just for a prescribed period?
Yes, I intend on using the vertical diet as long as my body is making good gains.2 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.2 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies ARE carbs.32 -
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
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YoungGun11 wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.
Usually fiber is considered a plus, and that diet is cutting out some great sources of fiber (although if you eat enough veg that will provide a good bit).
I'm also not seeing how a more diverse diet based on mostly whole foods would be bad for gut health, absent a specific medical problem.
I didn’t say other diets are bad for gut health. There are several diets that work. Depends on the person. These foods work well for me. I love meat and I’m on this carnivore 🚂.
Vertical is not carnivore, so I'm not following.2 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies are mostly made up of carbs. There's nothing wrong with foods that contain carbs.
Also, why would you have to "sneak in" vegetables?9 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies are mostly made up of carbs. There's nothing wrong with foods that contain carbs.
Also, why would you have to "sneak in" vegetables?
You are correct, I was thinking of carbs that aren’t veggies. I don’t just love a ton of veggies so if my mind thinks I’m eating mashed potatoes but I’m eating cauliflower, I consider that a win.0 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »The idea is nutrient rich food that is easily digested. More of a “gut health” diet while still eating (good) carbs and plenty of protein.
Usually fiber is considered a plus, and that diet is cutting out some great sources of fiber (although if you eat enough veg that will provide a good bit).
I'm also not seeing how a more diverse diet based on mostly whole foods would be bad for gut health, absent a specific medical problem.
I didn’t say other diets are bad for gut health. There are several diets that work. Depends on the person. These foods work well for me. I love meat and I’m on this carnivore 🚂.
Vertical is not carnivore, so I'm not following.
Yes, you are correct. Carnivore was a poor word choice because that is a diet and I eat more than meat. Meat is most of my diet but it’s not a carnivore diet. 😜😜😜1 -
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!3 -
YoungGun11 wrote: »
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
And this is who you are going to listen to?YoungGun11 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I didn’t look it up. Lemurcat said hamburger, rice, veg. You said breakfast and lunch. If that’s all there is to it, it sounds like a perfect jumpstart for a newbie to dieting. The formula is easy to follow. You should be able to see how much better you feel just by leaving unnecessary calories out of your diet. After a week or two or three, you should be able to build on that, in a way that helps keep you at your best by experimenting with substituting other proteins and carbs, and also by adding fruits, etc. I can’t imagine it would be sustainable for long, but I totally see it as a jumping in with both feet start.
Congratulations on finding something that is helping you.
And welcome to all the disagreers. There will be plenty of them on this post, with all the people here who think their way is the only way.
Is it correct to dip one toe in the water, squeal, and dip two toes in? Or is it correct to jump in the deep end when totally dry?
Is it correct to take the bandage off slowly? Or rip it off?
Thanks! People can have their opinion, doesn’t bother me. Lol. It’s not a newbie diet. Check out Stan Efferding. Diet isn’t complex, it’s a performance diet based on gut health. May not be necessary for some but I enjoy it. Nothing crazy new, a lot of from older body building diet. (Chicken and rice) Stan says he’s never seen a big chicken so he like beef. Bison is a great meat as well but I beef is cheaper.
you are cutting calories. and not with a particularly nutrient dense choice of foods.
gut health science is questionable at best.
the big question is sustainability. think protein, veg/fruit, starch. rather than stoically sticking with one specific type only.
I’m def going to listen to him. I listen to a lot of people in the fitness/nutrition industry. I try different ways and use science to help my body perform the best. You are correct about being able to sustain a way of eating. A “lifestyle”, if you will. I think this is one way for me because I eat all the food you mentioned. I only shared one pic of my food but I eat more food groups. I like to use moderations and depending on my performance goals, I can adjust my calories. 😘😘😝😝😝 thanks!
“People in the fitness/nutrition industry” and “science” are not necessarily the same thing.21 -
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YoungGun11 wrote: »
veggies are carbs.4 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies ARE carbs.
Oops. You beat me to it.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »YoungGun11 wrote: »
Veggies ARE carbs.
Oops. You beat me to it.
Fun facts:
- Iceberg lettuce gets 78% of its calories from carbs.
- raw carrots: 89%
- cucumber with peel: 83% (peeled: 68%)
- raw kale: 72%
- raw onion: 90%
- raw celery: 73%
(source: https://nutritiondata.self.com)9
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