Game changers on Netflix
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What is your thoughts about this
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Anyone see this0
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I watched about half of it. Fell asleep (it wasn't boring but I was real tired). Brought up some interesting points and made me consider giving a more plant based diet a try just to see if I would notice any fitness gains. It is something I have considered doing for awhile anyway as I find my energy levels are not what I would like them to be.4
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I’ve just watched it this morning and for me it makes as much of a point about food production sustainability as it does about eating for sports performance. Although that aspect of it is pretty compelling too. If I were younger and athletically minded I’d be on board for that alone.
I’ve been vegetarian for some years (plus intermittently since leaving home about 40 years ago) and I’ve been thinking of extending into veganism more recently anyway. That documentary has certainly pushed me a whole lot closer to that. I now feel slightly guilty that I eat cheese and eggs, which are the only 2 things I’d really miss, I think.
I’m not sure the food sustainability message is going to change things fast enough to avoid the inevitable but my personal intention is to do my part!
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It is best to stick to common sense than be influenced by a biased and for-profit documentary. They can make all kinds of outlandish claims because even if it creates a controversy that is good for profit.21
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It is best to stick to common sense than be influenced by a biased and for-profit documentary. They can make all kinds of outlandish claims because even if it creates a controversy that is good for profit.
QFT. Same goes for most books. If you want hard science stick to actual peer reviewed studies and articles.12 -
It is best to stick to common sense than be influenced by a biased and for-profit documentary. They can make all kinds of outlandish claims because even if it creates a controversy that is good for profit.
QFT. Same goes for most books. If you want hard science stick to actual peer reviewed studies and articles.
I read an article awhile back that said when it comes to changes in food science do not even believe one study. Wait for 7.
Books/blogs/documentaries are all preying on the person that does not take the time to evaluate their own results. I don't need to be told how to eat because I can see the results in myself. My doctor checks me every 4 months to make sure nothing is wrong. I am doing fine doing what I do.10 -
I thought the documentary was very insightful
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Huh.. plant based diets. Well, they can be effect weight loss tools and maintenance. As long as It is mostly whole foods. Most like a LED. As far as gaining muscle. As long as someone is breaking the Leucine threshold. They can gain muscle. Optimal for muscle gains? Not sure.2
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missysippy930 wrote: »
I agree. Had to listen to the film today to comment. It is propaganda, buuuut, if it gets people to replace higher energy dense hyperprocessed food with lower energy dense whole plant foods... what's the worst?4 -
It is best to stick to common sense than be influenced by a biased and for-profit documentary. They can make all kinds of outlandish claims because even if it creates a controversy that is good for profit.
QFT. Same goes for most books. If you want hard science stick to actual peer reviewed studies and articles.
Actually because of the herd mentality of peers, the process, and need for funding, you really have to also be wary of those. If there were peer reviews 500 years ago, nobody would have ever believed or funded an expedition around the world. (Hyperbole I know, but peer review, while great is not the be-all, end-all).4 -
I'm pretty leery of any "documentary", particularly if it's related to nutrition, politics, or religion. In my experience, most have an agenda and data and information is cherry picked to suit that agenda. You can usually find another "documentary" that is the polar opposite of the other and sounds just as convincing.16
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psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »
I agree. Had to listen to the film today to comment. It is propaganda, buuuut, if it gets people to replace higher energy dense hyperprocessed food with lower energy dense whole plant foods... what's the worst?
The worst is they try to instantly change, revert completely, and learn nothing they can apply to achieving their goals.
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They're not called Mockumentaries for nothing.
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I feel like now I'm going to have to watch it, just so I can give people specific examples of why they shouldn't decide to change their diet based entirely on a "documentary".
Health documentaries often sound really convincing, until you do your homework on the info they give you. And that's because their ONLY responsibility is to be convincing. They don't have to give you a balanced treatment of the subject, they don't even really have to tell the truth. They can cherrypick people and studies that support their point, while ignoring those that don't.
At most, a health/nutrition/fitness documentary can be a motivation to research the information more rigorously on your own with balanced, reliable sources.11 -
I dropped off about 10 minutes in. I found it weird that they were bringing up a weird research study on Roman gladiator bones, and how it showed the gladiators had a rather vegetarian diet. The implication was that these gladiators were on this diet because it was somehow performance enhancing, rather than the idea that gladiators were slaves. I felt like I didn't have trust in how they were drawing conclusions at that point.24
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm pretty leery of any "documentary", particularly if it's related to nutrition, politics, or religion. In my experience, most have an agenda and data and information is cherry picked to suit that agenda. You can usually find another "documentary" that is the polar opposite of the other and sounds just as convincing.
Yes, here's another clearly biased sourced talking about the biases of the film: https://www.beefmagazine.com/beef/why-schwarzenegger-s-game-changers-documentary-dangerous
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Thanks for all the input0
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snickerscharlie wrote: »They're not called Mockumentaries for nothing.
A mockumentary is a film done in imitation of the documentary style, generally done for comedic purposes, generally about a fictitious subject (e.g., there wasn't really a band called Spinal Tap). The audience is intended to be in on the joke and know that it is fake.6 -
I watched it last night. I thought it was interesting. I always watch these shows with a healthy dose of skepticism.2
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I know what’s not often performance enhancing—eating a plant-based diet when you’re anemic.
Supplements don’t make enough of a difference for me and they wreak havoc with my stomach when I tried to up them to make up the difference. Plant sources aren’t readily absorbed for me.
I eat 16 oz. of red meat per week with a source of vitamin C (helps absorption).
I do eat my veggies and fruits (locally grown and in season as much as possible) and enjoy “meat substitutes.” But nothing keeps my iron levels barely into the normal range like red meat (and the iron supplements).
My concern is that folks process that type of “info” as absolute fact and make decisions that impact their body and health without fully being informed about how it might affect them. To me, being nutrient deficient is akin to being calorie deficient. You feel great until you don’t, and then it’s a long, uphill climb to get back to “normal.”11 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »I dropped off about 10 minutes in. I found it weird that they were bringing up a weird research study on Roman gladiator bones, and how it showed the gladiators had a rather vegetarian diet. The implication was that these gladiators were on this diet because it was somehow performance enhancing, rather than the idea that gladiators were slaves. I felt like I didn't have trust in how they were drawing conclusions at that point.
What they fail to state is that most gladiators were not even roman. Then they fail to state that only the wealthy age large amounts of meat. The grain stipend is what fed the masses.7 -
I did not feel the need to watch the movie to comment on it. I just read this article instead: https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a29067926/the-game-changers-movie-fact-check/. Everything can have an agenda, even that article, but it seemed to be a pretty good rebuttal of the documentary's main points.
Look when it comes to plant based lifestyles, I think there are two points that are largely valid and science based:
1. People should eat more fruits and vegetables and would be healthier if they did.
2. Reducing meat consumption is a psotiive thing from an environmental and sustainability perspective.
But both those things can still be true without needing to make meat out to be evil or try to spin limited studies into making grandiose statements, which this documentary seems to do. It's not even the best way to accomplish the agenda of trying to promote plant based eating.
There are always going to be a limited number of people who do fu plant based/veg. There are a larger number of people who are looking to I coproate more plant based eating and moderate their meat consumption. I am one of those. I think the part of the plant based movement that takes an all or nothing approach rather than incrementalism is shooting itself in the foot.12 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm pretty leery of any "documentary", particularly if it's related to nutrition, politics, or religion. In my experience, most have an agenda and data and information is cherry picked to suit that agenda. You can usually find another "documentary" that is the polar opposite of the other and sounds just as convincing.
Oh come on, I've learned so much from documentaries. Like the only appropriate volume is 11.7 -
Lol I just saw it on netflix and first place I came to ask about it was here.
I think another thing most people's brain (like mine back in the day) ended up doing was- someone looks jacked and is lifting copious amounts of weight -ergo that diet is the magic diet. One major factor for their physical looks and performance could be those "cycles" of things they inject.2
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