Neighbor wanting Autistic Child to be Euthanized...

Hoppymom

On one hand, that lady is c*nt. The child isn't retarded. There is a difference between mental retardation and autism, but I don't expect some moron to understand that. On the other hand, the grandmother should not just put the kid outside to scream and upset the neighbors. She could be engaging him in some sort of activity that he enjoys and one that would keep him quiet and help him in the long run.

This is what I was thinking, although with out the c*** word. I am an Early Childhood Special Education Teacher and have some experience with children (even older ones) who are on the autism spectrum. Some of you may not understand that children with severe autism can, and will, wail and scream for HOURS and HOURS at a time. I too was concerned that he may be left outside with no interaction because grandma can't stand the noise inside any more. Or he may simply be verbally stimming and not in distress at all. I notices that someone said that he is not "retarded." Children and adults on the autism spectrum can be range from profoundly cognitively delayed to brilliant.
This is a problem that needs to be solved. Both for the child and for the neighbors. I feel so bad for his mom and grandma. They are just trying to raise a child. Hopefully the letter writer will get some much needed education.

Whiskybelly

My oldest son is autistic, so this really pisses me off. Hitler held some of the same views as this person, it seems to be pretty prevalent on the left, so I'm not surprised when something like this happens in a left leaning country like Canada, it wouldn't surprise me coming from many parts of the US either.

Rigger

See, this baffles me. I saw this sort of idea expressed several times yesterday in various comment boards too, and I can't understand it at ALL. I'm a very "left leaning" Canadian, and an atheist, and when I saw this letter I was beyond horrified. I don't understand why people would think "left leaning" people are more likely to say things like this? The whole point of being "left leaning", not to take over the conversation, is to be inclusive of everyone and understanding of the needs of other people regardless of who they are. This letter is exactly the opposite of what left-wing people represent. Where did that idea even come from??

Also, in terms of hate laws in Canada vs. the US, to give you an idea of what it's like in Canada, the members of the Westboro Baptist Church aren't even allowed in Canada because of their hateful beliefs and actions. That's the kind of hate laws we have in Canada. We don't tolerate that kind of nonsense lol.

It came from history, Hitler was a man of the left, Margaret Sanger was a woman of the left, she was all about euthanizing people who she thought were undesirable. She was a darling and hero of the progressive movement of the early 20th century, which is where Hitler got many of his ideas. How about George Bernard Shaw? He was an early progressive, he thought people should have to justify their existence and benefit to society or be "humanely killed." I can go on with hundreds of examples both historical and current, but I think we're off topic at this point. If you are a liberal, I mean a real liberal of the Jeffersonian bent I applaud you, but if you're a liberal of the current definition, I feel sorry for you.

Rigger

Hitler was only "left" in the sense that he wanted to abolish capitalism. But he didn't want to do it for the "people" - it was only for the German people, and even then you had to fit into his chosen and very specific category. He was as "left wing" as Robert Mugabe is right wing for thinking that the state doesn't deserve handouts. The fact is left wing or right wing means nothing when describing the workings of a malevolent mind.

Sabine_Stroehm

Just a small important note !! They do not know who sent this hate mail!!! So to comment on it was a "Mother" Is wrong. They claim it may have been someone in the neighbourhood.

It's SIGNED "one pissed off mother". Assuming it's a mother seems logical.

UsedToBeHusky

The fact is left wing or right wing means nothing when describing the workings of a malevolent mind.

This statement I can agree with. Sociopaths just use political platforms to justify their behaviors. That doesn't mean that people who share similar views are all sociopaths.

doctorsookie

boils on the *kitten* of humanity.

I am going to borrow this if that's okay. I hope they track down the person that did this and lock her up and play really annoying whaling all day for the rest of her life. @!$#%^&*()
I think that sums it up.

DSTMT

My oldest son is autistic, so this really pisses me off. Hitler held some of the same views as this person, it seems to be pretty prevalent on the left, so I'm not surprised when something like this happens in a left leaning country like Canada, it wouldn't surprise me coming from many parts of the US either.

Rigger

See, this baffles me. I saw this sort of idea expressed several times yesterday in various comment boards too, and I can't understand it at ALL. I'm a very "left leaning" Canadian, and an atheist, and when I saw this letter I was beyond horrified. I don't understand why people would think "left leaning" people are more likely to say things like this? The whole point of being "left leaning", not to take over the conversation, is to be inclusive of everyone and understanding of the needs of other people regardless of who they are. This letter is exactly the opposite of what left-wing people represent. Where did that idea even come from??

Also, in terms of hate laws in Canada vs. the US, to give you an idea of what it's like in Canada, the members of the Westboro Baptist Church aren't even allowed in Canada because of their hateful beliefs and actions. That's the kind of hate laws we have in Canada. We don't tolerate that kind of nonsense lol.

It came from history, Hitler was a man of the left, Margaret Sanger was a woman of the left, she was all about euthanizing people who she thought were undesirable. She was a darling and hero of the progressive movement of the early 20th century, which is where Hitler got many of his ideas. How about George Bernard Shaw? He was an early progressive, he thought people should have to justify their existence and benefit to society or be "humanely killed." I can go on with hundreds of examples both historical and current, but I think we're off topic at this point. If you are a liberal, I mean a real liberal of the Jeffersonian bent I applaud you, but if you're a liberal of the current definition, I feel sorry for you.

Rigger

Hitler was only "left" in the sense that he wanted to abolish capitalism. But he didn't want to do it for the "people" - it was only for the German people, and even then you had to fit into his chosen and very specific category. He was as "left wing" as Robert Mugabe is right wing for thinking that the state doesn't deserve handouts. The fact is left wing or right wing means nothing when describing the workings of a malevolent mind.

Exactly. This is the grossest kind of generalization...Hitler was also a hard-core devout Catholic. By your logic, that must mean that all Catholics secretly want to ethnically cleanse anyone who isn't. I'm not trying to create a sub-argument on this thread, but come on. You're demonstrating the exact type of mentality that you're accusing "left" people of having.

navyrigger46

My oldest son is autistic, so this really pisses me off. Hitler held some of the same views as this person, it seems to be pretty prevalent on the left, so I'm not surprised when something like this happens in a left leaning country like Canada, it wouldn't surprise me coming from many parts of the US either.

Rigger

See, this baffles me. I saw this sort of idea expressed several times yesterday in various comment boards too, and I can't understand it at ALL. I'm a very "left leaning" Canadian, and an atheist, and when I saw this letter I was beyond horrified. I don't understand why people would think "left leaning" people are more likely to say things like this? The whole point of being "left leaning", not to take over the conversation, is to be inclusive of everyone and understanding of the needs of other people regardless of who they are. This letter is exactly the opposite of what left-wing people represent. Where did that idea even come from??

Also, in terms of hate laws in Canada vs. the US, to give you an idea of what it's like in Canada, the members of the Westboro Baptist Church aren't even allowed in Canada because of their hateful beliefs and actions. That's the kind of hate laws we have in Canada. We don't tolerate that kind of nonsense lol.

It came from history, Hitler was a man of the left, Margaret Sanger was a woman of the left, she was all about euthanizing people who she thought were undesirable. She was a darling and hero of the progressive movement of the early 20th century, which is where Hitler got many of his ideas. How about George Bernard Shaw? He was an early progressive, he thought people should have to justify their existence and benefit to society or be "humanely killed." I can go on with hundreds of examples both historical and current, but I think we're off topic at this point. If you are a liberal, I mean a real liberal of the Jeffersonian bent I applaud you, but if you're a liberal of the current definition, I feel sorry for you.

Rigger

Hitler was only "left" in the sense that he wanted to abolish capitalism. But he didn't want to do it for the "people" - it was only for the German people, and even then you had to fit into his chosen and very specific category. He was as "left wing" as Robert Mugabe is right wing for thinking that the state doesn't deserve handouts. The fact is left wing or right wing means nothing when describing the workings of a malevolent mind.

Realistically there is no right or left anymore, there are only statists and non statists, and both are found on the right and the left. But as defined in Hitler's time he was on the left, his views on government were more in line with US democrats than republicans at the time. Now days, he'd be a statist, as would 99% of congress, and every president in my lifetime regardless of party. Fundamentally when it comes to the direction of government there is little difference between the right and the left at this point.

navyrigger46

My oldest son is autistic, so this really pisses me off. Hitler held some of the same views as this person, it seems to be pretty prevalent on the left, so I'm not surprised when something like this happens in a left leaning country like Canada, it wouldn't surprise me coming from many parts of the US either.

Rigger

See, this baffles me. I saw this sort of idea expressed several times yesterday in various comment boards too, and I can't understand it at ALL. I'm a very "left leaning" Canadian, and an atheist, and when I saw this letter I was beyond horrified. I don't understand why people would think "left leaning" people are more likely to say things like this? The whole point of being "left leaning", not to take over the conversation, is to be inclusive of everyone and understanding of the needs of other people regardless of who they are. This letter is exactly the opposite of what left-wing people represent. Where did that idea even come from??

Also, in terms of hate laws in Canada vs. the US, to give you an idea of what it's like in Canada, the members of the Westboro Baptist Church aren't even allowed in Canada because of their hateful beliefs and actions. That's the kind of hate laws we have in Canada. We don't tolerate that kind of nonsense lol.

It came from history, Hitler was a man of the left, Margaret Sanger was a woman of the left, she was all about euthanizing people who she thought were undesirable. She was a darling and hero of the progressive movement of the early 20th century, which is where Hitler got many of his ideas. How about George Bernard Shaw? He was an early progressive, he thought people should have to justify their existence and benefit to society or be "humanely killed." I can go on with hundreds of examples both historical and current, but I think we're off topic at this point. If you are a liberal, I mean a real liberal of the Jeffersonian bent I applaud you, but if you're a liberal of the current definition, I feel sorry for you.

Rigger

Hitler was only "left" in the sense that he wanted to abolish capitalism. But he didn't want to do it for the "people" - it was only for the German people, and even then you had to fit into his chosen and very specific category. He was as "left wing" as Robert Mugabe is right wing for thinking that the state doesn't deserve handouts. The fact is left wing or right wing means nothing when describing the workings of a malevolent mind.

Exactly. This is the grossest kind of generalization...Hitler was also a hard-core devout Catholic. By your logic, that must mean that all Catholics secretly want to ethnically cleanse anyone who isn't. I'm not trying to create a sub-argument on this thread, but come on. You're demonstrating the exact type of mentality that you're accusing "left" people of having.

By all means then, make it black and white for us by defining the left and right for us by virtue of their political philosophies. Give me a smaller brush with which to paint.

Rigger

UsedToBeHusky

By all means then, make it black and white for us by defining the left and right for us by virtue of their political philosophies. Give me a smaller brush with which to paint.

Rigger

:huh: Your metaphors have lost me...

rml_16

By all means then, make it black and white for us by defining the left and right for us by virtue of their political philosophies. Give me a smaller brush with which to paint.

Rigger

I think the main point we're all trying to make is that this letter was a nasty person doing a nasty thing and nothing to do with politics.

navyrigger46

By all means then, make it black and white for us by defining the left and right for us by virtue of their political philosophies. Give me a smaller brush with which to paint.

Rigger

:huh: Your metaphors have lost me...

I was accused of generalizing, (painting with broad strokes) I was asking for a narrower context of the topic. Or were you being sarcastic?

Rigger

DSTMT

By all means then, make it black and white for us by defining the left and right for us by virtue of their political philosophies. Give me a smaller brush with which to paint.

Rigger

:huh: Your metaphors have lost me...

Yeah me too...first you say that the views of the letter writer "seems to be pretty prevalent on the left, so I'm not surprised when something like this happens in a left leaning country like Canada" then you say there's no such thing as left or right, then you accuse me of being too black and white when I say that you're making generalizations...?

Left and right ARE political philosophies, that's the whole point, but MY point is, as a "left-leaning" person, I'm telling you, "left-leaning" people don't support the sort of things this woman wrote in this letter. If you want to start making definitions and generalizations, "left-leaning" people are more likely to support public health care and help for the needy, which is pretty well exactly the opposite of this person's assertions in the letter she wrote. Again, I'm not trying to take the thread off-track from the original subject, but I was really surprised when I saw multiple people making the assumption that this woman was some sort of "left wing commie" and I felt the need to address it. It doesn't make any sense and is the opposite of reality.

UsedToBeHusky

By all means then, make it black and white for us by defining the left and right for us by virtue of their political philosophies. Give me a smaller brush with which to paint.

Rigger

:huh: Your metaphors have lost me...

I was accused of generalizing, (painting with broad strokes) I was asking for a narrower context of the topic. Or were you being sarcastic?

Rigger

I'm confused, because as the other poster pointed out, you went from an extremist view to a neutralized one, then accused the poster of denying you the right to define your views of political affiliations. I'm just completely lost at this point.

navyrigger46

I didn't call you black and white, whatever that means, I asked you to make it black and white, define left and right. As to your thoughts on health care,

Nevermind, I'm not going down that road here, I sent you a message, you can reply there if you like, but your last two posts in this thread have pretty much answered my queries.

Rigger

DSTMT

By all means then, make it black and white for us by defining the left and right for us by virtue of their political philosophies. Give me a smaller brush with which to paint.

Rigger

:huh: Your metaphors have lost me...

I was accused of generalizing, (painting with broad strokes) I was asking for a narrower context of the topic. Or were you being sarcastic?

Rigger

I'm confused, because as the other poster pointed out, you went from an extremist view to a neutralized one, then accused the poster of denying you the right to define your views of political affiliations. I'm just completely lost at this point.

lol I'm glad it's not just me!

Thewifesbigfatso

:huh:

Jerrypeoples

By all means then, make it black and white for us by defining the left and right for us by virtue of their political philosophies. Give me a smaller brush with which to paint.

Rigger

I think the main point we're all trying to make is that this letter was a nasty person doing a nasty thing and nothing to do with politics.