Coronavirus prep
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CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »
This is not to panic anyone or anything, but we've only in the past week gotten an effective COVID 19 test to all the states. I'm trying to remember the source. I think it was propublica. Also on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, if you're into that.
I'm not super worried about it, but then again, people come into work sick all the time to save their leave, and it's contagious before you show symptoms and it's probably airborne transmission so...
Have not yet watched but all his other shows I've watched have been excelled:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c09m5f7Gnic6 -
I would think the concern and urge to accumulate supplies is (possibly) less about the pending apocalypse or a global pandemic wiping out massive portions of the population, and more that even now there are supply chain issues (In some sectors) due to the number of ill and quarantined workers overseas (particularly, but not exclusively in China).
Even aspirin becomes a commodity when the factories that make it are closed and local supplies dwindle and can’t be replenished.
I live in a state that is still shell shocked from multiple periods where grocery stores & gas stations were inaccessible for weeks after storms (no power) and nobody here is making a run for those kinds of supplies (yet).4 -
Stocked up on toilet paper and Bourbon. We're ready for the zombie apocalypse.23
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If I am stuck eating beans and rice no way my dog is going to be eating premium dog food.9
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I'm in Washington state, pretty close to the confirmed cases and yes, I'm a tad worried. Not in a panic, but being cautious. I have little kids and have asthma myself so I don't want any of us catching ANYTHING that could land us in the hospital.
I'm wondering why is everyone stockpiling toilet paper?!?! That is selling out as quick as water around here!
That could be related to P&G's announcement that they expect disruption in their supply chain, which include toilet paper.2 -
I'm willing to hop on board the "This is how the zombie apocalypse starts" conspiracy train, but I'm kicking myself for slacking on my workouts the last few months now.
I have always known that I will be one of the first to succumb to zombies. I fully intend to do so sitting on my couch with a cat on my lap and cookie in my hand.13 -
I'm willing to hop on board the "This is how the zombie apocalypse starts" conspiracy train, but I'm kicking myself for slacking on my workouts the last few months now.
I have always known that I will be one of the first to succumb to zombies. I fully intend to do so sitting on my couch with a cat on my lap and cookie in my hand.
As long as the zombies can't run I have a chance. It would not make for a good tv or movie me staying 10 steps ahead of a zombie while we walk everywhere.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »I’m not delighted with the message that “It’s fine, mostly older people with chronic conditions die from this.” I am an older person with two chronic conditions, lupus and diabetes, my husband is a older person with asthma, my mother is a very old person with heart disease, and most of the people I love are older with one or more chronic conditions.
Yep, with you on this. Not older, but immunocompromised. But heaven forbid those that are only likely to have mild symptoms stop and think about the effect on others. This could be contained, but it won't be.
I'm not panicking, but I will be ensuring that I have adequate supplies so that I can limit my contact with other people (which actually isn't that much different to my normal life , other than intending to avoid the supermarket). I've fought too damn hard to get to my current state of (relative) wellness, I refuse to be set back by some pesky virus.16 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »I would think the concern and urge to accumulate supplies is (possibly) less about the pending apocalypse or a global pandemic wiping out massive portions of the population, and more that even now there are supply chain issues (In some sectors) due to the number of ill and quarantined workers overseas (particularly, but not exclusively in China).
Even aspirin becomes a commodity when the factories that make it are closed and local supplies dwindle and can’t be replenished.
I live in a state that is still shell shocked from multiple periods where grocery stores & gas stations were inaccessible for weeks after storms (no power) and nobody here is making a run for those kinds of supplies (yet).
Ya, a few days ago I was looking for an item to get my walmart.com order up to the free shipping minimum of $35, thought of the ibuprofen I get from Walmart, and that was OOS. Might be a coincidence, might not.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »But...
Okay. I don't have TV and I don't look at the news.
Ya'll - WHY are people stripping grocery shelves? Are we being locked into our houses? Do they think it is going to blow over in a week? Are all the food supply chains being shut down by the government? I don't understand...you guys are kind of freaking me out but I don't really know why.
Looking at the news (credible) during what is likely the start of a pandemic is probably a good idea. No need to panic, but being informed, and being prepared, is a sensible thing to do. Then you won't have to panic when you realise everyone around you is sick and you can't buy food because all the stores are closed (because all the staff are sick)6 -
DancingMoosie wrote: »We just got some extra dry beans, rice, and gallon jugs of water. We aren't really afraid of the virus, but more of the panicked shoppers that might clear the shelves, lol.
I’m glad I bought rice and beans and lots of water last week. I had no idea I was supposed to.
I was out of rice, beans were on sale, and someone suggested electrolyte water or Gatorade for my leg cramps. I hate Gatorade, so I bought a couple of bottles of every other kind of electrolyte drinks, as well as water.
I guess that means I’m good to go?
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@puffbrat I agree - horizon is pretty good shelf stable milk. It may be way more expensive initially - I think it would be around $15 for a gallon verses the $3 for a fresh gallon - but since I don't use milk all that often, I'd rather pay extra for the shelf stable stuff than waste milk that has spoiled. But if I don't have something, sure as shootin' I'd need it when I didn't have it, and sometimes, I'll splurge and use it in my coffee instead of cashew milk.
But I agree that I'm not seeing the reason to go into a panic yet; of course, that's the news media for you these days. It may have the potential to be deadlier than the flu, but right now, its not happening, and speculation only feeds the panic. Of course if you have health concerns that make you more susceptible or that would make it more dangerous for you, you should be concerned and wary, but I still can't see where it warrants a run on grocery stores.
But if the zombies make it this far, I'm glad I live in rural Appalachia! My freezer is stocked, my pantry shelves are stocked, and in addition to my pistol, I have a 4 ft long broadsword We hillbillies will just hunker down in our hollers and hills and dare them zombies to come. Just listen to those banjos strum........12 -
I don’t understand why people are stockpiling water. It’s not like the municipal water supply is suddenly going ro get turned off or infected with virus. I’m in CA and always have extra shelf-stable food on hand because of earthquake preparedness. Not to mention wildfire threats and PG&E power shutdowns. We picked up a few extra things yesterday so if we get any flu-like symptoms we can self-quarantine at home without having to go out and spread our germs around, whether they’re run of the mill flu or coronavirus. But y’all gotta quit watching the news, taking a few precautions is prudent but there is no reason to strip the store shelves.22
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »But...
Okay. I don't have TV and I don't look at the news.
Ya'll - WHY are people stripping grocery shelves? Are we being locked into our houses? Do they think it is going to blow over in a week? Are all the food supply chains being shut down by the government? I don't understand...you guys are kind of freaking me out but I don't really know why.
Looking at the news (credible) during what is likely the start of a pandemic is probably a good idea. No need to panic, but being informed, and being prepared, is a sensible thing to do. Then you won't have to panic when you realise everyone around you is sick and you can't buy food because all the stores are closed (because all the staff are sick)
I just read the whole WHO website and watched their 36 minute video about it. I still am having trouble panicking.
I have to go to the grocery tomorrow. My regular grocery store is just a couple blocks away from the nursing facility in Washington that is associated with an outbreak and two have died from this outbreak, I think they've verified over a dozen cases within 2 miles of me. Schools that are less than a mile from me are closed due to this today. Apparently I'm at Ground Zero for the U.S. If I hadn't read this thread I would still be happily unaware. Thanks..@kshama2001
I think.
Maybe I'll go to a different grocery store.
I still feel like there's an awful lot of catastrophizing going on for something that appears to be like the flu in its virulence...and I am old. Oh well, it's been a good life.
Somebody come check on me in a few days.
JK.
kinda.31 -
I don’t understand why people are stockpiling water. It’s not like the municipal water supply is suddenly going ro get turned off or infected with virus. I’m in CA and always have extra shelf-stable food on hand because of earthquake preparedness. Not to mention wildfire threats and PG&E power shutdowns. We picked up a few extra things yesterday so if we get any flu-like symptoms we can self-quarantine at home without having to go out and spread our germs around, whether they’re run of the mill flu or coronavirus. But y’all gotta quit watching the news, taking a few precautions is prudent but there is no reason to strip the store shelves.
It's because several media reports this weekend told people they didn't need masks but they should get food, water, and OTC medicine appropriate for the flu and too many people just jumped on that without thinking "Wait, why do I need water?"4 -
cmriverside wrote: »p.s. I'm in WA. I guess if anyone I really *should* be panicky? What's with the State of Emergency because one already sick man died?
alllll righty. Time to get off the internet.
People seem to react to everything by hoarding stuff. Happens with weather things. Supposedly the idea is that if there is an outbreak in your area avoiding crowded areas like stores is recommended. I am not worried about doing that (unless I were to get sick or find out I was exposed, of course), but I think the bigger concern is stores running out of stuff.
(Apparently some places local to me have run out of masks -- which I would not buy anyway -- and hand sanitizer, although I was at the store as normal yesterday and didn't notice any weird activity. I didn't go to Costco, though.)
And, ha, ha, as a result of this discussion I seem to be getting ads for masks.
And they're always for the masks that are absolutely useless for this.
I'm not panicking, even though we have a confirmed case in my town. Just wash your damn hands, people!14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »While is is mainly on the West coast today in the USA one article said it will be spreading the month of March and April to the rest of the country. Thankfully spring time is coming.
What does spring have to do with it?
Influenza epidemics usually abate in warmer weather.
This probably accounts for the slowing of cases in China where winter is over
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cmriverside wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »But...
Okay. I don't have TV and I don't look at the news.
Ya'll - WHY are people stripping grocery shelves? Are we being locked into our houses? Do they think it is going to blow over in a week? Are all the food supply chains being shut down by the government? I don't understand...you guys are kind of freaking me out but I don't really know why.
Looking at the news (credible) during what is likely the start of a pandemic is probably a good idea. No need to panic, but being informed, and being prepared, is a sensible thing to do. Then you won't have to panic when you realise everyone around you is sick and you can't buy food because all the stores are closed (because all the staff are sick)
I just read the whole WHO website and watched their 36 minute video about it. I still am having trouble panicking.
I have to go to the grocery tomorrow. My regular grocery store is just a couple blocks away from the nursing facility in Washington that is associated with an outbreak and two have died from this outbreak, I think they've verified over a dozen cases within 2 miles of me. Schools that are less than a mile from me are closed due to this today. Apparently I'm at Ground Zero for the U.S. If I hadn't read this thread I would still be happily unaware. Thanks..@kshama2001
I think.
Maybe I'll go to a different grocery store.
I still feel like there's an awful lot of catastrophizing going on for something that appears to be like the flu in its virulence...and I am old. Oh well, it's been a good life.
Somebody come check on me in a few days.
JK.
kinda.
Between us my husband and I have four great-grandmothers who died in 1919. Want to guess why? Oh yeah, flu. The Spanish flu epidemic.
Americans I think have gotten used to the idea that really bad stuff doesn’t happen here, but it has in the past and it can again.
Currently the experts are suggesting about 60 - 70% of Americans will get this, and it’s about 1% fatal with optimal healthcare. If you run those numbers past the American population, that’s 2 million deaths.17 -
cmriverside wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »But...
Okay. I don't have TV and I don't look at the news.
Ya'll - WHY are people stripping grocery shelves? Are we being locked into our houses? Do they think it is going to blow over in a week? Are all the food supply chains being shut down by the government? I don't understand...you guys are kind of freaking me out but I don't really know why.
Looking at the news (credible) during what is likely the start of a pandemic is probably a good idea. No need to panic, but being informed, and being prepared, is a sensible thing to do. Then you won't have to panic when you realise everyone around you is sick and you can't buy food because all the stores are closed (because all the staff are sick)
I just read the whole WHO website and watched their 36 minute video about it. I still am having trouble panicking.
I have to go to the grocery tomorrow. My regular grocery store is just a couple blocks away from the nursing facility in Washington that is associated with an outbreak and two have died from this outbreak, I think they've verified over a dozen cases within 2 miles of me. Schools that are less than a mile from me are closed due to this today. Apparently I'm at Ground Zero for the U.S. If I hadn't read this thread I would still be happily unaware. Thanks..@kshama2001
I think.
Maybe I'll go to a different grocery store.
I still feel like there's an awful lot of catastrophizing going on for something that appears to be like the flu in its virulence...and I am old. Oh well, it's been a good life.
Somebody come check on me in a few days.
JK.
kinda.
And you'll note I said you don't need to panic, just be prepared. There's a difference.10 -
I'm in Washington state, pretty close to the confirmed cases and yes, I'm a tad worried. Not in a panic, but being cautious. I have little kids and have asthma myself so I don't want any of us catching ANYTHING that could land us in the hospital.
I'm wondering why is everyone stockpiling toilet paper?!?! That is selling out as quick as water around here!
A person can do without a lot of things. In a pinch you can eat Ramen noodles for a month, or peanut butter and crackers, or sardines. Almost anything can be worked around and done without. But there is one thing you must have on hand to remain a member in good standing of the modern world. Toilet paper.
Assume for the sake of discussion that you had used up your supply of paper towels, tissues, and other substitutes. Now imagine 3 or 4 weeks without any toilet paper.
It'd be medieval. An Hobbesian nasty and brutish state of nature. You may as well live in the woods and chase rodents with sticks for your dinner.
Toilet paper is modernity. Along with toothpaste, it's the must-have. It's the thing that if you don't have it, you'll end up concluding it's worth risking a plague to acquire, and will venture outside to get. Hence the frenzied shelf-clearing.12 -
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Between us my husband and I have four great-grandmothers who died in 1919. Want to guess why? Oh yeah, flu. The Spanish flu epidemic.
Americans I think have gotten used to the idea that really bad stuff doesn’t happen here, but it has in the past and it can again.
Currently the experts are suggesting about 60 - 70% of Americans will get this, and it’s about 1% fatal with optimal healthcare. If you run those numbers past the American population, that’s 2 million deaths.[/quote]
1) wash your hands
2) avoid traveling to countries with large outbreaks of the virus
3) wash your hands
4) avoid cruise ships and other places where you are in a closed environment with large numbers of other people
5) wash your hands
6) if you fly on an airplane, take disinfecting wipes and wipe down everything (this is good advice any time...I got really sick from germs on the plane last fall)
7) wash your hands
8) don’t panic
9) wash your hands!19 -
I'm in Washington state, pretty close to the confirmed cases and yes, I'm a tad worried. Not in a panic, but being cautious. I have little kids and have asthma myself so I don't want any of us catching ANYTHING that could land us in the hospital.
I'm wondering why is everyone stockpiling toilet paper?!?! That is selling out as quick as water around here!
A person can do without a lot of things. In a pinch you can eat Ramen noodles for a month, or peanut butter and crackers, or sardines. Almost anything can be worked around and done without. But there is one thing you must have on hand to remain a member in good standing of the modern world. Toilet paper.
Assume for the sake of discussion that you had used up your supply of paper towels, tissues, and other substitutes. Now imagine 3 or 4 weeks without any toilet paper.
It'd be medieval. An Hobbesian nasty and brutish state of nature. You may as well live in the woods and chase rodents with sticks for your dinner.
Toilet paper is modernity. Along with toothpaste, it's the must-have. It's the thing that if you don't have it, you'll end up concluding it's worth risking a plague to acquire, and will venture outside to get. Lack of it thus means you are not truly ready to hunker down. Hence the frenzied shelf-clearing.
Toothpaste!! Thank you for the reminder. *puts on list*6 -
I’m in a big city which just confirmed a coronavirus patient. While I’m not freaked out - I think being prepared is a good thing. Even if there wasn’t a pandemic - having a few weeks worth of pantry supplies in case of an emergency is a good thing IMHO. I think this reminds us how closely we are connected in terms of a global community. Hoping the spread stays under control.5
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paperpudding wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »While is is mainly on the West coast today in the USA one article said it will be spreading the month of March and April to the rest of the country. Thankfully spring time is coming.
What does spring have to do with it?
Influenza epidemics usually abate in warmer weather.
This probably accounts for the slowing of cases in China where winter is over
China actually did a really good job on the containment side, because they made people stay home ( + 1 for Communism). That's why it's slowing there.6 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »While is is mainly on the West coast today in the USA one article said it will be spreading the month of March and April to the rest of the country. Thankfully spring time is coming.
What does spring have to do with it?
Influenza epidemics usually abate in warmer weather.
This probably accounts for the slowing of cases in China where winter is over
China actually did a really good job on the containment side, because they made people stay home ( + 1 for Communism). That's why it's slowing there.
yes, that too - effective containment measures strictly enforced.
But nevertheless the pattern of all influenzas is a spike in winter, abating as warmer weather hits - hence the relevance of Spring.
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Duck_Puddle wrote: »more that even now there are supply chain issues (In some sectors) due to the number of ill and quarantined workers overseas (particularly, but not exclusively in China).
This wouldn't explain the stocking up on non perishable food, though. I think it's more the fear of being stuck in the house for one reason or another.3 -
I don’t understand why people are stockpiling water. It’s not like the municipal water supply is suddenly going ro get turned off or infected with virus. I’m in CA and always have extra shelf-stable food on hand because of earthquake preparedness. Not to mention wildfire threats and PG&E power shutdowns. We picked up a few extra things yesterday so if we get any flu-like symptoms we can self-quarantine at home without having to go out and spread our germs around, whether they’re run of the mill flu or coronavirus. But y’all gotta quit watching the news, taking a few precautions is prudent but there is no reason to strip the store shelves.
Yeah, I drink tap, so see no reason to buy water.
I am probably going to stockpile toilet paper, but I think that's a good thing to have plenty on hand at all times anyway, and as noted I always do tend to have plenty of canned goods and grains (and dried beans) in my pantry, as well as some frozen stuff in the freezer. I figure that's what a pantry is for!1 -
paperpudding wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »While is is mainly on the West coast today in the USA one article said it will be spreading the month of March and April to the rest of the country. Thankfully spring time is coming.
What does spring have to do with it?
Influenza epidemics usually abate in warmer weather.
This probably accounts for the slowing of cases in China where winter is over
Ah, I see. However, it appears that we don't know if that is the case for this coronavirus yet, however, although it is quite possible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-could-circulate-forever-says-experts
"If the coronavirus winds up fluctuating with the seasons like the flu, it could retreat in summer and return in the fall and winter each year.
'We know respiratory viruses are very seasonal, but not exclusively,' William Schaffner, an infectious-disease specialist at Vanderbilt University, told CNN.
'One would hope that the gradual spring will help this virus recede. We can't be sure of that.'
Respiratory viruses are seasonal because cooler temperatures help harden a protective gel-like coating that surrounds the virus particles while they're in the air. A stronger shell allows them to survive long enough in the air to travel from one person to the next."4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »But...
Okay. I don't have TV and I don't look at the news.
Ya'll - WHY are people stripping grocery shelves? Are we being locked into our houses? Do they think it is going to blow over in a week? Are all the food supply chains being shut down by the government? I don't understand...you guys are kind of freaking me out but I don't really know why.
Looking at the news (credible) during what is likely the start of a pandemic is probably a good idea. No need to panic, but being informed, and being prepared, is a sensible thing to do. Then you won't have to panic when you realise everyone around you is sick and you can't buy food because all the stores are closed (because all the staff are sick)
I just read the whole WHO website and watched their 36 minute video about it. I still am having trouble panicking.
I have to go to the grocery tomorrow. My regular grocery store is just a couple blocks away from the nursing facility in Washington that is associated with an outbreak and two have died from this outbreak, I think they've verified over a dozen cases within 2 miles of me. Schools that are less than a mile from me are closed due to this today. Apparently I'm at Ground Zero for the U.S. If I hadn't read this thread I would still be happily unaware. Thanks..@kshama2001
I think.
Maybe I'll go to a different grocery store.
I still feel like there's an awful lot of catastrophizing going on for something that appears to be like the flu in its virulence...and I am old. Oh well, it's been a good life.
Somebody come check on me in a few days.
JK.
kinda.
And you'll note I said you don't need to panic, just be prepared. There's a difference.
Yes, and the thread title and OP specifically refer to prepping.3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »DancingMoosie wrote: »We just got some extra dry beans, rice, and gallon jugs of water. We aren't really afraid of the virus, but more of the panicked shoppers that might clear the shelves, lol.
Same for us. I'm not terribly concerned about the virus but of the surrounding panic that will cause empty store shelves and panic about people going out in public. We haven't bought anything yet, but we are going to stock up on things like oats, frozen fruits and veggies, frozen meat, boxed macaroni and cheese, and crackers. And probably flour and sugar so we can still make cookies
Flour for making bread is at the top of my list
I'm also going to buy canned tuna, peanut butter, rice, beans, shelf stable fruit, etc.
As for P&G products, they make my brand of toilet paper, so I'm definitely buying a big thing of that.
All my friends thought I was crazy when I invested my money in canned food and shotguns after the "crash". Who's laughing at me now?
P.S. Has anyone else noted that this is how many zombie apocalypse movies start?7
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