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Well NYC is on the verge of going all remote for school. Sad times for my kids.6
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Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
It's really hard to tell your age with a mask on and I don't blame the clerk for wanting to see your face. If they don't card/at least visually see that you are of age they can lose their liquor license and I think it's pretty terrible of you to refuse to pull down your mask for 1 second so they can follow the law /shrug. If they refused to allow you to wear the mask at all maybe you'd have a good argument or right to be upset but it's pretty selfish of you to refuse to allow them to verify your age (plus even if you gave the the ID to her...with a mask on how exactly would the clerk verify it was you if they can't see your face?).
If you go to the airport TSA makes you lower your mask so they can verify your face/ID match....completely reasonable and acceptable.1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
Last spring there was a story about a store in New York city that had a sign up saying that there were no masks allowed in the store. Have no idea how that all shook out over time.
It wasn't no masks allowed in store... it was pull your mask down and get your face captured by the door with the camera before you can enter. The store owner was robbed 3 times i believe before installing that rule.
That seems very reasonable to me. I've often pointed out to my husband lately that it's funny that a year ago we'd never be allowed in places with a mask on but now we have to wear them...and curious if their rates of robbery has gone up due to the fact that people would be really hard to identify and therefore feel like it's worth the risk.2 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
It's really hard to tell your age with a mask on and I don't blame the clerk for wanting to see your face. If they don't card/at least visually see that you are of age they can lose their liquor license and I think it's pretty terrible of you to refuse to pull down your mask for 1 second so they can follow the law /shrug. If they refused to allow you to wear the mask at all maybe you'd have a good argument or right to be upset but it's pretty selfish of you to refuse to allow them to verify your age (plus even if you gave the the ID to her...with a mask on how exactly would the clerk verify it was you if they can't see your face?).
If you go to the airport TSA makes you lower your mask so they can verify your face/ID match....completely reasonable and acceptable.
Ok, less judgement please. No need jump to call me selfish and pretty terrible.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said she wouldn't even look at my ID. Had she said she wanted to see my face in order to check the ID was mine and asked me to pull down my mask for a moment it might have been a different conversation, I can understand a polite request to march the ID against the face of the person presenting it. However, she was extremely rude and insisted she would not look at my ID card at all and I had to fully take the mask off. I don't see that as her just "following the law".
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I don't mean to start a big debate about the merits of masks again, I just found the shop assistant very rude.11
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Redordeadhead wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
It's really hard to tell your age with a mask on and I don't blame the clerk for wanting to see your face. If they don't card/at least visually see that you are of age they can lose their liquor license and I think it's pretty terrible of you to refuse to pull down your mask for 1 second so they can follow the law /shrug. If they refused to allow you to wear the mask at all maybe you'd have a good argument or right to be upset but it's pretty selfish of you to refuse to allow them to verify your age (plus even if you gave the the ID to her...with a mask on how exactly would the clerk verify it was you if they can't see your face?).
If you go to the airport TSA makes you lower your mask so they can verify your face/ID match....completely reasonable and acceptable.
Ok, less judgement please. No need jump to call me selfish and pretty terrible.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said she wouldn't even look at my ID. Had she said she wanted to see my face in order to check the ID was mine and asked me to pull down my mask for a moment it might have been a different conversation, I can understand a polite request to march the ID against the face of the person presenting it. However, she was extremely rude and insisted she would not look at my ID card at all and I had to fully take the mask off. I don't see that as her just "following the law".
Might have been a bit harsh but let's not pretend this whole thread isn't full of judgement. Obviously I was not there and have no idea how rude the clerk was or if they started off rude or what. But I will say that if masks are going to be with us long term then we all need to be more understanding of the clerks who work in places like that (or airports or whatever) and if they ask us to remove the mask to look at your face briefly (and you can put it right back up) we should immediately comply and just get over it. They aren't paid enough for any of us to refuse or be rude about it /shrug. Maybe you were perfectly nice about it and their attitude was left over from someone else...but you refused to comply with what they wanted you to do to be in their store and you don't get to complain about it if you want to be able to go in there.3 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
It's really hard to tell your age with a mask on and I don't blame the clerk for wanting to see your face. If they don't card/at least visually see that you are of age they can lose their liquor license and I think it's pretty terrible of you to refuse to pull down your mask for 1 second so they can follow the law /shrug. If they refused to allow you to wear the mask at all maybe you'd have a good argument or right to be upset but it's pretty selfish of you to refuse to allow them to verify your age (plus even if you gave the the ID to her...with a mask on how exactly would the clerk verify it was you if they can't see your face?).
If you go to the airport TSA makes you lower your mask so they can verify your face/ID match....completely reasonable and acceptable.
Ok, less judgement please. No need jump to call me selfish and pretty terrible.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said she wouldn't even look at my ID. Had she said she wanted to see my face in order to check the ID was mine and asked me to pull down my mask for a moment it might have been a different conversation, I can understand a polite request to march the ID against the face of the person presenting it. However, she was extremely rude and insisted she would not look at my ID card at all and I had to fully take the mask off. I don't see that as her just "following the law".
Might have been a bit harsh but let's not pretend this whole thread isn't full of judgement. Obviously I was not there and have no idea how rude the clerk was or if they started off rude or what. But I will say that if masks are going to be with us long term then we all need to be more understanding of the clerks who work in places like that (or airports or whatever) and if they ask us to remove the mask to look at your face briefly (and you can put it right back up) we should immediately comply and just get over it. They aren't paid enough for any of us to refuse or be rude about it /shrug. Maybe you were perfectly nice about it and their attitude was left over from someone else...but you refused to comply with what they wanted you to do to be in their store and you don't get to complain about it if you want to be able to go in there.
Yeah, this thread is full of judgement for people who refuse to take this health crisis seriously and are endangering others and prolonging our misery.
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Redordeadhead wrote: »I don't mean to start a big debate about the merits of masks again, I just found the shop assistant very rude.
Not to worry, there is no debate about mask merits
Hey folks - doing a quick clean up of this discussion.
We really hope our US members are following public health guidelines and wearing a mask when out in public.
Whether or not we should be wearing masks in public settings is not up for debate in our community during this global pandemic. If you are choosing not to wear a mask in a recommended situation you may not promote it here.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
According to the article the positive people will only be treating Covid patients, so there shouldn’t be any more risk to general patients - the spaces to access Covid patients have already had Covid patients in them. The main problem seems to be mixing positive and not positive healthcare workers, which could be resolved by putting them in separate hospitals (if anyone had a lick of sense, which it seems they don’t).lynn_glenmont wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.
It will be interesting to see how the general public in North Dakota responds. Do people become reluctant to go to hospitals for treatment when they should, because they think they'll catch covid there? Do they use this as an example to justify not quarantining themselves when they're covid-positive but asymptomatic?
I'm also wondering if anyone has studied the effects of stress and long hours of physical work on initially asymptomatic cases. Will this put asymptomatic health care workers at greater risk of becoming symptomatic?
If things are so bad in terms of cases outweighing local resources, it seems a little short-sighted for the only government response to be, "let's let covid-positive health care workers continue working." What's next? Let's let folks without medical training start performing surgery?
Isolating patients by condition in different hospitals isn't really a good option in parts of the country where you're lucky if there's a hospital within 100 miles. You'd have people dying because they couldn't get to a hospital that would take them within the time they needed care.
Sorry if it's bad form to quote my own post, but there was just a story on NBC News apropos of this point about a man who needed emergency surgery for a brain infection who nearly died because he couldn't get into a local hospital because of covid.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/covid-19-forces-man-to-travel-miles-from-home-for-emergency-surgery-95891013611
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Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
But you weren't even the one making the purchase, right? Was your husband wearing a mask? Did she ask him to remove his? Or was she implying he might be making the purchase on behalf of a minor (you)?
I'm trying to get my mind around this. It sounds ... wacko, to use the technical term.
ETA: Just to be clear, not in any way implying you're not completely within your rights declining to make a purchase under conditions that would expose you to health risks and put you in a position of going against public health recommendations. I would have walked away, too. Of course, I have a strange habit of overbuying alcohol when I really don't drink that much, so there's always plenty at home to "shop"' from.6 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
It's really hard to tell your age with a mask on and I don't blame the clerk for wanting to see your face. If they don't card/at least visually see that you are of age they can lose their liquor license and I think it's pretty terrible of you to refuse to pull down your mask for 1 second so they can follow the law /shrug. If they refused to allow you to wear the mask at all maybe you'd have a good argument or right to be upset but it's pretty selfish of you to refuse to allow them to verify your age (plus even if you gave the the ID to her...with a mask on how exactly would the clerk verify it was you if they can't see your face?).
If you go to the airport TSA makes you lower your mask so they can verify your face/ID match....completely reasonable and acceptable.
Her not pulling down her mask in no way forced them to not follow the law, since they decided to leave without a purchase.8 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
It's really hard to tell your age with a mask on and I don't blame the clerk for wanting to see your face. If they don't card/at least visually see that you are of age they can lose their liquor license and I think it's pretty terrible of you to refuse to pull down your mask for 1 second so they can follow the law /shrug. If they refused to allow you to wear the mask at all maybe you'd have a good argument or right to be upset but it's pretty selfish of you to refuse to allow them to verify your age (plus even if you gave the the ID to her...with a mask on how exactly would the clerk verify it was you if they can't see your face?).
If you go to the airport TSA makes you lower your mask so they can verify your face/ID match....completely reasonable and acceptable.
Ok, less judgement please. No need jump to call me selfish and pretty terrible.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said she wouldn't even look at my ID. Had she said she wanted to see my face in order to check the ID was mine and asked me to pull down my mask for a moment it might have been a different conversation, I can understand a polite request to march the ID against the face of the person presenting it. However, she was extremely rude and insisted she would not look at my ID card at all and I had to fully take the mask off. I don't see that as her just "following the law".
So she was insisting you remove your mask and then get within arm's length of her to hand her the ID? I would have had to leave to be sure I wouldn't give into the temptation to comply with the mask-removal request and then cough as hard as I could when I handed her the ID.7 -
I no longer have to worry about getting carded and seeing my face to verify ID my age. Since COVID, I decided to let my silver/grey come in and now have granny hair. :P14
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Redordeadhead wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
It's really hard to tell your age with a mask on and I don't blame the clerk for wanting to see your face. If they don't card/at least visually see that you are of age they can lose their liquor license and I think it's pretty terrible of you to refuse to pull down your mask for 1 second so they can follow the law /shrug. If they refused to allow you to wear the mask at all maybe you'd have a good argument or right to be upset but it's pretty selfish of you to refuse to allow them to verify your age (plus even if you gave the the ID to her...with a mask on how exactly would the clerk verify it was you if they can't see your face?).
If you go to the airport TSA makes you lower your mask so they can verify your face/ID match....completely reasonable and acceptable.
Ok, less judgement please. No need jump to call me selfish and pretty terrible.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said she wouldn't even look at my ID. Had she said she wanted to see my face in order to check the ID was mine and asked me to pull down my mask for a moment it might have been a different conversation, I can understand a polite request to march the ID against the face of the person presenting it. However, she was extremely rude and insisted she would not look at my ID card at all and I had to fully take the mask off. I don't see that as her just "following the law".
Might have been a bit harsh but let's not pretend this whole thread isn't full of judgement. Obviously I was not there and have no idea how rude the clerk was or if they started off rude or what. But I will say that if masks are going to be with us long term then we all need to be more understanding of the clerks who work in places like that (or airports or whatever) and if they ask us to remove the mask to look at your face briefly (and you can put it right back up) we should immediately comply and just get over it. They aren't paid enough for any of us to refuse or be rude about it /shrug. Maybe you were perfectly nice about it and their attitude was left over from someone else...but you refused to comply with what they wanted you to do to be in their store and you don't get to complain about it if you want to be able to go in there.
Or we could just decide that that particular transaction isn't worth the risk, and if stores/services discover too many people feel that way that it impacts their business, they can innovate some method to meet their ID needs while preserving recommended public health conditions. For example: (1) put your ID down on the counter; (2) step behind the plexiglass barrier; (3) clerk picks up ID; (4) customer removes mask; (5) clerk compares ID and customer's face; (6) clerk places ID back on counter; (7) customer replaces mask and retrievers ID. Given that most retail places in my area have already installed some sort of plexiglass barrier at checkout stations, that doesn't seem like much of a lift.
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I no longer have to worry about getting carded and seeing my face to verify ID my age. Since COVID, I decided to let my silver/grey come in and now have granny hair. :P
Yeah, gotta say I'm not in much danger of being carded, even with a mask on.
I suppose there could be minors out there dying their hair gray in the scopes of scoring some alcohol ...?2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I no longer have to worry about getting carded and seeing my face to verify ID my age. Since COVID, I decided to let my silver/grey come in and now have granny hair. :P
Yeah, gotta say I'm not in much danger of being carded, even with a mask on.
I suppose there could be minors out there dying their hair gray in the scopes of scoring some alcohol ...?
Ya, I know things are getting bad when my adult daughter comments on how great my eyes look and it turns out that I put on mascara that day. Something that used to be non-negotiable.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »I no longer have to worry about getting carded and seeing my face to verify ID my age. Since COVID, I decided to let my silver/grey come in and now have granny hair. :P
Yeah, gotta say I'm not in much danger of being carded, even with a mask on.
I suppose there could be minors out there dying their hair gray in the scopes of scoring some alcohol ...?
I was with my husband a few years ago (no masks) and I was over 40. I mean it's pretty obvious I'm not under age - silver streaks in my hair, wrinkles and all that. I didn't bring my wallet because he was buying. The girl at the register looked like she should have been carded her own self. She wanted to see both of our IDs. She refused to sell to us when I said I didn't have mine. I couldn't believe it. My husband was pissed. The sign said "if you LOOK like you're under 30, you must show ID." I said, "thanks for the compliment, but I dont really look that young." She wasn't having it. That's only happened once tho. Nobody else even asks my age. Some people are just stickers I guess.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I no longer have to worry about getting carded and seeing my face to verify ID my age. Since COVID, I decided to let my silver/grey come in and now have granny hair. :P
Yeah, gotta say I'm not in much danger of being carded, even with a mask on.
I suppose there could be minors out there dying their hair gray in the scopes of scoring some alcohol ...?
I was with my husband a few years ago (no masks) and I was over 40. I mean it's pretty obvious I'm not under age - silver streaks in my hair, wrinkles and all that. I didn't bring my wallet because he was buying. The girl at the register looked like she should have been carded her own self. She wanted to see both of our IDs. She refused to sell to us when I said I didn't have mine. I couldn't believe it. My husband was pissed. The sign said "if you LOOK like you're under 30, you must show ID." I said, "thanks for the compliment, but I dont really look that young." She wasn't having it. That's only happened once tho. Nobody else even asks my age. Some people are just stickers I guess.
It's a wackadoodle rule. If somebody were a minor and bent on getting alcohol illegally, they'd learn the first time and just not go in with the adult in the future.
If a parent out running errands with a small child they can't leave home alone stops in to get a bottle of wine or whatever for dinner, do they refuse to sell to them?0 -
I think it's a rule you have to have a valid ID to purchase alcohol here at least. Last year my husband went in with me to buy something in the liquor store and they asked him for ID...and all he had was an expired DL. So they asked him to leave. I really doubt that the employees love carding people but I also know from taking a class to get a liquor license it's really easy to lose it and it's not a risk that the owners are willing to take.3
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I think it's a rule you have to have a valid ID to purchase alcohol here at least. Last year my husband went in with me to buy something in the liquor store and they asked him for ID...and all he had was an expired DL. So they asked him to leave. I really doubt that the employees love carding people but I also know from taking a class to get a liquor license it's really easy to lose it and it's not a risk that the owners are willing to take.
Yes, of course, but the poster who was carded wasn't the person buying the alcohol. If I'm in the process of buying something in a liquor store, and a friend who hasn't seen me for a while sees me through the big glass front window most of our local liquor stores have, and comes inside to say hi, does this mean I can't complete my transaction if my friend happens not to have their ID with them? It's just bizarre.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I think it's a rule you have to have a valid ID to purchase alcohol here at least. Last year my husband went in with me to buy something in the liquor store and they asked him for ID...and all he had was an expired DL. So they asked him to leave. I really doubt that the employees love carding people but I also know from taking a class to get a liquor license it's really easy to lose it and it's not a risk that the owners are willing to take.
Yes, of course, but the poster who was carded wasn't the person buying the alcohol. If I'm in the process of buying something in a liquor store, and a friend who hasn't seen me for a while sees me through the big glass front window most of our local liquor stores have, and comes inside to say hi, does this mean I can't complete my transaction if my friend happens not to have their ID with them? It's just bizarre.
I found this information on the California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control website.
https://www.abc.ca.gov/education/licensee-education/checking-identification/
"Good I.D. Policies
The following are some good I.D. policies:
Ask for I.D. from anyone who looks under 30 years old. If someone asks you, “Why are you checking my I.D.?” say, “Our policy is to card people who look under 30.”
Managers will support employees’ decisions to refuse service
If you must sell pitcher beer, ask for an I.D. from each person who receives a glass
Check I.D. as if you were cashing a $250 check because that is how much a mistake could cost you!
Door personnel and servers will both check I.D.’s
Post signs
Call the police for help if needed
If in doubt about an I.D., don’t accept it."
As the sign in the store stated, if you look under 30, you get carded. I'm literally an old bag. It's obvious to everyone and God that I'm not under 21. I wasn't buying, only standing next to the guy who was. She said she had to check me to make sure I wasn't a minor (LOL) after she saw me "touch the cart." (The bottle of wine was in the cart.) It was kind of embarrassing actually. It was busy and we'd waited in a long line of impatient shoppers. People were turning their heads in other lanes. We didn't pitch a fit or scream for the manager. We just shrugged and said "OK" and left the cart and everything behind. We shop elsewhere now. It's funny to me now, but it was ridiculous and annoying at the time...the person behind us in line about had a fit over it. She was outraged FOR us. I could hear her going off at the cashier as we walked away. I'm thinking, this isn't even your fight. LOL!2 -
@SModa61: I bet it looks better than you thought. I let my silver come in when I turned forty and at this point it looks like my dark hair has glittering strands of tinsel in it. It is not a bad effect.
I never used to wear much makeup, but I put on ALL the eye makeup now when going out because, well, that's all you see over the mask.
I'm in Marion County, myself, and haven't been going out beyond grocery store and the indulgence of picking up tacos last week and eating them in the car for a date. (We drove it to a park, so....) But I have a partner with obesity and COPD, and we've already had a light cold (negative COVID test) that turned into bronchitis for her, so I don't want her to get COVID. I guarantee it would put her in the hospital and probably kill her.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
It's really hard to tell your age with a mask on and I don't blame the clerk for wanting to see your face. If they don't card/at least visually see that you are of age they can lose their liquor license and I think it's pretty terrible of you to refuse to pull down your mask for 1 second so they can follow the law /shrug. If they refused to allow you to wear the mask at all maybe you'd have a good argument or right to be upset but it's pretty selfish of you to refuse to allow them to verify your age (plus even if you gave the the ID to her...with a mask on how exactly would the clerk verify it was you if they can't see your face?).
If you go to the airport TSA makes you lower your mask so they can verify your face/ID match....completely reasonable and acceptable.
Ok, less judgement please. No need jump to call me selfish and pretty terrible.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said she wouldn't even look at my ID. Had she said she wanted to see my face in order to check the ID was mine and asked me to pull down my mask for a moment it might have been a different conversation, I can understand a polite request to march the ID against the face of the person presenting it. However, she was extremely rude and insisted she would not look at my ID card at all and I had to fully take the mask off. I don't see that as her just "following the law".
So she was insisting you remove your mask and then get within arm's length of her to hand her the ID? I would have had to leave to be sure I wouldn't give into the temptation to comply with the mask-removal request and then cough as hard as I could when I handed her the ID.
Do they always card who you're with, even if you're not the one making the purchase?? I honestly didn't know that. I could've sworn I've bought beer before(ok, a long time before granted) when one of my dds was with me and they needed by ID only. Hmmm The smart ones purchasing for underage usually go in alone.
I'm not sure what I would've done in this situation. It would've been very different if dh had gone in alone to purchase the liquor. Personally, I think the clerk was having an off day, maybe they'd encountered way too many unruly unfriendly customers, had family members who are sick; you never know why someone is acting the way they are. Whiskey's not worth the stress. Now if I was trying to buy vodka, it'd be different.
Oh the memories of being an age to be carded. Haven't been asked for about 15 years. The wrinkles gave it away by then.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I think it's a rule you have to have a valid ID to purchase alcohol here at least. Last year my husband went in with me to buy something in the liquor store and they asked him for ID...and all he had was an expired DL. So they asked him to leave. I really doubt that the employees love carding people but I also know from taking a class to get a liquor license it's really easy to lose it and it's not a risk that the owners are willing to take.
Yes, of course, but the poster who was carded wasn't the person buying the alcohol. If I'm in the process of buying something in a liquor store, and a friend who hasn't seen me for a while sees me through the big glass front window most of our local liquor stores have, and comes inside to say hi, does this mean I can't complete my transaction if my friend happens not to have their ID with them? It's just bizarre.
In some states, liquor is sold in stores where you have to be 21 to even be inside. And yes they are required to card you even if you look old.5 -
At our grocery they card everyone buying beer and wine, regardless of apparent age. Selling alcohol in the grocery is new to PA so they are extra careful so they don't lose the right. DH is 81 and they still check his ID.4
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Well NYC is on the verge of going all remote for school. Sad times for my kids.
I'm sorry.
Our county schools have been like that for 2 weeks and will be until after Thanksgiving probably.
Less than half in the community follow the guidelines. Masks were only "suggested" for the county schools anyway. Too little testing and too little compliance has made community spread blow up, and they can no longer effectively contact trace, not that they did a great job of that to begin with.
We homeschool, but they had youth group and co-op classes and soccer. They've had nothing since March. Well, to be fair, the co-op insisted in holding one class, and the church is starting youth group back during the highest point of community spread here so far. So we aren't doing it.
I hope it isn't for too long for your kiddos.
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »At our grocery they card everyone buying beer and wine, regardless of apparent age. Selling alcohol in the grocery is new to PA so they are extra careful so they don't lose the right. DH is 81 and they still check his ID.
It's much the same here. If you're buying beer or wine you have to go to a designated checkout with a cashier who is Smart Serve certified, because that's a requirement to sell alcohol in this province. The store where I shop most often requires the cashier to enter numbers from your DL (probably the last 6 as those are DOB) in order to complete the transaction so everyone has to produce ID.1 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
I understand that liquor purchase laws differ everywhere.
I don't know where @Redordeadhead lives, but my assumption was that s/he would not have reported this experience, if it were typical there, and instead was just the way the ID laws for liquor purchases were enforced everywhere packaged liquor is sold in that jurisdiction.
If it's not a standard thing there, then it seems like it's an unacceptable thing to have happen, in the midst of a pandemic. (Clerks being rude, IMO, is an unacceptable thing everywhere, and I took that report at face value.)
If this is standard practice in that location, to require customers to remove their mask for an ID check regardless of age or when possibly appearing to be below a certain age, then the clerk was not being unreasonable (but may still have been unnecessarily rude).
It seems like a lot of the ensuing discussion has been about whether the clerk's behavior would've been appropriate in other locations that may have other rules . . . which doesn't seem all that relevant, to me.🤷♀️7 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »At our grocery they card everyone buying beer and wine, regardless of apparent age. Selling alcohol in the grocery is new to PA so they are extra careful so they don't lose the right. DH is 81 and they still check his ID.
Here it's if you look over 40 (and since they sell -- and it's definitely not new here -- in grocery stores, as well as convenience stores, liquor stores, etc., they certainly don't card anyone but the buyer, as people obviously bring their kids to the grocery store). However, I've been one of the people responsible for carding people for a church Oktoberfest event in past years (not to go in, but to get a wrist band so you could buy beer or anything else alcoholic), and they were really careful -- probably a different standard for an event vs a retail establishment --and we had to card absolutely anyone, no matter what. So I was in the position of carding people in their 70s and refusing a wrist band if they didn't have ID. Most did, but a few didn't have it onhand, and found that they needed it hilarious. (Happily, it was all good-natured.)3 -
And just like that, NM is back to March and strict stay at home orders...nothing is open expect for essentials starting Monday. Essentials will also be limited to 25% of capacity or 75 persons, whichever is smaller. Everything else is closed starting Monday...restaurants (except for take out and curbside), gyms, salons, non essential retail, golf courses and other recreational facilities, etc...all closed starting Monday.
This is even more strict than the spring in that essentials didn't have the % or 75 persons rule...it was just a % of max capacity. Going to be long lines at Costco and the grocery store if only 75 people can be in at a time.11
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