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paperpudding wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I do have to have some blood work done at some point since I'm four months past due for my thyroid blood draw - I wonder if they're testing everyone's blood who gets a draw.
Without your knowledge or consent??
Very unlikely.
I've had lab samples undergo additional testing that I did not consent to, nor even have knowledge of. I don't think it's at all unlikely that the lab does whatever it wants with the leftovers of your sample, after testing whatever it was sent for. Be thankful if you don't get a bill for it...1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I heard the mayor in Memphis finally signed the order requiring masks. Co-workers talking about it and they are mostly upset... vowing to never go down to Memphis again, then adding that they never really liked or went to Memphis anyway. This reminds me of what I hear when a neighboring state just starts requiring helmets for motorcycles.
Yep, sounds like Tennessee to me any more. Geez... All the mouth-running, complaining, bravado, and bluster. You want to open up, but as soon as you hear you actually have to DO SOMETHING to keep that up, all hades breaks loose. They're being ridiculous, but they have no leaders or role models or PSAs to follow that are towing the line hard enough. I'm seriously disappointed with my folk here.
But is that just a TN thing these days? Or are others like that? My sister lives in Houston, and she's been pretty exasperated with what they've done there. 4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
Not in mine either. EVER.
Apparently the Americans they asked are either super conscientious or are pathological liars. Whichever it's def NOT a representative sample of real folks.2 -
baconslave wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
Not in mine either. EVER.
Apparently the Americans they asked are either super conscientious or are pathological liars. Whichever it's def NOT a representative sample of real folks.
Maybe they did... at least once over the past week?
Here in my neck of the woods it's compulsory, though admittedly, my state is not super large (less than 2% of the total population of the US).
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
how could they possibly know that?
lol - it's MSN, that's an agenda-driven news story.
Back to the "being tested for antibodies..." Paperpudding, in the US blood is used for all kinds of testing without consent.
As far as T1D and his suggestion that more people should be tested - yes. But.
If reinfection and/or asymptomatic infection is possible, what's the point in testing everyone? There's no way to *actually* do comprehensive contact testing. Sure, they could catch some cases which I guess is better than none.
Then if reinfection is possible like they say, again what's the point? we just all need to be as careful as we can while science catches up.4 -
baconslave wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
Not in mine either. EVER.
Apparently the Americans they asked are either super conscientious or are pathological liars. Whichever it's def NOT a representative sample of real folks.
It's a typical poll where people round up their behavior or remember more positively in terms of doing what they think they should than they really did. They used to get those same kind of results with huge numbers of Americans claiming went to church every Sunday when the actual numbers from the churches didn't reflect that.
I think people think "yeah, I mostly wear masks when out and might encounter people and not be able to socially distance" and that becomes "I always wear a mask." Or I wear them when going in stores and that's when it's required, so that becomes "I always wear a mask." Or "I occasionally will wear them" becomes "I usually do" since they think they do when important.
But I don't know, as I see a lot more masks than many others have reported. (Definitely not 89% wearing them outside of stores, though. Inside stores or buildings that require it (which is generally the case in my city, at least the parts I've been in), sure, that's close to 100%.6 -
Very pleasantly surprised with my Walmart excursion this morning. 100% wearing masks and social distancing AND wearing them correctly. It helps they also have huge bolded signs posted that the Mayor has ordered this etc. Anyway much much improved over last week's HEB excursion where I felt trapped at the checkout with 2 kids behind me not wearing masks and the bagger with her mask under her nose. All my groceries already going across the scanner so hard to just walk away. Of course here in Tx the reaction is WAY TO LATE. Perhaps it might have been wiser to do this WHILE we slowly opened up. I had an appointment to get my lashes done tomorrow but I know the gal does NOT take precautions or ask her customers to so I will delay that. (yeah she put a mask on a couple weeks ago when I insisted but I know she wasnt making others do it). So frustrating. It seems like other countries did not have 4 months of this.7
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This is pesky tourist season and normally at 9 pm the streets are filled with them. I bugged the main and it looked like the windswept streets of Laredo. Just a few cars here and there in front of restaurants. The campgrounds are filled to the brim. Motorhomes and campers are flying off the lots. Housing market is going through the roof, nothing left to sell. People are moving here from all over the place.
The old ranches and farms are being turned into celebrity mansions. It saddens me to no end. I am a throwback to the wild, wild west. I know nothing will ever be the same again and the half has not been told.6 -
baconslave wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I heard the mayor in Memphis finally signed the order requiring masks. Co-workers talking about it and they are mostly upset... vowing to never go down to Memphis again, then adding that they never really liked or went to Memphis anyway. This reminds me of what I hear when a neighboring state just starts requiring helmets for motorcycles.
Yep, sounds like Tennessee to me any more. Geez... All the mouth-running, complaining, bravado, and bluster. You want to open up, but as soon as you hear you actually have to DO SOMETHING to keep that up, all hades breaks loose. They're being ridiculous, but they have no leaders or role models or PSAs to follow that are towing the line hard enough. I'm seriously disappointed with my folk here. But is that just a TN thing these days? Or are others like that? My sister lives in Houston, and she's been pretty exasperated with what they've done there.
Yes, frustrating. Such a simple thing can make a huge difference and yet people refuse simply because they don't like it and figure it doesn't hurt them. Some of us are at higher risk if we get infected, though they don't consider that.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
how could they possibly know that?
lol - it's MSN, that's an agenda-driven news story.
Back to the "being tested for antibodies..." Paperpudding, in the US blood is used for all kinds of testing without consent.
As far as T1D and his suggestion that more people should be tested - yes. But.
If reinfection and/or asymptomatic infection is possible, what's the point in testing everyone? There's no way to *actually* do comprehensive contact testing. Sure, they could catch some cases which I guess is better than none.
Then if reinfection is possible like they say, again what's the point? we just all need to be as careful as we can while science catches up.
That's what I'm saying. If someone doesn't know they are infected, they spread it around. If everyone is tested, those same people can stay home and not spread it.
ETA: Nothing to do with contact tracing.3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »...for antibodies...
I doubt it, but would be neat if they did. I'd like to know if I have antibodies.
Just got a note from the Red Cross for a blood donation. They do test for antibodies in my area.
I expect they can sell blood with antibodies for more money covers the antibodies testing fee in the USA.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
how could they possibly know that?
lol - it's MSN, that's an agenda-driven news story.
Back to the "being tested for antibodies..." Paperpudding, in the US blood is used for all kinds of testing without consent.
As far as T1D and his suggestion that more people should be tested - yes. But.
If reinfection and/or asymptomatic infection is possible, what's the point in testing everyone? There's no way to *actually* do comprehensive contact testing. Sure, they could catch some cases which I guess is better than none.
Then if reinfection is possible like they say, again what's the point? we just all need to be as careful as we can while science catches up.
That's what I'm saying. If someone doesn't know they are infected, they spread it around. If everyone is tested, those same people can stay home and not spread it.
ETA: Nothing to do with contact tracing.
I'm not making my point very well.
I don't think there will be 100% Required Testing. There aren't enough resources, the testing is too ambivalent, and people (like me) won't go for it.
So.
If someone does test positive, they and everyone who is in their household quarantine for 14 days.
Not everyone in the house will get the virus - or they won't all test positive. Then in 15 days they go out. One of them gets it at the gas station. They don't go get tested because they're asymptomatic and/or they just came out of quarantine and maybe aren't willing to do that again. Unless they DO get tested right then, on Day 15 because they magically "know" they've caught it, they're spreading it.
So, are you suggesting that every person get tested every two weeks?
And what about all those who had it in, say, March and April? We don't know whether they can or cannot get it again.
So every person in every country will need a weekly or bi-weekly test. That's never going to happen.
We are going to have to live with the flawed system we have.
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autumnblade75 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I do have to have some blood work done at some point since I'm four months past due for my thyroid blood draw - I wonder if they're testing everyone's blood who gets a draw.
Without your knowledge or consent??
Very unlikely.
I've had lab samples undergo additional testing that I did not consent to, nor even have knowledge of. I don't think it's at all unlikely that the lab does whatever it wants with the leftovers of your sample, after testing whatever it was sent for. Be thankful if you don't get a bill for it...
well, bill paying doesnt come into it for me because blood tests are no cost to patient here.
Sometimes a doctor adds a test to the form after it has been signed by the patient and gone to the lab - I work in a medical centre and sometimes the lab will ring and say xyz test showed really high/low levels of this, would Dr want us to go on and test for abc relevant addition
But not just randomly added things done by the lab without approval.
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cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
how could they possibly know that?
lol - it's MSN, that's an agenda-driven news story.
Back to the "being tested for antibodies..." Paperpudding, in the US blood is used for all kinds of testing without consent.
As far as T1D and his suggestion that more people should be tested - yes. But.
If reinfection and/or asymptomatic infection is possible, what's the point in testing everyone? There's no way to *actually* do comprehensive contact testing. Sure, they could catch some cases which I guess is better than none.
Then if reinfection is possible like they say, again what's the point? we just all need to be as careful as we can while science catches up.
That's what I'm saying. If someone doesn't know they are infected, they spread it around. If everyone is tested, those same people can stay home and not spread it.
ETA: Nothing to do with contact tracing.
I'm not making my point very well.
I don't think there will be 100% Required Testing. There aren't enough resources, the testing is too ambivalent, and people (like me) won't go for it.
So.
If someone does test positive, they and everyone who is in their household quarantine for 14 days.
Not everyone in the house will get the virus - or they won't all test positive. Then in 15 days they go out. One of them gets it at the gas station. They don't go get tested because they're asymptomatic and/or they just came out of quarantine and maybe aren't willing to do that again. Unless they DO get tested right then, on Day 15 because they magically "know" they've caught it, they're spreading it.
So, are you suggesting that every person get tested every two weeks?
And what about all those who had it in, say, March and April? We don't know whether they can or cannot get it again.
So every person in every country will need a weekly or bi-weekly test. That's never going to happen.
We are going to have to live with the flawed system we have.
Everyone would need a test every 2-4 weeks. If a positive result, self-quarantine until testing negative... even if no symptoms. If symptoms, you self-quarantine anyway. This decreases asymptomatic spread.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
how could they possibly know that?
lol - it's MSN, that's an agenda-driven news story.
Back to the "being tested for antibodies..." Paperpudding, in the US blood is used for all kinds of testing without consent.
As far as T1D and his suggestion that more people should be tested - yes. But.
If reinfection and/or asymptomatic infection is possible, what's the point in testing everyone? There's no way to *actually* do comprehensive contact testing. Sure, they could catch some cases which I guess is better than none.
Then if reinfection is possible like they say, again what's the point? we just all need to be as careful as we can while science catches up.
That's what I'm saying. If someone doesn't know they are infected, they spread it around. If everyone is tested, those same people can stay home and not spread it.
ETA: Nothing to do with contact tracing.
I'm not making my point very well.
I don't think there will be 100% Required Testing. There aren't enough resources, the testing is too ambivalent, and people (like me) won't go for it.
So.
If someone does test positive, they and everyone who is in their household quarantine for 14 days.
Not everyone in the house will get the virus - or they won't all test positive. Then in 15 days they go out. One of them gets it at the gas station. They don't go get tested because they're asymptomatic and/or they just came out of quarantine and maybe aren't willing to do that again. Unless they DO get tested right then, on Day 15 because they magically "know" they've caught it, they're spreading it.
So, are you suggesting that every person get tested every two weeks?
And what about all those who had it in, say, March and April? We don't know whether they can or cannot get it again.
So every person in every country will need a weekly or bi-weekly test. That's never going to happen.
We are going to have to live with the flawed system we have.
Everyone would need a test every 2-4 weeks. If a positive result, self-quarantine until testing negative... even if no symptoms. If symptoms, you self-quarantine anyway. This decreases asymptomatic spread.
Well, yeah. Who's gonna pay for this? How many health care workers would you need to train to test the entire population twice a month PLUS run those labs.
Not feasible.8 -
paperpudding wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I do have to have some blood work done at some point since I'm four months past due for my thyroid blood draw - I wonder if they're testing everyone's blood who gets a draw.
Without your knowledge or consent??
Very unlikely.
I've had lab samples undergo additional testing that I did not consent to, nor even have knowledge of. I don't think it's at all unlikely that the lab does whatever it wants with the leftovers of your sample, after testing whatever it was sent for. Be thankful if you don't get a bill for it...
well, bill paying doesnt come into it for me because blood tests are no cost to patient here.
Sometimes a doctor adds a test to the form after it has been signed by the patient and gone to the lab - I work in a medical centre and sometimes the lab will ring and say xyz test showed really high/low levels of this, would Dr want us to go on and test for abc relevant addition
But not just randomly added things done by the lab without approval.
What country are you in?2 -
I regularly visit two groceries, one near my house, one farther away but with better prices. The close one doesn't require masks any longer, the other still does. AFAIK, they are still required by the Governor's orders. We went out to dinner for the first time in 3 months yesterday. The diners were well spread out and all the waiters wore masks. Only two couples (including us) wore them as we entered the restaurant. Both couples were older, which probably made us more careful. We went to a furniture store today. We wore masks. None of the few other customers wore a mask and we heard one of the salesmen say that they didn't require that customers wear them. OTOH, the small hardware store we stopped at had a sign saying, "No mask, no service." So it really varies. The fact that our county has had a decline in cases and no deaths in about a week may be making people less cautious.3
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cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »This article says 89% of the US population has worn a mask when leaving home in the last week.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/89percent-of-americans-wear-masks-in-public-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-persists-poll/ar-BB15YDVk?ocid=ientp
Not in my 'hood.
how could they possibly know that?
lol - it's MSN, that's an agenda-driven news story.
Back to the "being tested for antibodies..." Paperpudding, in the US blood is used for all kinds of testing without consent.
As far as T1D and his suggestion that more people should be tested - yes. But.
If reinfection and/or asymptomatic infection is possible, what's the point in testing everyone? There's no way to *actually* do comprehensive contact testing. Sure, they could catch some cases which I guess is better than none.
Then if reinfection is possible like they say, again what's the point? we just all need to be as careful as we can while science catches up.
That's what I'm saying. If someone doesn't know they are infected, they spread it around. If everyone is tested, those same people can stay home and not spread it.
ETA: Nothing to do with contact tracing.
I'm not making my point very well.
I don't think there will be 100% Required Testing. There aren't enough resources, the testing is too ambivalent, and people (like me) won't go for it.
So.
If someone does test positive, they and everyone who is in their household quarantine for 14 days.
Not everyone in the house will get the virus - or they won't all test positive. Then in 15 days they go out. One of them gets it at the gas station. They don't go get tested because they're asymptomatic and/or they just came out of quarantine and maybe aren't willing to do that again. Unless they DO get tested right then, on Day 15 because they magically "know" they've caught it, they're spreading it.
So, are you suggesting that every person get tested every two weeks?
And what about all those who had it in, say, March and April? We don't know whether they can or cannot get it again.
So every person in every country will need a weekly or bi-weekly test. That's never going to happen.
We are going to have to live with the flawed system we have.
Everyone would need a test every 2-4 weeks. If a positive result, self-quarantine until testing negative... even if no symptoms. If symptoms, you self-quarantine anyway. This decreases asymptomatic spread.
Well, yeah. Who's gonna pay for this? How many health care workers would you need to train to test the entire population twice a month PLUS run those labs.
Not feasible.
There are many ways to pay for it, though the answers become political at that point.
Training to collect sample is the easy part. Running the labs is more difficult. Alternatively, could develop / set up a test where people take it themselves and drop off. Development of better testing methods would help further. For example, maybe people can be sent a 3 month supply of tubes with lids to spit into (if a spit test can be developed) and then drop them off or ship via overnight delivery.
Either way, since half of cases are coming from people who don't even know they are spreading it, there is a huge opportunity. I'm not saying all of those cases would be eliminated, but a robust system could reduce that transmission substantially. Even if you cut that in half (50% of 50%), that cuts by 25%. With around 30K new cases daily, that would be around 7.5K fewer cases.
We should absolutely still do better at wearing masks, social distancing, not gathering unless needed, and washing our hands like our lives depend on it, and self-quarantine if symptomatic. This is an additional way to prevent spread without symptoms now that we know this is such a huge problem.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I do have to have some blood work done at some point since I'm four months past due for my thyroid blood draw - I wonder if they're testing everyone's blood who gets a draw.
Without your knowledge or consent??
Very unlikely.
I've had lab samples undergo additional testing that I did not consent to, nor even have knowledge of. I don't think it's at all unlikely that the lab does whatever it wants with the leftovers of your sample, after testing whatever it was sent for. Be thankful if you don't get a bill for it...
well, bill paying doesnt come into it for me because blood tests are no cost to patient here.
Sometimes a doctor adds a test to the form after it has been signed by the patient and gone to the lab - I work in a medical centre and sometimes the lab will ring and say xyz test showed really high/low levels of this, would Dr want us to go on and test for abc relevant addition
But not just randomly added things done by the lab without approval.
What country are you in?
Australia.
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Keep in mind the R0 must be below 1.0 for long enough for the virus to die out.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/26/which-part-of-the-u-s-leads-the-country-in-mask-wearing/
Not only do I live in TN, but I live in an area with lower mask use than average even in this state (I believe) because cities have a higher rate... notice where we are on the graph.
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