Coronavirus prep
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rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »Italy in bad shape. Over 600 dead and over 10k active cases. Hospitals stopped all operations / procedures and overflowing caring for covid patients. Bad scene! We need to be vigilant and people need to stop poo pooing claiming it's just no worse than a regular flu blah blah it is killing people globally.
The regular flu kills people globally
We have the regular flu every year in Italy--it's not on this scale.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
This was 2019/2020. Almost 3 Million cases reported by Jan 19 and half a million additional in just one week. At the time of the report deaths were approaching 300. I'm not downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 but the only difference in scale (the flu was worse) is mostly in the response to the outbreak.
With this kind of logic don't you think it's strange that the country didn't go into quarantine in January? The Northern part of Italy is now begging the government to shut down public transportation and all shops and stores that are non-essential. I've seen doctors and nurses crying on TV and begging people to stay home and follow government guidelines. If you feel better believing that this is just a flu then good for you.
For people that want to slow the progression of the virus: no non-essential travel (yes, cancel those vacations), stay away from crowded places, if you go out, wash your hands as soon as you enter your home, keep a distance when meeting and greeting people, avoid touching people, be sensible, do what you need to and look around and see if you can help elderly or infirm by shopping for them and keeping in touch by phone so they don't feel abandoned.
This will pass, but please don't tell people that it's "just the flu" and go about business as usual. I've seen what happens when you do that. Stay safe people.
It's not "just the flu," however I am concerned the responses are promoting panic over preparedness.
In the US this so far this flu season:- 34 million illnesses
- 350,000 hospitalizations
- 20,000 deaths
Realistically, we should (all) exercise more caution during flu season. And if this is how we get there, I am happy for the increased awareness of how easily viruses can be passed. However, where we should be promoting calm and rationality, as well as respect for our more vulnerable citizens, I instead see panic. Such as the doctors and nurses crying on TV mentioned above. How does health officials panic-sobbing help keep citizens calm and following procedures meant to help keep everyone safe? It seems akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater instead of asking folks to get up and quickly proceed to the nearest exit.
I feel like you don’t get what’s happening in Italy right now. Doctors are having to decide who lives and who to just let die because there isn’t enough equipment to go around. One specific example I was given - two otherwise healthy 40 year olds need to be on a respirator, only one respirator, so since one of the 40 year olds has two kids, he gets to keep breathing and the other guy doesn’t. Crying about having to watch people in your care die without helping them is not “panic sobbing,” it’s called grief.
Is that a real example? Because if they're deciding between two healthy 40-year-olds, that suggests they've already given up on caring for most of the folks who are 50+.5 -
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cwolfman13 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »This is a good article that hits all the high points...no pun intended, but it also explains the Flattening of the Curve and why it's important and why things are being done the way they are (with closings and travel bans etc.)
Herd Immunity is a BIG deal...and that's what we have with the seasonal flu, plus we have widespread vaccine use for the seasonal flu. Yes, a lot of people die of the regular flu, but they don't all present at hospitals in a one-month period of time, and they do present at a fairly predictable rate and it's not half the population needing medical help all at the same time.
I haven't gotten any flu in decades, but I do get a flu shot every year. I am careful and I am healthy but I have herd immunity to partially thank for that.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/6/21161234/coronavirus-covid-19-science-outbreak-ends-endemic-vaccine
Specifically about flattening the curve:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
Is there any idea of what that time frame looks like in the graph? All I see right now is that things are getting cancelled and postponed indefinitely into the future. If there was a known effective time frame (it look like there is, but the chart isn't marked), then that would ease some concerns. I, for one, would be unhappy if everything is getting cancelled for the "this year and next."
That graph is from the CDC.
The first article specifically delves into, "How Does This End?" - https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/6/21161234/coronavirus-covid-19-science-outbreak-ends-endemic-vaccine
Since this is a New Approach (social distancing/mass closings) we've not tried before with novel viruses, I think your guess is as good as mine.
Sounds like it really isn't known or predicted. I'm not suggesting an end to the virus. In fact, I can see that it becomes a thing that goes around indefinitely like the common cold. I am hoping there is a timeline soon about how long everything gets canceled before the "Flattening of the Curve" is complete and we can start going on with our normal lives again. I'm not concerned about the virus, but I am concerned about the results from panic and uncertainty of indefinite postponement and impending cancellation of events.
Social distancing measure are reducing numbers in China and South Korea...In the US, these measures have started to be put in place way before the numbers reached the level they were in China and Italy (South Korea has had the best response).
It will likely be a thing that goes around like the flu or the cold...but it will also be something for which we will build up herd immunity and vaccinations will ultimately be a thing which will make it more manageable going forward as the speed at which it spreads will slow, allowing the health care system to be able to keep up with it.
We have no way of knowing what the numbers are in the U.S. because only 4,000 or 5,000 people in the whole country have been tested.7 -
I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.3 -
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ This! ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ This, right here is what pisses me the eff off.
Sent to me on my phone a few hours ago from an employee who was concerned. We had another “situation” today that put the fear of God into many at our hospital. Another called me at home, and I asked if she’d seen this. She had, which means most of my team has. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I did my due diligence in searching this on the interwebs and FB, where this originated. 🤬🤬🤬
First of all, while the originator gets props for their Photoshop skills, the actual content? 🤦🏼♀️ OMG!
Not one positive patient’s name in this state has been released to the public. Not one. This would be a HIIPA violation of epic proportions.
Secondly, there are no date references in this “article,” nor are their any sources.
Thirdly? If y’all can see it, the piece is poorly written, with typos throughout.
Fourth? I could find NOTHING about anyone on the east coast going to Seattle to “help” with the nursing home outbreak.
I saw two photos when I searched this on FB, and both had an ungodly amount of shares in our community. The hospital referenced is where I work. There were no other references to this, under anything but “photos.” I explained this to the employee who sent it to me. She was relieved. I also shared my findings with my other one who called me.
Why don’t people do their own research? I’m assuming that not everyone knows that they can (and should) do this.
*kitten* like this is NOT helpful. Not even a bit.
Also, the hubbage went to the local Wally World to pick up a few sundries and some Puffs Plus with Vics, as we are in the throes of pollen season. Gone. Zilch, zip, nada. No other Kleenex-type tissues available. No TP, either, and I hope that the nose rag hoarders wipe with our preferred brand of Puffs. 😂🤣
Y’all stay safe out there, wash your hands and be well.5 -
I also wanted to say that to anyone who still believes this is no worse than the flu, please watch some of the videos coming out of Italy. My husband is from Italy and has family there, so we've been watching what's happening there pretty closely. It sounds pretty scary for the areas hit the hardest. Authorities are pretty much begging people to stay home, and warning people in other countries of what can happen if people don't take precautions.11
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lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
I wonder if it's still too early too see this type of fallout.4 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Depends on how long it's been circulating through the general population, as opposed to just people who caught it when they were traveling internationally. The incubation period is up to 14 days, and it wouldn't be 20% of "large numbers" at first. It's like rabbits breeding. A few infected people, each infecting a few or dozens more, depending on how much time they spend with other people, until they actually become symptomatic, and hopefully self-quarantine (or end up in the hospital). Then each of the newly infected also infecting a few or dozens more, until they in turn become symptomatic. And some people (possibly including the vast majority of exposed children) never become symptomatic, but may still be able to infect people for weeks.
It is highly likely that for however many people who are currently sick enough to seek treatment, there are many, many additional people already infected who aren't yet symptomatic. And those people are infecting the next generation of several times more people.7 -
@Chef_Barbell I think you hit the nail on the head.
Look at New coronavirus cases per day in the US - see how it increases with time
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-numbers-new-cases-2020-n11572713 -
I had to cancel two bucket list trips today. Hello stress eating (like 2,000 calories of stress eating). Anyone else stress eating? I’d been doing so well. 🤬
I’m higher risk because I have asthma and cancer, so I’m pretty much housebound for the duration. As of Monday, my store was stocked - not sure what will be there tomorrow. I’m fairly stocked except for fresh produce, but fortunately I have access to home delivery.
I’d really love to know when the bulk of this crisis will be over. I’m on borrowed time here. I haven’t seen any estimates. Maybe June?23 -
Well. Again, I don't have TV, but I've looked at the local news online for the Seattle area.
Between 400-500 cases confirmed in WA. 31 deaths reported. About 5,000 total tests done. Schools closed (all of them) until April 24.
I have to go to the store tomorrow, other than that I haven't been within six feet of another human in over a week. I don't need any TP, but you better believe I'm buying some if they have any. And paper towels.
I'm still not exactly panicked, but maybe very concerned...
So, @juliemouse83 - am I understanding you that the whole post on your phone is a hoax?2 -
Some places here are low on TP, but mainly we just seem to have absolutely no hand sanitizer.
We have 32 confirmed cases in the state (but really they are just about all in my metro area), but that number is meaningless as there's such a shortage of tests so most who could be infected aren't able to be tested.
We are up to 7 now, mostly in the Madison area but there is one confirmed in my county.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Depends on how long it's been circulating through the general population, as opposed to just people who caught it when they were traveling internationally. The incubation period is up to 14 days, and it wouldn't be 20% of "large numbers" at first. It's like rabbits breeding. A few infected people, each infecting a few or dozens more, depending on how much time they spend with other people, until they actually become symptomatic, and hopefully self-quarantine (or end up in the hospital). Then each of the newly infected also infecting a few or dozens more, until they in turn become symptomatic. And some people (possibly including the vast majority of exposed children) never become symptomatic, but may still be able to infect people for weeks.
It is highly likely that for however many people who are currently sick enough to seek treatment, there are many, many additional people already infected who aren't yet symptomatic. And those people are infecting the next generation of several times more people.
But those people who are not symptomatic would not be seeking testing, would they? I'm talking about large numbers of people sick that we don't know about because there's a shortage of tests (as mentioned above). I'm sure there are infected people who haven't shown symptoms yet, but that's a different point.
ETA: Maybe I misunderstood, and you were saying that not many people have been tested because they're asymptomatic still. If that's the case, and I suspect it is, then in the next 4-5 days we should see a big increase of positive cases. But if the point was that it's due to a lack of testing kits in the US, then that would mean actual symptomatic patients not able to be tested, and I would think we'd start hearing about critical respiratory patients who are flu negative.
Edited again to add that (I'm thinking about this waaaay too much!) I'm probably wrong, since as someone else pointed out, it's probably too early to see the "fallout" of many critical cases, since people can be sick for up to 2-3 weeks. Okay, enough of me here
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@cmriverside , yes. We have ZERO confirmed COVID-19 cases at our facility. I don’t know what tomorrow will bring, as this is so fluid, but at last check? Nothing.
The first instance of this photo was this morning. It was shared more than twenty times by 7 pm EST. We aren’t a large community.4 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »@cmriverside , yes. We have ZERO confirmed COVID-19 cases at our facility. I don’t know what tomorrow will bring, as this is so fluid, but at last check? Nothing.
The first instance of this photo was this morning. It was shared more than twenty times by 7 pm EST. We aren’t a large community.
Ugh.
People are terribad.
Like I said earlier, social distancing is a way of life.3 -
cmriverside wrote: »juliemouse83 wrote: »@cmriverside , yes. We have ZERO confirmed COVID-19 cases at our facility. I don’t know what tomorrow will bring, as this is so fluid, but at last check? Nothing.
The first instance of this photo was this morning. It was shared more than twenty times by 7 pm EST. We aren’t a large community.
Ugh.
People are terribad.
Like I said earlier, social distancing is a way of life.
Apparently some folks think it would be fun to create a panicked effort for everyone in New York City to try to get off the island all at once. I saw a story on the Washington Post site about NYC officials, including the mayor, pleading with people to stop spreading rumors on social media that the city is shutting down all the bridges and tunnels.
Yeah. Some people are horrific.5 -
I just had a play that I was supposed to go to get cancelled. The Chicago Symphony hasn't cancelled yet, but I suspect that will be next.
Yup, CSO has now cancelled everything for a month.
We haven't cancelled schools yet (but for colleges going to remote learning and/or extending spring break) and one that had a confirmed diagnosis. I wouldn't be surprised if that is next. A few of my co-workers are certain they will cancel public transit soon, although it hasn't seemed less used so far.0 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Where is your state getting these tests? Because my state has been trying to test but lacks the ability to do so. I am skeptical that anyone in the US has enough tests to test everyone who should be tested.
Most cases are NBD, but they represent infection vectors and the fear is ending up in the position Italy is, or worse.3 -
Here is an interesting article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-testing-20200312-7tx3n6kisfa6pad5plxbkivxty-story.html
"A day after President Donald Trump assured Americans that testing for the coronavirus is “expanding rapidly, day by day,” administration officials admitted Thursday that testing in the United States is lagging badly behind other nations, and they could not say when it will improve.
For Illinois, that means health officials will continue to test only the most seriously ill, or those who have come into contact with those diagnosed with the sometimes fatal disease.
“Here’s what’s happening. We’re not getting enough tests. We’re not getting enough test kits,” Gov. J.B. Pritzker said Wednesday, hours before Trump’s televised address to the nation.
State health officials say they follow a “guidance” to prioritize testing.
“Guidance for testing is specific but allows for some interpretation,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, said while standing alongside Pritzker at a news conference.
The problem is that, in Chicago, there are at least two cases of “community” infection, meaning they have tested positive for coronavirus without having visited an area or having known contact with a patient.
At some point in the last 10 days — officials haven’t been able to say when — public health workers adjusted its criteria for testing so that travel or contact with a known patient aren’t the only criteria. If someone is “critically” ill but flu or pneumonia has been ruled out, that person will also be tested, Ezike said.
“If someone presents to a health care facility and they are really sick, they get hospitalized, they’ve tested for flu, it wasn’t flu," she explained. "They’ve tested for many other bacterias, viruses, fungi and cannot find an etiology, that would also be a criteria to say, 'Look, we can’t find etiology for this illness, they’re critically ill, this also qualifies to be a person under investigation, so that sample would also qualify to be sent to the public health lab.”
Tests are not being administered for now to people with flu-like symptoms but who do not have the flu or pneumonia and aren’t critically ill, people with mild symptoms or younger people with healthier immune systems....
The number of people across the United States who have been tested is believed to be under 10,000. By contrast, South Korea has tested more than 210,000 people and is testing nearly 20,000 people every day, while in the United Kingdom, more than 29,700 people have been tested, and more than 1,000 tests are being carried out per day....
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the federal government’s top infectious disease scientist, called the testing situation a “failing” at a congressional hearing on Thursday.
“The idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other countries are doing it — we’re not set up for that,” he said. “Do I think we should be? Yes. But we’re not."7 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Where is your state getting these tests? Because my state has been trying to test but lacks the ability to do so. I am skeptical that anyone in the US has enough tests to test everyone who should be tested.
Most cases are NBD, but they represent infection vectors and the fear is ending up in the position Italy is, or worse.
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/12/north-carolina-works-around-federal-government-find-other-methods-testing-coronavirus/
also from the link below: "North Carolina officials have complained of shortages for more than a week, and Gov. Roy Cooper said Thursday that the state never received materials promised by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "so we have begun working other avenues."
"We are doing everything we possibly can to make sure everyone who should get a test gets tested," Cooper said.
Cohen said the state lab has capacity to test about 700 people, but more partners have come online, including Atrium Health, Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. LabCorp, a private testing lab based in Burlington, said Thursday that it can do several thousand tests a day, nationally, and that its adding new equipment and staff.
Turnaround time is typically three to four days, a company spokeswoman said."
https://www.wral.com/nc-widens-coronavirus-testing-criteria/19009212/4 -
cmriverside wrote: »juliemouse83 wrote: »@cmriverside , yes. We have ZERO confirmed COVID-19 cases at our facility. I don’t know what tomorrow will bring, as this is so fluid, but at last check? Nothing.
The first instance of this photo was this morning. It was shared more than twenty times by 7 pm EST. We aren’t a large community.
Ugh.
People are terribad.
Like I said earlier, social distancing is a way of life.
I agree 100%! I think this is one of the best ways to get ahead of it.
Working at the hospital, telecommuting isn’t really going to be an option for me or many like me, but if other career paths can do that? I’m all for it!
Staying home, when you can, I believe, is going to help loads!7 -
I heard on the local radio on the way home that Live Nation is rescheduling concerts for the next month or so. I am wholeheartedly behind this.3
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lightenup2016 wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Where is your state getting these tests? Because my state has been trying to test but lacks the ability to do so. I am skeptical that anyone in the US has enough tests to test everyone who should be tested.
Most cases are NBD, but they represent infection vectors and the fear is ending up in the position Italy is, or worse.
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/12/north-carolina-works-around-federal-government-find-other-methods-testing-coronavirus/
The article says they don't have enough of the extractor agent and they're "looking" for other sources. It also says there's a lab that has developed another way of testing that doesn't require that extractor agent, but that lab is "stretched thin" as well.
TL;DR: the actual news story doesn't support the headline in the URL.0 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Where is your state getting these tests? Because my state has been trying to test but lacks the ability to do so. I am skeptical that anyone in the US has enough tests to test everyone who should be tested.
Most cases are NBD, but they represent infection vectors and the fear is ending up in the position Italy is, or worse.
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/12/north-carolina-works-around-federal-government-find-other-methods-testing-coronavirus/
Looks like they are trying, but nothing confirmed yet.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Where is your state getting these tests? Because my state has been trying to test but lacks the ability to do so. I am skeptical that anyone in the US has enough tests to test everyone who should be tested.
Most cases are NBD, but they represent infection vectors and the fear is ending up in the position Italy is, or worse.
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/12/north-carolina-works-around-federal-government-find-other-methods-testing-coronavirus/
The article says they don't have enough of the extractor agent and they're "looking" for other sources. It also says there's a lab that has developed another way of testing that doesn't require that extractor agent, but that lab is "stretched thin" as well.
TL;DR: the actual news story doesn't support the headline in the URL.
I saw that too, and I edited my above post to include another headline. It says Labcorp can do several thousand tests a day. I dunno...
https://www.wral.com/nc-widens-coronavirus-testing-criteria/19009212/0 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
Tip of the iceberg at this time. But KS had it's first death...from a previously undiagnosed patient. And this is with a very low number of known cases.
https://www.wibw.com/content/news/Wyandotte-County-man-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-state-emergency-declared-568755811.html2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »juliemouse83 wrote: »@cmriverside , yes. We have ZERO confirmed COVID-19 cases at our facility. I don’t know what tomorrow will bring, as this is so fluid, but at last check? Nothing.
The first instance of this photo was this morning. It was shared more than twenty times by 7 pm EST. We aren’t a large community.
Ugh.
People are terribad.
Like I said earlier, social distancing is a way of life.
Apparently some folks think it would be fun to create a panicked effort for everyone in New York City to try to get off the island all at once. I saw a story on the Washington Post site about NYC officials, including the mayor, pleading with people to stop spreading rumors on social media that the city is shutting down all the bridges and tunnels.
Yeah. Some people are horrific.
This, too, is an example of contagion: Memetic contagion.
Some nefarious person(s) - troll(s) - create the idea and its "evidence" (however lame). People who are are susceptible spread it, possibly exponentially, potentially generating a memetic epidemic analogous to a physical one. (Witness the COVID-infected toilet paper nonsense earlier: Created by a somewhat mysterious fake news site that - according to Snopes - doesn't even take the step of branding itself a "satire" site in its fine print, then spread by gullible people who fall for it and repost without fact-checking.) Should people fact check? Sure. Do the people doing the spreading all have the wherewithal to realize and do that? Hmm. Sometimes.
This kind of idiocy has been happening since before social media, but social media supercharges it.
The creators are horrific. Those who spread it are mostly just vulnerable to the creators' chicanery, and manipulated.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »Italy in bad shape. Over 600 dead and over 10k active cases. Hospitals stopped all operations / procedures and overflowing caring for covid patients. Bad scene! We need to be vigilant and people need to stop poo pooing claiming it's just no worse than a regular flu blah blah it is killing people globally.
The regular flu kills people globally
We have the regular flu every year in Italy--it's not on this scale.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
This was 2019/2020. Almost 3 Million cases reported by Jan 19 and half a million additional in just one week. At the time of the report deaths were approaching 300. I'm not downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 but the only difference in scale (the flu was worse) is mostly in the response to the outbreak.
With this kind of logic don't you think it's strange that the country didn't go into quarantine in January? The Northern part of Italy is now begging the government to shut down public transportation and all shops and stores that are non-essential. I've seen doctors and nurses crying on TV and begging people to stay home and follow government guidelines. If you feel better believing that this is just a flu then good for you.
For people that want to slow the progression of the virus: no non-essential travel (yes, cancel those vacations), stay away from crowded places, if you go out, wash your hands as soon as you enter your home, keep a distance when meeting and greeting people, avoid touching people, be sensible, do what you need to and look around and see if you can help elderly or infirm by shopping for them and keeping in touch by phone so they don't feel abandoned.
This will pass, but please don't tell people that it's "just the flu" and go about business as usual. I've seen what happens when you do that. Stay safe people.
It's not "just the flu," however I am concerned the responses are promoting panic over preparedness.
In the US this so far this flu season:- 34 million illnesses
- 350,000 hospitalizations
- 20,000 deaths
Realistically, we should (all) exercise more caution during flu season. And if this is how we get there, I am happy for the increased awareness of how easily viruses can be passed. However, where we should be promoting calm and rationality, as well as respect for our more vulnerable citizens, I instead see panic. Such as the doctors and nurses crying on TV mentioned above. How does health officials panic-sobbing help keep citizens calm and following procedures meant to help keep everyone safe? It seems akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater instead of asking folks to get up and quickly proceed to the nearest exit.
I feel like you don’t get what’s happening in Italy right now. Doctors are having to decide who lives and who to just let die because there isn’t enough equipment to go around. One specific example I was given - two otherwise healthy 40 year olds need to be on a respirator, only one respirator, so since one of the 40 year olds has two kids, he gets to keep breathing and the other guy doesn’t. Crying about having to watch people in your care die without helping them is not “panic sobbing,” it’s called grief.
Is that a real example? Because if they're deciding between two healthy 40-year-olds, that suggests they've already given up on caring for most of the folks who are 50+.
That was in an opinion piece written with the clear intent to trigger emotions rather than share facts. Just that the healthcare worker even knows enough about the patients to be aware of the number of kids each patient has is an indication that they are not very busy.
ETA: Here it is: https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-14917971 -
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The picture to figure out who more look at the spot the picture was taken is it a glass window with them at a weird angle hiding? A patient sitting up partially in a bed 🛏? Or A staff member concealing their phone or camera in the room which I doubt unless hazmat suits have pockets...
I’m thinking the 1st 2 are plausible.Reminds me of a scenario in the old detective books back in the day! Hope you find them it’s not a nice thing for them to do.
Starting to see sold out in store y online on my Walmart app for certain stuff in my area. Hubby hoping to get his Mom diabetic supplies in the morning she decided to stay near her grandkids after all instead of her ailing sisters in Mexico. Hoping it was a wise decision.
Goodnight everyone.Fighting for stuff in my town to watching this stuff spreads got me feeling tired (exhaustion) . Asked hubby to look for the homeless woman who sleeps on the benches near our home (safer spot for her less chance of you know). She’s Schozophrenic like my Mom was (Mom passed had retardation,Schizophrenic,y Cancer so I connected to this woman she’s so kind). We usually give her some health bars to money for a warm meal. I don’t want to forget about those who are vulnerable since I’ve been there before. Hubby said he has a $20 bill with her name on it will take some food for her. She’s so young doesn’t drink or drug or anything bad...just went down on her luck then stopped taking her meds after. Told hubby if she’s sick to get an ambulance for her the ones here try to watch out for her.
Just do your best guys don’t loose hope .Remember to find a silver lining where you can to laugh if stressed. Keep your family close. I raised 9 kids (2 biological ) some have kids now of their own to spouses. Keep track of those closest lift them up. Hubby raised 4-5 besides ours so same boat as me.
I might be old but one thing I’ve learned is how you treat others especially your closest fondest family members is what matters at the end of the day. Try to take a breath if you feel stressed stick together. Will ride this out even if it lets up in April comes back next winter or is year round for awhile.6 -
I'm from Ohio with five at risk siblings, four at home in Ohio. The Ohio Sec of Health today (GOP appointed for conspiracy theorist sake) estimated 100K cases in Ohio right now floating around. They must be seeing a dramatic uptick in hospital cases to come out to the public with that statement. The inundation I've been fearing has already begun.5
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