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  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    OM*KITTEN*G

    https://www.gq.co.za/culture/you-need-to-start-oxygenating-during-the-coronavirus-scare-44797092
  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    edited March 2020
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    Our head immunologists are saying that a drug used in treating reumatoide arthritis is helpful in treating COV19. It can get people off the respirator and into regular care. The drug is manufactured by Rouche here in Italy, they will give it for free (if I'm understanding this right), sorry, but this is fresh news. China is working closely with us and this is what they started using. I will keep you posted if there is any other news on this front.

    Great information. The drug (Actemra) you're alluding to is an Interleukin 6 inhibitor. There are natural ones as well -- most of them are Polyphenols. I'm LOADED up on Polyphenols. But this article, while this guy is controversial, gives a nice list of more natural IL-6 inhibitors.

    It wouldn't hurt to have some Polyphenols on hand. Amla is a very powerful one. The article lists many more. Personally, I also think AHCC (a special mushroom supplement) and Monolaurin (both coconut derivatives shown to restrict virus growth) would help too.

    https://selfhack.com/blog/interleukin-6/

    Here's related to the Actemra find. I don't understand enough about the basic science to know why this would help. From what little I know about IL-6 inhibitors, they lower part of your immunity, which, at first glance, seems counterintuitive. But I'm not a scientist. I'm guessing that, at a point, the progression in the lungs acts like an Autoimmune disease, with your body's own defenses making things worse.

    http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/china_backs_use_of_roches_actemra_for_coronavirus_1328014
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,454 Member
    mph323 wrote: »
    OM*KITTEN*G

    https://www.gq.co.za/culture/you-need-to-start-oxygenating-during-the-coronavirus-scare-44797092

    :lol:

    I thought it was going to be a tongue in cheek article telling us not to forget to breathe.





    too soon?
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    DecadeDuchess wrote: »
    lgfrie wrote: »
    pinuplove wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    @earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:

    https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html

    That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.

    I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. :D I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. ;)
    Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)

    Bidet > Charmin Ultrasoft Mega > Other consumer TP > commercial TP which is all that's now available in stores near me > newspaper > moss (early medieval) > corncob > left hand

    Charmin, means that dryer lint's also an option!

    *Frantically starts washing towels*
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    cmriverside wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    OM*KITTEN*G

    https://www.gq.co.za/culture/you-need-to-start-oxygenating-during-the-coronavirus-scare-44797092

    :lol:

    I thought it was going to be a tongue in cheek article telling us not to forget to breathe.





    too soon?

    Yeah, that's why I clicked on it. I thought "calming breaths shown to reduce cortisol" or something. I'm all in favor of calming breaths.
  • joey32411
    joey32411 Posts: 22 Member
    Fun fact for anyone who cares: The cheapest shelf-stable food item you can buy(at least in Canada) is dried soybeans. They're $0.19 per 100 g. I used this as a reminder to restock my emergency food supply in my pantry, not because I'm worried about this in particular but because we have had blizzards as late in the year as the May long weekend, so it never hurts if there's a disaster like getting snowed in. The toilet paper hoarding is getting utterly ridiculous, though. Hand sanitizer too. Not only is hand sanitizer sold out everywhere but so is aloe vera gel and rubbing alcohol, which you can use to make homemade hand sanitizer in a pinch.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    Ruatine wrote: »
    Right now I'm trying to decide whether or not to physically attend church for the next few weeks. Generally there are about 300 people in attendance, but they always live stream the service, so virtual attendance is an option.

    The Archdiocese of Chicago just announced that mass is suspended starting this weekend (as well as closing all their schools starting Monday). They are encouraging parishes that can to broadcast mass, though, and churches are open for private prayer.
  • Chef_Barbell
    Chef_Barbell Posts: 6,644 Member
    Interestingly... all the Catholic schools and charter schools in NYC are closing next week, while the public schools remain open.
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    pinuplove wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    DecadeDuchess wrote: »
    lgfrie wrote: »
    pinuplove wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    earlnabby wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    @earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:

    https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html

    That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.

    I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. :D I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. ;)
    Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)

    Bidet > Charmin Ultrasoft Mega > Other consumer TP > commercial TP which is all that's now available in stores near me > newspaper > moss (early medieval) > corncob > left hand

    Charmin, means that dryer lint's also an option!

    *Frantically starts washing towels*
    You will be, if you run out of toilet paper! :lol:

    😂😂😂
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 17,740 Member
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    Our head immunologists are saying that a drug used in treating reumatoide arthritis is helpful in treating COV19. It can get people off the respirator and into regular care. The drug is manufactured by Rouche here in Italy, they will give it for free (if I'm understanding this right), sorry, but this is fresh news. China is working closely with us and this is what they started using. I will keep you posted if there is any other news on this front.

    Is this what you mean? although this was a few days ago
    https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma-asia/china-turns-roche-arthritis-drug-actemra-against-covid-19-new-treatment-guidelines
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,097 Member
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    hesn92 wrote: »
    School is still in session today but spring break is next week and I think they're thinking of just having virtual school after that, although it hasn't been announced yet in my district. Stores are being wiped completely clean of all paper products, clorox wipes, bleach etc. It's pretty *kitten*. Let's just share guys... I was legitimately running out of toilet paper at my house lol. I have to work still, I'm in a small office but so many people have been sick over the last couple weeks including me (not corona that I'm aware of?? No one is getting tested for that here!) I don't like sending my kids to daycare but what is there for me to do

    Here in Italy, when all schools and universities were closed, the government set up a voucher system to pay for babysitters for people that have no other option. Hopefully your government will do the same.

    That could be an opportunity for people laid off from businesses suffering from closures and lack of consumer demand (restaurants, movie theaters, etc., etc.) to bring in a little income by babysitting, preferably for people they already know, because we don't have the infrastructure to be vetting millions of new babysitters.

    And, really, I don't know that it should be limited to people that "have no other option." Moving kids from schools to large-scale day-care centers doesn't really accomplish anything from the perspective of limiting transmission. Best case would be for all those kids to stay at home, whether under parental care or babysitter care, paid for with vouchers if parents need them.
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 17,740 Member
    edited March 2020
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    Our head immunologists are saying that a drug used in treating reumatoide arthritis is helpful in treating COV19. It can get people off the respirator and into regular care. The drug is manufactured by Rouche here in Italy, they will give it for free (if I'm understanding this right), sorry, but this is fresh news. China is working closely with us and this is what they started using. I will keep you posted if there is any other news on this front.

    Great information. The drug (Actemra) you're alluding to is an Interleukin 6 inhibitor. There are natural ones as well -- most of them are Polyphenols. I'm LOADED up on Polyphenols. But this article, while this guy is controversial, gives a nice list of more natural IL-6 inhibitors.

    It wouldn't hurt to have some Polyphenols on hand. Amla is a very powerful one. The article lists many more. Personally, I also think AHCC (a special mushroom supplement) and Monolaurin (both coconut derivatives shown to restrict virus growth) would help too.

    https://selfhack.com/blog/interleukin-6/

    Here's related to the Actemra find. I don't understand enough about the basic science to know why this would help. From what little I know about IL-6 inhibitors, they lower part of your immunity, which, at first glance, seems counterintuitive. But I'm not a scientist. I'm guessing that, at a point, the progression in the lungs acts like an Autoimmune disease, with your body's own defenses making things worse.

    http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/china_backs_use_of_roches_actemra_for_coronavirus_1328014


    From section 3.4 of this article
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095177920302045
    The immune reaction is too strong and causes damage
    "The cytokine storm will trigger a violent attack by the immune system to the body, cause acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and multiple organ failure, and finally lead to death in severe cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection, just like what occurs in SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV infection"

    Definition of cytokine storm
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140227142250.htm
  • Safari_Gal_
    Safari_Gal_ Posts: 1,461 Member
    Hollis100 wrote: »
    I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html

    I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?

    I think it’s because we have a vaccine for the flu - not covid-19. Maybe?
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    cmriverside wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    snowflake954 wrote: »
    hesn92 wrote: »
    School is still in session today but spring break is next week and I think they're thinking of just having virtual school after that, although it hasn't been announced yet in my district. Stores are being wiped completely clean of all paper products, clorox wipes, bleach etc. It's pretty *kitten*. Let's just share guys... I was legitimately running out of toilet paper at my house lol. I have to work still, I'm in a small office but so many people have been sick over the last couple weeks including me (not corona that I'm aware of?? No one is getting tested for that here!) I don't like sending my kids to daycare but what is there for me to do

    Here in Italy, when all schools and universities were closed, the government set up a voucher system to pay for babysitters for people that have no other option. Hopefully your government will do the same.

    If we're talking about the US government, I wouldn't be optimistic about that.

    With the closure of the schools mandatory in three counties in WA they have also made provisions in the mandate to provide child care for the children of first responders and medical professionals.

    I had no idea -- that's great.
  • missysippy930
    missysippy930 Posts: 2,577 Member
    edited March 2020
    kperk91 wrote: »
    I'm in Florida. Disney World and Universal Studios have shut down for the remainder of the month. All universities are to switch to online classes until at least April 6th. All events are being cancelled.

    My fiancé and all our closest friends work at Publix here. My friend just told us that her store won't receive shipments of toilet paper until maybe June or July...

    Reading all the various articles, it's upsetting how far behind the US is in testing for Covid-19. The CDC completed 100 tests in the last 3 days I believe. I believe that the true numbers of positive cases are higher here, but there is no way to know if not tested. If our ability to test is hindered, I'm thankful for the other measures being taken to limit chances of this spreading through large crowds.

    While I may only experience mild symptoms if I were to get Covid-19, I could not imagine the pain of losing my grandparents to something like this.

    I heard even less numbers being tested by the CDC. Which goes to show you can’t trust the ever changing numbers being reported.

    All the state sports title tournaments have been cancelled.

    I’d be willing to bet there are way more cases, which state/federal health departments are unwilling to admit, trying to avoid panic, which clearly isn’t working.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    edited March 2020
    Chef_Barbell wrote: »
    Interestingly... all the Catholic schools and charter schools in NYC are closing next week, while the public schools remain open.

    That's how it is in Chicago, but the teachers union is now demanding that CPS shut down too. I bet they do very soon.
  • Chef_Barbell
    Chef_Barbell Posts: 6,644 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    Chef_Barbell wrote: »
    Interestingly... all the Catholic schools and charter schools in NYC are closing next week, while the public schools remain open.

    That's how it is in Chicago, but CTU is now demanding that CPS shut down too. I bet they do very soon.

    I agree! The City council here is demanding public schools closed, but the mayor and chancellor of education are budging. I have a good feeling by Monday the pressure to close will be there.

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