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I went into a Walmart yesterday. People had stripped the aisle with paper goods -- toilet paper and paper towels -- so the shelves were empty from the floor to the ceiling. Unbelievable. After I left, I wished I'd taken a photo.
I also saw a man a few days ago buying 18 containers of Clorox wipes. One man. He's either hoarding it or reselling it on Craigslist or Amazon. Absolutely selfish either way.
The Krogers near me have had signs posted since last week that they were limiting purchases of paper goods, anti-bacterial wipes, etc to 5 per customer. That wouldn't prevent someone from making multiple trips to get as much as they could, however.
Absolutely agree. Supplies should be limited. Also agree how you would monitor people making multiple trips -- it would be unlikely that any store could do that. People are selfish, that's the bottom line.5 -
snowflake954 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »Italy in bad shape. Over 600 dead and over 10k active cases. Hospitals stopped all operations / procedures and overflowing caring for covid patients. Bad scene! We need to be vigilant and people need to stop poo pooing claiming it's just no worse than a regular flu blah blah it is killing people globally.
The regular flu kills people globally
We have the regular flu every year in Italy--it's not on this scale.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
This was 2019/2020. Almost 3 Million cases reported by Jan 19 and half a million additional in just one week. At the time of the report deaths were approaching 300. I'm not downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 but the only difference in scale (the flu was worse) is mostly in the response to the outbreak.
With this kind of logic don't you think it's strange that the country didn't go into quarantine in January? The Northern part of Italy is now begging the government to shut down public transportation and all shops and stores that are non-essential. I've seen doctors and nurses crying on TV and begging people to stay home and follow government guidelines. If you feel better believing that this is just a flu then good for you.
For people that want to slow the progression of the virus: no non-essential travel (yes, cancel those vacations), stay away from crowded places, if you go out, wash your hands as soon as you enter your home, keep a distance when meeting and greeting people, avoid touching people, be sensible, do what you need to and look around and see if you can help elderly or infirm by shopping for them and keeping in touch by phone so they don't feel abandoned.
This will pass, but please don't tell people that it's "just the flu" and go about business as usual. I've seen what happens when you do that. Stay safe people.
It's not "just the flu," however I am concerned the responses are promoting panic over preparedness.
In the US this so far this flu season:- 34 million illnesses
- 350,000 hospitalizations
- 20,000 deaths
Realistically, we should (all) exercise more caution during flu season. And if this is how we get there, I am happy for the increased awareness of how easily viruses can be passed. However, where we should be promoting calm and rationality, as well as respect for our more vulnerable citizens, I instead see panic. Such as the doctors and nurses crying on TV mentioned above. How does health officials panic-sobbing help keep citizens calm and following procedures meant to help keep everyone safe? It seems akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater instead of asking folks to get up and quickly proceed to the nearest exit.
I feel like you don’t get what’s happening in Italy right now. Doctors are having to decide who lives and who to just let die because there isn’t enough equipment to go around. One specific example I was given - two otherwise healthy 40 year olds need to be on a respirator, only one respirator, so since one of the 40 year olds has two kids, he gets to keep breathing and the other guy doesn’t. Crying about having to watch people in your care die without helping them is not “panic sobbing,” it’s called grief.
Is that a real example? Because if they're deciding between two healthy 40-year-olds, that suggests they've already given up on caring for most of the folks who are 50+.
Unfortunately yes..that's why doctors and nurses are not only tired but stressed out--hence breaking up on interviews. News this morning says 50 doctors up North are infected. For those not following --this is Italy.
Thanks for all your reporting from the front. I don't understand how people can keep saying covid 19 isn't a big deal, as though China and Italy didn't go from relatively few cases like we have now in the U.S. to widespread illness and many people dead in just a matter of weeks.15 -
Well I understand the mentality. When China was hit it seemed far away from us, and we didn't understand how fast or insidious it is. Everyone was saying that it was just another flu, no need to panic, life as usual ,etc. etc.... Then we were next. We learned from China and other countries need to learn from us. If they're smart. Individuals can do their part if they're mobilized and understand the enemy. That's why I keep posting. I know it annoys some, but if I can push someone to cancel that vacation, stay home, be careful, well that's just doing my part. Stay safe all.30
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I have been following this discussion since it started, but haven't had any valuable information to add... I will mention some new things here because I don't think my state has really been mentioned yet.
I live in Connecticut and last weekend there was two separate cases of diagnosed coronavirus, but they were non residents(from New York). Unfortunately, they both traveled daily here, to work in two separate hospitals. Somehow the hospital announced that there was no risk of it spreading from the doctors-I just don't see how that is realistic. I see any person they came in contact with as a potential case, even by routine hand washing.
As of now, we have 6 confirmed cases and, don't quote me, 108 tested. Colleges have sent students home, k-12 schools have been closing in preparation, and the most recent - state offices are shut down until at least March 30th... no gathering of >250 people... there has been mentioning of statewide quarantine? My boyfriend works at several hospitals in New England(supplier) and I worry about him catching it, and his/my family getting it. Our parents are older, his father has cancer, and my mom has been dealing with random bouts of illness this year.
I work at a home depot, we are the last place being wiped out of TP, sanitizer has been gone for weeks, and people are walking out with loads of bleach- we are ni longer filling shelves, just dropping pallets by the door!
I am concerned for everyone! I really just don't know what to say15 -
Is it true that the virus stays up in the air for a while before it falls? If so, should we be spraying stuff in the air to kill it? Fabreeze that kills germs?
Because I have a man at my house fixing my stove and he keeps coughing, should I be doing anything?8 -
Is it true that the virus stays up in the air for a while before it falls? If so, should we be spraying stuff in the air to kill it? Fabreeze that kills germs?
Because I have a man at my house fixing my stove and he keeps coughing, should I be doing anything?
Yes it is. Up to 3 hours. I don't know what could be done. Do you have a range hood?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v10 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Is it true that the virus stays up in the air for a while before it falls? If so, should we be spraying stuff in the air to kill it? Fabreeze that kills germs?
Because I have a man at my house fixing my stove and he keeps coughing, should I be doing anything?
Yes it is. Up to 3 hours. I don't know what could be done. Do you have a range hood?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1
Yes I do3 -
Background: My daughter is the one up in SF with a possible case of COVID-19 (I shared this here yesterday). She has symptoms since Wednesday night and called her doctor. She has lung issues and is 40.
Just an FYI for folks here who might need the info.......................Kaiser Permanente in SF now has a drive-thru testing area set up. You will need a referral from your doctor and we think an appointment. The info is still a little vague on that. Maybe other Kaiser's will do the same? It's our understanding that the CDC is monitoring the tests so if my daughter gets tested today we may not know until next week if she has it or not.
Best wishes to all of you dealing with this. Looks like we're all being affected in one way or another here now.
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School is still in session today but spring break is next week and I think they're thinking of just having virtual school after that, although it hasn't been announced yet in my district. Stores are being wiped completely clean of all paper products, clorox wipes, bleach etc. It's pretty *kitten*. Let's just share guys... I was legitimately running out of toilet paper at my house lol. I have to work still, I'm in a small office but so many people have been sick over the last couple weeks including me (not corona that I'm aware of?? No one is getting tested for that here!) I don't like sending my kids to daycare but what is there for me to do5
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Dallas has now confirmed at least one case of community spread and is also prohibiting gatherings of 500+.
https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/5-new-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-dallas-county-1-due-to-community-spread-officials-say/287-42732226-4780-4c82-893c-b2e53c0d7b744 -
I went into a Walmart yesterday. People had stripped the aisle with paper goods -- toilet paper and paper towels -- so the shelves were empty from the floor to the ceiling. Unbelievable. After I left, I wished I'd taken a photo.
I also saw a man a few days ago buying 18 containers of Clorox wipes. One man. He's either hoarding it or reselling it on Craigslist or Amazon. Absolutely selfish either way.
The Krogers near me have had signs posted since last week that they were limiting purchases of paper goods, anti-bacterial wipes, etc to 5 per customer. That wouldn't prevent someone from making multiple trips to get as much as they could, however.
Make them get it like cold medicine. Just a thought. They should do that soon. Where they can track how much you're getting to prevent hoarding and reselling for huge profits.1 -
Just got back from Aldi and I have never seen it that busy. They are also limiting the quantities people can purchase of some things. The lady ahead of me wanted to get a case of 12 cans of black beans but was told she could only have 4. When she explained she had 6 kids and this was her normal shopping the manager agreed to override the restriction. Didn't see any empty shelves but the general stock levels seemed lower than normal.
We are still sitting on 7 confirmed cases statewide.5 -
First travel-related case of covid in San Antonio. Public gatherings over 500 have been banned and gatherings over 250 are recommended not to occur. Our huge celebration (Fiesta) that has happened for 130 years (except during WWI & WWII) has been postponed from mid-April to the beginning of November.
Several private/charter schools have cancelled classes for an extra week (we just had SB this week). Thus far, none of our public schools have extended break.
Right now I'm trying to decide whether or not to physically attend church for the next few weeks. Generally there are about 300 people in attendance, but they always live stream the service, so virtual attendance is an option.
City officials state we have at least 500 tests available for people who "qualify." It will be interesting to see if we start having any community spread cases now that we've had one travel-related case. With the caution being displayed by the city, I'm hoping we can keep the spread down to a reasonable level.5 -
I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?3 -
I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
Because we have herd immunity for the flu. We have flu immunizations. We are geared for the flu (the medical system) - but just barely.
We don't want 100,000 new cases of the "flu" AKA COVID 19 all at one time. That would overwhelm the system. We have to slowly build herd immunity - not 2 million cases in a month.
Have you been reading this thread? Go back to yesterday's posts, we talked quite a bit about group immunity. This is a brand new coronavirus.26 -
I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
Because the flu, while unfortunately deadly for some people, doesn't have the potential to tax our hospital/emergency systems the way this novel (new) virus does.
We have some measures like flu shots to help slow the transmission of flu and we have a better understanding of complication rates and recovery for flu.
I don't think it is "extreme panic" to note the differences between the two.18 -
cmhubbard92 wrote: »I have been following this discussion since it started, but haven't had any valuable information to add... I will mention some new things here because I don't think my state has really been mentioned yet.
I live in Connecticut and last weekend there was two separate cases of diagnosed coronavirus, but they were non residents(from New York). Unfortunately, they both traveled daily here, to work in two separate hospitals. Somehow the hospital announced that there was no risk of it spreading from the doctors-I just don't see how that is realistic. I see any person they came in contact with as a potential case, even by routine hand washing.
As of now, we have 6 confirmed cases and, don't quote me, 108 tested. Colleges have sent students home, k-12 schools have been closing in preparation, and the most recent - state offices are shut down until at least March 30th... no gathering of >250 people... there has been mentioning of statewide quarantine? My boyfriend works at several hospitals in New England(supplier) and I worry about him catching it, and his/my family getting it. Our parents are older, his father has cancer, and my mom has been dealing with random bouts of illness this year.
I work at a home depot, we are the last place being wiped out of TP, sanitizer has been gone for weeks, and people are walking out with loads of bleach- we are ni longer filling shelves, just dropping pallets by the door!
I am concerned for everyone! I really just don't know what to say
Don't worry, you said it all just fine. I hope you and your family stay safe. Try not to worry, it won't help. Just go day to day and do your best to help those around you who need you. Wishing you the best.10 -
I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
It's very much explained in this thread. We have vaccines and immunity for the flu. This new virus, we don't and the body doesn't have natural immunity.12 -
cmriverside wrote: »I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
Because we have herd immunity for the flu. We have flu immunizations. We are geared for the flu (the medical system) - but just barely.
We don't want 100,000 new cases of the "flu" AKA Covid all at one time. That would overwhelm the system. We have to slowly build herd immunity - not 2 million cases in a month.
Have you been reading this thread at all?? Go back to yesterday's posts.
Thanks for your insight -- that makes sense. No need to snipe at me. I have not read the thread until today -- I checked in for the first time because of my experience in a store. Some of us have limited time. I shouldn't be on the internet now.4 -
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School is still in session today but spring break is next week and I think they're thinking of just having virtual school after that, although it hasn't been announced yet in my district. Stores are being wiped completely clean of all paper products, clorox wipes, bleach etc. It's pretty *kitten*. Let's just share guys... I was legitimately running out of toilet paper at my house lol. I have to work still, I'm in a small office but so many people have been sick over the last couple weeks including me (not corona that I'm aware of?? No one is getting tested for that here!) I don't like sending my kids to daycare but what is there for me to do
Here in Italy, when all schools and universities were closed, the government set up a voucher system to pay for babysitters for people that have no other option. Hopefully your government will do the same.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
Because we have herd immunity for the flu. We have flu immunizations. We are geared for the flu (the medical system) - but just barely.
We don't want 100,000 new cases of the "flu" AKA Covid all at one time. That would overwhelm the system. We have to slowly build herd immunity - not 2 million cases in a month.
Have you been reading this thread at all?? Go back to yesterday's posts.
Thanks for your insight -- that makes sense. No need to snipe at me. I have not read the thread until today -- I checked in for the first time because of my experience in a store. Some of us have limited time. I shouldn't be on the internet now.
I didn't mean to snipe, sorry if it came across that way. I edited my post...
We're all on edge.
It's a tough time for all of us.12 -
snowflake954 wrote: »School is still in session today but spring break is next week and I think they're thinking of just having virtual school after that, although it hasn't been announced yet in my district. Stores are being wiped completely clean of all paper products, clorox wipes, bleach etc. It's pretty *kitten*. Let's just share guys... I was legitimately running out of toilet paper at my house lol. I have to work still, I'm in a small office but so many people have been sick over the last couple weeks including me (not corona that I'm aware of?? No one is getting tested for that here!) I don't like sending my kids to daycare but what is there for me to do
Here in Italy, when all schools and universities were closed, the government set up a voucher system to pay for babysitters for people that have no other option. Hopefully your government will do the same.
If we're talking about the US government, I wouldn't be optimistic about that.9 -
Our head immunologists are saying that a drug used in treating reumatoide arthritis is helpful in treating COV19. It can get people off the respirator and into regular care. The drug is manufactured by Rouche here in Italy, they will give it for free (if I'm understanding this right), sorry, but this is fresh news. China is working closely with us and this is what they started using. I will keep you posted if there is any other news on this front.14
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janejellyroll wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »School is still in session today but spring break is next week and I think they're thinking of just having virtual school after that, although it hasn't been announced yet in my district. Stores are being wiped completely clean of all paper products, clorox wipes, bleach etc. It's pretty *kitten*. Let's just share guys... I was legitimately running out of toilet paper at my house lol. I have to work still, I'm in a small office but so many people have been sick over the last couple weeks including me (not corona that I'm aware of?? No one is getting tested for that here!) I don't like sending my kids to daycare but what is there for me to do
Here in Italy, when all schools and universities were closed, the government set up a voucher system to pay for babysitters for people that have no other option. Hopefully your government will do the same.
If we're talking about the US government, I wouldn't be optimistic about that.
With the closure of the schools mandatory in three counties in WA they have also made provisions in the mandate to provide child care for the children of first responders and medical professionals.5 -
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snowflake954 wrote: »Our head immunologists are saying that a drug used in treating reumatoide arthritis is helpful in treating COV19. It can get people off the respirator and into regular care. The drug is manufactured by Rouche here in Italy, they will give it for free (if I'm understanding this right), sorry, but this is fresh news. China is working closely with us and this is what they started using. I will keep you posted if there is any other news on this front.
Great information. The drug (Actemra) you're alluding to is an Interleukin 6 inhibitor. There are natural ones as well -- most of them are Polyphenols. I'm LOADED up on Polyphenols. But this article, while this guy is controversial, gives a nice list of more natural IL-6 inhibitors.
It wouldn't hurt to have some Polyphenols on hand. Amla is a very powerful one. The article lists many more. Personally, I also think AHCC (a special mushroom supplement) and Monolaurin (both coconut derivatives shown to restrict virus growth) would help too.
https://selfhack.com/blog/interleukin-6/
Here's related to the Actemra find. I don't understand enough about the basic science to know why this would help. From what little I know about IL-6 inhibitors, they lower part of your immunity, which, at first glance, seems counterintuitive. But I'm not a scientist. I'm guessing that, at a point, the progression in the lungs acts like an Autoimmune disease, with your body's own defenses making things worse.
http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/china_backs_use_of_roches_actemra_for_coronavirus_13280143 -
I thought it was going to be a tongue in cheek article telling us not to forget to breathe.
too soon?3 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. 
Bidet > Charmin Ultrasoft Mega > Other consumer TP > commercial TP which is all that's now available in stores near me > newspaper > moss (early medieval) > corncob > left hand
Charmin, means that dryer lint's also an option!
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MikePfirrman wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Our head immunologists are saying that a drug used in treating reumatoide arthritis is helpful in treating COV19. It can get people off the respirator and into regular care. The drug is manufactured by Rouche here in Italy, they will give it for free (if I'm understanding this right), sorry, but this is fresh news. China is working closely with us and this is what they started using. I will keep you posted if there is any other news on this front.
Great information. The drug you're alluding to is an Interleuken 6 inhibitor. There are natural ones as well -- most of them are Polyphenols. I'm LOADED up on Polyphenols. But this article, while this guy is controversial, gives a nice list of more natural IL-6 inhibitors.
https://selfhack.com/blog/interleukin-6/
I posted specifically for you since you are in the loop about this. I'm an interior designer, not a scientist. I was hoping you could check your contacts and verify what I heard. I hate to give people false hope.5
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