Starving and miserable
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Absolutley starving and miserable on 1200 calories a day. My doctor told me 1200 and no carb (other than veggies) and i will lose weight. Im miserable. And so hungry. Feel i have no energy and just want to lie down all day and sleep. Can i not increase it a bit?
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Im 5 ft 4 and 218lbs6
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1200 sounds way too low! I would talk with your doctor again, letting him/her know how you are feeling.
What is a normal day for you? Are you filling up on veggies? Drinking enough water? Good Luck on your journey!7 -
I would think that rather low for you (based purely on height/weight). I eat 1350 (+ activity calories) and am losing (5’4”, 130). When I was coming down from the 180s I would eat 1700-1800 and lose steadily.5
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Is your Dr a generalist that got their normal 1 class on nutrition, and hasn't made it their speciality?
Since every fast-weight loss method says 1200 too, it may not be very specific.
Throwing in low carb sounds like he's just willing to jump on diet bandwagon - or do you have actual pre-diabetes or blood sugar issues?
Then you should seek out a refer to a specialists - dietician in the US is their degree.
And even then some don't keep up with current info and studies.
While that is minimum daily recommended for average sedentary female - are you sedentary?
On MFP when you do more like exercise, you are expected to eat more.
Life lesson right there for weight management.
Along with when you do less you eat less. (that's how most gain the weight)
If you were and plan on exercising, then 1200 doesn't sound like it took that into account.
You do sound like you have a fair bit to lose - 2 lbs weekly might be reasonable if your body isn't under any other stress, until you have under 50 lbs to lose.
Then the rate should be slowed down to 1 3/4 weekly until 30 left.
1 lb until 15 left
1/2 lb to the end.
How active is your lifestyle outside of exercise - you may not be sedentary anyway if you have say kids/pets and household responsibilities - even if you have 9 hr desk job/commute time.
In which case 1200 was not taking that into account.
You also could be selecting foods that are not filing for your body, and some adjustment would be in order.
Though if it's leaving you tired that is body's first response to getting less calories than it's willing to deal with - slow you down.
That also could kick off or highlight a thyroid problem, results of which are making a person feel tired.
You also could be trying to play logging of food safe in your mind, and inflating the calories eaten, so actually eating even less than 1200.14 -
Mfp has also set me at 1200 though? When i signed up? I tey to hae as much veg and healthy fat as i can within the 1200 but the food is boring and i just hate it. Average day would be bfast - eggs and veggies. Lunch - salad with various veg and greens, some combination of tuna/eggs/cheese/olives/avocado. Dinner small peice of salmon, vegetables including usually something like small serving butternut sqaush. Snacks usually nuts or string cheese.4
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well.... uh hum.... Most M.D.'s know dick about nutrition and weight loss. They only care about results and most don't care about long term results. When I was in the E.R. dealing with starvation issues, one told me he hands out 12-1600 calorie diets like they are candy. Yes, you are tired! That is the bodies way of saving energy when in a low calorie availability state. People spontaneously move less. NEAT levels dropping are well documented in weight loss studies. My suggestion is to find a WOE and calorie amount that you can maintain in the long run. Let your lifestyle decide your weight. Use the calorie suggestion from MFP, weigh and measure your food if you go that route, and find foods AKA a WOE that fills you up and keeps you satiated. I like the idea of "ideal" weight. It might not be our goal, we might not be as lean as we like, but its a place you are healthier, feel good, and can sustain. Cheers!10
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freelymama wrote: »Mfp has also set me at 1200 though? When i signed up? I tey to hae as much veg and healthy fat as i can within the 1200 but the food is boring and i just hate it. Average day would be bfast - eggs and veggies. Lunch - salad with various veg and greens, some combination of tuna/eggs/cheese/olives/avocado. Dinner small peice of salmon, vegetables including usually something like small serving butternut sqaush. Snacks usually nuts or string cheese.
That was the result of your selected options.
You selected sedentary and 2 lbs weight loss weekly.
That's what made it 1200 by the math.
And that's only if you don't exercise though - base calories.
Does mama in your profile name mean you are a mother - then unlikely to be Sedentary - set to Lightly Active if you have a 9 hr day desk job/commute.
If no desk job and moving around all day and weekends busy, may even be Active.
Now you may not be at 1200 even with 2lb weekly loss.
And that's if no exercise.11 -
Has your doctor specifically told you that it's urgent for you to lose weight very, very fast, because of some critical health condition that your weight is aggravating? Is your doctor seeing you regularly while you diet (every week or few, for example) to do blood tests or otherwise check that you're OK nutritionally and physically?
If the answer to those 2 things are both "no", then you probably can increase your calorie goal. (Still check with your doctor!)
It's fairly common for doctors to tell people (especially women) to eat 1200 calories daily because that's old-school generic advice, most doctors don't have much nutritional training, and they assume that most people will not comply with the 1200 (maybe just because they estimate inaccurately, which is ultra common). If you are estimating your calories very carefully, and you're certain you're at 1200, that's a different scenario.
If you answered "no" to both questions at the beginning, then I'd suggest you set up your MFP profile and see how many calories it would suggest for you. Unless you have urgent health problems related to weight, you don't need to select "2 pounds a week", you can go slower to make it easier. Many people set themselves as "sedentary/not very active", but many/most women with jobs, kids & home chores are at least lightly active.
See what MFP recommends, then ask your doctor: "I want to eat XYZ calories instead of 1200, with a goal of losing ABC pounds a week. If I don't lose doing that for a few weeks, I will adjust my calories downward. Is there any reason I should not do that?"
I'd also point out that (1) the first couple of weeks of a new routine can be the hardest, and (2) many people find that focusing on nutritious eating (protein, healthy fats, plenty of veggies/fruits) helps them feel fuller, and perhaps even more energetic.
However, weakness and fatigue are really bad signs. Unless it's urgent that you lose weight fast, IMO, continuing would be risky. It's a myth that all women need to eat 1200 calories to lose weight: Some do, many don't. Those who do are usually some combination of petite, older, inactive, or the like. (I'm not petite, but average height (5'5"), older, hypothyroid, and sedentary outside of the exercise I log separately and eat back - even at age 59-60, 1200 was too low for me; I lost at a good, steady rate on more).
This is a good general article:
https://www.aworkoutroutine.com/1200-calorie-diet/18 -
freelymama wrote: »Absolutley starving and miserable on 1200 calories a day. My doctor told me 1200 and no carb (other than veggies) and i will lose weight. Im miserable. And so hungry. Feel i have no energy and just want to lie down all day and sleep. Can i not increase it a bit?
You can lose weight on 1200 calories. It is next to impossible to lose weight if you are starving, miserable, and lethargic.
There is a difference between losing weight on paper and losing weight in practice. In practice most people can suffer through misery for a period of time but it wears you down. Eventually you crack and eat everything in sight and/or rage quit your plan of misery.
In practice you need a sustainable plan. It might mean you lose slightly slower but if you can be happy-ish while losing you won't be constantly close to the breaking point. Basically if you have to weather occasional bad days that is life. If every day is miserable you need a better plan.
Read these:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants/p1
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10636388/free-customized-personal-weight-loss-eating-plan-not-spam-or-mlm/p1
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Unless you have a medical reason for:
A.) Getting the weight off ASAP
B.) An extremely low carb diet
Neither of these are necessary. I'm guessing your doctor is uninformed, or just lazy.
A.) Enter your statistics in My Fitness Pal. While a 2 pound a week goal is possible for you, that doesn't mean you have to choose the most aggressive plan. If you need medical weight loss fast....talk with your doctor.
Choose something like 1.5 pounds a week. 1.5 pound a week goal is going to be more comfortable than 2 pounds a week. Eventually that goal will be lowered to 1 pound a week, then 1/2 pound a week (as you become smaller you requires fewer calories).
B.) Low carb is popular right now. The fatigue you are feeling is likely due "low carb flu".....add more sodium to your diet. This is the thing impresses some people with starting low carb....the water weight loss. The sodium does counteract that, but you feel better.
If you have a medical reason to eat low(er) carb, then do so. If you enjoy eating low(er) carb, then do so. BUT for weight loss, calories are king. Find a way to eat fewer calories. Do that consistently and you will lose weight.
Many people shift the focus "positive:" meet protein goals and meet fat goals. This will naturally lower carbs a bit for many. Just demonising carbs isn't educational or helpful.
Finding satiating foods is a learning experience. Protein, fiber and fat are filling components but it's a little different combination for everyone. Give yourself time to learn what's right for you.
This is a great thread for new comers:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300331/most-helpful-posts-getting-started-must-reads#latest10 -
Ran the numbers for you. Your TDEE (aka break-even, maintenance calories - neither gain nor lose) is 2030.
Every 250 cals per day below that # will cause you to lose half a pound per week.
Sounds like you told MFP you want to lose 2 lbs per week. It woulda put you at 1030 for that (250 * 4 = 1,000 calorie deficit) but 1200 is its minimum.
Anyway, it's pretty simple really. If you're starving, you're not getting enough food.1200 is not a lot of food and if you're trying to eat "healthy" and low carb at the same time, that's gonna be really punishing. No wonder you're going crazy.
Two suggestions:
1. Try setting your calories to an amount you can live with. Go back to the MFP Goals tool, tell it 1 lb per week, it'll put your cals at around 1530, and see if you can make your peace with that. There is a ginormous difference between 1200 and 1530 and the latter might work for you
2. There is NO REASON to change your carb / macro habits unless YOU want to. Carbs do not affect weight loss in any way, aside from the caloric content of the carbs. If you like them and they fill you up, eat them. You are starving not only because you aren't eating enough food, but because the foods that satisfy you have been taken away. Get them back.
Once you've lost some weight you'll be more in the swing of things and can evaluate your calorie level and your goal for how many pounds per week. You're not making a long term commitment here, just trying to get the train out of the station.20 -
Maybe you can have a conversation with your doctor. When I first decided to lose weight my doctor also suggested 1200, but asked me if I wanted a referral to a dietitian. I said no, went home, found 1200 too low, ate 1600. Next time I saw him I told him I couldn't do 1200. He said I was doing fine and my weight loss was where he wanted it to be. His initial recommendation was based on the fact that many people tend to be sloppy counters (eyeballing, not counting certain things...etc), so the initial lower number was to account for undercounting.
If you don't need to lose weight urgently and quickly, you can probably talk to your doctor and see if they gave you a lower budget than he expects you to eat.
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I'm someone who doesn't feel full without carbs. I need my bread and my rice and my beans. I don't think I'll survive without potatoes. I lost 140 pounds eating these things daily, plus fruits (sugar! the horror!). Don't make it harder on yourself than it needs to be. If eating low carb leaves you hungry, then maybe experiment with increasing your carbs and see if that solves the problem.
Another note, and it's strictly personal to me. I really REALLY love nuts, but they don't work for me as a snack. The amount is so tiny, they're gone so quickly, and they don't fill me up.18 -
freelymama wrote: »Mfp has also set me at 1200 though? When i signed up? I tey to hae as much veg and healthy fat as i can within the 1200 but the food is boring and i just hate it. Average day would be bfast - eggs and veggies. Lunch - salad with various veg and greens, some combination of tuna/eggs/cheese/olives/avocado. Dinner small peice of salmon, vegetables including usually something like small serving butternut sqaush. Snacks usually nuts or string cheese.
One of my most important rules: "I don't have to love everything I do to lose weight but I can't hate it."
You do not have to eat specific food to lose weight just the right number of calories.
If you are feeling lethargic it suggests that you are eating too little to support your activity. Are you exercising? If so, you should be eating back some of those calories as well.
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Thank you to everyone who replied, really helpful!
Ok i played around with the settings on mfp to see what i could change. I changed the goal to 1.5lbs a week and my activity to "lightly active". Mfp gave me 1680 cals. I feel this is likely more then i need so ive adjusted it to 1500 and i can see how i get on. But i still dont think im truly lightly active especially at the moment in lock down.
So my next question is...how do i become lightly active? How does this translate per day? 30 min workout video? Daily or every other day? Not sure where to start but im up for giving it a go if it means i can eat more!8 -
Activity level is outside of workouts
So it would mostly be based on you being busy through the day with usual life. Since sedentary means under 3000 steps, lightly active would mean going above that before workouts.6 -
lightly active is walking about 4000 steps a day (sedentary is less than 3000) - MFP does NOT include purposeful exercise in your calorie count (so if you do like a workout video - it expects you to eat back at least a portion of those calories)4
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deannalfisher wrote: »lightly active is walking about 4000 steps a day (sedentary is less than 3000) - MFP does NOT include purposeful exercise in your calorie count (so if you do like a workout video - it expects you to eat back at least a portion of those calories)
Why does it make any difference if the activity is purposeful excersise or spread through the day? Surely its calories out either way?5 -
because MFP uses a NEAT calculation to provide recommendations - this doesn't include purposeful activity; a TDEE calculation would - when you compare the two (logging purposeful activity - they should come out approximately even)5
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freelymama wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »lightly active is walking about 4000 steps a day (sedentary is less than 3000) - MFP does NOT include purposeful exercise in your calorie count (so if you do like a workout video - it expects you to eat back at least a portion of those calories)
Why does it make any difference if the activity is purposeful excersise or spread through the day? Surely its calories out either way?
Because exercise ramps up more than average daily activity would.
And the way MFP works is you don't account for the exercise UNTIL it is actually done.
You may be in lock down - but if you are a mama - are you really sitting on the couch all day (ALL day) vegging out to streaming?3 -
Because if log the exercise, and are set to lightly active and you arent, you would be eating too many calories back because your double dipping
And if you didnt log the exercise and didnt burn what is calculated by being lightly active, you would end up having a smaller deficit and slower loss because you would be eating too much1 -
freelymama wrote: »Thank you to everyone who replied, really helpful!
Ok i played around with the settings on mfp to see what i could change. I changed the goal to 1.5lbs a week and my activity to "lightly active". Mfp gave me 1680 cals. I feel this is likely more then i need so ive adjusted it to 1500 and i can see how i get on. But i still dont think im truly lightly active especially at the moment in lock down.
So my next question is...how do i become lightly active? How does this translate per day? 30 min workout video? Daily or every other day? Not sure where to start but im up for giving it a go if it means i can eat more!
To this point I'd ask - what experience with calories - eaten or burned - do you really have for this to be something to trust?
As to confirming you are being lightly-active - take the long way to the bathroom and kitchen all day long - visit all the rooms of the house hourly - walk to end of driveway several times daily.
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Ok. Im not sure i can really say im lightly actvie then. No in not sat on couch all day but im not run off my feet either. We have a small hpuse its not much effort to go from one end to the other. Im doubg a bit of light hpusework and sitting on the floor or in garden with the kids. Its still sitting. If we wernt in lickdoen yeh id say its hard work with kids in tow going places and school runs but not at the moment.0
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Op I'm 5'7 and 210 and a mom to an almost 2 year old. My weight loss is set at 1 lb a week, and that puts me around 1600 calories. My activity is set at light because I spend more time playing on the floor doing activities. Slowly losing weight. Maybe try the increase for a few weeks and see how you feel, and if you lose any weight.4
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Just an observation here, but I feel like your being clouded a little by wanting to get the weight off as fast as you can.
You made this post saying starving and miserable, and when the solution was found for you to eat more, losing only half a pound less then your previous setting, you feel like that's too much and set it back a little.
No one wants to have their weight on, but you're not gonna get it off ever if you cant slow down and make the process sustainable to do so.
You want the weight to stay off right? You're gonna need to learn good habits now, because the more you lose the slower it's going to go and unless you can get used to the idea of that and eat at a sustainable amount and speed, it's going to be very hard to finish what you're starting19 -
I think it’s likely your base activity level should be sedentary while you’re in lockdown. The sedendary setting accounts for a couple thousand steps around the house and so on. You can add in exercise to get a more accurate picture of your calories out.
As far as how much exercise you should be doing, for health in general it’s good to be moderately active 30 minutes a day, and more is better (up to a point, but that’s another post). Start with something you enjoy like a video or a walk and increase gradually so you don’t burn yourself out.4 -
freelymama wrote: »Thank you to everyone who replied, really helpful!
Ok i played around with the settings on mfp to see what i could change. I changed the goal to 1.5lbs a week and my activity to "lightly active". Mfp gave me 1680 cals. I feel this is likely more then i need so ive adjusted it to 1500 and i can see how i get on. But i still dont think im truly lightly active especially at the moment in lock down.
So my next question is...how do i become lightly active? How does this translate per day? 30 min workout video? Daily or every other day? Not sure where to start but im up for giving it a go if it means i can eat more!
Others have already pointed out how intentional exercise, in the world of MFP, is not counted in base activity, but is logged & added separately when we do it. That teaches the very useful lesson that when we move more, we should eat more; but if we move less, we need to eat accordingly.
If you want to increase your non-exercise activity (NEAT, non-exercise activity thermogenesis, i.e., the calories you burn before even doing formal exercise), this thread has a discussion of ideas:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10610953/neat-improvement-strategies-to-improve-weight-loss/p1
It's a "vintage" thread, so it includes some ideas that may not be realistic if you're sheltering in place because of coronavirus, but it also has many, many ideas for strategies that will absolutely work inside one's own house.
Best wishes!
ETA: 1680 calories isn't crazy. I lost weight eating that (and more, when exercising) when lighter than you are now. I'd still lose eating 1680 plus all exercise, even at 5'5" and weighing in the low 130s, though it would be slower loss. Tiny people who don't move much may need to eat tiny calories, and perhaps a few more people beyond those groups. But it's just a popular myth that most of us must do that: Most of us can lose weight eating more.
Unless you have urgent, important health reasons to lose weight fast . . . it works better to find a way to do it easily rather than quickly, because it's inherently a long-term process (even if fast) for those of us who have/had a meaningful amount to lose. Easy is sustainable; fast may not be.5 -
Hey, I totally understand where you're coming from! How far into your journey are you? It normally takes me 4/5 days for the serious hunger to go after I start a diet, that's why it has taken me a year and about 20 failed attempts (and an extra 14lbs) to get back to it but I had to do something!!
For my calories I always class myself as sedentary and have a calorie goal of 1200 (I'm 5'7" and 180lb). I then do a 30 min to an hour work out each day (depending on time) and that's how I get the extra calories. I will say that 3 weeks in I am getting used to it, the hunger has started to go. I struggle with some carbs as I have a gluten intolerance but I always eat wholewheat five and lots of potatoes.
Good luck with it. You need a hobby or distraction from the hunger, I do find exercise really helps!1 -
Just to be clear about the NEAT method MFP uses: when you add an exercise it adds calories to your allowance. Say your base allowance is 1500 calories and you walk for 30 minutes burning 120 calories in the process, your allowance becomes 1620 (1500+120). So yes, you do get extra calories for being more active without increasing your base activity level.
I really like this method because it teaches you that if you want to eat more you need to move more, and if you start moving less for one reason or another, you'll have to adapt to eating less. I like it the other way around, too. It teaches you that if you move more, you need more fuel. That being way under calories is not a win.6 -
Ok. So as a compromise ive set it to lose 1.5lbs per week, not very active (for now while in lockdown) and will endeavour to add in some excerisse to "earn" extra calories. Whats the best way to be accurate on this. Step counter? Dont we all burn different amount depending how hard we are working? I dont want to "eat back" excersise calories and end up over eating!0
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freelymama wrote: »Ok. So as a compromise ive set it to lose 1.5lbs per week, not very active (for now while in lockdown) and will endeavour to add in some excerisse to "earn" extra calories. Whats the best way to be accurate on this. Step counter? Dont we all burn different amount depending how hard we are working? I dont want to "eat back" excersise calories and end up over eating!
It's based on weight.
Which for many exercises is a fair estimate of calorie burn.
The fitness level between people of same weight is not a change in calorie burn - but rather what supplied most the energy for those calories - fat or carbs.
How hard you are working is taken care of by workouts that have an intensity to them (pace, speed, ect).
For those that don't (Spin class) it's expected you are doing it the way the class is done.
Be honest with the time - if 5 min warmup and 5 min cooldown and stretches involved, and the video was 30 min - the workout was only 20 min.
ETA - oh - overeating would have to overcome a 750 cal deficit.4
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