Extremeish weight fluctuation?
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josh2452180 wrote: »120 lbs is on the lower end of ideal, depending on how tall you are. There are many medical charts that show this. Anything less and you could be doing more harm than good.
With where you are at...
Caloric deficit alone will not get rid of the visceral fat (the midsection fat) around your midsection. A mix of strength training and cardio (pushing your limits), as well as timely and fine-tuned nutrition will.
A caloric deficit is the ONLY thing that will cause her, or anyone, to lose fat of any kind anywhere on their body, assuming an otherwise healthy individual. All the rest of the things you mention only help in that they're tools you can use to manipulate the size of the calorie deficit. You can absolutely lose every bit of fat you want to by doing nothing more than controlling what food goes in your mouth.
That said, most people find adding some exercise helps with appetite and it certainly helps you be healthier in general.6 -
Stargirlhorse: I’ve read over this entire post and you seem to have done your research related to bmi, visceral fat, waist to hip ratio, etc. Since you’ve obviously read a lot about all these topics I’m certain you would have also read about ranges, averages, each unique person.
You are unique and you need to love yourself.
You can lose weight by having a caloric deficit.
When weight is lost a combination of fat and muscle are lost.
Based on your measurements and your goals you need to focus on resistance training and having a nutrient rich diet with at least 1 gram of protein for every pound of body weight. For you that’s 120 grams of protein a day.
In terms of resistance training, you need to follow a proven program. I have two recommendations : 1) legion athletics has a book written by mike Matthews called ‘thinner, leaner, stronger 2) Beachbody on demand 80 Day Obsession.
For both these programs you’ll need weights.
I know you said you don’t own weights, so you may need to get to gym or consider buying some or using resistance bands. I know weights are nearly impossible to find right now.
Any change in your body composition is going to take time. I don’t believe your waist measurement is too large, but you do and you if you want to have it smaller, you’ll need to do the work.
Take care,
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Maxematics wrote: »
You're only 18, so your body is still growing and changing and many people have written this to you. You trying to resist and manipulate that may be causing additional stress on your body; I'd say the eight day late period is pretty good evidence of that stress. In fact, at your age, this is the prime time to start working on your body composition by incorporating resistance training on a regular basis. You won't get bulky and will probably come closer to the body type you're aiming for this way.
This is an important point. I’m not saying this to belittle you or your experience in any way, and I know it’s hard to really understand - I remember being 18 and how adult I felt. Still, 18 is literally a teenager, and both your body and brain are still developing. While the age for legal adulthood is 18 in many countries, you’re definitely not done developing.
I wish you all the best with starting college, try to enjoy it and not ruin it with this waist obsession.6 -
stargirlhorse wrote: »
You incorrect; I am abdominally obese. As I mentioned in my original post, I am Asian, and for some reason, we are abdominally obese at smaller measurements than other people. This link from Harvard Medical states that 80 cm is where one becomes abdominally obese. This is 31.4961 inches according to Google's conversion. My waist is 32, and therefore, by definition and waist measurement, I am abdominally obese.
The World Health Organization also states "Chinese and South Asian men and women display a greater amount of visceral adipose
tissue for a given waist circumference than Europeans (Lear et al., 2007b). Similarly, a
higher percentage of body fat across a range of waist circumference values has been
documented in East Asia (Kagawa et al., 2007)." (page 10 of the linked document above)
I have been trying strength training as mentioned before, but again, as I have said before, we do not have weights. I am using YouTuber workouts.
You're abdominally obese by roughly half an inch.
You said on a different thread that your period is 11 days late, which might account for some bloating and water weight. Did you have an honest discussion with your doctor?7 -
ClosetBayesian wrote: »stargirlhorse wrote: »
You incorrect; I am abdominally obese. As I mentioned in my original post, I am Asian, and for some reason, we are abdominally obese at smaller measurements than other people. This link from Harvard Medical states that 80 cm is where one becomes abdominally obese. This is 31.4961 inches according to Google's conversion. My waist is 32, and therefore, by definition and waist measurement, I am abdominally obese.
The World Health Organization also states "Chinese and South Asian men and women display a greater amount of visceral adipose
tissue for a given waist circumference than Europeans (Lear et al., 2007b). Similarly, a
higher percentage of body fat across a range of waist circumference values has been
documented in East Asia (Kagawa et al., 2007)." (page 10 of the linked document above)
I have been trying strength training as mentioned before, but again, as I have said before, we do not have weights. I am using YouTuber workouts.
You're abdominally obese by roughly half an inch.
You said on a different thread that your period is 11 days late, which might account for some bloating and water weight. Did you have an honest discussion with your doctor?
@stargirlhorse speaking of doctors, do you have a GYN? My waist measurements are abnormal due to uterine fibroids. I suggest you discuss all your concerns with a doctor.5 -
Period 11 days late, any chance you are pregnant?2
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L1zardQueen wrote: »stargirlhorse wrote: »I also don't understand why my stupid body won't burn calories. I have a friend who's the same height as me and only like 20 pounds heavier than me and can burn like 900 "move" calories on the apple watch just by existing, doing her everyday activities, and going for a ~3-4 mile run. I went for a 3.43 mile run at a 12'29" pace and only burnt 341 move calories??? I think her biggest burn was 2,100 in a single day. And I have never been able to burn more than 6-700, even when I spent like an hour in the gym? We are both women, the only real difference is the 20-pound weight difference.
Did you spend all day with her? Or is this what she tells you she did?
I didn't spend all day with her; the apple watch tracks distance/calories burned. Yes, they're highly inaccurate (and hers is probably off as someone mentioned) but it seems like a weirdly huge gap between me and her.
-lemongirlbc wrote: »Can I also just say with your idea that you are abdominally obese due to to your waist measurement - your waist measurement also can largely come down to your skeletal frame. If your ribs are relatively low due to a short torso, and fairly wide, and your hip bones - particularly the illium - are high and wide, you may never have a tiny waist. There are simply some things you can't change, and your bones are one of them. Your shape may just be your shape.
I don't really know what defines a "short" torso or where technically one's torso ends, but I can say I'm 65.5" and my inseam (crotch to floor) is 32", making my torso by that measurement 33.5"? That seems pretty proportional to me but I'm no stylist so I don't know where torsos technically end. I never really have issues when I tuck shirts in and pants usually come to the length they're supposed to.
-josh2452180 wrote: »120 lbs is on the lower end of ideal, depending on how tall you are. There are many medical charts that show this. Anything less and you could be doing more harm than good.
With where you are at...
Caloric deficit alone will not get rid of the visceral fat (the midsection fat) around your midsection. A mix of strength training and cardio (pushing your limits), as well as timely and fine-tuned nutrition will.
A caloric deficit is the ONLY thing that will cause her, or anyone, to lose fat of any kind anywhere on their body, assuming an otherwise healthy individual. All the rest of the things you mention only help in that they're tools you can use to manipulate the size of the calorie deficit. You can absolutely lose every bit of fat you want to by doing nothing more than controlling what food goes in your mouth.
That said, most people find adding some exercise helps with appetite and it certainly helps you be healthier in general.
Tried the 1200 calorie diet. Stalled for a month. Currently testing out the "diet break" thing by eating at 100 lower than maintanence and guess who gained weight.
-tgillies003 wrote: »Stargirlhorse: I’ve read over this entire post and you seem to have done your research related to bmi, visceral fat, waist to hip ratio, etc. Since you’ve obviously read a lot about all these topics I’m certain you would have also read about ranges, averages, each unique person.
You are unique and you need to love yourself.
You can lose weight by having a caloric deficit.
When weight is lost a combination of fat and muscle are lost.
Based on your measurements and your goals you need to focus on resistance training and having a nutrient rich diet with at least 1 gram of protein for every pound of body weight. For you that’s 120 grams of protein a day.
In terms of resistance training, you need to follow a proven program. I have two recommendations : 1) legion athletics has a book written by mike Matthews called ‘thinner, leaner, stronger 2) Beachbody on demand 80 Day Obsession.
For both these programs you’ll need weights.
I know you said you don’t own weights, so you may need to get to gym or consider buying some or using resistance bands. I know weights are nearly impossible to find right now.
Any change in your body composition is going to take time. I don’t believe your waist measurement is too large, but you do and you if you want to have it smaller, you’ll need to do the work.
Take care,
I'll definitely be checking out the weight section at the college gym when I get there. Hopefully it's open... but yeah, I do my research.1 -
ClosetBayesian wrote: »[cut out my previous message]
You're abdominally obese by roughly half an inch.
You said on a different thread that your period is 11 days late, which might account for some bloating and water weight. Did you have an honest discussion with your doctor?
Still... obesity (in any form) is still obese. I lost weight and only two inches around the waist (which was REALLY effing discouraging). Yeah, it's still late (insert clown emoji) on day 13. And no, I will admit I didn't becuase it was a new doctor and he made me feel lowkey uncomfortable. Will not be going to that dude again.
-kshama2001 wrote: »
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@stargirlhorse speaking of doctors, do you have a GYN? My waist measurements are abnormal due to uterine fibroids. I suggest you discuss all your concerns with a doctor.
I've never been to the gyno and probably should but, y'know, corona. I'll remember to ask if there's something up with my uterus or if it's just fat. (Also, I've heard horror stories about these things called "pap smears" which make me want to stay away.)
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@harper16 is correct unless I'm the next virgin mary. I've literally never even seen a penis so, unless I'm a freak of nature and can get pregnant just by being around men, I can confirm with 100% confidence that I am not pregnant.2 -
How do you know that you're even measuring your waist correctly? A change in water retention, bloat, inhaling, exhaling, not holding the tape measure tight, or too lose can all impact your measurements.
You are not obese in any form, and if you believe that you are please seek out a therapist that specializes in eating disorders. You are heading down the same path I went, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.10 -
stargirlhorse wrote: »
I've never been to the gyno and probably should but, y'know, corona. I'll remember to ask if there's something up with my uterus or if it's just fat. (Also, I've heard horror stories about these things called "pap smears" which make me want to stay away.)
Pap smears aren’t usually bad. A couple of months I was chatting about the covid test with a group of girls (maybe 6-8 girls) and referred to my testing experience as the worst labwork I’ve ever had done. One of the girls went ”worse than pap smear?!?”, everyone else’s reaction was ”???????” Since it doesn’t usually hurt in any way. It’s been years since my last smear, but I don’t recall it being that different from putting on a tampon. (Yes, I currently have a referral to get one but covid is postponing non-critical appointments.)
As soon as the covid situation clears enough to make it safe, go see a gyno. Your health is important and pap smears should be done regularly. Yeah, it’s not fun to have someone down there, but it’s not bad either, and it’s kinda like getting your teeth checked: it’s not very pleasant, but if you don’t do it you’re letting problems grow until they become really freakin’ awful to deal with.
Taking care of your health is a full body experience, not just about waistlines or appearances.5 -
ClosetBayesian wrote: »stargirlhorse wrote: »
You incorrect; I am abdominally obese. As I mentioned in my original post, I am Asian, and for some reason, we are abdominally obese at smaller measurements than other people. This link from Harvard Medical states that 80 cm is where one becomes abdominally obese. This is 31.4961 inches according to Google's conversion. My waist is 32, and therefore, by definition and waist measurement, I am abdominally obese.
The World Health Organization also states "Chinese and South Asian men and women display a greater amount of visceral adipose
tissue for a given waist circumference than Europeans (Lear et al., 2007b). Similarly, a
higher percentage of body fat across a range of waist circumference values has been
documented in East Asia (Kagawa et al., 2007)." (page 10 of the linked document above)
I have been trying strength training as mentioned before, but again, as I have said before, we do not have weights. I am using YouTuber workouts.
You're abdominally obese by roughly half an inch.
You said on a different thread that your period is 11 days late, which might account for some bloating and water weight. Did you have an honest discussion with your doctor?
I was "abdominally obese" by waist to hip ratio when I was 20lbs underweight and still am. It is NOT valid for those at low BMIs or with narrow hips.12 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »ClosetBayesian wrote: »stargirlhorse wrote: »
You incorrect; I am abdominally obese. As I mentioned in my original post, I am Asian, and for some reason, we are abdominally obese at smaller measurements than other people. This link from Harvard Medical states that 80 cm is where one becomes abdominally obese. This is 31.4961 inches according to Google's conversion. My waist is 32, and therefore, by definition and waist measurement, I am abdominally obese.
The World Health Organization also states "Chinese and South Asian men and women display a greater amount of visceral adipose
tissue for a given waist circumference than Europeans (Lear et al., 2007b). Similarly, a
higher percentage of body fat across a range of waist circumference values has been
documented in East Asia (Kagawa et al., 2007)." (page 10 of the linked document above)
I have been trying strength training as mentioned before, but again, as I have said before, we do not have weights. I am using YouTuber workouts.
You're abdominally obese by roughly half an inch.
You said on a different thread that your period is 11 days late, which might account for some bloating and water weight. Did you have an honest discussion with your doctor?
I was "abdominally obese" by waist to hip ratio when I was 20lbs underweight and still am. It is NOT valid for those at low BMIs or with narrow hips.
@stargirlhorse ^^^ please discuss your concerns with a doctor. I often google medical issues, but then I follow up with a medical professional.4 -
stargirlhorse wrote: »
I've never been to the gyno and probably should but, y'know, corona. I'll remember to ask if there's something up with my uterus or if it's just fat. (Also, I've heard horror stories about these things called "pap smears" which make me want to stay away.)Pap smears aren’t usually bad. A couple of months I was chatting about the covid test with a group of girls (maybe 6-8 girls) and referred to my testing experience as the worst labwork I’ve ever had done. One of the girls went ”worse than pap smear?!?”, everyone else’s reaction was ”???????” Since it doesn’t usually hurt in any way. It’s been years since my last smear, but I don’t recall it being that different from putting on a tampon. (Yes, I currently have a referral to get one but covid is postponing non-critical appointments.)
As soon as the covid situation clears enough to make it safe, go see a gyno. Your health is important and pap smears should be done regularly. Yeah, it’s not fun to have someone down there, but it’s not bad either, and it’s kinda like getting your teeth checked: it’s not very pleasant, but if you don’t do it you’re letting problems grow until they become really freakin’ awful to deal with.
Taking care of your health is a full body experience, not just about waistlines or appearances.
@stargirlhorse not sure if the pap smear "horror stories" were about the actual collection of cells, which I never thought was any big deal, or the whole experience of being on a GYN exam table, again, not a big deal, but perhaps rather off-putting the first time.
Also, I'm seeing on various sites that you don't need to start getting pap smears until you are 21. I'm pretty sure I was younger, but that was a long time ago1 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »ClosetBayesian wrote: »stargirlhorse wrote: »
You incorrect; I am abdominally obese. As I mentioned in my original post, I am Asian, and for some reason, we are abdominally obese at smaller measurements than other people. This link from Harvard Medical states that 80 cm is where one becomes abdominally obese. This is 31.4961 inches according to Google's conversion. My waist is 32, and therefore, by definition and waist measurement, I am abdominally obese.
The World Health Organization also states "Chinese and South Asian men and women display a greater amount of visceral adipose
tissue for a given waist circumference than Europeans (Lear et al., 2007b). Similarly, a
higher percentage of body fat across a range of waist circumference values has been
documented in East Asia (Kagawa et al., 2007)." (page 10 of the linked document above)
I have been trying strength training as mentioned before, but again, as I have said before, we do not have weights. I am using YouTuber workouts.
You're abdominally obese by roughly half an inch.
You said on a different thread that your period is 11 days late, which might account for some bloating and water weight. Did you have an honest discussion with your doctor?
I was "abdominally obese" by waist to hip ratio when I was 20lbs underweight and still am. It is NOT valid for those at low BMIs or with narrow hips.
Yeah, all these individual stats (weight, BMI, waist measurement, BF%, etc) are each incomplete information. You are supposed to look at all of them all together. If most of your numbers are in line and one is a little off, that one stat doesn't make you unhealthy. Each stat can individually be thrown off by temporary issues as well.
It's like the story of the blind men all standing around an elephant, they each only felt one part of it's body so each were sure it was a different animal.
OP, if you are truly concerned about your health because your waist measurement is a fraction over the smaller Asian recommendations, then first you need to take a deep breath because you are giving it too much importance and then second you should just schedule a doctor's appt. It's possible a telehealth conversation would clear a lot of this up and most doctors offices should be able to do a blood draw within pandemics guidelines.
If you really just want a smaller waist because you have a picture in your head if what you want your midsection to look like, and you're just focusing on the health aspect so people will take it more seriously, I can guarantee you no one else notices your waist measurement. Just focus on eating well, staying a healthy weight, and getting fit. Subtle changes to one particular feature can take months and years. And the look of your stomach can change literally from one hour to the next. As it's affected by digestion, posture, your reproductive organs, and water retention.7 -
Ive been thinking about you and, frankly, I’m I little worried about you. You mentioned that you are 13 days late. How regular is your menstrual cycle? I know when I was your age, I fluctuated quite a bit. As I got older, I became like clockwork. If you are typically more regular and your period hasn’t started within the next week, then make an appointment with a doctor.
The delayed period could be a result of all the stress and pressure you are putting on yourself.
Take care
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