21 days of gluten free, because wheat is so addictive and toxic
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MikePfirrman wrote: »i find that if i have one cookie I am not satisfied until I finish them all
But I can eat one apple or one banana
I think wheat that is processed does not register correctly with our brain
especially wheat and sugar combo
I think the same of Honey Peanut Butter. But it's not scientific. That stuff is crack to me. And I could eat a whole jar of it without blinking an eye. Been there, done that.
But this is more of a volumetric argument, not a scientific one. Yes, our brains react different, I think, to highly process foods -- like fried, sugary calorie bombs -- than they do to fresh vegetables or fruit, which are high in fiber.
Well . . . maybe.
Personally, I think it's more that our brain reacts in predictable ways to pleasurable things (patterns of activation similar for some non-food pleasures), and the highly processed foods push those buttons, but don't trigger satiation or perceived fullness or whatever we want to call it (whether that's brain thing, or a hormone thing, or what, I dunno - the mind/body duality idea really doesn't work for me, conceptually - but that's a whole other discussion. 😆)4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »
The continual audacity @NovusDies displays, summing up so many of us with so few words!
Going to have to agree, it is because they are all gone!!!!! lol
When I eat something I enjoy, I tend to repeat the action of eating more trying to re-create that first initial response to it. It isn't because I am hungry or still have the craving. It is recreating that first initial bite and taste.
Also, I am Celiac-newer diagnosis. It is tough, I still can't completely eliminate from my diet and usually end up very sick. Gluten is in so many products that you would not even think about--so many!!!!! To add to the gluten, I can't really eat any type of grain without getting sick (rice, oats, etc), which eliminates almost all gluten-free alternatives. Most of those products are higher in carbs and calories anyways. Eliminating gluten from your diet can make you gluten intolerant after a while. Be careful with it.6 -
Aside from suffering with the authentic wheat &/or gluten allergy, you do not become 'toxed on wheat. If you were actually 'toxed your liver and kidneys wouldn't be working.4
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rhenry2424_ wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »
The continual audacity @NovusDies displays, summing up so many of us with so few words!
Going to have to agree, it is because they are all gone!!!!! lol
When I eat something I enjoy, I tend to repeat the action of eating more trying to re-create that first initial response to it. It isn't because I am hungry or still have the craving. It is recreating that first initial bite and taste.
Also, I am Celiac-newer diagnosis. It is tough, I still can't completely eliminate from my diet and usually end up very sick. Gluten is in so many products that you would not even think about--so many!!!!! To add to the gluten, I can't really eat any type of grain without getting sick (rice, oats, etc), which eliminates almost all gluten-free alternatives. Most of those products are higher in carbs and calories anyways. Eliminating gluten from your diet can make you gluten intolerant after a while. Be careful with it.
I wondered about that, but lacked the personal knowledge to speculate. That's interesting. I wonder if it reverses itself, if one persists in eating gluten? (Obviously, you wouldn't do that - I'm talking about people who might try it for reasons other than celiac or sensitivity.)
I know from experience that, as a long-term vegetarian, if I accidentally eat something with a meat ingredient, I can sometimes have mild digestive distress. (Often, that's how I figure out I ate something meaty, such as a casserole at someone's house: Feel a little weird later in the day, ask the person about ingredients after. For those wondering how one eats meat accidentally: Think chicken broth in something very flavorful. It's hard to taste, even if sensitive/knowledgeable.)
I read a research study some time back, in which the researchers recruited a small group of vegetarians (or maybe strict plant-based eaters, don't recall) and a group of omnivores, all of whom were willing to switch to the opposite way of eating for the study. The point was to see whether there was microbiome (gut bug) adaptation, and if so, how quickly. They were surprised by the rapidity, with quite a material change in types/numbers of microbes in only a couple of weeks. Since some adaptation was fairly rapid in this study, presumably it was also reversible. Whether that would be 100% true of all the relevant microbiotic critter types, whether it would be less reversible if longer-term, etc., I have no idea. I believe there is some evidence that microbiotic diversity can be permanently lost, in certain circumstances.
For clarity: I have no idea whether the gluten effect you mention is microbiome related, or something else entirely. It's just one candidate.5 -
i find that if i have one cookie I am not satisfied until I finish them all
But I can eat one apple or one banana
I think wheat that is processed does not register correctly with our brain
especially wheat and sugar combo
Wheat being hard to resist doesn’t make it toxic. It may be yummy, but it’s really not addictive in and of itself—it’s what it’s combined with that makes it so tasty. You don’t find yourself with a spoon eating out of a sack of flour, it’s when wheat is baked into something sweet or savory with other awesome ingredients.
That being said, part of my discipline is avoiding foods I have difficulty controlling myself around. I never met a tortilla chip I didn’t like ... There’s nothing wrong with those foods, but I have a hard time resisting them. It’s not them, it’s me. 😜10 -
But Gluten free cookies are also delicious.2
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »But Gluten free cookies are also delicious.
Yeah, the thing in my brain that makes me want lots of cookies still activates when I'm eating gluten-free sweets. It's not the gluten (at least for me).4 -
My husband has a newly-discovered intolerance to gluten. For his birthday, I got cupcakes from a gluten-free bakery. They were delicious, but were 600 CALORIES EACH! For what I consider to be an average-size cupcake. I knew gluten-free baked goods can have more calories, but I had no idea it was that significant.6
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^^ Agreed. ^^
My daughter had issues that required her to eliminate certain foods for a couple weeks to test possible allergies/sensitivities. She loves all bread foods, so when she had to eliminate gluten I went to the gluten free bakery to get a couple things for her. MAN! That is no way to reduce calories, I can attest to that!4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »My husband has a newly-discovered intolerance to gluten. For his birthday, I got cupcakes from a gluten-free bakery. They were delicious, but were 600 CALORIES EACH! For what I consider to be an average-size cupcake. I knew gluten-free baked goods can have more calories, but I had no idea it was that significant.
they don't have to have more calories; they just did. maybe it was the frosting or they used a lot of oil. maybe some wheat cupcakes are also very high in calories when bought from a bakery.
i sometimes bake gluten free, and the calories are very similar to wheat baked goods. btw, GFJules gluten free flour is my favorite of the gluten free flours i've tried.
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Nut flours are more caloric than wheat flour, IME.4
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lemongirlbc wrote: »i find that if i have one cookie I am not satisfied until I finish them all
But I can eat one apple or one banana
I think wheat that is processed does not register correctly with our brain
especially wheat and sugar combo
As mentioned, cookies have a lot more to them than just wheat. Would you do the same with plain bread? If you ate a slice of plain bread, would you then be tempted to scarf the whole loaf? I just find it odd that you've identified the wheat in the cookie, rather than the sugar, butter, egg, whatever whatever.springlering62 wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »One of the funniest things about women's magazines is the diet in the middle and the next few pages are loaded to the gills with recipes for every dessert under the sun. Slick marketing tricks everywhere you look. The hook in the jaw is the brand new diet. The excitement never ends.
I bought a women’s magazine the other day for the first time in years and am still traumatized by the recipes. Browned Butter Chocolate Chip Cookies? Oh, my.
I could eat my weight in frozen blueberries topped with blueberry balsamic. No wheat there. There’s nothing magic about wheat (unless you’re medically prevented).
I still eat bread but not gobs of it. Although I do recollect telling hubs at dinner tonight, as I stared dreamily into space and savored every bite, “Nothing beats a piece of buttered homemade bread.”
I used to bake bread and could eat at least half a (full size) loaf. I didn't eat it plain though, but dripping with butter, and sometimes sugar.4 -
springlering62 wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »One of the funniest things about women's magazines is the diet in the middle and the next few pages are loaded to the gills with recipes for every dessert under the sun. Slick marketing tricks everywhere you look. The hook in the jaw is the brand new diet. The excitement never ends.
I bought a women’s magazine the other day for the first time in years and am still traumatized by the recipes. Browned Butter Chocolate Chip Cookies? Oh, my.
I could eat my weight in frozen blueberries topped with blueberry balsamic. No wheat there. There’s nothing magic about wheat (unless you’re medically prevented).
I still eat bread but not gobs of it. Although I do recollect telling hubs at dinner tonight, as I stared dreamily into space and savored every bite, “Nothing beats a piece of buttered homemade bread.”
America's Test Kitchen's "Food Processor Perfection" has a recipe for Chocolate Chip Cookies in which the butter is browned. My OH calls them "World's Best Chocolate Chip Cookies."
I stopped making them for a while because I was unable to moderate them. Also because this recipe is fussy and takes about 90 minutes (with clean up by hand.)
I am making them today though. It's a rainy day and I'm unemployed.
My overeating pattern used to be to eat the whole container of ice cream or tons of cookies in one sitting. Now I seem to overeat like a post WLS patient who gains weight back despite the smaller stomach - calorie dense foods at frequent intervals.
To help me moderate them I will put the tin of cookies out of site, the ones that get frozen in the downstairs freezer, budget for them, and otherwise try to put them out of my mind.4 -
Aside from ditto to what everyone else has said, I wanted to echo that gluten free has nothing to do with weight loss. I assume you are thinking you will eat less calories? I think a lot of people think gluten free, organic, ancient grains, things that sound "healthy" mean they are good for weight loss or have less calories, but it's really apples and oranges (or oreos and rice crisps). If you really want to see if gluten affects you, that is one thing, but if you are doing it for weight loss I'm not sure going gluten free will affect your ability to have a calorie deficit.7
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rhenry2424_ wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »
The continual audacity @NovusDies displays, summing up so many of us with so few words!
Going to have to agree, it is because they are all gone!!!!! lol
When I eat something I enjoy, I tend to repeat the action of eating more trying to re-create that first initial response to it. It isn't because I am hungry or still have the craving. It is recreating that first initial bite and taste.
Also, I am Celiac-newer diagnosis. It is tough, I still can't completely eliminate from my diet and usually end up very sick. Gluten is in so many products that you would not even think about--so many!!!!! To add to the gluten, I can't really eat any type of grain without getting sick (rice, oats, etc), which eliminates almost all gluten-free alternatives. Most of those products are higher in carbs and calories anyways. Eliminating gluten from your diet can make you gluten intolerant after a while. Be careful with it.
My response here is veering into off-topic but I just wanted to say a few words to help buttress your morale. When my wife got Celiac 9 years ago, life suddenly SUCKED. I mean, aside from the fact that, suddenly, eating one slice of pizza would leave her sick for an entire week, with symptoms ranging from gastro to back pain to neurological (when she "gets glutened", she can't think of words and gets tongue-twisted and can't think clearly and loses her balance/falls). Having to eliminate all gluten, first from her diet and then from the entire house, including getting a new grill and stove and all new dishware and glasses, it seemed like we were consigned to hell, and I will not deny that I was resentful that I had to do it too even though I have no problem with gluten. Suddenly our grocery bill was way more expensive and I literally couldn't stand gluten free eating. I literally HATED gluten-free packaged foods.
Fast forward to today and I really dig it. We've learned how to be "truly" gluten free (although we do screw up once in a while). We have our game down with new recipes, and you know what, I love the stuff we eat. Would I like to have a glutenous pizza? Sure. Who wouldn't? But we eat like kings and queens and the stuff we make is delicious. Tonight we're having Greek meat balls on rice with feta cheese and sauce and I can't wait for dinner. Gluten free is doable and can be GREAT. In time you will adapt to the situation and make it work for you.6
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