21 days of gluten free, because wheat is so addictive and toxic
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Well I’ve just made a batch of spelt cheese scones and I’m planning on scoffing a couple with butter whilst they’re still warm. You can go gluten free - I’ll stick to my warm, buttered, fragrant cheesy scones... 🤤11
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Dogmom1978 wrote: »Blaming an ingredient or food is just an excuse. We all make them at one point or another.
My big excuse was stress. I was too stressed to weigh and log my calories. I was too stressed to eat healthy. I ended up gaining over 70 lbs. Then I developed an overactive thyroid. I had heart palpitations and my hands would shake uncontrollably. Lost over 70 lbs with the overactive thyroid still eating whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. If it wasn’t for the potential heart failure, I probably wouldn’t have treated the thyroid. But I did and gained back 80 lbs because of all the life stress, work stress, etc.
Now I weigh and log everything. I eat what I want when I want but moderation is key. Instead of 3 or 4 slices of pizza, I have a maximum of 2. Instead of a bag of cookies, I eat 3. No more excuses and I have lost 25 lbs so far.
You can easily gain a ton of weight without eating the cookies. I doubt you will be able to stop eating them forever if you enjoy them. You need to take control of your behavior and learn how to eat them in moderation. Otherwise, you are destined to yo yo for years.
Yep. I rarely eat cookies or any dessert and I gained a million pounds. Actually outside of a few exceptions the only time I find a cookie compelling is when it is still warm from being baked. I won't even finish one after it cools because I find it disappointing. I will eat a few too many freshly baked but then I so seldom ever have access to them in that state I don't worry about it as much.7 -
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springlering62 wrote: »
The continual audacity @NovusDies displays, summing up so many of us with so few words!
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springlering62 wrote: »
Sums me up with pizza. I would never actually be satisfied no matter how much I ate. My need for satisfaction would just get overridden by how sick I made myself if I had many pies in front of me and I tried to get satisfied.
Every bite is only a moment of pleasure. We always want more pleasure and the only way to get more is to take another bite.
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Re: warm cookies right out of the oven. There’s a vendor that is very popular at our state fair, which would be going on right now if not for Covid. Anyway, they sell chocolate chip cookies by the bucket (literally), right out of the oven. Anyone that bakes cookies knows that right out of the oven is delicious. Cooled off the next day, nothing special.🤷🏻♀️
My thing is pizza. I would get full with a family size plunked in front of me, but I’d make a big dent in it before I couldn’t stuff more in my pie hole.
Discipline, is/was key for me get a handle on overeating foods I love. Just the way it has to be.4 -
I won't join but if you could kindly send all your glutenous treats to me that would be greatly appreciated 10
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i find that if i have one cookie I am not satisfied until I finish them all
But I can eat one apple or one banana
I think wheat that is processed does not register correctly with our brain
especially wheat and sugar combo
Don't feel too bad with all the disagrees (none from me). It is easy to get taken in by some of the internet theories for why we behave the way we do. It is very commonly blamed on modern processing of food and how it does this or that to our brain or our insulin.
You say that if you eat a cookie you are not satisfied until you finish them all. The part you are missing is the part where being satisfied is not actually a thing you must do. You are also missing the part where you are probably NOT satisfied when you finish the last cookie - you are just out of cookies.
Changing habits comes from recognizing that they are habits. If you often indulge in immediate gratification your cravings have increased in intensity and probably frequency. They likely feel urgent and when you choose or circumstances prevent you from indulging there is probably some unpleasantness. It will pass and in time if you keep delaying gratification or sometimes denying it the intensity should lessen.
My cravings were once the kid in the store that got so accustomed to getting the candy that it would throw tantrums if I didn't indulge. I had to teach the kid that it would get the candy on my terms only. Now I seldom even get cravings because the kid figures it is not worth the effort.
I so agree with this. I call it "learning to be a little hungry". Incredibly powerful tool. For me it came with Intermittent Fasting - specifically, the first month of IF, when I was -- I thought -- "starving" after 7 pm ... except that I wasn't. Starving is what happens to people in poverty stricken countries or during a famine. In reality, my mind was trained from a lifetime of overindulgence to have hysterical responses to run-of-the-mill hunger pangs, out of all proportion to the actual "hunger" involved. I learned that you can simply ignore a hunger pang - just ... don't eat anything. As my brain got more accustomed over a month or two to not letting those stupid little pangs rule it, magically the hunger pangs came fewer and farther between, until they all but stopped.8 -
i find that if i have one cookie I am not satisfied until I finish them all
But I can eat one apple or one banana
I think wheat that is processed does not register correctly with our brain
especially wheat and sugar combo
I think the same of Honey Peanut Butter. But it's not scientific. That stuff is crack to me. And I could eat a whole jar of it without blinking an eye. Been there, done that.
But this is more of a volumetric argument, not a scientific one. Yes, our brains react different, I think, to highly process foods -- like fried, sugary calorie bombs -- than they do to fresh vegetables or fruit, which are high in fiber.5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »i find that if i have one cookie I am not satisfied until I finish them all
But I can eat one apple or one banana
I think wheat that is processed does not register correctly with our brain
especially wheat and sugar combo
I think the same of Honey Peanut Butter. But it's not scientific. That stuff is crack to me. And I could eat a whole jar of it without blinking an eye. Been there, done that.
But this is more of a volumetric argument, not a scientific one. Yes, our brains react different, I think, to highly process foods -- like fried, sugary calorie bombs -- than they do to fresh vegetables or fruit, which are high in fiber.
Well . . . maybe.
Personally, I think it's more that our brain reacts in predictable ways to pleasurable things (patterns of activation similar for some non-food pleasures), and the highly processed foods push those buttons, but don't trigger satiation or perceived fullness or whatever we want to call it (whether that's brain thing, or a hormone thing, or what, I dunno - the mind/body duality idea really doesn't work for me, conceptually - but that's a whole other discussion. 😆)4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »
The continual audacity @NovusDies displays, summing up so many of us with so few words!
Going to have to agree, it is because they are all gone!!!!! lol
When I eat something I enjoy, I tend to repeat the action of eating more trying to re-create that first initial response to it. It isn't because I am hungry or still have the craving. It is recreating that first initial bite and taste.
Also, I am Celiac-newer diagnosis. It is tough, I still can't completely eliminate from my diet and usually end up very sick. Gluten is in so many products that you would not even think about--so many!!!!! To add to the gluten, I can't really eat any type of grain without getting sick (rice, oats, etc), which eliminates almost all gluten-free alternatives. Most of those products are higher in carbs and calories anyways. Eliminating gluten from your diet can make you gluten intolerant after a while. Be careful with it.6 -
Aside from suffering with the authentic wheat &/or gluten allergy, you do not become 'toxed on wheat. If you were actually 'toxed your liver and kidneys wouldn't be working.4
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rhenry2424_ wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »
The continual audacity @NovusDies displays, summing up so many of us with so few words!
Going to have to agree, it is because they are all gone!!!!! lol
When I eat something I enjoy, I tend to repeat the action of eating more trying to re-create that first initial response to it. It isn't because I am hungry or still have the craving. It is recreating that first initial bite and taste.
Also, I am Celiac-newer diagnosis. It is tough, I still can't completely eliminate from my diet and usually end up very sick. Gluten is in so many products that you would not even think about--so many!!!!! To add to the gluten, I can't really eat any type of grain without getting sick (rice, oats, etc), which eliminates almost all gluten-free alternatives. Most of those products are higher in carbs and calories anyways. Eliminating gluten from your diet can make you gluten intolerant after a while. Be careful with it.
I wondered about that, but lacked the personal knowledge to speculate. That's interesting. I wonder if it reverses itself, if one persists in eating gluten? (Obviously, you wouldn't do that - I'm talking about people who might try it for reasons other than celiac or sensitivity.)
I know from experience that, as a long-term vegetarian, if I accidentally eat something with a meat ingredient, I can sometimes have mild digestive distress. (Often, that's how I figure out I ate something meaty, such as a casserole at someone's house: Feel a little weird later in the day, ask the person about ingredients after. For those wondering how one eats meat accidentally: Think chicken broth in something very flavorful. It's hard to taste, even if sensitive/knowledgeable.)
I read a research study some time back, in which the researchers recruited a small group of vegetarians (or maybe strict plant-based eaters, don't recall) and a group of omnivores, all of whom were willing to switch to the opposite way of eating for the study. The point was to see whether there was microbiome (gut bug) adaptation, and if so, how quickly. They were surprised by the rapidity, with quite a material change in types/numbers of microbes in only a couple of weeks. Since some adaptation was fairly rapid in this study, presumably it was also reversible. Whether that would be 100% true of all the relevant microbiotic critter types, whether it would be less reversible if longer-term, etc., I have no idea. I believe there is some evidence that microbiotic diversity can be permanently lost, in certain circumstances.
For clarity: I have no idea whether the gluten effect you mention is microbiome related, or something else entirely. It's just one candidate.5 -
i find that if i have one cookie I am not satisfied until I finish them all
But I can eat one apple or one banana
I think wheat that is processed does not register correctly with our brain
especially wheat and sugar combo
Wheat being hard to resist doesn’t make it toxic. It may be yummy, but it’s really not addictive in and of itself—it’s what it’s combined with that makes it so tasty. You don’t find yourself with a spoon eating out of a sack of flour, it’s when wheat is baked into something sweet or savory with other awesome ingredients.
That being said, part of my discipline is avoiding foods I have difficulty controlling myself around. I never met a tortilla chip I didn’t like ... There’s nothing wrong with those foods, but I have a hard time resisting them. It’s not them, it’s me. 😜10 -
But Gluten free cookies are also delicious.2
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »But Gluten free cookies are also delicious.
Yeah, the thing in my brain that makes me want lots of cookies still activates when I'm eating gluten-free sweets. It's not the gluten (at least for me).4 -
My husband has a newly-discovered intolerance to gluten. For his birthday, I got cupcakes from a gluten-free bakery. They were delicious, but were 600 CALORIES EACH! For what I consider to be an average-size cupcake. I knew gluten-free baked goods can have more calories, but I had no idea it was that significant.6
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^^ Agreed. ^^
My daughter had issues that required her to eliminate certain foods for a couple weeks to test possible allergies/sensitivities. She loves all bread foods, so when she had to eliminate gluten I went to the gluten free bakery to get a couple things for her. MAN! That is no way to reduce calories, I can attest to that!4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »My husband has a newly-discovered intolerance to gluten. For his birthday, I got cupcakes from a gluten-free bakery. They were delicious, but were 600 CALORIES EACH! For what I consider to be an average-size cupcake. I knew gluten-free baked goods can have more calories, but I had no idea it was that significant.
they don't have to have more calories; they just did. maybe it was the frosting or they used a lot of oil. maybe some wheat cupcakes are also very high in calories when bought from a bakery.
i sometimes bake gluten free, and the calories are very similar to wheat baked goods. btw, GFJules gluten free flour is my favorite of the gluten free flours i've tried.
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