A life without sugar?
Arizona_C
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For years, much of my calorie intake has come from sugar or simple carbs. Cake, Chocolate biscuits, candy, and strong craving when I’m going without.
I know it’s a bad habit but I keep pushing taking an active step for breaking it. I fear something will fall apart, I cannot imagine a life without sweets. Like not stopping at the little store on my way to work for a Snickers for the road, or skipping cream cakes for desserts. Not to mention the bag of candy I always have in my handbag for whatever moment I feel like a sweet something.
As well I know there are a load of bad effects on the body of too much sugar, and I guess it would all in all be a better feeling to be without those sweets running through the system. I want to take the step and cutting down or cutting off, and would love to hear the experiences from you who have managed.
Do you feel better physically, has it been good for your skin? I guess it’s good in terms of weight regulation as well, still I’m in a healthy weight range so this is of little importance to me but maybe to others.
Thank you ever so much for sharing on this topic!
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Learning to moderate all foods is what works for me. It’s hard adhering to denying any food so I try limiting everything to fit in my calorie budget. Doesn’t always work, but I try, and it would never work long term for me to cut out any food I love.13
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A life with adequate protein, healthy fats, and lotsa veggies/fruits, at a calorie level that gets me at a healthy weight and keeps me there . . . that makes me feel better physically. Lots better.
Once that's happening, how much sugar I get isn't important. I grant, if getting all that good stuff in my eating at sensible calories, there isn't much room for huge amounts of added sugar. (If I did an endurance sport, there'd be room for more, BTW.)
I'm sure I eat less sugar than I used to . . . but getting good well rounded nutrition into my eating is more important than getting any particular thing out of it. YMMV.14 -
For years, much of my calorie intake has come from sugar or simple carbs. Cake, Chocolate biscuits, candy, and strong craving when I’m going without.
What does the rest of your diet look like? When you say "much" of your calorie intake comes from the high calorie, nutrient poor items you mention and you are at a normal weight you may not be getting adequate nutrition unless (as @AnnPT77 mentions above) you do a lot of exercise and/or have a very physically active job.2 -
I have not cut out sugar completely. But it is much more moderate than it used to be. I have noticed a significant difference in the roller coaster of energy levels - the highs and the crashes. I used to think it was normal to feel *kitten* for a good part of every day - thought that was what life is like. Nowadays I still have sugary treats every day but nowhere near the amount I used to. I also notice that I enjoy them much more because I know this is the only thing I am having today, so I really savour it.3
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I’m a firm believer in eating what I want when I want (in moderation). For many people going with extremes ends in them giving up pretty quickly. There is only so long one can deny themselves the foods they enjoy before they cave.
I allow myself dessert every single night. I try to make it fit into my calorie goal, but sometimes I go over. I don’t worry about it because overall I stay at goal and lose consistently.
Ultimately, you have to find what works for you. Just some tips from 1 person who tried the all or nothing method and failed miserably many many times before I finally acknowledged that would never work for me. 😊11 -
Can´t speak for others. But I was always worried if I could give up sugary things, since I seemed to have more cravings than others. I thought it would be a fight against cravings whole day every day. But it is not, the cravings did go down once I got some good food in. And I can still have some sweets every now and then within in my calories. I rarely have unplanned cravings I couldn´t satisfy with a bite of dark chocolate, or something else for under 150 calories.
My skin didn´t clear up at the start, on the contrary, I started getting pimples in weird places, like on my back, forearm, ear lobe, neck and in the middle of my thigh. That was a weird phase.
Energy is definitely up.0 -
I'm doing things like Dogmom does. Moderation, and I have a lovely dessert every evening, and a piece of fruit or some yogurt between lunch and dinner to keep me happy. Works for me.4
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Self confessed chocoholic here and I gave up sugar a few years ago. It’s surprising how your tastes change in n such a short time , if I have something with a lot of sugar in it it’s way too sickly sweet now. Surprisingly there are so many things without sugar in them that are sweet to taste and satisfying 👍4
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i eat what i want, as long as I can make it fit in my calorie goals. lost 130 pounds that way.
unless you are diabetic or insulin resistant, there is really nothing wrong with sugar or carbs, especially if you are already in a healthy weight range.
look at my diary. normal foods. plenty of sweets LOL
I don't believe the 'sugar addiction' spiel. can it be a bad habit, sure. like lots of things. can you get USED to it and even crave it? absolutely. trust me, id take a peanut butter cup over a bowl of grapes any day, but I ALSO know that doing so, isn't going to do me any favors, and I can get full on some grapes, and just want more reeses with the peanut butter cups LOLOL8 -
I answered your other thread on this topic. The thing that strikes me is why is the alternative a life without sugar? Why not log and see if there are ways that your diet can be improved. If you are right about the amount of added sugar or lower nutrient foods you are eating, that could well be something to cut down on, but as Ann indicated there are lots of other important aspects to having a good diet: enough vegetables, enough fiber, enough protein, enough healthy fats, for just some examples. If you are eating a calorie-appropriate diet (as you are if your weight is fine) and really are eating a ton of dessert-type foods, you would probably benefit from making a tradeoff for foods that supply some of these other items, and IMO that's a more sensible health and nutrition focus that all or sugar or none.7
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I would be a wreck if I couldn't have my candy. My (adult) kids gave me so much candy this holiday season, I won't have to buy my after-lunch-sweet until summer, at the earliest. I log what I want, then I eat it. Seeing the number helps me to see if I really want 1 or 2 peppermint patties, or if I'd rather suck on a hard candy (or three). I'm not someone who can give up anything I love. I drink my coffee with half and half even though all five of my sisters drink theirs with skim milk (because it's "healthier"). Healthy for me means "some." I don't get as much as I want, but I'm also not six years old, so I tell myself to deal with it8
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The cravings have lessened considerably and I feel fine, but as far as I'm concerned, life is just too short to give up treats forever. I've tried to find sweets that fit my goals better, like higher quality dark chocolate, for example. Lower in calories and sugar than an equivalent milk chocolate and I've found it's more satisfying, so I want less of it.
I also have some almonds with either very very thin (usually dark) chocolate coatings or some powdered flavorings.
That said, I have problem foods like a lot of people do. Ice cream is a weakness for me, so I just can't keep it around. So far I have not found a useful substitute for that and have had mixed success with getting just a single serving at a time. If that's how you are with sugar in general, it might be good to cut it out entirely for a few weeks until you've adjusted a bit.5 -
I think it’s important to think long-term. Is this something you can do long-term? Will you be happy or miserable always depriving yourself?
Some people can do fine without sweets and don’t crave much of it. That’s awesome but if you do enjoy sweets, why not treat yourself every now and then? As stated previously, life is too short to not indulge every once in a while.
I think completely cutting sugar out if it’s something you enjoy, is not something that is sustainable long-term. Maybe reducing your sugar intake would be a good start.
Of course you know yourself better than anyone, so decide on something you know you can stick with while keeping healthy choices and alternatives in mind. Do what works best for you living a healthier and happier lifestyle long-term 😊
Also, sometimes when we deprive ourselves of something we love, we end up binge eating and eating much more of that during a moment of weakness and hunger. Maybe start off with baby steps? Best of luck!
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So, you are not overweight. you don't mention the sugar is making you feel lousy.
You mention you enjoy the ritual of stopping off for a treat. You didn't mention you have health problems or bad reports from your doctor.
So, you are healthy... feel good...and enjoy your sweet life ? But have a need to cut sugar out of your life because (society says you should?) ? Do you see where I'm going with this.
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I'm a sugar fiend. If it really were true that to lose weight I'd have to give up sugar completely, then I'd just be fat forever. Luckily, though, that isn't true or necessary.
I love my candy...chocolate..cake. A table full of all you can eat desserts, like our usual family Thanksgiving, gets ugly pretty quickly.
It is worth noting for me, though, that the sugar cravings usually hit under certain conditions. ToM is the worst one, but stressful situations also trigger cravings pretty badly. I guess that's the thing to ask...are these truly cravings you have, or is it something tasty to eat out of boredom/stress/ other triggers? Do you have other things to enjoy during downtime to keep you (distracted) occupied?
Here are what works for me:
Eating less sweets, or limiting it to one or two a day, tends to help me want it less...also, getting enough fat and protein, especially protein, and dark leafy greens in my diet lessens my want for sugar. Put your focus on a richly nutritious diet (getting enough vitamins,
fats, proteins, servings of vegetables..) and then fill in remaining calories with sweets. Mindful eating is effective too...see how long you can savor the treat. Take small bites and really take time to enjoy what you're eating. Drinking tea can help, too. Another thing to try when a craving hits is eating pickles! I don't know why, but sometimes it works.
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I eat waaaaaaaaaaaaay less sugar than I did before I started dieting, which was well over a year ago. I still have small treats (like a piece or two of Dove chocolate, 44 calories each), but no mega-fests of ice cream and sacks of chocolate kisses and the like. My overall observation would be that I feel WAAAAAY better without the sugar. No sugar crashes, less need to nap, more even energy level and mood - it's all been upside for me. I hope to never revert to old habits, because I feel much better with the new ones.6
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I eat waaaaaaaaaaaaay less sugar than I did before I started dieting, which was well over a year ago. I still have small treats (like a piece or two of Dove chocolate, 44 calories each), but no mega-fests of ice cream and sacks of chocolate kisses and the like. My overall observation would be that I feel WAAAAAY better without the sugar. No sugar crashes, less need to nap, more even energy level and mood - it's all been upside for me. I hope to never revert to old habits, because I feel much better with the new ones.
I used to want to nap every afternoon. I don't remember what I was eating back then, but I'm sure I was getting way to many carbs in relationship to protein, and was trying to get a pick-me-up though candy bars, which would just make things worse.3 -
I've tried to give up sugar in the past when I found out I had PCOS. It did not go well. I developed orthorexia and was scared to eat foods and ended up crying everyday and feeling guilty about anything I put into my mouth.
Now I have sugar, a little more than in moderation I would say, and I feel at peace... I reach my goals, my skin and body is great, I focus on protein, vegetables, fibre, and if I have room for sugar I have it and never limit it. I am happy.
You have to find what works for you. For some people moderation is not something that they can do, or it can take time to reach that point.9 -
I find the idea that anyone overweight has megafests of sugar super annoying. I do think anyone who thinks they overeat sugar should log and find out (or just write down what they eat), and cut down if necessary. I cut out added sugar quite easily and then ate dessert within my cals quite easily (I pretty much only eat whole foods otherwise and only bake at holidays, so know what my added sugar was). I subsequently lost my sweet tooth entirely in 2019 and managed to gain about 15 lbs during 2020 due to inactivity and stress eating despite no desire for added sugar. I am capable of overeating without sugar, and capable of eating reasonable amounts with some sugar.
While I do think some people in the US (especially women) may have overly carb focused diets, the actual cals and macros of the SAD does not at all suggest the average American eats too little protein and fat.8 -
A huge thank you for your posts on the topic, it has helped me looking at the high sugar intake otherwise.
@Theoldguy1, I guess I should take a look at the rest of my diet, once the subject is up. I have a protein shake for breakfast (50g protein), often rice/ broccoli for lunch and bulgur/green beans for dinner. And two slices of toast with butter and cheese before bedtime, which isn’t the best time for a loaded snack.
And the sugary things all along.
The healthy fats I get in mainly with olive oil at my meals and salmon occasionally.
I am aware that some simple things could make my diet healthier – trading down the sugar to add more fruit and complex carbs, adding different protein and healthy fat sources, etc. In that way, it isn’t that Im ignorant to the fact that too much of my calorie intake comes from sugar where other sources would be better.
Its more that I cannot manage to cut sugar, in form of candy, etc, out. And I have tried to lower it multiple times, making deals with myself to stick to a reasonable quantity, for shortly after rave around in the cupboards to see what I can find otherwise.
The love the notion of ‘enjoying reasonable quantities’. In periods it has worked for me but not at the moment. There is too much going on around me and I don’t have the quiet time I need to keep the fine balance.
@elisa123gal, I feel terrible about it. I feel bloated, uncomfortable in my skin, and I have the feeling I am letting myself down. My sugar eating doesn’t correspond to the life I wish, and the feeling of dependence is getting to me.
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A huge thank you for your posts on the topic, it has helped me looking at the high sugar intake otherwise.
@Theoldguy1, I guess I should take a look at the rest of my diet, once the subject is up. I have a protein shake for breakfast (50g protein), often rice/ broccoli for lunch and bulgur/green beans for dinner. And two slices of toast with butter and cheese before bedtime, which isn’t the best time for a loaded snack.
And the sugary things all along.
The healthy fats I get in mainly with olive oil at my meals and salmon occasionally.
I am aware that some simple things could make my diet healthier – trading down the sugar to add more fruit and complex carbs, adding different protein and healthy fat sources, etc. In that way, it isn’t that Im ignorant to the fact that too much of my calorie intake comes from sugar where other sources would be better.
Its more that I cannot manage to cut sugar, in form of candy, etc, out. And I have tried to lower it multiple times, making deals with myself to stick to a reasonable quantity, for shortly after rave around in the cupboards to see what I can find otherwise.
The love the notion of ‘enjoying reasonable quantities’. In periods it has worked for me but not at the moment. There is too much going on around me and I don’t have the quiet time I need to keep the fine balance.
@elisa123gal, I feel terrible about it. I feel bloated, uncomfortable in my skin, and I have the feeling I am letting myself down. My sugar eating doesn’t correspond to the life I wish, and the feeling of dependence is getting to me.
So, how is your protein level overall? I'm not seeing a lot in there (especially not much high quality in EAA terms), other than your protein supplement. A few grams in the cheese (8g P per ounce of cheese would be on the high side for cheese), a bit in the grains/green beans/broccoli (but those are not great quality or high amounts). That seems like it may not add up to a lot, for an active/athletic person. (I'm vegetarian, eating 100g protein at 5'5", for context.) If the salmon is infrequent, that's not a big factor, healthful though salmon may be.
Variety in your veggies, maybe add some fruit, more protein, consider avocados/nuts/seeds as other fat sources - could help you nutritionally. Sometimes sub-par nutrition can express as energy cravings. (Doesn't apply to everyone, but I found that eating plenty of fruit cut my cravings for less nutrient-dense sweets. I've seen others say the same.)
Have you ever tried focusing on *increasing* overall nutrition, rather than on *decreasing* snacks you think aren't good for you?9 -
A huge thank you for your posts on the topic, it has helped me looking at the high sugar intake otherwise.
@Theoldguy1, I guess I should take a look at the rest of my diet, once the subject is up. I have a protein shake for breakfast (50g protein), often rice/ broccoli for lunch and bulgur/green beans for dinner. And two slices of toast with butter and cheese before bedtime, which isn’t the best time for a loaded snack.
And the sugary things all along.
The healthy fats I get in mainly with olive oil at my meals and salmon occasionally.
I am aware that some simple things could make my diet healthier – trading down the sugar to add more fruit and complex carbs, adding different protein and healthy fat sources, etc. In that way, it isn’t that Im ignorant to the fact that too much of my calorie intake comes from sugar where other sources would be better.
Its more that I cannot manage to cut sugar, in form of candy, etc, out. And I have tried to lower it multiple times, making deals with myself to stick to a reasonable quantity, for shortly after rave around in the cupboards to see what I can find otherwise.
The love the notion of ‘enjoying reasonable quantities’. In periods it has worked for me but not at the moment. There is too much going on around me and I don’t have the quiet time I need to keep the fine balance.
@elisa123gal, I feel terrible about it. I feel bloated, uncomfortable in my skin, and I have the feeling I am letting myself down. My sugar eating doesn’t correspond to the life I wish, and the feeling of dependence is getting to me.
So, how is your protein level overall? I'm not seeing a lot in there (especially not much high quality in EAA terms), other than your protein supplement. A few grams in the cheese (8g P per ounce of cheese would be on the high side for cheese), a bit in the grains/green beans/broccoli (but those are not great quality or high amounts). That seems like it may not add up to a lot, for an active/athletic person. (I'm vegetarian, eating 100g protein at 5'5", for context.) If the salmon is infrequent, that's not a big factor, healthful though salmon may be.
Variety in your veggies, maybe add some fruit, more protein, consider avocados/nuts/seeds as other fat sources - could help you nutritionally. Sometimes sub-par nutrition can express as energy cravings. (Doesn't apply to everyone, but I found that eating plenty of fruit cut my cravings for less nutrient-dense sweets. I've seen others say the same.)
Have you ever tried focusing on *increasing* overall nutrition, rather than on *decreasing* snacks you think aren't good for you?
I have some sort of wire crossed that when I don't get enough protein I want high sugar and fat snacky foods to a point that feels out of control.
Arizona_C - do try increasing your protein later in the day and see what that does for your sugar cravings.
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My husband gave up sugary foods for about a year after watching a documentary about what it does to your organs and health over time. He also gave up fruit juices and of course sodas. He did start eating more fruit than before. He always ate a good deal of fruit, but he went from 3-4 portions a day to probably 8. He also ate a lot of nuts. Those were the foods that seemed to replace the cookies, ice cream, cakes, etc. He also gave up alcohol. He definitely felt better, less sleepy during the day, less sluggish.
I find that the less processed foods I eat, the less I crave them.
You have to find your “why” and own it. Try it as an experiment of “how would I feel if I didn’t eat sugar today?” and take it one day at a time. The “forever” may be what is freaking you out. If you can find a way to avoid being punitive with yourself, you will have greater success.
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kshama2001 wrote: »A huge thank you for your posts on the topic, it has helped me looking at the high sugar intake otherwise.
@Theoldguy1, I guess I should take a look at the rest of my diet, once the subject is up. I have a protein shake for breakfast (50g protein), often rice/ broccoli for lunch and bulgur/green beans for dinner. And two slices of toast with butter and cheese before bedtime, which isn’t the best time for a loaded snack.
And the sugary things all along.
The healthy fats I get in mainly with olive oil at my meals and salmon occasionally.
I am aware that some simple things could make my diet healthier – trading down the sugar to add more fruit and complex carbs, adding different protein and healthy fat sources, etc. In that way, it isn’t that Im ignorant to the fact that too much of my calorie intake comes from sugar where other sources would be better.
Its more that I cannot manage to cut sugar, in form of candy, etc, out. And I have tried to lower it multiple times, making deals with myself to stick to a reasonable quantity, for shortly after rave around in the cupboards to see what I can find otherwise.
The love the notion of ‘enjoying reasonable quantities’. In periods it has worked for me but not at the moment. There is too much going on around me and I don’t have the quiet time I need to keep the fine balance.
@elisa123gal, I feel terrible about it. I feel bloated, uncomfortable in my skin, and I have the feeling I am letting myself down. My sugar eating doesn’t correspond to the life I wish, and the feeling of dependence is getting to me.
So, how is your protein level overall? I'm not seeing a lot in there (especially not much high quality in EAA terms), other than your protein supplement. A few grams in the cheese (8g P per ounce of cheese would be on the high side for cheese), a bit in the grains/green beans/broccoli (but those are not great quality or high amounts). That seems like it may not add up to a lot, for an active/athletic person. (I'm vegetarian, eating 100g protein at 5'5", for context.) If the salmon is infrequent, that's not a big factor, healthful though salmon may be.
Variety in your veggies, maybe add some fruit, more protein, consider avocados/nuts/seeds as other fat sources - could help you nutritionally. Sometimes sub-par nutrition can express as energy cravings. (Doesn't apply to everyone, but I found that eating plenty of fruit cut my cravings for less nutrient-dense sweets. I've seen others say the same.)
Have you ever tried focusing on *increasing* overall nutrition, rather than on *decreasing* snacks you think aren't good for you?
I have some sort of wire crossed that when I don't get enough protein I want high sugar and fat snacky foods to a point that feels out of control.
Arizona_C - do try increasing your protein later in the day and see what that does for your sugar cravings.
Also increase fruit.
I don't think that's "wires crossed", I think it's one of the fairly common manifestations of how our human wiring works. It may not be universal, but also there may be some limited number of cases (not all) where people just aren't as in touch with how the triggers and the feelings inter-relate (similar to the way many of us who've been overweight don't have accurate hunger signaling in other ways).
After all, pica (eating odd things, sometimes non-foods) is a known symptom of particular types of malnutrition, and not necessarily because the item eaten actual supplies the missing nutrient.4 -
If you're serious about cutting your sugar intake, then you can start from small steps. You can try to take sugar from natural resources. If you see good results then you can plan whatever you feel perfect for your fitness.0
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There's something in getting older. I'm about to turn 60, and for the past ten years I have really cut down on sweets, mostly because they're not as enjoyable as they were when I was younger. I also cut sugar from processed foods (like avoiding bread, crackers, cookies), with only occasional exception. It helps me to eat my carbs and sweets after dinner too. I have learned never to start my day with carbs, especially cereal. The later in the day I eat them, the fewer cravings I suffer. If I'm going to a party or there's a birthday, I plan for that treat by being stringent the rest of the week, and then I allow myself that yummy piece of cake (but only after a full meal).0
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And two slices of toast with butter and cheese before bedtime, which isn’t the best time for a loaded snack.
you can have a bedtime snack. i go through periods where ill have toast and peanut butter while I'm in bed :P
as long as it doesn't interfere with your sleep, its not a big deal (I sleep better on a full stomach!)
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Wow...this is an interesting thread. I normally have a lot of sugar cravings. I have upped my protein and it seems to help with cravings. I am a vegetarian and always striving to get protein since I don't eat meat.4
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Eating more protein means I eat fewer simple carbs/straight sugar. I did not and will not go keto, (not giving up bread -- or cake, or anything else for that matter) but when I focus on eating ENOUGH protein the rest of my diet changes and becomes healthier.
The switch has been interesting to look back on. When I started there was a lot of frustration and being hungry and removing foods and replacing them with lower calorie options (that I also liked) to give myself more room. I'm less hungry now - which is no doubt not exclusively the result of protein, but also just adapting - but way more interestingly I am adding calorie dense things back IN, and STILL have room for a piece of cake.
Don't go on a diet. Learn how to feed yourself in a way that keeps you healthy, satisfied, and enjoying life. I expected to struggle more. I've been a sugar/carb crazed person my entire life, and i wouldn't call it easy, but. i've had a pint of ice cream in my freezer, untouched, for so long i'm going to have to throw it out. Never thought I'd see THAT happening, but I just haven't wanted it.
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