Larger sizes: Why is there no fashion in double digits

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  • maillemaker
    maillemaker Posts: 1,253 Member
    Welp, as the saying goes, you can't polish a turd.
  • __delete
    __delete Posts: 245 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Totally hideous.

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    Now, I have to go shower. I feel dirty for feeding the troll.

    Behold the powers of Photoshop.

    Actually so is basically every image that is published, so this one being shopped is irrelevant. It's pretty absurd to contend that all women beyond a size 12 look terrible in clothes. These women, even if shopped, don't appear to shopped down to below a size 14, which is what the point of the photo. Not where it has been touched.

    Women aren't this flawless at that weight. Without photo shop they would likely have visible cellulite and stretch marks.

    I think what you meant to saw is that women aren't flawless at ANY weight. Photoshop is used on women (and men) across the board.

    No, I meant *this* flawless at *this* weight. I can see how you misunderstood that though.

    Details... right?
  • alliemarie77
    alliemarie77 Posts: 378 Member
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  • pastryari
    pastryari Posts: 8,646 Member
    I don't think you understand. They are plus sized models by high fashion standards. Probably wearing between a 14-18 depending -- the OP was about fashion past a size 12. The ridiculous comment the came after supposed that all folks beyond a 12 are fat and look terrible in clothes. So I posted a high fashion shot of women beyond a 12 looking pretty fab not just in clothes, but in clothes that are usually seen on women who wear much smaller sizes.

    Do it again, but without models in a studio with perfect lighting and half an hour of professional post-processing.

    I responded to you with why your argument is totally invalid, but thanks for playing.

    Funny that in a conversation about real women fitting into real clothes in the real world, you are clinging to a professional studio shot with large quantities of post-processing as your evidence for fashionable overweight women in bathing suits.

    Carry on :laugh:

    Eh, are you actually arguing you've never seen a plus sized woman look good in clothes in real life? I chose that photo specifically because it's a high fashion shot, all of which are shopped. /The end.

    No. I'm arguing that your photoshopped picture of models in a studio does not even remotely illustrate what you claim it does.

    ^ Agreed.
  • kimmie185
    kimmie185 Posts: 550 Member
    I'm currently a size 12 down from a 24, but even when I was a 24 I always found really cute clothes. Not sexy, but cute and always got compliments. :/
  • _Phoenyx_
    _Phoenyx_ Posts: 17 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Generalisation is (in general? ^^) inappropriate and, in this particular case, simply not true. Best example - the pencil skirt:

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  • pastryari
    pastryari Posts: 8,646 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Generalisation is (in general? ^^) inappropriate and, in this particular case, simply not true. Best example - the pencil skirt:

    f9l1ly.jpg

    As others have tried to point out, photoshop =/= real life.

    I'm not saying bigger women can't look good in fashionable clothing. Just saying, photoshop doesn't help the case being made here.
  • kmorales_4
    kmorales_4 Posts: 208 Member
    http://www.fashiontofigure.com/
    http://www.torrid.com/torrid/Homepage.jsp

    I always find cute and classy things here. I'm an apple figure so yes, there's still a struggle cause frankly pears are a much hotter shape, but alas, there's no excuse not to look amazing and hot while we're on our journey to loosing weight.
  • sunglasses_and_ocean_waves
    sunglasses_and_ocean_waves Posts: 2,757 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Generalisation is (in general? ^^) inappropriate and, in this particular case, simply not true. Best example - the pencil skirt:

    f9l1ly.jpg


    Well, I think the woman on the left looks better, but that's a much better skirt than the lane bryant high waister.

    Who cares what the guy who said "nothing looks good on fat people" thinks? He's probably the type who reads this board with his pants around his ankles.
  • devil_in_a_blue_dress
    devil_in_a_blue_dress Posts: 5,214 Member
    I don't think you understand. They are plus sized models by high fashion standards. Probably wearing between a 14-18 depending -- the OP was about fashion past a size 12. The ridiculous comment the came after supposed that all folks beyond a 12 are fat and look terrible in clothes. So I posted a high fashion shot of women beyond a 12 looking pretty fab not just in clothes, but in clothes that are usually seen on women who wear much smaller sizes.

    Do it again, but without models in a studio with perfect lighting and half an hour of professional post-processing.

    I responded to you with why your argument is totally invalid, but thanks for playing.

    Funny that in a conversation about real women fitting into real clothes in the real world, you are clinging to a professional studio shot with large quantities of post-processing as your evidence for fashionable overweight women in bathing suits.

    Carry on :laugh:

    Eh, are you actually arguing you've never seen a plus sized woman look good in clothes in real life? I chose that photo specifically because it's a high fashion shot, all of which are shopped. /The end.

    No. I'm arguing that your photoshopped picture of models in a studio does not even remotely illustrate what you claim it does.

    I am not going to use a photo of a "real" person. That's just rude.
  • sbbhbm
    sbbhbm Posts: 1,312 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Generalisation is (in general? ^^) inappropriate and, in this particular case, simply not true. Best example - the pencil skirt:

    f9l1ly.jpg

    I don't think that illustration helps. The thin woman looks far more like a pencil... so she would win for literalism.:laugh:
  • pastryari
    pastryari Posts: 8,646 Member
    http://www.fashiontofigure.com/
    http://www.torrid.com/torrid/Homepage.jsp

    I always find cute and classy things here. I'm an apple figure so yes, there's still a struggle cause frankly pears are a much hotter shape, but alas, there's no excuse not to look amazing and hot while we're on our journey to loosing weight.

    I had a friend who used to shop at Torrid. She used to find cute stuff. Although, if I remember right, it was a bit pricey? Not sure. But you get what you pay for!
  • xpinkrockrx
    xpinkrockrx Posts: 48 Member
    I don't think you understand. They are plus sized models by high fashion standards. Probably wearing between a 14-18 depending -- the OP was about fashion past a size 12. The ridiculous comment the came after supposed that all folks beyond a 12 are fat and look terrible in clothes. So I posted a high fashion shot of women beyond a 12 looking pretty fab not just in clothes, but in clothes that are usually seen on women who wear much smaller sizes.

    Do it again, but without models in a studio with perfect lighting and half an hour of professional post-processing.

    I responded to you with why your argument is totally invalid, but thanks for playing.

    Funny that in a conversation about real women fitting into real clothes in the real world, you are clinging to a professional studio shot with large quantities of post-processing as your evidence for fashionable overweight women in bathing suits.

    Carry on :laugh:

    Eh, are you actually arguing you've never seen a plus sized woman look good in clothes in real life? I chose that photo specifically because it's a high fashion shot, all of which are shopped. /The end.

    No. I'm arguing that your photoshopped picture of models in a studio does not even remotely illustrate what you claim it does.



    Looool go figure that people are jumping all over her for posting something positive, instead of jumping all up on the obvious choice..smh
  • xpinkrockrx
    xpinkrockrx Posts: 48 Member
    And btw, I can look DAMN good anytime I want. Went to a party the other night and turned more heads and gained more stalkers than the "skinny" ones. It's about attitude...
  • escloflowneCHANGED
    escloflowneCHANGED Posts: 3,038 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Generalisation is (in general? ^^) inappropriate and, in this particular case, simply not true. Best example - the pencil skirt:

    f9l1ly.jpg

    As others have tried to point out, photoshop =/= real life.

    I'm not saying bigger women can't look good in fashionable clothing. Just saying, photoshop doesn't help the case being made here.

    All the pictures posted so far have been heavily shopped

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  • Tessyloowhoo
    Tessyloowhoo Posts: 504
    Because seriously, there are some clothes that don't look good on bigger women. More cut styles and patterns than anything, but it is true. I would know :P

    Where you alluding to a cut style or pattern like this?
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  • AnninStPaul
    AnninStPaul Posts: 1,372 Member
    That the manufacturers have done so little good fashion for larger sizes is surprising - there should be a lot of money to be made, given the lack of competition. Why would a business ignore a lucrative market?

    As for the modeling industry, per Wikipedia (the article even has citations):

    "While the reputed 'average' dress size of an American women is size 14, the majority of models represented as plus size are between a US size 6-12; therefore the models do not reflect the average consumer size."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus-size_model
  • devil_in_a_blue_dress
    devil_in_a_blue_dress Posts: 5,214 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Totally hideous.

    plus-size-models-v-magazine-2.jpg

    Now, I have to go shower. I feel dirty for feeding the troll.

    Behold the powers of Photoshop.

    Actually so is basically every image that is published, so this one being shopped is irrelevant. It's pretty absurd to contend that all women beyond a size 12 look terrible in clothes. These women, even if shopped, don't appear to shopped down to below a size 14, which is what the point of the photo. Not where it has been touched.

    Women aren't this flawless at that weight. Without photo shop they would likely have visible cellulite and stretch marks.

    I think what you meant to saw is that women aren't flawless at ANY weight. Photoshop is used on women (and men) across the board.

    No, I meant *this* flawless at *this* weight. I can see how you misunderstood that though.

    Details... right?

    Because thin women who have never been overweight don't have stretchmarks and cellulite? Any professional shot is going to be altered -- but posting a non-model photo isn't for me to do. I am not a size 12+, if I was, I would post a photo of myself.
  • jenbit
    jenbit Posts: 4,252 Member
    Im gonna change my photo to a picture of me in a size 14 dress......unfortanitly I dont know how to link it and make it bigger...Tell me how hideous it looks
  • pastryari
    pastryari Posts: 8,646 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Generalisation is (in general? ^^) inappropriate and, in this particular case, simply not true. Best example - the pencil skirt:

    f9l1ly.jpg

    As others have tried to point out, photoshop =/= real life.

    I'm not saying bigger women can't look good in fashionable clothing. Just saying, photoshop doesn't help the case being made here.

    All the pictures posted so far have been heavily shopped

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    I know. Which is why I don't think any of them have any validity in this convo.
  • xpinkrockrx
    xpinkrockrx Posts: 48 Member
    :bigsmile:
    Im gonna change my photo to a picture of me in a size 14 dress......unfortanitly I dont know how to link it and make it bigger...Tell me how hideous it looks
  • pastryari
    pastryari Posts: 8,646 Member
    And btw, I can look DAMN good anytime I want. Went to a party the other night and turned more heads and gained more stalkers than the "skinny" ones. It's about attitude...

    TIL that gaining stalkers is a good thing...

    :laugh:
  • devil_in_a_blue_dress
    devil_in_a_blue_dress Posts: 5,214 Member
    Im gonna change my photo to a picture of me in a size 14 dress......unfortanitly I dont know how to link it and make it bigger...Tell me how hideous it looks

    Thank you! You look wonderful.
  • devil_in_a_blue_dress
    devil_in_a_blue_dress Posts: 5,214 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Generalisation is (in general? ^^) inappropriate and, in this particular case, simply not true. Best example - the pencil skirt:

    f9l1ly.jpg

    As others have tried to point out, photoshop =/= real life.

    I'm not saying bigger women can't look good in fashionable clothing. Just saying, photoshop doesn't help the case being made here.

    All the pictures posted so far have been heavily shopped

    tumblr_mgy8i33akg1s405ijo1_250.gif

    I know. Which is why I don't think any of them have any validity in this convo.

    But posting photos of non-models in a forum like this, unless it is of yourself, is super sketchy. I'd rather have somebody cry photoshop (as if all photos you see of everyone fat or thin, aren't) then have some ahole ridicule a person over what? Some troll on the internet?

    It's absurd to say the 12+ women look bad in clothes. The person who said that quoted the picture and said "Indeed" the shopped version looks hideous. I am not doing that to a person who didn't sign up to have their photo taken and slashed around internet-land.
  • manderson27
    manderson27 Posts: 3,510 Member
    Two real women, not photo shopped I am on the left a UK size 18 at the time my friend was a UK size 20 I think we look pretty good in what we are wearing. Larger women can find fashionable clothes. We are not perfect and I am sure some people might think we look terrible but that's ok we had a fantastic night out and got a lot of compliments.

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  • Headingforhealthier
    Headingforhealthier Posts: 85
    Because seriously, there are some clothes that don't look good on bigger women. More cut styles and patterns than anything, but it is true. I would know :P

    Where you alluding to a cut style or pattern like this?
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    Love it. Shiny upholstery FTW!
  • pastryari
    pastryari Posts: 8,646 Member
    Cause nothing looks good on fat people anyway.

    Generalisation is (in general? ^^) inappropriate and, in this particular case, simply not true. Best example - the pencil skirt:

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    As others have tried to point out, photoshop =/= real life.

    I'm not saying bigger women can't look good in fashionable clothing. Just saying, photoshop doesn't help the case being made here.

    All the pictures posted so far have been heavily shopped

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    I know. Which is why I don't think any of them have any validity in this convo.

    But posting photos of non-models in a forum like this, unless it is of yourself, is super sketchy. I'd rather have somebody cry photoshop (as if all photos you see of everyone fat or thin, aren't) then have some ahole ridicule a person over what? Some troll on the internet?

    It's absurd to say the 12+ women look bad in clothes. The person who said that quoted the picture and said "Indeed" the shopped version looks hideous. I am not doing that to a person who didn't sign up to have their photo taken and slashed around internet-land.

    Nobody said you had to. You were the one who had a desire to prove one troll's opinion wrong.

    I didn't say you should post pics of random un-shopped women. Just said that posted shopped women doesn't HELP or VALIDATE your point. That's all. No one here is arguing with you (besides that first poster who obviously did it to start drama) that plus size women can't look good in clothes.
  • skinnyinnotime
    skinnyinnotime Posts: 4,078 Member
    And btw, I can look DAMN good anytime I want. Went to a party the other night and turned more heads and gained more stalkers than the "skinny" ones. It's about attitude...

    Yet in your profile your inspiration is "All of the cute clothes I wish I could wear!"
  • DashDeV
    DashDeV Posts: 545 Member
    Two real women, not photo shopped I am on the left a UK size 18 at the time my friend was a UK size 20 I think we look pretty good in what we are wearing. Larger women can find fashionable clothes. We are not perfect and I am sure some people might think we look terrible but that's ok we had a fantastic night out and got a lot of compliments.

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    Love the black and white dress.. can't see the shoes though so this pic is pretty useless.
  • liquidjem
    liquidjem Posts: 138 Member
    Im gonna change my photo to a picture of me in a size 14 dress......unfortanitly I dont know how to link it and make it bigger...Tell me how hideous it looks

    It looks cute and can I borrow it? :)

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