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What is one fitness topic that is accepted by everyone? (I don't think there is one)
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Can we agree walking burns more calories than sleeping?
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Hey, if I have a super-active dream life, are you tryna tell me that doesn't count for calories?!? TF!
Besides, we burn a higher percentage of our calories from fat during sleep compared to almost anything else we do. Therefore, by the rules of comparative percentages for people who really aren't really very good at math, we burn more fat when we're sleeping than at any other time. It's just like EPOC: Bigger percent, waaaay better.A 6'10, 370 lb man could burn more cals in an hour of sleeping than a 5'0, 90 lb woman does in an hour of slow walking. (Just to play devil's advocate and all.)
OK. I concede. Against any logic, some people apparently believe that sleeping can burn more calories than walking. So cross that one off the list. Not that I think anyone really believes that, but... there ya go. Maybe I need to put some boundaries on the statement to prevent special conditions from making it false. A given individual, over the course of a consecutive 24 hour period, will burn more calories walking for an hour on the surface of planet Earth than the same individual sleeping for an hour on the same planet.
How about the other one? Lifting a pair of 25 pound dumbbells takes more effort than lifting a pair of 2.5 pound dumbbells. One could also apply special conditions to disagree, like making the lifter of the 25 pound dumbbells a scientist on the International Space Station and the person lifting the 2.5 pound barbells standing on the surface of Jupiter. We also must assume that we're wrong that Jupiter is made of gasses so you couldn't actually stand on the surface, but as long as we're making all these special circumstances....
I guess there really isn't anything we can agree on. I still say the Earth isn't flat and we've been to the moon and walking uses more calories than sleeping and pineapple does not belong on pizza.....
With you on the pineapple pizza. Can we sing "kumbaya" now, or at least go paddle a nice Wenonah, or something? 😉 Oh, wait: We've disagreed about Wenonah models, too, haven't we? 😉
Pineapple is a wonderful fruit, especially fresh, but IMO not on pizza. (It's a hindrance that I don't eat ham, maybe.) There's a guy hereabouts who makes a pizza called "Date Night", with olive oil, seasonings, arugula, onions, prosciutto, dates, goat cheese, fresh mozzarella and a drizzle of balsamic glaze. Since I also don't eat prosciutto, I haven't tried it, but usually his instincts/tastes are good. (The PB&J pizza appetizer/dessert, which had the expected things plus mozzarella, was transportingly wonderful, improbable though it sounds, when hot and fresh.)1 -
(snip)
Can we agree walking burns more calories than sleeping?
(snip)
Hey, if I have a super-active dream life, are you tryna tell me that doesn't count for calories?!? TF!
Besides, we burn a higher percentage of our calories from fat during sleep compared to almost anything else we do. Therefore, by the rules of comparative percentages for people who really aren't really very good at math, we burn more fat when we're sleeping than at any other time. It's just like EPOC: Bigger percent, waaaay better.A 6'10, 370 lb man could burn more cals in an hour of sleeping than a 5'0, 90 lb woman does in an hour of slow walking. (Just to play devil's advocate and all.)
OK. I concede. Against any logic, some people apparently believe that sleeping can burn more calories than walking. So cross that one off the list. Not that I think anyone really believes that, but... there ya go. Maybe I need to put some boundaries on the statement to prevent special conditions from making it false. A given individual, over the course of a consecutive 24 hour period, will burn more calories walking for an hour on the surface of planet Earth than the same individual sleeping for an hour on the same planet.
How about the other one? Lifting a pair of 25 pound dumbbells takes more effort than lifting a pair of 2.5 pound dumbbells. One could also apply special conditions to disagree, like making the lifter of the 25 pound dumbbells a scientist on the International Space Station and the person lifting the 2.5 pound barbells standing on the surface of Jupiter. We also must assume that we're wrong that Jupiter is made of gasses so you couldn't actually stand on the surface, but as long as we're making all these special circumstances....
I guess there really isn't anything we can agree on. I still say the Earth isn't flat and we've been to the moon and walking uses more calories than sleeping and pineapple does not belong on pizza.....
With you on the pineapple pizza. Can we sing "kumbaya" now, or at least go paddle a nice Wenonah, or something? 😉 Oh, wait: We've disagreed about Wenonah models, too, haven't we? 😉
Pineapple is a wonderful fruit, especially fresh, but IMO not on pizza. (It's a hindrance that I don't eat ham, maybe.) There's a guy hereabouts who makes a pizza called "Date Night", with olive oil, seasonings, arugula, onions, prosciutto, dates, goat cheese, fresh mozzarella and a drizzle of balsamic glaze. Since I also don't eat prosciutto, I haven't tried it, but usually his instincts/tastes are good. (The PB&J pizza appetizer/dessert, which had the expected things plus mozzarella, was transportingly wonderful, improbable though it sounds, when hot and fresh.)
The pineapple on pizza was only a fitness topic if you ask what toppings are fit to put on a tomato cheese pie.....
I bet if you could slice some shiitake very thin and saute them then add a little soy and some liquid smoke, you could put them on that date night pizza as a substitute for the prosciutto. I bet it would be really tasty.
I am open to trying many different models of canoe. I'd even try more tandems.1 -
I guess there really isn't anything we can agree on. I still say the Earth isn't flat and we've been to the moon and walking uses more calories than sleeping and pineapple does not belong on pizza.....
Not only does pineapple go on pizza, OTHER fruit can go on pizza too (notably strawberries, peaches, blueberries).
AAAAND to top that off, tomato sauce can be swapped out for sauce made from other fruits.
The trick here is that mozzerella cheese and fruit pair very well together. Man kind still has a lot of exploration to do in the pizzaverse before we reach utopia.
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Pizza place in a city about an hour from here used to make really excellent pies. Seasonal ingredients. A favorite was to get a slice of "Chef's Choice," which was a pizza made with seasonal goodies. Late summer it would include a small slice of corn on the cob. Earlier summer it would include a peach slice. Roasted eggplant sometimes.
But not pineapple. I appreciated that.
The pizzeria changed hands a bunch of years ago, and some people I know bought it. Shortly after, they were involved in a severe automobile crash and faced a long recovery; they had to close the business. So sad. It was a unique establishment.
Putting pineapple on pizza just ruins both the pineapple AND the pizza.0 -
You CAN'T challenge this. If you want to lose weight, you eat less than you burn. You want to gain weight, you eat more than you burn. All the rest are just preferences of people's program to those goals.
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Pizza place in a city about an hour from here used to make ...
Very long time ago, (decades), there was a place near me called hungry howies. They used to do fruit sauces and fruit toppings. I think I was too young to remember if I liked their pizza or not, but this is definitely a thing.
People don't realize that even though tomato is treated like a vegetable, it's actually a fruit.
You can swap the tomato and basil out of caprese and replace it with strawberries and mint, and it's still just as good (if not completely different). Mankind has so far to go.2 -
You CAN'T challenge this. If you want to lose weight, you eat less than you burn.
"This idea of 'a calorie in and a calorie out' when it comes to weight loss is not only antiquated, it's just wrong," says Dr. Fatima Cody Stanford, an obesity specialist and assistant professor of medicine and pediatrics at Harvard Medical School.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories
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Challenged! She lists everything from gut bacteria to medicine interactions. Don't get me wrong, I think she's wrong, but she mentions over and over how calories don't count. She believes just eating healthy and reducing stress is enough, and tip toes around any notion of portion control anywhere in the article.
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dontlikepeople wrote: »Pizza place in a city about an hour from here used to make ...
Very long time ago, (decades), there was a place near me called hungry howies. They used to do fruit sauces and fruit toppings. I think I was too young to remember if I liked their pizza or not, but this is definitely a thing.
People don't realize that even though tomato is treated like a vegetable, it's actually a fruit.
You can swap the tomato and basil out of caprese and replace it with strawberries and mint, and it's still just as good (if not completely different). Mankind has so far to go.
Many of the things we call vegetables are fruits:
Pumpkins, zucchini, melon, chile, eggplants, artichokes, etc.
Many are not:
Carrots, potatoes, cauliflower, cabbages, onions, etc.
Then there's things like figs that are eaten like fruit but aren't actually fruits. Figs are actually flower clusters; those sweet little bits inside are the flowers. Strawberries aren't berries, and they aren't really fruit either; they are a fruit cluster.
None of this changes my mind about putting pineapple on pizza.
A local place that has a wide variety of toppings has things like caramelized onions and roasted red potatoes. A slice with that plus bacon is sometimes referred to as a baked potato slice. Some add cheddar; not worth the extra calories. It's too bad they put way too much yeast in their dough. I haven't had one in years; maybe I should go soon.2 -
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Can we agree walking burns more calories than sleeping?
(snip)
Hey, if I have a super-active dream life, are you tryna tell me that doesn't count for calories?!? TF!
Besides, we burn a higher percentage of our calories from fat during sleep compared to almost anything else we do. Therefore, by the rules of comparative percentages for people who really aren't really very good at math, we burn more fat when we're sleeping than at any other time. It's just like EPOC: Bigger percent, waaaay better.A 6'10, 370 lb man could burn more cals in an hour of sleeping than a 5'0, 90 lb woman does in an hour of slow walking. (Just to play devil's advocate and all.)
OK. I concede. Against any logic, some people apparently believe that sleeping can burn more calories than walking. So cross that one off the list. Not that I think anyone really believes that, but... there ya go. Maybe I need to put some boundaries on the statement to prevent special conditions from making it false. A given individual, over the course of a consecutive 24 hour period, will burn more calories walking for an hour on the surface of planet Earth than the same individual sleeping for an hour on the same planet.
How about the other one? Lifting a pair of 25 pound dumbbells takes more effort than lifting a pair of 2.5 pound dumbbells. One could also apply special conditions to disagree, like making the lifter of the 25 pound dumbbells a scientist on the International Space Station and the person lifting the 2.5 pound barbells standing on the surface of Jupiter. We also must assume that we're wrong that Jupiter is made of gasses so you couldn't actually stand on the surface, but as long as we're making all these special circumstances....
I guess there really isn't anything we can agree on. I still say the Earth isn't flat and we've been to the moon and walking uses more calories than sleeping and pineapple does not belong on pizza.....
With you on the pineapple pizza. Can we sing "kumbaya" now, or at least go paddle a nice Wenonah, or something? 😉 Oh, wait: We've disagreed about Wenonah models, too, haven't we? 😉
Pineapple is a wonderful fruit, especially fresh, but IMO not on pizza. (It's a hindrance that I don't eat ham, maybe.) There's a guy hereabouts who makes a pizza called "Date Night", with olive oil, seasonings, arugula, onions, prosciutto, dates, goat cheese, fresh mozzarella and a drizzle of balsamic glaze. Since I also don't eat prosciutto, I haven't tried it, but usually his instincts/tastes are good. (The PB&J pizza appetizer/dessert, which had the expected things plus mozzarella, was transportingly wonderful, improbable though it sounds, when hot and fresh.)
Pineapple is fantastic on pizza if you do jalapeno as well. The sweet and spice go well together along with the savory of the ham and mozzarella. I could possibly forgo the ham...maybe...but a pineapple pizza has to have jalapeno.5 -
There's a pineapple pizza I like with ham, ricotta, and black olives. Jalapeno with ham and pineapple sounds good also. Pineapple is great on the right pizza.
What I find weird on pizza and don't want are extra starchy carbs -- I don't need starchy carbs on top of crust and thus things like potatoes or corn seem super unappealing. Also whatever this weird dipping pizza in ranch thing that I learned about on MFP -- do not want.3 -
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I would like to humbly apologize for the unintended hijack from fitness topics to pizza toppings.5
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A 6'10, 370 lb man could burn more cals in an hour of sleeping than a 5'0, 90 lb woman does in an hour of slow walking. (Just to play devil's advocate and all.)
Does he burn even more calories sleeping upright on the couch in front of the TV, clutching the remote in a death grip?
(The SO is 6'9", not 370 lbs, but habitually falls asleep watching TV... and just try changing the channel....)3 -
You can’t dig half a hole regardless of your fitness level1
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I FOUND SOMETHING EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON!!!!!….,
Diet scams/spam suck and these people are evil for trying to prey on desperate people.3 -
A 6'10, 370 lb man could burn more cals in an hour of sleeping than a 5'0, 90 lb woman does in an hour of slow walking. (Just to play devil's advocate and all.)
Does he burn even more calories sleeping upright on the couch in front of the TV, clutching the remote in a death grip?
(The SO is 6'9", not 370 lbs, but habitually falls asleep watching TV... and just try changing the channel....)
It depends on what is on TV, of course! ;-)2 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I FOUND SOMETHING EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON!!!!!….,
Diet scams/spam suck and these people are evil for trying to prey on desperate people.
I'm with you but the scammers would disagree!1 -
How about the other one? Lifting a pair of 25 pound dumbbells takes more effort than lifting a pair of 2.5 pound dumbbells.
An individual would not notice the difference in lifting these with a tractor.
How. Dare. You."mtaratoot wrote: »pineapple does not belong on pizza.....
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The most important thing is to listen to your body. I've found that things have worked differently through different stages of my journey, which is why a lot of people have contradicting experiences and advice. In the end, trial and error, and listen to your body.1
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I've always found 'listen to your body' to be rather vague unhelpful advice myself.8
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