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It is low fat but thats why it works the starch soloution instructs low fat. My protein is around 35g a day. Maybe it won't be beneficial for me in the long run but maybe it will. I'm not clogging up my body with dairy and red meat
I did a quick Google search on the effects of low protein and you REALLY wanna worry about the benefits of getting enough and not just worry about staying low fat.
Also, my diet "instructs" a lot of cookies and I still lost weight. 😁12 -
It is low fat but thats why it works the starch soloution instructs low fat. My protein is around 35g a day. Maybe it won't be beneficial for me in the long run but maybe it will. I'm not clogging up my body with dairy and red meat
I did a quick Google search on the effects of low protein and you REALLY wanna worry about the benefits of getting enough and not just worry about staying low fat.
Also, my diet "instructs" a lot of cookies and I still lost weight. 😁
mine too. so much so I LITERALLY have a diary section called ' i need a cookie' LOLOL5 -
It is low fat but thats why it works the starch soloution instructs low fat. My protein is around 35g a day. Maybe it won't be beneficial for me in the long run but maybe it will. I'm not clogging up my body with dairy and red meat
That's going to end up being a problem for you. The minimum requirements for protein are around 50-60 grams (I believe it's a minimum of 54g for women, 58g for men) and it's vitally important that you get enough protein, especially while losing weight, so you don't lose muscle.
If you'd like to make your diary public, we could perhaps suggest ways to add some more protein to your meals? Or, if you'd just like recommendations, some things like tofu scramble, chickpea salad sandwiches (using avocado instead of vegan mayo, for low-fat), seedy oatmeal (a good source of omega-3's and protein), and lettuce, bacon tempeh, and tomato sandwiches could go a long way to making your protein goals as a low-fat vegan while also helping you stick with the diet long-term.4 -
The secret is finding a 'Diet ' that works for you and is sustainable forever.
But it may help to listen to the wise words of the posters on this thread that have successfully lost weight and are maintaining it.
A low fat vegan diet is my worst nightmare!
Especially the foods in the combinations you mentioned!
But if it works for you- great 👍
Maybe do some research on how to up your nutrition because the motivation to stay on that kind of limited diet will dissappear very quickly IMO6 -
It is low fat but thats why it works the starch soloution instructs low fat. My protein is around 35g a day. Maybe it won't be beneficial for me in the long run but maybe it will. I'm not clogging up my body with dairy and red meat
It works because it's fewer calories than your body needs...that's how any diet plan works. This would appear to me...at least the way you are doing it, to be an ill conceived vegan diet. I know vegans who eat a properly balanced diet to include healthy fats (very necessary nutrient) as well as protein (also very necessary nutrient). 35g or protein per day is pretty stinkin' low. One does not have to eat red meat or dairy to get adequate protein...plenty of vegans do it. Even as an omnivore, red meat and dairy are nowhere near the top of my protein sources and make up a very small part of my overall diet.9 -
I'm glad you found a way of eating that works for you but I wish you wouldn't push vegan propaganda. There is nothing unhealthy about consuming red meat or dairy and they don't "clog you up." Your protein and fat are very low, I don't really know what the health consequences of that are, but I would much prefer to have a more well rounded and balanced diet.9
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Speaking parochially, it irks me when vegetarians/vegans fall for the "don't worry about nutrients, just eat plants, they're thaaaaat good" nonsense pushed by some of the veg*n advocacy sites and so-called "documentaries".
(I'm vegetarian, 47+ years now.)
35g protein daily may not be kwashiorkor territory, but it's definitely not a zone of assured thriving. Watch out for slow healing, weakened immune system, problems with hair thinning/shedding, splitting or lined fingernails, muscle loss, weakened bones, fatigue/weakness, poor sleep, mood issues.
Are those things sure to happen? No. But risk is increased.9 -
@Ellienz1 I believe that vegans who make the effort are, absolutely, able to take in all the protein and fats that they need. And they can do so without clogging anything with anything they don't want to consume.
On an 1800 Cal diet, 35g of protein is less than 8%. As a vegan you only run into a few sources of complete proteins, so I am not even sure at your current levels that you're taking in all the amino acids that your body needs.
There has been a lot of research in the past decade that seems to imply optimum protein intake levels are substantially higher than the RDA for protein which would be considered a rock bottom minimum. As in double the RDA, or even more! Yes, I am fairly sure that at >8% you're not even reaching the RDA.
At examine.com you can read an excellent discussion on how much protein might be optimal for you. https://examine.com/guides/protein-intake/
A factual correction and extra explanation re my earlier post:
Lack of complete protein sources is not necessarily a problem if you take in all the necessary amino acids.
However you probably need to intake extra (not less) unbalanced protein sources in order to consume enough of each of the amino acids that you need.
And the sentence starting with Yes should read: YET (not yes)...and <8% as compared to the exact opposite >8% I wrote earlier.2 -
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I seriously need to buy stock in google.
I learn new stuff here every day. 5 -
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Current research suggests that red meat is a carcinogen. Obviously "current research" changes all of the time. But personally I have no doubt that the environment and my body would benefit if I consumed fewer animal products.
All of that aside, I think the basis of the Starch Solution is caloric density and fullness factor. Potatoes in particular, have been rated the highest of all foods on the satiety index. Meaning that a plain cooked potato by weight will make you feel fuller than any other food. Potatoes contain about 350 calories per pound. By comparison, olive oil contains 4,000 calories per pound. Lean ground beef contains around 800. Broccoli has 150.
Most humans on average eat 3-5 pounds of food a day, regardless of the type of food. The idea is if the bulk of our diet came from starches, we would naturally be consuming fewer calories without feeling hungry. Is that feasible for everyone? No. I prefer balance and I NEED chocolate in my life. But it definitely makes me rethink the amount of butter I put on my toast, and maybe swap my steak for lentils every once in a while. The principals in the Starch Solution (and similar programs) are what helped me lose my last 30 lbs. It's not my bible but I think it a good tool. As with all things, to be taken with a grain of salt.0 -
Current research suggests that red meat is a carcinogen. Obviously "current research" changes all of the time. But personally I have no doubt that the environment and my body would benefit if I consumed fewer animal products.
All of that aside, I think the basis of the Starch Solution is caloric density and fullness factor. Potatoes in particular, have been rated the highest of all foods on the satiety index. Meaning that a plain cooked potato by weight will make you feel fuller than any other food. Potatoes contain about 350 calories per pound. By comparison, olive oil contains 4,000 calories per pound. Lean ground beef contains around 800. Broccoli has 150.
Most humans on average eat 3-5 pounds of food a day, regardless of the type of food. The idea is if the bulk of our diet came from starches, we would naturally be consuming fewer calories without feeling hungry. Is that feasible for everyone? No. I prefer balance and I NEED chocolate in my life. But it definitely makes me rethink the amount of butter I put on my toast, and maybe swap my steak for lentils every once in a while. The principals in the Starch Solution (and similar programs) are what helped me lose my last 30 lbs. It's not my bible but I think it a good tool. As with all things, to be taken with a grain of salt.
But here’s the problem; if I eat 1lb of potatoes I will personally experience a massive sugar crash c1-1.5hrs after eating them, leading me to crave more carbs to relieve those horrible symptoms. If I eat 1lb of meat, it will have minimal effect on my sugar levels. Satiety is personal and for me fat and protein don’t unduly affect my blood sugar levels and are actually more sustaining and therefore filling. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a carboholic by nature but a lunch with lots of protein and the right fats will lead to less calories for me than a baked potato. I haven’t read the startch principle but it sounds like it generalises what people will find filling. We all digest at different rates (partly depending on gut bacteria and whether we have IBS, stomach conditions, reflux etc).
That’s a long winded way of saying one rule won’t work for everyone!
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I love potatoes...but eating potatoes and sweet potatoes everyday for multiple meals would get really boring really fast. I would think for most people, sustainability long term over the months and often years required to lose weight would be an issue. Variety is the spice of life and I don't have to eat a simple and boring menu to lose weight...I lost 40 Lbs just fine eating a well rounded, nutritious, balanced diet and having pizza and movie night most Fridays.
The whole cancer thing is also taken way out of context. In general, men have a lifetime risk of coralrectal cancer of 4.3%. Processed meats show a 1.18%X increased risk...so instead of 4.3% it goes to basically 4.4% if you round. Red meat is Group 2A, so even lower. Heredity is the biggest factor in coralrectal cancer. In general, just walking around and breathing our polluted air is a much greater cancer risk than if I have ham on my sandwich or if I have a nice steak dinner out with my wife.7 -
Current research suggests that red meat is a carcinogen. Obviously "current research" changes all of the time. But personally I have no doubt that the environment and my body would benefit if I consumed fewer animal products.
All of that aside, I think the basis of the Starch Solution is caloric density and fullness factor. Potatoes in particular, have been rated the highest of all foods on the satiety index. Meaning that a plain cooked potato by weight will make you feel fuller than any other food. Potatoes contain about 350 calories per pound. By comparison, olive oil contains 4,000 calories per pound. Lean ground beef contains around 800. Broccoli has 150.
Most humans on average eat 3-5 pounds of food a day, regardless of the type of food. The idea is if the bulk of our diet came from starches, we would naturally be consuming fewer calories without feeling hungry. Is that feasible for everyone? No. I prefer balance and I NEED chocolate in my life. But it definitely makes me rethink the amount of butter I put on my toast, and maybe swap my steak for lentils every once in a while. The principals in the Starch Solution (and similar programs) are what helped me lose my last 30 lbs. It's not my bible but I think it a good tool. As with all things, to be taken with a grain of salt.
I can eat a crap ton of potatoes, and not feel satisfied. Protein satisfies me, not carbs. So, your assertion that by consuming the bulk of our diet from starches will make us not feel hungry, is not true. It might work for some, but the sugar crash makes you crave more, and be hungry sooner.2 -
musicfan68 wrote: »Current research suggests that red meat is a carcinogen. Obviously "current research" changes all of the time. But personally I have no doubt that the environment and my body would benefit if I consumed fewer animal products.
All of that aside, I think the basis of the Starch Solution is caloric density and fullness factor. Potatoes in particular, have been rated the highest of all foods on the satiety index. Meaning that a plain cooked potato by weight will make you feel fuller than any other food. Potatoes contain about 350 calories per pound. By comparison, olive oil contains 4,000 calories per pound. Lean ground beef contains around 800. Broccoli has 150.
Most humans on average eat 3-5 pounds of food a day, regardless of the type of food. The idea is if the bulk of our diet came from starches, we would naturally be consuming fewer calories without feeling hungry. Is that feasible for everyone? No. I prefer balance and I NEED chocolate in my life. But it definitely makes me rethink the amount of butter I put on my toast, and maybe swap my steak for lentils every once in a while. The principals in the Starch Solution (and similar programs) are what helped me lose my last 30 lbs. It's not my bible but I think it a good tool. As with all things, to be taken with a grain of salt.
I can eat a crap ton of potatoes, and not feel satisfied. Protein satisfies me, not carbs. So, your assertion that by consuming the bulk of our diet from starches will make us not feel hungry, is not true. It might work for some, but the sugar crash makes you crave more, and be hungry sooner.
Hmm.. starchy foods! Bread, oats, rice, pasta, couscous.. yes, also potatoes every now and then. They really make me full. But non-starchy veggies, protein and fats do nothing for me. But the good thing is: Bread is life!
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musicfan68 wrote: »Current research suggests that red meat is a carcinogen. Obviously "current research" changes all of the time. But personally I have no doubt that the environment and my body would benefit if I consumed fewer animal products.
All of that aside, I think the basis of the Starch Solution is caloric density and fullness factor. Potatoes in particular, have been rated the highest of all foods on the satiety index. Meaning that a plain cooked potato by weight will make you feel fuller than any other food. Potatoes contain about 350 calories per pound. By comparison, olive oil contains 4,000 calories per pound. Lean ground beef contains around 800. Broccoli has 150.
Most humans on average eat 3-5 pounds of food a day, regardless of the type of food. The idea is if the bulk of our diet came from starches, we would naturally be consuming fewer calories without feeling hungry. Is that feasible for everyone? No. I prefer balance and I NEED chocolate in my life. But it definitely makes me rethink the amount of butter I put on my toast, and maybe swap my steak for lentils every once in a while. The principals in the Starch Solution (and similar programs) are what helped me lose my last 30 lbs. It's not my bible but I think it a good tool. As with all things, to be taken with a grain of salt.
I can eat a crap ton of potatoes, and not feel satisfied. Protein satisfies me, not carbs. So, your assertion that by consuming the bulk of our diet from starches will make us not feel hungry, is not true. It might work for some, but the sugar crash makes you crave more, and be hungry sooner.
Hmm.. starchy foods! Bread, oats, rice, pasta, couscous.. yes, also potatoes every now and then. They really make me full. But non-starchy veggies, protein and fats do nothing for me. But the good thing is: Bread is life!
Well, if you are what you eat, right now I'm this delicious garlic bread on naan(?) type thing cuz HOLY CRAP I'VE EATEN A LOT OF IT OVER THE PAST 3 DAYS.2 -
Hmm I can take or leave most bread, but a decent sourdough dipped into an olive oil and balsamic mix - now THAT I could eat tonnes of 😀3
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claireychn074 wrote: »Hmm I can take or leave most bread, but a decent sourdough dipped into an olive oil and balsamic mix - now THAT I could eat tonnes of 😀
Oh nom!
It's interesting though: The TO eats potatoes. And that's really the only starchy food she mentions. Where are the other lovely starches?1 -
claireychn074 wrote: »Hmm I can take or leave most bread, but a decent sourdough dipped into an olive oil and balsamic mix - now THAT I could eat tonnes of 😀
Oh nom!
It's interesting though: The TO eats potatoes. And that's really the only starchy food she mentions. Where are the other lovely starches?
Sweet potato (kumura), pears, banana? Yeah, those have a lot of (inherent) sugar, but also complex carbohydrates (starches), not all of them fiber.
Somehow I get 225g+ carbs pretty much every day, but don't eat much bread (meh to me, mostly), or potatoes, and it's not all sugars by far.
Note: This is not an endorsement of OP's overall dietary approach. Far from.0
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