If you've heard "70% diet, 30% training".....
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I aways heard it as 60% diet, 30% fitness, 10% genetics to lose weight. *shrugs*
100% Diet
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http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article folder/exandwtloss.html There's your peer reviewed study.0
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I thought it was 100% diet, and then you just needed to train enough to burn off the calories you consumed in alcohol.
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I always took it to be related to weight loss, not training as an athlete. If we are talking about athletic training, I'd say it's 90% training and 10% diet.
That doesn't make much sense, then why when I was playing football did our nutritionist ride our *kitten* so much? You can't put it into % when you are talking about athletic training. You just have to buckle down and give 100% to both. No compromise.
When I was playing sports, I ate whatever I felt like eating. Our high school didn't have a nutritionist. You can be the star of the team without watching your diet at all.
I think we are talking different levels. High School years are a bit different then your college and later years.
Yeah, I quit playing competitive sports after high school. I just played intramural and local adult leagues. Then I got married, had kids, and quit doing anything at all. :blushing:
But even now, I won't let someone tell me what to eat. Screw that! :smokin: :drinker:0 -
56% Diet
23% Exercise
16% Genes
11% Beer0 -
I always took it to be related to weight loss, not training as an athlete. If we are talking about athletic training, I'd say it's 90% training and 10% diet.
That doesn't make much sense, then why when I was playing football did our nutritionist ride our *kitten* so much? You can't put it into % when you are talking about athletic training. You just have to buckle down and give 100% to both. No compromise.
When I was playing sports, I ate whatever I felt like eating. Our high school didn't have a nutritionist. You can be the star of the team without watching your diet at all.
I think we are talking different levels. High School years are a bit different then your college and later years.
Yeah, I quit playing competitive sports after high school. I just played intramural and local adult leagues. Then I got married, had kids, and quit doing anything at all. :blushing:
But even now, I won't let someone tell me what to eat. Screw that! :smokin: :drinker:
I quit after college and got married.. Got fat, now trying to get back to unfat. ;-)0 -
I agree with 100% dedicate or lifestyle!!!0
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I always took it to be related to weight loss, not training as an athlete. If we are talking about athletic training, I'd say it's 90% training and 10% diet.
That doesn't make much sense, then why when I was playing football did our nutritionist ride our *kitten* so much? You can't put it into % when you are talking about athletic training. You just have to buckle down and give 100% to both. No compromise.
When I was playing sports, I ate whatever I felt like eating. Our high school didn't have a nutritionist. You can be the star of the team without watching your diet at all.
I think we are talking different levels. High School years are a bit different then your college and later years.
Yeah, I quit playing competitive sports after high school. I just played intramural and local adult leagues. Then I got married, had kids, and quit doing anything at all. :blushing:
But even now, I won't let someone tell me what to eat. Screw that! :smokin: :drinker:
I quit after college and got married.. Got fat, now trying to get back to unfat. ;-)
:drinker:
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I would say it's 100% diet for weight loss. I agree exercising is healthy; it's good for your heart and bones, will help you look good naked and help you acheive weight loss by creating a deficit but it's not necessary. The benefits of exercise are many, but in my humble opinion. it isn't necessary to acheive weight loss.0
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Yeah, for sure lol.Um, I think the 70/30 arguement is about losing weight, not running a marathon.....0
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Um, I think the 70/30 arguement is about losing weight, not running a marathon.....
This ^^ Losing or maintaining weight. Although the most common thing I see on MFP is 80% diet / 20% exercise.
Doesn't work that way for me though. I can eat pretty much anything I want as long as I exercise. But, I realize that is not true for everyone else. It all depends on what you want to eat I guess.0 -
Once again. I have never seen the associated ratio accompanied by "for weight loss". It was always in regard to fitness in general (which includes gaining fyi)
Also, sure to lose weight, it's 100% diet.. have fun burning all your muscle too, and then your metabolism slowing down enough to where you need physical activity to boost it again.
by trying to destroy overthinking and useless numbers, this thread has just promoted it more.0 -
70% of the time you train 30% of your body.........no wait..........you eat 70% of your calories & train 30% of your heart rate.
no no no, I got this :mad: You are 70% water & 30% creatine.............wait that can't be right. I know I will post it in a forum and get
the answer from a certified trainer :bigsmile:0 -
Don't listen to that non sense.
It's 100% what you put into it.
edit- as in, if you want to lose, you eat at a deficit. If you want to run a marathon, you train. If you want to lift big, you train.
Personally, I want all of it.
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Once again. I have never seen the associated ratio accompanied by "for weight loss". It was always in regard to fitness in general (which includes gaining fyi)
Also, sure to lose weight, it's 100% diet.. have fun burning all your muscle too, and then your metabolism slowing down enough to where you need physical activity to boost it again.
by trying to destroy overthinking and useless numbers, this thread has just promoted it more.
I've never heard of that % split and understood it to mean "training"
How would you burn all your muscle if 100% of your focus went to diet? For most of the general population who is obese or overweight, taking in adequate protein would be enough. I think if we all looked like you and we tried to cut with no ecercise we would lose a fair chunk of lean mass but I think that point is moot because without exercise we could never look like that lol0 -
You're right, its 90/10
You can lose weight doing ZERO training as long as your diet is in check.
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My doctor told me weight loss is 80% about nutrition, 20% about exercise, BUT exercise is critical for liking what your body looks like as the weight comes off, and exercise sets you up for greater success in maintaining weight loss.0
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I
never
once
specified
the
ratio
was
about
losing
weight
only
but
thanks
for
finding
a
way
to
try
and
make
me
sound
wrong
Simple point: Focus on EVERYTHING that is going to be the absolute best for your progress - not "oh this is 20% so I'll miss out on ALL the benefits it could provide"
Goodness people, still overthinking. Everyone is a scientist.0 -
Ultimately it's about 2 things - goals and context. Neither one get much attention these days on the forums.
If your goal is to win the next halo tournament (or whatever the current hot game is), then neither diet nor exercise matter. If your goal is to lower your cholesterol, then both matter, but for different reasons than if you goal was to win your next triathlon, but on 20lbs of muscle, or lose 100lbs.
As far as context goes... the lack of it is why many people are confused. Rarely can a question be answered with just a single sentence (i.e. "It's more about diet than it is exercise"). Maybe, maybe not. It goes back to my first point. Rarely do people asking questions give enough context to really allow us, the MFP masses, to give meaningful advice. And even less often do we, the MFP masses, give any context to our advice.
Ultimately, as someone said earlier... the more time you spend reading, the less time you spend doing. Anything is better than nothing, but chances are there's always something you could be doing "better". At some point you just need to put in the time and effort, do what you can do, and take the progress.
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You're right, its 90/10
You can lose weight doing ZERO training as long as your diet is in check.
troll thread
I don't think it's a troll thread, why would you say that? What is troll=y about it? You don't agree?0 -
How is it overthinking? That makes no sense whatsoever.0
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Once again. I have never seen the associated ratio accompanied by "for weight loss". It was always in regard to fitness in general (which includes gaining fyi)
Also, sure to lose weight, it's 100% diet.. have fun burning all your muscle too, and then your metabolism slowing down enough to where you need physical activity to boost it again.
by trying to destroy overthinking and useless numbers, this thread has just promoted it more.
Well it seems you have simply missed it. I think everyone else is agreeing that the saying has been applied to weight loss specifically. I'm not sure how you missed it, but oh well. :flowerforyou:0 -
How is it overthinking? That makes no sense whatsoever.
B.c it's a pointless ratio
The simple fact is - weight gain and loss in very SIMPLE terms, yes it's diet.
but brb making a scientific formula that lets me know exactly how much effort I should apply to each aspect of changing my body rather than just maximizing results by putting forth best effort in each area.0 -
I
never
once
specified
the
ratio
was
about
losing
weight
only
but
thanks
for
finding
a
way
to
try
and
make
me
sound
wrong
Simple point: Focus on EVERYTHING that is going to be the absolute best for your progress - not "oh this is 20% so I'll miss out on ALL the benefits it could provide"
Goodness people, still overthinking. Everyone is a scientist.
Everyone here is DOING. You can do both. If if wasn't for thinking I'd still be low carbing and doing Barbie exercises at the gym. There is nothing wrong with information, discussion and even a little debate. That's how people learn.0 -
How is it overthinking? That makes no sense whatsoever.
B.c it's a pointless ratio
The simple fact is - weight gain and loss in very SIMPLE terms, yes it's diet.
but brb making a scientific formula that lets me know exactly how much effort I should apply to each aspect of changing my body rather than just maximizing results by putting forth best effort in each area.
Why are you taking this so personally lol?0 -
Besides that fact that this thread is spiraling out of control, I have worked on research at a top accredited university doing weight-loss research. It is 80% diet and 20% fitness if you wish to lose weight. Working out just gives you that extra push, but obviously isn't necessary needed to lose weight.0
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How is it overthinking? That makes no sense whatsoever.
B.c it's a pointless ratio
The simple fact is - weight gain and loss in very SIMPLE terms, yes it's diet.
but brb making a scientific formula that lets me know exactly how much effort I should apply to each aspect of changing my body rather than just maximizing results by putting forth best effort in each area.
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^I can't see imgur photos.Everyone here is DOING. You can do both. If if wasn't for thinking I'd still be low carbing and doing Barbie exercises at the gym. There is nothing wrong with information, discussion and even a little debate. That's how people learn.
Oh absolutely. Proper research goes along with maximizing results
But research/information does not equal silly thrown together ratios that promote laziness in one aspect.
I've seen your responses, we're on the same page trust me. Just others are literally putting words in my mouth (or posts?) when I never specified the ratio for anyhting, and even if I did I still was trying to stress that it wouldn't matter. Why lose out on any benefits to accompany a good diet? Just my opinion. I'm allowing others to have theirs.. if you want to follow ratios (notice how much it keeps changing already too, it's now at 90/10 - see my point) then OK. But there is another way of looking at it, and that is what I am trying to promote.0 -
Ultimately it's about 2 things - goals and context. Neither one get much attention these days on the forums.
If your goal is to win the next halo tournament (or whatever the current hot game is), then neither diet nor exercise matter. If your goal is to lower your cholesterol, then both matter, but for different reasons than if you goal was to win your next triathlon, but on 20lbs of muscle, or lose 100lbs.
As far as context goes... the lack of it is why many people are confused. Rarely can a question be answered with just a single sentence (i.e. "It's more about diet than it is exercise"). Maybe, maybe not. It goes back to my first point. Rarely do people asking questions give enough context to really allow us, the MFP masses, to give meaningful advice. And even less often do we, the MFP masses, give any context to our advice.
Ultimately, as someone said earlier... the more time you spend reading, the less time you spend doing. Anything is better than nothing, but chances are there's always something you could be doing "better". At some point you just need to put in the time and effort, do what you can do, and take the progress.
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How is it overthinking? That makes no sense whatsoever.
B.c it's a pointless ratio
The simple fact is - weight gain and loss in very SIMPLE terms, yes it's diet.
but brb making a scientific formula that lets me know exactly how much effort I should apply to each aspect of changing my body rather than just maximizing results by putting forth best effort in each area.
60% of statistics are made up 30% of the time. 0
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