If you've heard "70% diet, 30% training".....
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I agree with the context post. I hope people can see that.
.. except I DO read a lot. Like to think I've still incorporated the "doing" part as well.
The context post debunks 70/30 perfectly. It is a generalized statement that is completely useless
JUST lose weight = Calorie deficit (not 70/30)
GAIN muscle = calorie excess + solid training (not 70/30)
Win a halo tournament = Play a lot of halo (not 70/30)
I'm going to say it one more time so everyone sees - I have never seen the 70/30 meme posted with any specification of weight loss, etc. It was generalized for training/fitness0 -
^I can't see imgur photos.Everyone here is DOING. You can do both. If if wasn't for thinking I'd still be low carbing and doing Barbie exercises at the gym. There is nothing wrong with information, discussion and even a little debate. That's how people learn.
Oh absolutely. Proper research goes along with maximizing results
But research/information does not equal silly thrown together ratios that promote laziness in one aspect.
I've seen your responses, we're on the same page trust me. Just others are literally putting words in my mouth (or posts?) when I never specified the ratio for anyhting, and even if I did I still was trying to stress that it wouldn't matter. Why lose out on any benefits to accompany a good diet? Just my opinion. I'm allowing others to have theirs.. if you want to follow ratios (notice how much it keeps changing already too, it's now at 90/10 - see my point) then OK. But there is another way of looking at it, and that is what I am trying to promote.
The people who are willing to learn will understand what you mean. The ones who aren't will not be helped by this or any post on the entire forum. I agree with you about not overcomplicating things 100%0 -
OP, you're getting too hung up on the made up number. It's just a stupid number. Diet > training, forget ratios.0
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Sorry. You're the one over thinking this. You can't tell noobs to consider everything because thats lame. You have to break it out in small easily digestible chunks. So, coming up with a little saying isn't for you and me, it's for people that don't understand to sort of get an idea of how it all works together. The more advanced you get, the less that kind of drivel matters to you. Just like as an adult, the alphabet song is stupid. To just tell someone who is new to all this that everything matters is like handing a baby War and Peace and demanding they read it.
I love the alphabet song.0 -
OP, you're getting too hung up on the made up number. It's just a stupid number. Diet > training, forget ratios.
Yeah pretty much. I don't think anyone is actually going out there and making their lives fit to that ratio. If anything it's a general statement meant to let people know that weight loss in general is more about diet than exercise.0 -
If your goal is to win the next halo tournament (or whatever the current hot game is), then neither diet nor exercise matter. If your goal is to lower your cholesterol, then both matter, but for different reasons than if you goal was to win your next triathlon, but on 20lbs of muscle, or lose 100lbs.
I'm pretty sure it's been scientifically proven that your chances of winning a Halo tournament go up 1000% if you supplement with Mountain Dew Code Red.0 -
If anything it's a general statement meant to let people know that weight loss in general is more about diet than exercise.
^^ this0 -
If your goal is to win the next halo tournament (or whatever the current hot game is), then neither diet nor exercise matter. If your goal is to lower your cholesterol, then both matter, but for different reasons than if you goal was to win your next triathlon, but on 20lbs of muscle, or lose 100lbs.
I'm pretty sure it's been scientifically proven that your chances of winning a Halo tournament go up 1000% if you supplement with Mountain Dew Code Red.
We always used Adderall...0 -
OP, you're getting too hung up on the made up number. It's just a stupid number. Diet > training, forget ratios.
Yeah pretty much. I don't think anyone is actually going out there and making their lives fit to that ratio. If anything it's a general statement meant to let people know that weight loss in general is more about diet than exercise.
Just because you and other people don't follow it mindlessly.. doesn't mean there aren't people who do and once again, crap on on training and other important aspects. Those are the people I'm trying to reach
and LOL at code red aiding Halo skill. The days man, the days.
Agreed at it being a generalized statement. Sometimes I think people didn't actually listen to me in the vid, I said a lot of what is being repeated in here including diet is MASSIVELY important and controls how your body is progressing as far as weight, etc..
I should have made the video 10 seconds long: "Eat and train to the best of your abilities and forget silly rations". Done.0 -
I agree with the context post. I hope people can see that.
.. except I DO read a lot. Like to think I've still incorporated the "doing" part as well.
The context post debunks 70/30 perfectly. It is a generalized statement that is completely useless
JUST lose weight = Calorie deficit (not 70/30)
GAIN muscle = calorie excess + solid training (not 70/30)
Win a halo tournament = Play a lot of halo (not 70/30)
I'm going to say it one more time so everyone sees - I have never seen the 70/30 meme posted with any specification of weight loss, etc. It was generalized for training/fitness
As do I. Clearly the key to success is 40% reading/60% doing.0 -
As do I. Clearly the key to success is 40% reading/60% doing.
hahahaha made me lol irl0 -
As do I. Clearly the key to success is 40% reading/60% doing.
^ I like what you did there0 -
Well, that's a wrap! Back to the sugar addiction thread...0
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I think the point is you can loose weight by just dieting but there is only so much you can loose before you have to start incorporating exercise (as you gradually adjust to a certain calorie intake)/feel the need to tone up loose skin/flabby areas.
To the people that are thinking of loosing weight without exercise, get of your butt and do some! It is one way to make sure you change your lifestyle, not just your food intake for the next week.0 -
I think the point is you can loose weight by just dieting but there is only so much you can loose before you have to start incorporating exercise (as you gradually adjust to a certain calorie intake)/feel the need to tone up loose skin/flabby areas.
To the people that are thinking of loosing weight without exercise, get of your butt and do some! It is one way to make sure you change your lifestyle, not just your food intake for the next week.
Good point! Adding to that: losing weight with diet alone will make a "smaller" you, but adding in exercise with proper macros, and instead of just a smaller version of you, you can have body recomposition. :flowerforyou:0 -
^I can't see imgur photos.Everyone here is DOING. You can do both. If if wasn't for thinking I'd still be low carbing and doing Barbie exercises at the gym. There is nothing wrong with information, discussion and even a little debate. That's how people learn.
Oh absolutely. Proper research goes along with maximizing results
But research/information does not equal silly thrown together ratios that promote laziness in one aspect.
I've seen your responses, we're on the same page trust me. Just others are literally putting words in my mouth (or posts?) when I never specified the ratio for anyhting, and even if I did I still was trying to stress that it wouldn't matter. Why lose out on any benefits to accompany a good diet? Just my opinion. I'm allowing others to have theirs.. if you want to follow ratios (notice how much it keeps changing already too, it's now at 90/10 - see my point) then OK. But there is another way of looking at it, and that is what I am trying to promote.
Where have you ever seen this or any similar ratio used in relation to training? I agree that diet has less to do with training, but that's like saying "cake DOES NOT improve your chess skills." No one has ever attempted to make that correlation.0 -
56% Diet
23% Exercise
16% Genes
11% Beer
Win. :drinker:
[Except for the fact that the above numbers equal 106.]0 -
Sorry. You're the one over thinking this. You can't tell noobs to consider everything because thats lame. You have to break it out in small easily digestible chunks. So, coming up with a little saying isn't for you and me, it's for people that don't understand to sort of get an idea of how it all works together. The more advanced you get, the less that kind of drivel matters to you. Just like as an adult, the alphabet song is stupid. To just tell someone who is new to all this that everything matters is like handing a baby War and Peace and demanding they read it.
I love the alphabet song.
If you sing the alphabet song while washing your hands with soap in hot water, it will be the recommended length to kill most flu and cold germs. 0 -
WRT to weight loss, MFP is all about calories in / calories out, right? Here's my data over the last 200 days:
Calories in:
488,437
I lost 20 lbs over this period, so that would indicate I burned 70,000 more calories than I took in. I burned 61,864 calories doing exercise over that period.
Conclusion?:
1. 88% of my weight loss was due to exercise. Had I not done that exercise but had the same caloric intake, I would have lost 2.3 lbs vs 20 lbs. Of course, I could have just eaten 61,864 fewer calories and had the same weight loss. But then I wouldn't look like this:
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^ no one specified weight loss. Once again
but good job.
My avi is proper nutrition and training as hard as I can in the gym.0 -
I always took it to be related to weight loss, not training as an athlete. If we are talking about athletic training, I'd say it's 90% training and 10% diet.
That doesn't make much sense, then why when I was playing football did our nutritionist ride our *kitten* so much? You can't put it into % when you are talking about athletic training. You just have to buckle down and give 100% to both. No compromise.
But that's 200%!
Mind. Blown.0 -
And you're officially my new best friend.70% of the time you train 30% of your body.........no wait..........you eat 70% of your calories & train 30% of your heart rate.
no no no, I got this :mad: You are 70% water & 30% creatine.............wait that can't be right. I know I will post it in a forum and get
the answer from a certified trainer :bigsmile:
To me it's about a good balance. Do your best to stay within your macros, don't cry over it if you don't, and go to the gym to sweat out the stress and other crap we put into out bodies.0 -
I would say 80% training, 20% diet. At 41 years of age I lost 83 lbs in 13 months stopping at 8% BF and added plenty of LM. in the process by training hard and an average diet. I keep reading on mfp that abs are built in the kitchen, which drives me nuts because that is total BS.0
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^I can't see imgur photos.Everyone here is DOING. You can do both. If if wasn't for thinking I'd still be low carbing and doing Barbie exercises at the gym. There is nothing wrong with information, discussion and even a little debate. That's how people learn.
Oh absolutely. Proper research goes along with maximizing results
But research/information does not equal silly thrown together ratios that promote laziness in one aspect.
I've seen your responses, we're on the same page trust me. Just others are literally putting words in my mouth (or posts?) when I never specified the ratio for anyhting, and even if I did I still was trying to stress that it wouldn't matter. Why lose out on any benefits to accompany a good diet? Just my opinion. I'm allowing others to have theirs.. if you want to follow ratios (notice how much it keeps changing already too, it's now at 90/10 - see my point) then OK. But there is another way of looking at it, and that is what I am trying to promote.
Where have you ever seen this or any similar ratio used in relation to training? I agree that diet has less to do with training, but that's like saying "cake DOES NOT improve your chess skills." No one has ever attempted to make that correlation.
But...but...but...caaaaaaaake........ because science...0 -
I always took it to be related to weight loss, not training as an athlete. If we are talking about athletic training, I'd say it's 90% training and 10% diet.
That doesn't make much sense, then why when I was playing football did our nutritionist ride our *kitten* so much? You can't put it into % when you are talking about athletic training. You just have to buckle down and give 100% to both. No compromise.
But that's 200%!
Mind. Blown.
IF that blew you mind.... check this out....... Magic School Bus kids are the kids from Captain Planet!!0 -
^I can't see imgur photos.Everyone here is DOING. You can do both. If if wasn't for thinking I'd still be low carbing and doing Barbie exercises at the gym. There is nothing wrong with information, discussion and even a little debate. That's how people learn.
Oh absolutely. Proper research goes along with maximizing results
But research/information does not equal silly thrown together ratios that promote laziness in one aspect.
I've seen your responses, we're on the same page trust me. Just others are literally putting words in my mouth (or posts?) when I never specified the ratio for anyhting, and even if I did I still was trying to stress that it wouldn't matter. Why lose out on any benefits to accompany a good diet? Just my opinion. I'm allowing others to have theirs.. if you want to follow ratios (notice how much it keeps changing already too, it's now at 90/10 - see my point) then OK. But there is another way of looking at it, and that is what I am trying to promote.
Where have you ever seen this or any similar ratio used in relation to training? I agree that diet has less to do with training, but that's like saying "cake DOES NOT improve your chess skills." No one has ever attempted to make that correlation.
But...but...but...caaaaaaaake........ because science...
What if the cake is made with Almond Flour and IGF-1?0 -
^I can't see imgur photos.Everyone here is DOING. You can do both. If if wasn't for thinking I'd still be low carbing and doing Barbie exercises at the gym. There is nothing wrong with information, discussion and even a little debate. That's how people learn.
Oh absolutely. Proper research goes along with maximizing results
But research/information does not equal silly thrown together ratios that promote laziness in one aspect.
I've seen your responses, we're on the same page trust me. Just others are literally putting words in my mouth (or posts?) when I never specified the ratio for anyhting, and even if I did I still was trying to stress that it wouldn't matter. Why lose out on any benefits to accompany a good diet? Just my opinion. I'm allowing others to have theirs.. if you want to follow ratios (notice how much it keeps changing already too, it's now at 90/10 - see my point) then OK. But there is another way of looking at it, and that is what I am trying to promote.
Where have you ever seen this or any similar ratio used in relation to training? I agree that diet has less to do with training, but that's like saying "cake DOES NOT improve your chess skills." No one has ever attempted to make that correlation.
But...but...but...caaaaaaaake........ because science...
What if the cake is made with Almond Flour and IGF-1?
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Well, I just think it is far more effective educating a noob about BMR and TDEE. Those are more concrete numbers than arbitrary and vague ratios.
If I were a trainer, dietician, etc. that is the very first thing I would talk about and not go any further until I felt it was completely understood. That would have orders of magnitudes more effectiveness than saying 70/30 or 80/20 or 100/100. Maybe that's not what they teach in the training and nutrition schools, but that is my opinion.0 -
10% of some people's weight loss has been through arguing on web forums
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