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I believe any diet, with the exception of say diet for bodybuilding competitions, just for show is a waste of time. One of the things I roll my eyes at are people who diet for an event full well knowing that they likely aren't going to continue after it's done. Then 10 years later they are looking at a wedding photo and are 30-50lbs heavier because they only dieted for the wedding.Hiawassee88 wrote: »What do you think about the wedding dress diet. Why do you have to lose weight for one day. That's
just the icing on the cake. Rather than wring your hands over the outward trimmings for a wedding day, why not scale it down. I'm not talking about weight, but all of the extreme measures people put themselves through.
Bridal hunger games won't fix everything. How many start eating it all back on the honeymoon. I don't see the point of giving yourself a few short months to get it all together. Postpone the wedding and get yourself together for yourself. If you don't like yourself now, you won't like yourself down the road when things get really tough.
I don't believe in putting a time limit on losing 100 lbs or 50 lbs or 25 lbs. All of that added pressure only adds to the stress. The body is going to decide how slow it wants to go. Your body doesn't want to be happy for just one day.
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@ninerbuff I agree with you. Dieting for social events can turn into a big flop.0
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Should I go or shouldn't I? Tickets for the 9ers/Cowboys game are $500 and up for nosebleeds. But if I wait 1/2 after the game starts outside the stadium, I may be able to get them at a much cheaper price at the cost of missing the first half hour. Decisions decisions.
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I believe any diet, with the exception of say diet for bodybuilding competitions, just for show is a waste of time. One of the things I roll my eyes at are people who diet for an event full well knowing that they likely aren't going to continue after it's done. Then 10 years later they are looking at a wedding photo and are 30-50lbs heavier because they only dieted for the wedding.Hiawassee88 wrote: »What do you think about the wedding dress diet. Why do you have to lose weight for one day. That's
just the icing on the cake. Rather than wring your hands over the outward trimmings for a wedding day, why not scale it down. I'm not talking about weight, but all of the extreme measures people put themselves through.
Bridal hunger games won't fix everything. How many start eating it all back on the honeymoon. I don't see the point of giving yourself a few short months to get it all together. Postpone the wedding and get yourself together for yourself. If you don't like yourself now, you won't like yourself down the road when things get really tough.
I don't believe in putting a time limit on losing 100 lbs or 50 lbs or 25 lbs. All of that added pressure only adds to the stress. The body is going to decide how slow it wants to go. Your body doesn't want to be happy for just one day.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Yes i agree. This exactly why motivation is really overrated. Motivation is nothing more than a motive to do something, and once its done, than what? Discipline is paramount to success in anything including health and fitness. Motivation can come and go, but as long as one practices discipline it doesnt matter, its gonna be ok.4 -
It's an extravagance to live life between a rock and a hard place. The wedding day diamond and the end of life looking us directly in the eye. Looking back on years lost in the middle is spending chances.
Without our overall quality of health, we don't have much. We're either building on health or tearing it down. Living life between such extremes won't hold us together. It might take losing many family members before the dawn comes to light... health is all we really have.
You can have a rich interior life, but without muscles and strong bones...life isn't much fun. Torn ligaments, worn out knees and hips, back and neck pain, COPD, diabetes and neuropathy. Why wait for your social security ship to come in.
The time to grab life with both hands is today. If you're waiting for the perfect timing with lots of LOL's, waiting for the end to come knocking on your door, you've really missed out. Many may not have been given the tools to manage their health during the middle years, but we have them now. No excuses. None.
Motivation runs out. Jumping out of bed every morning with the promise of another day to live is enough for me. Life and weight and clothes and looks are not a competition for me. The day we stop wrestling with ourselves is the day we really give up. I'm not going out like that.
You've got to have a fire in your belly and a passion to live, live, live before you really starting caring about yourself. If you don't have that, don't get married. Don't put that burden on anyone else to pull you along and UP. Care about yourself and give it all you've got.
We instinctively know the ones who've got that will to fight and wrestle. They're going to make it and they're going to keep it for the rest of their lives. They're my heroes.
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Food Addiction is a deeply felt subject. At this particular time, I don't know of a medical diagnosis. Is there a psychological diagnosis. Food lights UP the pleasure centers of the brain, but so do many other things. Music does that for me. It always has and it always will. Wild critters do it for me. Plants, trees, birds and animals. Their motives are pure and genuine. Even if they're eating one another, it's because they're bent on survival.
There's a fine line between telling others what they want to hear or not..just to keep the peace. Compulsive behaviors abound. Real or imagined, it's probably better to keep your mouth shut. Guess my weight. How do I look in these clothes. How old do I look. What do men or women really want. Humans want validation, but you've got to know when to hold 'em and fold 'em.
Our brains believe the story we tell it. The thoughts we feed ourselves are just as important as the food we eat.0 -
@snowflake954 This is the flophouse, bunkhouse where we can put our boots UP...just mill around and shoot the breeze. I still post a few songs, but I've reined it in and dialed it down. Many, many things have happened over the past two years, but I'm not going to talk about any of them.
My biggest food regret is that I ever started dieting in the first place. I remember when I thought dieting was fun. I looked forward to all of the new books. It was a huge mistake to ever start down that road. Prioritize your health over dieting. Don't go there. Don't start none and there won't be none. Rebound weight gain with friends after every round of dieting...really crushes your spirit.
I've been watching game warden animal rescue shows. Little birds stuck with darts, alligators with hooks caught in their mouths and foxes with legs in traps. I love grizzly bears, wolves, elk, bighorn sheep, deer, squirrels...you name it. I wish humans cared about one another like game wardens care about animals.0 -
Gotta admit, sometimes I get lost reading your posts, @Hiawassee88. It's like I've flipped the TV channel to the middle of a dialogue integral to the show's plot, but without knowing the characters, back story or recent events to make the current moment make sense.2
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This is chit chat. I'm not really talking to anyone but the friends who already know me here. Have a good day, Sir. nossmf It's not necessary for us to have a blow by blow, my friends know the plot and the ending. I asked @ninerbuff for a thread so I could visit with him and Cat, Revolu7, Snowflake954. @Ninerbuff has other threads for his bodybuilding friends. It's similar to other chit chat threads where only the close friends know the inside story. Everyone is welcome to ask @ninerbuff questions. It's his thread. It stayed dormant for weeks, I just bumped it with my thoughts. I won't do it anymore if it gives you a big pinch.0
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LOL not a big pinch at all, just felt unable to follow the thread of the conversation. Turns out it's because I'm not one of the insiders for this thread. Cool, I'll bow out and leave ya to it then. Niner already answers questions in another thread for me, so nothing lost. Sorry for being that annoying little brother who insists on tagging along and ruining fun by asking to be included, lol. (That last thought really amuses me, as I'm the oldest kid in my family, and have witnessed this very phenomena in my own kids.)2
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LOL not a big pinch at all, just felt unable to follow the thread of the conversation. Turns out it's because I'm not one of the insiders for this thread. Cool, I'll bow out and leave ya to it then. Niner already answers questions in another thread for me, so nothing lost. Sorry for being that annoying little brother who insists on tagging along and ruining fun by asking to be included, lol. (That last thought really amuses me, as I'm the oldest kid in my family, and have witnessed this very phenomena in my own kids.)
Don't bow out. We're more than friends now.
This joint is just like one of my family reunions. For some reason, my family feels the need to get together, but then no one can stand each other by the time it's over. There's always a big blowout and it's usually over the food. I'm here to report the last time, they had it out over spaghetti vs. hamburgers. There was huffing and puffing, pouting, people loading up and going home....all about the food. We've had fights over secret cookie recipes. It's just plain nuts.
Truth be told, we're probably related. Six degrees of separation is only four now. I'm related to everyone. It's not bragging if it's true.
You know the debate section. It's interesting to have others mix it UP. They're not trolling. These are deeply felt principles and all of us enjoy bouncing our thoughts off of others. I do. You think my family gives two hoots about any of these things. They don't care. Just throw the food into the oven, kick the door shut and throw it out on the table. Splitting frog hairs over CICO timing and Time Restricted Eating...we all mean well. No one has all of the answers.
Guess I'll pack UP my marbles and go play a few songs. So long now.0 -
To be fair, @ninerbuff didn't indicate ANY of that in his opening post.Hiawassee88 wrote: »LOL not a big pinch at all, just felt unable to follow the thread of the conversation. Turns out it's because I'm not one of the insiders for this thread. Cool, I'll bow out and leave ya to it then. Niner already answers questions in another thread for me, so nothing lost. Sorry for being that annoying little brother who insists on tagging along and ruining fun by asking to be included, lol. (That last thought really amuses me, as I'm the oldest kid in my family, and have witnessed this very phenomena in my own kids.)
Don't bow out. We're more than friends now. This joint is just like one of my family reunions. For some reason, my family feels the need to get together, but then no one can stand each other by the time it's over. There's always a big blowout and it's usually over the food. I'm here to report the last time, they had it out over spaghetti vs. hamburgers. There was huffing and puffing, pouting, people loading up and going home....all about the food. We've had fights over secret cookie recipes. It's just plain nuts.
Truth be told, we're probably related. Six degrees of separation is only four now. I'm related to everyone. It's not bragging if it's true.
You know the debate section. It's interesting to have others mix it UP. They're not trolling. These are deeply felt principles and all of us enjoy bouncing our thoughts off of others. I do. You think my family gives two hoots about any of these things. They don't care. Just throw the food into the oven, kick the door shut and throw it out on the table. Splitting frog hairs over CICO timing and Time Restricted Eating...we all mean well. No one has all of the answers.
Guess I'll pack UP my marbles and go play a few songs. So long now.
*sticks nose in*
It's clear it should be spaghetti ON hamburgers.
Stupid families
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But I already put my hamburger IN my spaghetti...one of us must be doing it wrong! 🍔2
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But I already put my hamburger IN my spaghetti...one of us must be doing it wrong! 🍔
You can't go wrong with spaghetti and/or hamburger. Generally Like don't be gluten free or vegan or something.
I kinda wonder how good spaghetti on a hamburger would be. But that may be me and my not eating much spaghetti anymore because I know there won't be anymore left ever if I started 0 -
But I already put my hamburger IN my spaghetti...one of us must be doing it wrong! 🍔
No, that's not it. Many think hamburgers are the original 4th of July foods vs. spaghetti which only two people wanted. AND, it had to be gluten free noodles. The majority wanted gluten-full noodles and there were so many people, almost 200..without enough burners to boil all of the noodles. When others were asked to boil their share, they said, "Ahhh hell no". I didn't come here to boil gluten-free noodles. They wanted grilled hamburgers. People left over this spaghetti dinner and they are still not talking to one another.
I say, we have to quit having reunions. If no one can stand each other when all is said and done, why bother. Just talk to one another on the phone and call it good. No one wants to talk on the phone. They like texting. I don't. I want to talk and visit and sing and dance.
I can encourage myself, if no one wants to bother and I do. You just happened to read it. I thought smarty pants weren't interested in chit chat.
So I call them on the phone. Knock Knock. Who's there. Spaghetti. They tell me to shut the hell UP or they'll wring my neck. 1 -
Hiawassee88 wrote: »But I already put my hamburger IN my spaghetti...one of us must be doing it wrong! 🍔
No, that's not it. Many think hamburgers are the original 4th of July foods vs. spaghetti which only two people wanted. AND, it had to be gluten free noodles. The majority wanted gluten-full noodles and there were so many people, almost 200..without enough burners to boil all of the noodles. When others were asked to boil their share, they said, "Ahhh hell no". I didn't come here to boil gluten-free noodles. They wanted grilled hamburgers. People left over this spaghetti dinner and they are still not talking to one another.
I say, we have to quit having reunions. If no one can stand each other when all is said and done, why bother. Just talk to one another on the phone and call it good. No one wants to talk on the phone. They like texting. I don't. I want to talk and visit and sing and dance.
I can encourage myself, if no one wants to bother and I do. You just happened to read it. I thought smarty pants weren't interested in chit chat. So I call them on the phone. Knock Knock. Who's there. Spaghetti. They tell me to shut the hell UP or they'll wring my neck.
I'm seeing a lack of hot dogs here.1 -
That's because hot dogs are the arm pit of the nutrition world, with next to no redeeming qualities, no protein to speak of, only empty calories.
Now, chili dogs are a different matter...1 -
That's because hot dogs are the arm pit of the nutrition world, with next to no redeeming qualities, no protein to speak of, only empty calories.
Now, chili dogs are a different matter...
For you and Niner. How would you alter someone's training and food to keep them on the right path? Do you adjust on the fly from your experience. How do you keep your clients from going off the rails after the New Year excitement wears off.
What do you think about HAES?0 -
Two more. Your clients who've lost 80 - 100 or more, do they talk about a low level hunger that lingers on in the background. They're not starving, but there's a hint of hunger...even after a large meal. It's not thirst. There's no amount of water that makes it go away. Ghost hunger.
For those who really struggle and have to gut out every single pound, and they find an extra 500 calories shows up on the scale. It might be a small increment, but they can rarely deviate without consequences that follow. It might take 3 or 10 days, but they can't get away with anything.
How do you encourage these kinds of clients. I encourage and talk to myself, but it takes a conscious decision to do it.
We all know that there's no such thing as starvation mode or a broken metabolism. You can't reset it or restart it. You can't jump start it by dialing down foods or drinking protein shakes. Helping your clients find their balance must be very satisfying.0 -
Hiawassee88 wrote: »For you and Niner.
Just to clarify, but I'm not a trainer of any form, other than teaching my own kids. I'm just an avid lifter who actually enjoys working out, lol.
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That's alright. You always seem to have the correct answers.
I've been told it might take 2 or more years for the ghost hunger to go away. @BartBVanBockstaele What say you? You talk about that hunger.
I know you use lupini beans and vegetables.
What does your research tell you about it. I call it ghrelin blowback. It might be due to several dieting excursions over my lifetime. Some say, it may never go away.1 -
I don't think it ever truly goes away.Hiawassee88 wrote: »Two more. Your clients who've lost 80 - 100 or more, do they talk about a low level hunger that lingers on in the background. They're not starving, but there's a hint of hunger...even after a large meal. It's not thirst. There's no amount of water that makes it go away. Ghost hunger.
For those who really struggle and have to gut out every single pound, and they find an extra 500 calories shows up on the scale. It might be a small increment, but they can rarely deviate without consequences that follow. It might take 3 or 10 days, but they can't get away with anything.
How do you encourage these kinds of clients. I encourage and talk to myself, but it takes a conscious decision to do it.
We all know that there's no such thing as starvation mode or a broken metabolism. You can't reset it or restart it. You can't jump start it by dialing down foods or drinking protein shakes. Helping your clients find their balance must be very satisfying.
I think mindset has a lot to do with it. There are times I feel hungry when I know I'm not and other when I should be eating but am distracted by doing something else to have it on my mind.
What do I tell my clients? There's really not that much to say because I don't really know of any method that solves the issue other than great will power and discipline from the person. What I do tell them is that if they give in, not to beat themselves up and take a step back to realize that giving in too much will get them back where they started. Sometimes the hardship they took to get there gets them to realize that they don't want to blow it by satisfying some old habitual hunger cues.
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@ninerbuff Thank you, because this rarely comes up in the discussions. Hunger-cue-after-care for maintenance. It's there for me, too. I've researched it. Why diets backfire. A year or more after weight loss the desire/hunger grows stronger.
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.00322.2017
I asked you for this thread. I don't believe in diets. All of my dieting excursions were nothing but a big flop. A total fail. I see your dinners over the past week. It's a judgment free zone.
The body's reaction to weight loss shifts over time. At the end of one year, after all of the dieting is done, study group reported a significant increase in hunger. I call it ghrelin blowback. Their satiety or fullness levels really dropped. People seldom talk about. They simply start over with another diet. They might dial foods down further believing it will fix everything for them. It doesn't.
These dieting cycles followed by rebound weight gain with friends becomes a lifestyle. It makes a mess out of everything.
"The good news, according the researchers: A sustained and supportive program of dietary restriction and physical activity does induce weight loss and can help very obese patients keep the weight off.
The bad news: “Patients with severe obesity who have lost significant amounts of weight … will have to deal with increased hunger in the long-term.”
This is why the stats are low for long-term weight stability at the 2 year mark. They're even lower at the 5 year mark. It takes gutting it out and staying the course. It can really sux and blow to stay consistently aware of what you are doing.
When it comes undone, people panic. They throw everything against the wall to find their way back into dieting mode. With every passing day the ground grows colder. They need to stop and turn around. Take a good hard look at what got you into this predicament in the first place. Dieting followed by another round of over-consumption.
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@ninerbuff It's not bragging if it's true. I've read all of your posts over the past 10 years.
I don't believe in food substitutions. If you're eventually going to fall back into the foods you really enjoy, why not make them work for you. I have a cupboard full of dark chocolate bars and I don't give a rat's bass about them. There's potato and corn chips, muffins and cookies. I don't have any fruitcake left, but I lurve it.
I also have a freezer full of fish, fish, fish. The good stuff, from Alaska. Fresh caught and not farmed. There's all kinds of quality proteins and I make my own sourdough bread. My starter is from Alaska and 'Uki' is almost 150 years old. I eat real butter and cream cheese. If you ain't got the right kind of cholesterol in your brain, ain't nobody home. You might end up nuttier than a fruitcake.
People think I'm Asian, they always ask me. Native Americans are related. Thanks again, for answering my questions. You still need to write a book.
And you know, if you ain't around...I'll just keep talking to myself until you come back.
I had a smoked rainbow trout for breakfast. I went ice fishing, cleaned and smoked it myself.
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I'm eventually going to move overseas to the Philippines and my food choices will definitely be different. I don't judge what people eat. Just how much they eat if they are well overweight or under weight. I have discussions all the time with teenage boys who workout all the time but whine that they can't gain weight or are a super hard gainer. And like overweight people, it still comes down to CICO. Most of these boys barely break 2000 calories a day.Hiawassee88 wrote: »@ninerbuff It's not bragging if it's true. I've read all of your posts over the past 10 years.
I don't believe in food substitutions. If you're eventually going to fall back into the foods you really enjoy, why not make them work for you. I have a cupboard full of dark chocolate bars and I don't give a rat's bass about them. There's potato and corn chips, muffins and cookies. I don't have any fruitcake left, but I lurve it.
I also have a freezer full of fish, fish, fish. The good stuff, from Alaska. Fresh caught and not farmed. There's all kinds of quality proteins and I make my own sourdough bread. My starter is from Alaska and 'Uki' is almost 150 years old. I eat real butter and cream cheese. If you ain't got the right kind of cholesterol in your brain, ain't nobody home. You might end up nuttier than a fruitcake.
People think I'm Asian, they always ask me. Native Americans are related. Thanks again, for answering my questions. You still need to write a book.
And you know, if you ain't around...I'll just keep talking to myself until you come back. I had a smoked rainbow trout for breakfast. I went ice fishing, cleaned and smoked it myself.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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@ninerbuff May all of your dreams come true. I'm not moving, but I am sick of greedy real estate agents calling me, offering to sell my place. Don't call me. I'll call you. Like never.
Hard gainers, slow losers and maintainers. You're good at helping everyone find their balance. Your book would be concise and to the point. You convey your ideas clearly. Coherent and succinct. Less filling...words, words, words.0 -
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How do people get out of their heads?
I'm answering my questions with your answers.
Why?
Because they've helped me not to fall back into old habits...over the years.
"People tend to be afraid of succeeding. Because once you get there, that's the measuring stick you use and staying there for many is hard. I believe deep down inside, many know how hard it is to maintain the goal they reach and it's much easier to cave in and give up rather than carry on. It happens in sports or just about any competitive contest as well. You win the championship, and the next time you try to repeat, trying to keep up the same hunger and fight to attain it again usually isn't as strong. It's why many teams who win don't end up repeating.
It's so easy to get out of routine and if you do it long enough, getting back to it takes some good effort. And especially as we age, it doesn't get easier as well."
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Once upon a time, I thought TRE was da bomb. It's not a flop, but it doesn't fix everything. Latest studies...https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/JAHA.122.026484#d2071692e1
2023
"Our findings did not support the use of time‐restricted eating as a strategy for long‐term weight loss in a general medical population."
Alrighty then. Way back when, you said and you were right.
"Realistically, if this held so true, then all the countries where people eat well after 5pm should have the same obesity issues as US, England, etc. While I find the study interesting, I'm betting the impact of actual weight gain is likely minimal if the diets are exactly the same but eaten at different times. Let's face it, it's OVERALL CALORIES eaten in a day that matters most."
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Why does wine make you lard UP?
I didn't have extra food or snacks with it, but it always worked against me. I was only having 6 or 8 oz at the most, not every day. Not every week, but it showed up on the scale.
"The biggest issue with alcohol consumption is that it stops any use of any other energy source until it's metabolized out of the system. That's why it's not advisable to drink before going to bed because one actually burns bodyfat as the preferred energy and if you're in a calorie deficit, it would be extra stored fat. But if alcohol is in your system during time, you burn nada. It's why a lot of bodybuilding/figure competitors abstain from any alcohol during prep for competitions."
These are just a few of the things that I've changed over the years.3
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