NO CHEATS FOR TWO WEEKS - SIGN THE PLEDGE
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This ^^^^ IS NONSENSE! If you are massively obese, and you do not deprive yourself of anything, how the hell do you lose weight? There has to be SOME deprivation, for continuing to eat the same way will result in more and more weight being gained.
I did - on the Atkins Diet Bulletin Board and Low Carb Friends. There are thousands and thousands of people on there who have lost over 100lb. And not one of them did it by eating sugar "in moderation."
The only *I* deprive myself of is eating whatever I want, whenever I want. Also, um, hi. I eat sugar in moderation. I'll be having a huge piece of sticky toffee pudding before I go to bed. It will be delicious, I'm sure.
Then that will be it for desserts for the week. Why do you feel that's an impossible approach? 0 -
Hey 366 - I am on board. Usually, I cheat on purpose once a week but I want to see what happens if I stay strict for two weeks in a row. Will check back September 15. Good luck0
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This ^^^^ IS NONSENSE! If you are massively obese, and you do not deprive yourself of anything, how the hell do you lose weight? There has to be SOME deprivation, for continuing to eat the same way will result in more and more weight being gained.
I did - on the Atkins Diet Bulletin Board and Low Carb Friends. There are thousands and thousands of people on there who have lost over 100lb. And not one of them did it by eating sugar "in moderation."
The only *I* deprive myself of is eating whatever I want, whenever I want. Also, um, hi. I eat sugar in moderation. I'll be having a huge piece of sticky toffee pudding before I go to bed. It will be delicious, I'm sure. Then that will be it for desserts for the week. Why do you feel that's an impossible approach?
OP, Just wondering if you've figured out what that response had to do with this thread. I haven't.
Sugar in moderation doesn't work for me, that little thing about us all being different and such is lost on some. Hearing about toffee isn't helping me in my weight loss struggles but since I'm currently not eating sugar, it's not really hurting me, either.0 -
I think its smart to know your foods that make you cheat. I'm in for the 2 weeks to help me get back to my regular program.0
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It wasn't an insult -- it was a question. I am sick and tired of them banging on about moderation, when they themselves clearly are UNABLE to eat in moderation! Did you even bother to read my OP?
I did read the OP.
I also read other people trying, in good faith, to help you see things that you that you just aren't seeing. Things that have helped people (who once felt as you do now) to approach food differently, and to lose >100 pounds. And more importantly, to keep it off.
Things that could help you if you would listen, instead of shout.0 -
they learned the hard way. they got fat... tried to get thin following gimmick diets and deprivation diets... had mixed results... finally figured it out... and were eventually successful at not only losing, but maintaining.
This ^^^^ IS NONSENSE! If you are massively obese, and you do not deprive yourself of anything, how the hell do you lose weight? There has to be SOME deprivation, for continuing to eat the same way will result in more and more weight being gained.if you really want motivation and support, find the people who have lost 100+ lbs and LISTEN to them.
I did - on the Atkins Diet Bulletin Board and Low Carb Friends. There are thousands and thousands of people on there who have lost over 100lb. And not one of them did it by eating sugar "in moderation."
ULTIMATELY, it's none of your business how I am losing. If you didn't want to join me in a two week pledge to keep to whatever diet it is that you are following, WHY JOIN THIS THREAD AT ALL?
This thread is ONLY for people who want to join the pledge. The rest of you can bog off and go pick on a vegetarian or something.
The ones on my friends list did it by eating less and exercising. And they've lost significantly more than 100 pounds. Me? I only lost around 65 pounds. I'm not really sure as I didn't like weighing myself and took no "before" pics. The ones I have I'm well covered in clothing.
ETA: Keep in mind that you're not going to find a lot of people talking about eating carbs (sugar) on an Atkins bulletin board.
And, BTW, you make your approach everyone else's business when you post on a public message board. Again, people are actually here to help. The true trolls and "haters," as you have chosen to call them, come and go pretty quickly as the mods here aren't exactly lax with them. Hey, if you don't like what anyone suggests then skip over it or disagree in a respectful manner. We're all adults here.0 -
This ^^^^ IS NONSENSE! If you are massively obese, and you do not deprive yourself of anything, how the hell do you lose weight? There has to be SOME deprivation, for continuing to eat the same way will result in more and more weight being gained.
I did - on the Atkins Diet Bulletin Board and Low Carb Friends. There are thousands and thousands of people on there who have lost over 100lb. And not one of them did it by eating sugar "in moderation."
The only *I* deprive myself of is eating whatever I want, whenever I want. Also, um, hi. I eat sugar in moderation. I'll be having a huge piece of sticky toffee pudding before I go to bed. It will be delicious, I'm sure. Then that will be it for desserts for the week. Why do you feel that's an impossible approach?
OP, Just wondering if you've figured out what that response had to do with this thread. I haven't.
Sugar in moderation doesn't work for me, that little thing about us all being different and such is lost on some. Hearing about toffee isn't helping me in my weight loss struggles but since I'm currently not eating sugar, it's not really hurting me, either.
I was responding to a direct comment.
Of course everyone has different approaches that work, but claiming that no one can lose over 100 lbs by eating sugar in moderation is ludicrous. This website is full of people who have, including myself. I hate to see people get misinformed, since they may feel the only way to lose weight is cut out everything they like. Maybe that *is* what will ultimately be the most helpful for them, but it's not the only way. That's how a lot of people burn out and give up.
Also, if simply hearing about a certain kind of food "isn't helping [you]...", you'll need to address your issues with food triggers. That's been something that I've had to do as well. It's made losing weight a lot easier. Food is a fact of life, and you can't escape it. Good luck!0 -
Hey, if you don't like what anyone suggests then skip over it or disagree in a respectful manner. We're all adults here.
You talk to me as if I started this thread to ask for advice. Go back and read my first message. NO ADVICE WAS SOUGHT.
I am doing a clean 2 weeks, and wanted other people who want to eat "clean" -- whatever that means to them -- to join me in a pledge. It does not matter what kind of diet they are on. It's the pledge that is important.
The idea behind the pledge is that if we can stick to something for 2 weeks, we can do 4 weeks, and then 8, and before we know it, a year has passed.
WHY the haters found this SO OFFENSIVE is a mystery.
If they don't want to join the challenge, why not just ignore it?
I guess it's sad that they have nothing better to do with their weekend than impose unwanted advice and then start a great big fight when the advice is inappropriate. What sad lonely people they must be.
I am 55, not 12. I know what works for me, and it's COLD TURKEY (figuratively, as well as literally!) and no amount of bullying by you lot is going to change that.
What you "moderation" people are saying is that you got fat through sheer laziness and gluttony, and so maybe that is why you do not understand the rest of us, who didn't.0 -
This ^^^^ IS NONSENSE! If you are massively obese, and you do not deprive yourself of anything, how the hell do you lose weight? There has to be SOME deprivation, for continuing to eat the same way will result in more and more weight being gained.
I did - on the Atkins Diet Bulletin Board and Low Carb Friends. There are thousands and thousands of people on there who have lost over 100lb. And not one of them did it by eating sugar "in moderation."
The only *I* deprive myself of is eating whatever I want, whenever I want. Also, um, hi. I eat sugar in moderation. I'll be having a huge piece of sticky toffee pudding before I go to bed. It will be delicious, I'm sure. Then that will be it for desserts for the week. Why do you feel that's an impossible approach?
OP, Just wondering if you've figured out what that response had to do with this thread. I haven't.
Sugar in moderation doesn't work for me, that little thing about us all being different and such is lost on some. Hearing about toffee isn't helping me in my weight loss struggles but since I'm currently not eating sugar, it's not really hurting me, either.
I was responding to a direct comment.
Of course everyone has different approaches that work, but claiming that no one can lose over 100 lbs by eating sugar in moderation is ludicrous. This website is full of people who have, including myself. I hate to see people get misinformed, since they may feel the only way to lose weight is cut out everything they like. Maybe that *is* what will ultimately be the most helpful for them, but it's not the only way. That's how a lot of people burn out and give up.
Also, if simply hearing about a certain kind of food "isn't helping [you]...", you'll need to address your issues with food triggers. That's been something that I've had to do as well. It's made losing weight a lot easier. Food is a fact of life, and you can't escape it. Good luck!
Yep, foods a fact of life. Some people have to restrict because of allergies, some for illnesses, some for addiction. I know this, so, yeah, my issues have already been addressed concerning triggers.
I don't even re-call anyone saying that it's impossible to lose weight doing what your doing...where did you see that post?
What I do re-call is people saying restricting certain foods isn't the way to lose weight. That's a shame because when I don't restrict food I become immobile because of my own issues "that have been addressed" and being immobile does hinder my weight loss.
Really, it's not hard to understand that their are many ways to lose and keep off weight and it's a shame so much time has been spent arguing over this fact. And it is a fact.0 -
Hey, if you don't like what anyone suggests then skip over it or disagree in a respectful manner. We're all adults here.
You talk to me as if I started this thread to ask for advice. Go back and read my first message. NO ADVICE WAS SOUGHT.
I am doing a clean 2 weeks, and wanted other people who want to eat "clean" -- whatever that means to them -- to join me in a pledge. It does not matter what kind of diet they are on. It's the pledge that is important.
The idea behind the pledge is that if we can stick to something for 2 weeks, we can do 4 weeks, and then 8, and before we know it, a year has passed.
WHY the haters found this SO OFFENSIVE is a mystery.
If they don't want to join the challenge, why not just ignore it?
I guess it's sad that they have nothing better to do with their weekend than impose unwanted advice.
Your goals aren't offensive. Your insults and attitude are. Best of luck, OP.0 -
Guess what OP? Not all of us were fat at one point. Some of us have lived out ENTIRE LIVES eating things in moderation. I have about 8 pounds I need to lose. My all-time high is about 20 pounds over my ideal weight. So, you might want to open your clearly very closed mind and widen your clearly very narrow views to attempt to learn from people who have had the success you're looking for. I know you won't, but you should. And yes, I am telling you what to do.0
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One more thing to say to these "no banned foods" and "all foods in moderation" people, who, some have said, as these Great Experts that "Know it All" and we have to listen --- - if they are such experts in "moderation" and don't ever binge, have no food addictions, no trigger foods, then how on earth did they come to be obese?
I think there are a group of people on here who just love to sabotage.
They know all about trigger foods etc and encourage people to eat them, knowing that the dieter will either binge on the trigger foods, or eat a BIT of the trigger food then go through emotional hell trying not to binge.
Either way, the saboteur gets the ego-trip. They don't WANT others to succeed, because it diminishes their own success. A bit like climbing the ladder, then pulling it up after yourself, but it's done in an insidious fashion, under the guise of "only trying to help".
These are the SAME people who will keep on telling a recovering alcoholic that it's OK to have "just one drink". Same with the person who kicked heroin or tobacco..... yeah, go on, just have ONE little cigarette ... you know it's really BAD to BAN cigarettes, it only makes you want them more ..... go on, let me light it for you ....
The saboteur is then able to go about crowing about how THEY gave up successfully, and look down on the person they sabotaged, who is still drinking/smoking/shooting up, and feel sooo superior.
Firstly. not everyone on this site has been obese. I haven't. Overweight, yes. I have friends on here who have and do struggle with obesity, though.
People who have been here for a while have watched others succeed and have learned how they did it.
I sincerely doubt anyone on this site wants to sabotage anyone else and see them fail. We celebrate each other's successes, even very minor ones. There are numerous knowledgeable posters here, who have gone through exactly what you are going through. Many people have reached their goals but stick around to help people so they don't have to make the same mistakes.
I feel awful for you. Someone must have hurt you very badly for you to assume that everyone is out to get you. It would be wonderful if you could let your guard down and recognise that people here want you to succeed.
It's great that you know what your trigger foods are so you can avoid them. I wish you the best.0 -
it's not hard to understand that their are many ways to lose and keep off weight and it's a shame so much time has been spent arguing over this fact.
Exactly -- the wisdom comes in finding out what works for YOU as an individual. Then sticking to it.
People of my age - 55 -- have DONE the "moderation" thing as well as the calorie thing, the low fat thing, the vegetarian thing, the meal replacement thing .... and failed on the lot. We finally find something that WORKS and along they come, telling us to do once more all the things that have failed to work!
What was that saying about the first sign of madness being, doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result?0 -
I think its smart to know your foods that make you cheat. I'm in for the 2 weeks to help me get back to my regular program.
Well done!
Many people on here are toxic people -- they want to stop us doing what works for us. They want to lure us and tempt us back into eating those foods that make us cheat. We have their names now, we know their motives - to stop us losing weight - and so now we can just ignore them on every thread. They do not want to help us, but to make us fall off the wagon.
Okay. This is just crazy.0 -
Soooooo, if I join you in your pledge, what happens after two weeks? Do I just go back to being fat?0
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I think its smart to know your foods that make you cheat. I'm in for the 2 weeks to help me get back to my regular program.
Well done!
Many people on here are toxic people -- they want to stop us doing what works for us. They want to lure us and tempt us back into eating those foods that make us cheat. We have their names now, we know their motives - to stop us losing weight - and so now we can just ignore them on every thread. They do not want to help us, but to make us fall off the wagon.
This is the biggest load of crap I have ever seen. None of us are trying to "lure you or tempt you into eating foods that make you cheat" or stop you from losing weight. That's beyond ludicrous. In fact, the exact opposite is true. But go ahead and do things your way. Six months from now, when you are still struggling and wondering why, think back to this thread. Maybe you'll have a V8 moment at that point. Either way, I'm done with you.0 -
I think its smart to know your foods that make you cheat. I'm in for the 2 weeks to help me get back to my regular program.
Well done!
Many people on here are toxic people -- they want to stop us doing what works for us. They want to lure us and tempt us back into eating those foods that make us cheat. We have their names now, we know their motives - to stop us losing weight - and so now we can just ignore them on every thread. They do not want to help us, but to make us fall off the wagon.
Okay. This is just crazy.
Tinfoil hats for everyone!0 -
Firstly. not everyone on this site has been obese.
Then they are in no position to give advice to the obese.It's great that you know what your trigger foods are so you can avoid them.
That isn't what the others on here are saying -- they are saying, "it's great that I know what your trigger foods are so I can try to persuade you to eat them, and also I can come on here boasting that I can eat them as much as I like".0 -
Many people on here are toxic people -- they want to stop us doing what works for us. They want to lure us and tempt us back into eating those foods that make us cheat. We have their names now, we know their motives - to stop us losing weight - and so now we can just ignore them on every thread. They do not want to help us, but to make us fall off the wagon.
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Soooooo, if I join you in your pledge, what happens after two weeks? Do I just go back to being fat?
The idea behind the pledge is that if we can stick to something for 2 weeks, we can do 4 weeks, and then 8, and before we know it, a year has passed.
WHY you found this SO OFFENSIVE is a mystery.0 -
For anyone who fell off the wagon... join me in my pledge. After a horrendous wheat binge followed by a horrendous chocolate binge I am thoroughly ashamed and determined to make a pledge to myself and to YOU ...
NO CHEATS FOR TWO WEEKS
Will you join me?0 -
Firstly. not everyone on this site has been obese.
Then they are in no position to give advice to the obese.
There are many trainers and physicians who have never been obese. They educated themselves on how to effectively lose weight and pass this information on to their clients/patients.0 -
Well done!
Many people on here are toxic people -- they want to stop us doing what works for us. They want to lure us and tempt us back into eating those foods that make us cheat. We have their names now, we know their motives - to stop us losing weight - and so now we can just ignore them on every thread. They do not want to help us, but to make us fall off the wagon.
Well guys, time to pack it in. They found out about us
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it's not hard to understand that their are many ways to lose and keep off weight and it's a shame so much time has been spent arguing over this fact.
Exactly -- the wisdom comes in finding out what works for YOU as an individual. Then sticking to it.
People of my age - 55 -- have DONE the "moderation" thing as well as the calorie thing, the low fat thing, the vegetarian thing, the meal replacement thing .... and failed on the lot. We finally find something that WORKS and along they come, telling us to do once more all the things that have failed to work!
What was that saying about the first sign of madness being, doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result?
I hear you, sister. I'm over the hill myself and have lost weight and kept it off. My issue is already posted in the thread and how/why I got to this place now and why Atkins is one of the few choices I have as a lifetime way of eating. Nobody cares, they just keep on pushing what worked for them. I may be newb on MFP but I'm not a newbie in life or health.
I'm also not sure how pointing out that may weight loss is only water-weight so should be disregarded as something that is helpful. Some are claiming they are doing positive and at the same time really do fit the bill of a "troll". Yeah, I'm old enough to call it when I see it. I see it, if someone else doesn't, I'm not going to explain it. I had to get old to understand certain truths. They must put in their time, too. LOL.0 -
Firstly. not everyone on this site has been obese.
Then they are in no position to give advice to the obese.
There are many trainers and physicians who have never been obese. They educated themselves on how to effectively lose weight and pass this information on to their clients/patients.
^^ This. You pretty much just shot whatever little credibility you had left with that one OP.0 -
Soooooo, if I join you in your pledge, what happens after two weeks? Do I just go back to being fat?
The idea behind the pledge is that if we can stick to something for 2 weeks, we can do 4 weeks, and then 8, and before we know it, a year has passed.
WHY you found this SO OFFENSIVE is a mystery.
There's no mystery here. It's about control. Some people want it----over you.0 -
wow you guys are A-holes. If you guys don't want to join her then don't respond! And she is not shaming it, she's just stating what doesn't work for HER. So lay off.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the way i see it, she is exhibiting terribly orthorexic thinking and inviting others to join her in this terribly orthorexic thinking.
people are responding the way they are because 1) that mindset will hurt her chance of long term success, 2) it's unnecessary, and 3) there is a very high probability that she will binge the minute the 2 weeks are over.
we'd like to help her see that by changing her relationship with food, she can still enjoy all sorts of foods in moderation and still lose weight.
wanna know what the surest recipe for failure is when trying to lose weight? ...it's to attack the problem by following a deprivation diet mentality.
are you freakin serious????? she cheated maybe over did it! and wants to make a freakin pledge to keep her motivated and instead get all kinds of irrelevant freakin bull!! it has nothing to do with mind set relationship with food and wtv else bull u people came up with!! im so sick of this every time i come in a thread i have to get pissed with holier then though know it alls! get over yourselves and live and let live!!
you sound hungry
No im just Italian! i don't get how u don't get why im so pissed she asked a simple freakin question and she gets all this bull**** and im the bad guy!!!! its crazy to me ! anyway im done arguing with ignorance is useless!0 -
Soooooo, if I join you in your pledge, what happens after two weeks? Do I just go back to being fat?
The idea behind the pledge is that if we can stick to something for 2 weeks, we can do 4 weeks, and then 8, and before we know it, a year has passed.
WHY you found this SO OFFENSIVE is a mystery.
There's no mystery here. It's about control. Some people want it----over you.
Nope. Not it at all. But it does illustrate why you and your new buddy aren't getting what ANY of us have been trying to say.0 -
Soooooo, if I join you in your pledge, what happens after two weeks? Do I just go back to being fat?
The idea behind the pledge is that if we can stick to something for 2 weeks, we can do 4 weeks, and then 8, and before we know it, a year has passed.
WHY you found this SO OFFENSIVE is a mystery.
because they want you to be successful and there is A LOT of evidence that says that what you are planning to do is simply setting you up for failure down the road.
you admitted your problem is binging. so now to battle your binge problem, you want to tighten up your diet and pledge to deprive yourself of those very foods that you crave and end up binging on.
how can you not see that THAT is a recipe for disaster?
you want to know how to "restrict" your diet without "depriving" yourself of the things you enjoy? simply enjoy them in moderation. count their calories. log them. see the impact they have on your day. pretty soon, you'll be eating them less and less and in smaller portions. but you'll still be having them from time to time. this is how you prevent yourself from obsessing about them and binging at a later date.
you may not believe this, but none of us want to see you post a new thread here 3 weeks from now complaining about how you binged as soon as you completed your 2 week "no cheat" pledge. however, right now, i'd say most of us think that to be a likely scenario.
we're trying to get you to understand that you can't just exchange one bad mindset for another and think that you'll be any more successful.0 -
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