Made the Mistake of Bringing up Intermittent Fasting...
eblakes93
Posts: 372 Member
So I was in my campus dining hall yesterday with two of my girlfriends. The one has lost 30 pounds over the summer doing some sort of shake diet. She was going on and on and on about and it was making me nuts - she tells everyone she sees that she's lost weight (while I keep my 11 pounds to myself). Finally, in attempt to say something about my life (my first mistake!) I mentioned that I was going to be trying intermittent fasting and that I was really excited for it. Oh boy.
I got a big lecture in which she asserted:
-Her shake diet will reset her metabolism
-I should do her shake diet
-She eats 2000 calories a day on this diet and loses three pounds a week, because the types of foods shes eating tell her body to burn fat and not calories. (she is not morbidly obese-there is no way she is safely losing three pounds a week, if this is true)
-I have to eat 6 small meals every 3-4 hours to have a healthy metabolism
-She has built a pound of muscle on this diet (I asked her if she is lifting and she looked at me like WHY WOULD THAT MATTER)
-Her doctor and her nutritionist said it was a good thing to do
-Nutritionist and RDs are the same thing (THIS MAKES ME CRAZY. It's just like the difference between a therapist and a psychologist. ANYONE can call themselves a therapist/nutritionist - they are not legally licensed terms.)
-THEN she had the audacity to ask me if I had seen a nutritionist, because apparently I'm too dumb to read science on my own.
-Finally when I questioned why she would trust A BUSINESS that was making MONEY off a weight loss program with her health she said that the people who created it were doctors and nurses with everyone's best interest in mind.
/endrage
I got a big lecture in which she asserted:
-Her shake diet will reset her metabolism
-I should do her shake diet
-She eats 2000 calories a day on this diet and loses three pounds a week, because the types of foods shes eating tell her body to burn fat and not calories. (she is not morbidly obese-there is no way she is safely losing three pounds a week, if this is true)
-I have to eat 6 small meals every 3-4 hours to have a healthy metabolism
-She has built a pound of muscle on this diet (I asked her if she is lifting and she looked at me like WHY WOULD THAT MATTER)
-Her doctor and her nutritionist said it was a good thing to do
-Nutritionist and RDs are the same thing (THIS MAKES ME CRAZY. It's just like the difference between a therapist and a psychologist. ANYONE can call themselves a therapist/nutritionist - they are not legally licensed terms.)
-THEN she had the audacity to ask me if I had seen a nutritionist, because apparently I'm too dumb to read science on my own.
-Finally when I questioned why she would trust A BUSINESS that was making MONEY off a weight loss program with her health she said that the people who created it were doctors and nurses with everyone's best interest in mind.
/endrage
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you just do what works for you. I do not do IF, not because i have anything against it but because I like to eat all the time and hate limits. As long as you stay under your calories per day it does not matter when you eat them. Good for you to stand up to her and question her. Best of luck to you and I say stay the course0
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Just let it roll of your back. You are doing well on your own. Keep it up!0
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IF works for some people and it doesn't for others. I do it during my work week and it works for me.0
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If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....0 -
If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.0 -
I am all for it
there are 2 good groups on here,0 -
Eat a balanced diet, set a reasonable calorie and macros goal, strength train, IF if it works for you . . . and for the love of all that is right and holy in this world, never, NEVER, discuss your diet and fitness plan with IRL friends . . .0
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I wouldn't worry, just let it go. You see plenty of this sort of bad science on the MFP forums as it is, I wish I had lost an ounce of fat for every time I've seen 'Starvation Mode', I'd be downright skinny by now! I agree with you, no way is she losing 3lbs a day on 2000 calories. And I'm not being judgemental.................
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I wouldn't worry, just let it go. You see plenty of this sort of bad science on the MFP forums as it is, I wish I had lost an ounce of fat for every time I've seen 'Starvation Mode', I'd be downright skinny by now! I agree with you, no way is she losing 3lbs a day on 2000 calories. And I'm not being judgemental.................
Haha thanks for the understanding!0 -
If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.
2 lbs a week is not some magical limit. The 3 lbs a week will slow down. You don't suddenly become sick because you passed the magic number 2. It depends on long term/short and totals. When I started I lost 5 lbs in one week initially and I still have weeks where the scale can register 3-4 lbs difference - not all is true weight loss.
She's eating 2000 cals under supervision. Not 600. Her deficit is likely high but not extreme.0 -
I wouldn't worry, just let it go. You see plenty of this sort of bad science on the MFP forums as it is, I wish I had lost an ounce of fat for every time I've seen 'Starvation Mode', I'd be downright skinny by now! I agree with you, no way is she losing 3lbs a day on 2000 calories. And I'm not being judgemental.................
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1077746-starvation-mode-adaptive-thermogenesis-and-weight-loss0 -
Let her do what she does and you do what you do. It's not important.0
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If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.
2 lbs a week is not some magical limit. The 3 lbs a week will slow down. You don't suddenly become sick because you passed the magic number 2. It depends on long term/short and totals. When I started I lost 5 lbs in one week initially and I still have weeks where the scale can register 3-4 lbs difference - not all is true weight loss.
She's eating 2000 cals under supervision. Not 600. Her deficit is likely high but not extreme.
I think your're missing the point. I doubt that she is actually losing 3 pounds a week on 2000 calories a day. If that was the case, her TDEE is around 3500 calories. This is not a morbidly obese lady (she has a similar height/weight profile to me). So either
A) She is not tracking her calories and is eating far less then 2000 calories a day (probably like 500-800calories).
She lied and is not losing 3 pounds a week. 0 -
Let her do what she does and you do what you do. It's not important.
Oi vey. Why did I even bother?
I'm not stopping her from doing anything. I casually brought up what I was doing and got a lecture about it. :ohwell: It's important to me because these are people I see every single day. I live with them and got to class with them.
I really need to have more discretion when I come on the boards to post...0 -
If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.
2 lbs a week is not some magical limit. The 3 lbs a week will slow down. You don't suddenly become sick because you passed the magic number 2. It depends on long term/short and totals. When I started I lost 5 lbs in one week initially and I still have weeks where the scale can register 3-4 lbs difference - not all is true weight loss.
She's eating 2000 cals under supervision. Not 600. Her deficit is likely high but not extreme.
I think your're missing the point. I doubt that she is actually losing 3 pounds a week on 2000 calories a day. If that was the case, her TDEE is around 3500 calories. This is not a morbidly obese lady (she has a similar height/weight profile to me). So either
A) She is not tracking her calories and is eating far less then 2000 calories a day (probably like 500-800calories). She lied and is not losing 3 pounds a week.
Probably the latter... or she's lost 3lbs in a week the first couple weeks... mostly water weight.0 -
....But seriously, does it even really matter? You're putting all of your energy in this when you should just continue to do what works for you and let her do what works for her. She judged you, you are judging her, oi vey.0
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Is she trying to sell you the shake?If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.
2 lbs a week is not some magical limit. The 3 lbs a week will slow down. You don't suddenly become sick because you passed the magic number 2. It depends on long term/short and totals. When I started I lost 5 lbs in one week initially and I still have weeks where the scale can register 3-4 lbs difference - not all is true weight loss.
She's eating 2000 cals under supervision. Not 600. Her deficit is likely high but not extreme.
I think your're missing the point. I doubt that she is actually losing 3 pounds a week on 2000 calories a day. If that was the case, her TDEE is around 3500 calories. This is not a morbidly obese lady (she has a similar height/weight profile to me). So either
A) She is not tracking her calories and is eating far less then 2000 calories a day (probably like 500-800calories). She lied and is not losing 3 pounds a week.0 -
I wouldn't worry about it.
Just concentrate on your own health and well-being.
And with that, I wish you all the best with your efforts.
kind regards,
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Is she trying to sell you the shake?If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.
2 lbs a week is not some magical limit. The 3 lbs a week will slow down. You don't suddenly become sick because you passed the magic number 2. It depends on long term/short and totals. When I started I lost 5 lbs in one week initially and I still have weeks where the scale can register 3-4 lbs difference - not all is true weight loss.
She's eating 2000 cals under supervision. Not 600. Her deficit is likely high but not extreme.
I think your're missing the point. I doubt that she is actually losing 3 pounds a week on 2000 calories a day. If that was the case, her TDEE is around 3500 calories. This is not a morbidly obese lady (she has a similar height/weight profile to me). So either
A) She is not tracking her calories and is eating far less then 2000 calories a day (probably like 500-800calories). She lied and is not losing 3 pounds a week.
She suggested that I do it.0 -
How the hell is she losing 3lbs a week on 2000 calories a day as a normal weight person unless she's:
a) Doing excessive exercise
b) Overestimating her food consumption.
I thought I could eat a lot and I'd lose up to 1.5lbs a week on that amount (aside from the first couple weeks when a lot is water) and that's exercising 4-5 times a week!
Anyway, whatever the reason is, you obviously work well doing what you do, and whatever she is doing works well for her. I don't think you can change how she behaves based on what you've said. I'd say the best thing you can do is just never bring up weight/fat loss/dieting around her again and change the subject asap if she brings it up. Be dismissive and find something else to talk about. It's fighting a losing battle otherwise.0 -
Just call it Intermittent Eating ... Amounts to the same thing and has a less controversial ring to it. 0
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Eat a balanced diet, set a reasonable calorie and macros goal, strength train, IF if it works for you . . . and for the love of all that is right and holy in this world, never, NEVER, discuss your diet and fitness plan with IRL friends . . .
Yeah, unfortunately, this.0 -
How the hell is she losing 3lbs a week on 2000 calories a day as a normal weight person unless she's:
a) Doing excessive exercise
b) Overestimating her food consumption.
I thought I could eat a lot and I'd lose up to 1.5lbs a week on that amount (aside from the first couple weeks when a lot is water) and that's exercising 4-5 times a week!
Anyway, whatever the reason is, you obviously work well doing what you do, and whatever she is doing works well for her. I don't think you can change how she behaves based on what you've said. I'd say the best thing you can do is just never bring up weight/fat loss/dieting around her again and change the subject asap if she brings it up. Be dismissive and find something else to talk about. It's fighting a losing battle otherwise.
I agree with that sentiment! I learned my lesson and I'll follow the advice of other MFP users to never discuss fitness plans unless specifically asked.0 -
If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.
2 lbs a week is not some magical limit. The 3 lbs a week will slow down. You don't suddenly become sick because you passed the magic number 2. It depends on long term/short and totals. When I started I lost 5 lbs in one week initially and I still have weeks where the scale can register 3-4 lbs difference - not all is true weight loss.
She's eating 2000 cals under supervision. Not 600. Her deficit is likely high but not extreme.
I think your're missing the point. I doubt that she is actually losing 3 pounds a week on 2000 calories a day. If that was the case, her TDEE is around 3500 calories. This is not a morbidly obese lady (she has a similar height/weight profile to me). So either
A) She is not tracking her calories and is eating far less then 2000 calories a day (probably like 500-800calories). She lied and is not losing 3 pounds a week.
Ah, well. If she lost 30 lbs over 2.5 to 3 months that's ... 2.5 to 3 pounds a week (not that far from 3, so is she lying or not?) - not impossible nor extreme. So she says 2000 and you guess 500-800. Hmmm - how would you know?0 -
Just call it Intermittent Eating ... Amounts to the same thing and has a less controversial ring to it.
Haha that's a great idea!0 -
I have a friend who lost 80 lbs. using an expensive shake. The selling point is that it tastes really good, and it did. One tastes just like cake batter. But that's not going to open my mind to adjusting how to eat so that I can lose or maintain.
I have a relative who shed 40+ lbs. with a very low cal diet and Vit B drops. She's currently putting it all back on.
I did Jenny Craig for a year and ended at the exact same weight I started with.
I keep reading the stories of people who have been successful at taking the weight off and keeping it off. They preach consistency and calorie deficit. I think diet and exercise really are the answer.
Now I'm starting to understand why people are so against fad diets and preach lifestyle change. I'll never temporarily be able to lose weight, and then go back to eating like I used to and keep it off.
If the solution is calories in vs. calories out, I'm not convinced it matters a whole lot when you eat them. I've seen both arguments made for IF and also for eating small meals throughout the day. Any way you go, if you stick with it, your weight loss may be more gradual but you'll get there. And hopefully when it's all off, you will have reset your lifestyle.
My lifestyle is never going to include drinking 2 shakes a day. Not sustainable for me. Nobody wants to be fat, so I will say that whatever works for others is great. But I think if you are being smart about it, it'll pay off eventually.0 -
It sounds like she knows exactly what she's doing!! You should follow her advice immediately do not try to research anything or read into this that is a waste of time.
Plus its common knowledge that shakes are more effective at building muscle then lifting weights....:laugh:0 -
A) She is not tracking her calories and is eating far less then 2000 calories a day (probably like 500-800calories). She lied and is not losing 3 pounds a week.
The second one is my best bet.
I just leave my diet out of everyone's business... I made the mistake once that I did a juice detox and a friend t hinks that I do that every single day and that's why I'm losing weight. Oh well..
People do crazy things to impress other people, and every body is different. She might be losing quite fast with the shakes, but the goal here is to be able to maintain the loss and then the maintenance... She might change her mind when she realize that either she needs to do some exercise, or she just gets bored with the shakes (I'm betting for the second option).
In the meantime, ignore her and next time, call your IF as "salad days" and counting calories. I do that and that keeps away noisy friends haha (however, they are male friends, I still have to figure out what to say if another girl asks me about it.. us women tend to be a bit more vicious).0 -
I know a few people who sell shakes and they get comission. They also exaggerate their story to get people to bite. I could be wrong, but I seen it too many times to count!
Is she trying to sell you the shake?If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.
2 lbs a week is not some magical limit. The 3 lbs a week will slow down. You don't suddenly become sick because you passed the magic number 2. It depends on long term/short and totals. When I started I lost 5 lbs in one week initially and I still have weeks where the scale can register 3-4 lbs difference - not all is true weight loss.
She's eating 2000 cals under supervision. Not 600. Her deficit is likely high but not extreme.
I think your're missing the point. I doubt that she is actually losing 3 pounds a week on 2000 calories a day. If that was the case, her TDEE is around 3500 calories. This is not a morbidly obese lady (she has a similar height/weight profile to me). So either
A) She is not tracking her calories and is eating far less then 2000 calories a day (probably like 500-800calories). She lied and is not losing 3 pounds a week.
She suggested that I do it.0 -
Is she trying to sell you the shake?If she's eating 2000 calories a day she isn't losing in a necessarily "unsafe" way. It a large enough amount to assure nutritional diversity. It might be crap it might not be. Just stop judging other people and get on with your thing.
I personally won't do IF or Shakes but, nothing intrinsically wrong with either - it depends on a lot of factors like long term goals, lifestyle management, fitness goals, LBM maintenance. In one I'd likely binge, the other is expensive but either can create a calorie deficit.
My personal focus is long term fitness. Can either fit this? Sometimes....
I guess you missed the part where she said she was losing 3 pounds a week. I'll stop being such a judgemental person for you though, I guess.
2 lbs a week is not some magical limit. The 3 lbs a week will slow down. You don't suddenly become sick because you passed the magic number 2. It depends on long term/short and totals. When I started I lost 5 lbs in one week initially and I still have weeks where the scale can register 3-4 lbs difference - not all is true weight loss.
She's eating 2000 cals under supervision. Not 600. Her deficit is likely high but not extreme.
I think your're missing the point. I doubt that she is actually losing 3 pounds a week on 2000 calories a day. If that was the case, her TDEE is around 3500 calories. This is not a morbidly obese lady (she has a similar height/weight profile to me). So either
A) She is not tracking her calories and is eating far less then 2000 calories a day (probably like 500-800calories). She lied and is not losing 3 pounds a week.
She suggested that I do it.
Oh noes....
Just tell her you're going to try it your way for a while and if you don't see results you'll look at other options. And then sit and wait a few months, when you start showing better progress I can almost guarantee she'll ask you how you did it.0
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