Sugar Cravings are killing me
HappyDonkey75
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I am trying to use MFP to get some level of control and clarity on my health and diet. For the last two years it seems like a never ending climb upward on the weight scale no matter what I do. I am closer to 50 than 40 and dealing with menopause symptoms. I know sugar and alchohol and frankly just getting a bit lazy on the activity scene , has been a big part of issue. I have given up the alchohol , no issue there, and I have gotten into a fitness routine but I struggle daily , sometimes multiple times a day with wanting sweets. Cookies, pudding, candy, whatever I can get my hands on. I do keep a few things in the house. I have tried not having it in the house and it almost makes it worse because then I will obsess about it and then go to the store . (and usually over buy things) I blew it today and and over ate on my calories and macros. I only ate one cookie but I just overate in general. I was hungry which might have had something to do with being unrested from last two nights of lack of sleep.
I feel like crap and want to kick myself repeatedly. If I could get rid of the sweet cravings, I think I would do alot better. I can usually go a day or two without them if I really work hard at it but by the third day, its impossible and I cave. I have tried alot of things but nothing really seems to break this habit. Tomorrow I feel like I am going to have to work out double hard to offset things from today.
I feel like crap and want to kick myself repeatedly. If I could get rid of the sweet cravings, I think I would do alot better. I can usually go a day or two without them if I really work hard at it but by the third day, its impossible and I cave. I have tried alot of things but nothing really seems to break this habit. Tomorrow I feel like I am going to have to work out double hard to offset things from today.
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Don't use exercise as punishment. Exercise is for health or for fun, but if you use it to punish yourself for overeating you'll just come to hate it.
A couple of ideas: what can you substitute for the sugar treats that you can't resist? Fruit? One piece of good chocolate? A small bowl of frozen yogurt? When trying to lose weight, I sometimes did best by allowing myself an occasional sweet, but making it a once a week treat, not an every day thing. Look at your log and try to figure out what you are eating that you don't really care about and what things you really do enjoy. Drop the foods that you eat from habit or because others are eating them. I learned that I don't actually like fries or chips all that much, so can easily skip them most of the time. Ice cream, OTOH, I'm not willing to give up completely. If I want to lose weight though, it needs to be for special occasions, not all the time.
Also, because of your age, get tested for thyroid function. When I was in my mid-40s I had a hard time losing weight. Since my mother had thyroid issues, I eventually convinced a doctor to order bloodwork. Sure enough, I was hypothyroid. Once I was properly medicated, I lost weight as long as I watched what I ate and stayed active.
FWIW, I lost 55 lbs. in my 50s and have kept it off for more than 10 years. I eat sweets, but because I log everything I eat, I know what effect they will have on my overall calorie goal. If it fits within my calorie allowance, I let myself indulge. If not, I wait until another day.10 -
1) Congratulations on giving up alcohol
Lack of sleep can cause someone to crave sugar. If it’s occasional it’s probably not too much to worry about. If you’re finding yourself frequently unable to get enough sleep that’s a different story.
There are some discussions on the forums about that.
I know this feeling though. I have white knuckled myself through grocery aisles many times. One mind trick I have used when it’s bad is to tell myself just how bad some of these things are for me when I’m shopping. Sometimes on repeat for most of the shopping trip.
Another thing you can try is single serving packs of things you enjoy, and intentionally make them part of your daily routine.
Oreos come in single serve packs on Amazon. Lots of treats do.
In my earliest days struggling with this, I used Tootsie Roll midges. I ate them as slowly as possible, savoring them as long as I could. Almost meditating on them.
I advise you to just put today behind you.
You don’t have to work out double hard to offset today. Just take it one day at a time. Build the habits.
The habits will get you there eventually.
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What are your macros like? I've found that when I pumped up the protein and healthy fats my carb cravings decreased. I also agree with the single-serving pack advice.2
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Can you give your stats and how much of a deficit you’re aiming for? Sometimes a craving is just that, but other times it can be a response to too low calories, or even too high processed carbs / not enough protein, which gives a blood sugar spike then drop, leaving to the craving cycle.3
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Anything that is a problem just don’t bring it into the house. If you have those thing screaming at you in the grocery store to put ‘em in your cart maybe have someone else do your shopping or use instacart. It all comes down to having willpower. It’s an inside job.
You’ll have to decide between junk food and weightloss, pick one…..2 -
claireychn074 wrote: »other times it can be a response to too low calories
I agree with this 100 percent. I know that when my calories are too low I crave all kinds of stuff I normally never crave, like donuts. It's like my body is screaming for sugar.2 -
tomcustombuilder wrote: »Anything that is a problem just don’t bring it into the house. If you have those thing screaming at you in the grocery store to put ‘em in your cart maybe have someone else do your shopping or use instacart. It all comes down to having willpower. It’s an inside job.
It depends who else is in the house. Sometimes it's not practical to ban sweets and stuff like chips/crisps from the home. My hubs, who is very slender and lean, likes chips and candy. I make him hide 'em, then if I do have a craving I ask. It also gives me an opportunity to reflect as to whether I really want the treat, or can pass.
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My calories are 1400 right now and my Macros are Carbs 40%, Protein 35% and Fats 25%.
Yes calories are a bit low but the struggle with sugar is there even when I was set at about anywhere between 1800-2000 calories. For me, it really doesn't seem to matter. In fact I was hard core keto many years ago and was fit enough to be doing Spartan races , Tony Horton workouts , and riding endurance horses 100 miles a week. It was still a struggle then.
I do realize its choices and fighting through the cravings is something the only option on the table for me. Sometimes if I can talk myself though it and distract myself with something else, like a walk or a task I can manage. I just am reaching out because I want this monster to go away or atleast not rear its ugly head daily for me. Sugar addiction is a real thing and I am envious of those who have no desire for that. I do come from a family over eaters and super heavy people, who eat rather unhealthy. I often wonder if its the genetic code at some level playing a part.3 -
Hi, and Welcome to the site. :flowerforyou:
I'll just warn you that using the word "addiction" and sugar together on this site is going to cause an argument. Ask me how I know.
I agree with you that there is a genetic (biological) component to the compulsion and inability to stop with certain food(s.) If that were not the case then prescribed medications wouldn't work as well as they do to stop the compulsions. However, that is not a mainstream accepted belief at this time. People who don't struggle with this cannot or will not understand.
For me there are many foods that are just off-limits unless I accept that One Package Is One Serving...no matter the size of that package. I will eat the whole thing before I go to bed, regardless of calories or fullness. I've tried for nearly two decades to find a workaround, but the only answer for me is not starting to eat it unless I agree that I'm about to eat 1800 calories of _ _ _ _ _ _.
Here's a recent very informative sugar/addiction/compulsion thread. . .and you can use the Search box above to find many more:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10847203/no-sugar-or-flour-food-addiction#latest4 -
I find that I do better when I allow myself a sweet treat every day. I try to save it for the end of the day, knowing I have a treat to look forward to.
Individual portion packs are my go to. But even then, there are some foods I cannot have in the house.
I sub dark chocolate squares (Ghiradelli 72%) over milk chocolate. For me, milk chocolate is dangerous.
You might put off the sweet treat with fruit, tea, or even a diet soda. Watch the fake sugar though, for some this can also be a trigger.3 -
My cravings for less nutrient-dense sweets (candy, baked goods) were reduced when I made it a point to eat several servings of whole fruit daily. I started with 3 servings daily.
That won't work for everyone, but others here besides me have said they found it helpful. It might be worth a try, if you haven't already tried it.
It took a short number of weeks to be effective for me . . . I think around 2-3, but I don't remember for sure. But neither instant nor super long.2 -
@HappyDonkey75 - i was surprised to hear you say that you still experience the strong cravings even when sticking to a keto plan.
There does seem to be a bio-chemical response in the body for some people that seems to drive persistent voracious cravings... On the extreme end would be the Prader syndrome, but various classes of drugs have a known side effect that suppresses appetite or compulsions.
Have you ever tried a prescription drug and found relief? Think that might be a discussion to have with a doctor and might be worth asking.1 -
@Adventurista -right, it was unusual for keto. Never heard of Prader syndrome. I have never tried any RX meds for appetite suppression as most have ephedrine and I can't have that.0
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@HappyDonkey75
- it is a childhood genetic syndrome, and I am not suggesting applies to you as an adult, just that they have identified it has a physical appetite component. Tragic for the children.
- from a search, this article popped up.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9976092/#:~:text=Excessive orexin stimulation in the,abnormalities in the orexin system.
I had no idea ephedrine is in many appetite suppressing meds, a stimulant?
I have no other strategy ideas atm, except can understand how resisting a voracious appetite would be exhausting... so good on you for fighting it. You, your health are so worth it. Hang in!1 -
@cmriverside - thank you for the link and the info .
This... "I will eat the whole thing before I go to bed, regardless of calories or fullness. I've tried for nearly two decades to find a workaround, but the only answer for me is not starting to eat it unless I agree that I'm about to eat 1800 calories of _ _ _ _ _ _." resonates with me.
I justify my way out of what I know is a bad choice and eat the bad things anyways. Sadly I don't always feel icky after eating what would be too many treats. it just depends on what the treat is. I wish eating too much sugar made me sick! That would make things better!
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Have you discussed this with your GP?
It seems like you have honestly tried many things for a long time and you are still struggling.
A quick google suggests there are many different types of appetite suppressants.
I’m of the opinion that “addiction” is a specific scientific term that doesn’t wholly map onto food cravings, but it’s close enough to use in a colloquial sense to describe the way that some people experience food cravings.
Sometimes a prescription can really help.
I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice. Just something to consider.1 -
You're welcome, HappyDonkey.
I am not sure why the go-to response from the above two posters was, "take a medication."
Over the years I've been given lots of prescriptions for lots of different things. I'm at the point now where unless it's something that is absolutely necessary I'm not going to take a pill for a thing that has other solutions. In this case maybe they do have underlying issues or it could be as simple as fatigue, lack of sleep, dehydration, stress, or any number of things.
In the case of food obsessions/compulsions my understanding is that the meds that would likely be first line choices are all going to be off label prescriptions. Treatment would start with mental health issues such as anxiety, depression, OCD, or ADHD. Those are valid diagnoses to be sure and can be the cause of general binge overeating if that is a problem. HappyDonkey hasn't made that claim here. I don't know if that would be the same as "cravings" treatment. I'm not familiar with that term in regards to treatment for over consumption of sweets. What kind of drugs would be prescribed for "cravings?" I have some knowledge of drugs that are used in alcohol and drug treatment but I've never heard of them being prescribed for food cravings - though I think that would be an interesting approach.
In my opinion after going through many prescriptions in the past and having stopped them all, unless one is morbidly obese and/or has weight related medical problems and can qualify for the newer GLP-1 drugs, I don't think that is a necessary path to take. All medications have side effects, some of them are serious. Most of them don't work without some therapy on the side or stop working over time. HappyDonkey hasn't really given us much info here as to the seriousness of their problem with it.
Just not eating the sugary stuff will work. Is it easy? No, but it's a simple drug free solution.3 -
Peoples brains fall out when reducing carbs are mentioned so let me be the first to say a ketogenic diet with virtually no sugar works for me. I had a really hard time limiting sugar, even the taste of diet pepsi had me looking for some, so I know what you mean. Basically I had to remove sugar, it took me over a year to figure that out but I haven't looked back and the bonus is I don't have to count calories either like I did before, but this doesn't happen to everyone, but it does for the majority of people and it's not adding to the list of medication people are on chasing the symptoms from most non communicable diseases.2
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Can you try a couple different flavors of gum? I also struggle with sweets. People tell me I'm crazy when I say I have a sugar addiction, but I really believe it's an addiction just like any drug addiction.
I personally don't think having one or two mini chocolates are that bad for you. Often if I have, like, one mini Milky Way piece, it keeps me from indulging in an entire cookie or entire candy bar. I've also kept a bag of chocolate chip morsels (the ones you use for baking) in the freezer and if I am really feeling the sugar craving, I will grab a couple of those, or maybe like a tablespoon's worth.
Maybe you can also designate a single day a week where you do indulge in a slice of cake, or a cookie or two. It's better than binging several times a week.1 -
kaferine69 wrote: »Can you try a couple different flavors of gum? I also struggle with sweets. People tell me I'm crazy when I say I have a sugar addiction, but I really believe it's an addiction just like any drug addiction.
I personally don't think having one or two mini chocolates are that bad for you. Often if I have, like, one mini Milky Way piece, it keeps me from indulging in an entire cookie or entire candy bar. I've also kept a bag of chocolate chip morsels (the ones you use for baking) in the freezer and if I am really feeling the sugar craving, I will grab a couple of those, or maybe like a tablespoon's worth.
Maybe you can also designate a single day a week where you do indulge in a slice of cake, or a cookie or two. It's better than binging several times a week.
LOLOL
As if I could have a bag of mini Milky Way or chocolate chip morsels and NOT eat the whole package before bed.
Your definition of "addiction" and mine are very very different!!
However this:
has been a useful tactic for me. I can't have bags of stuff in my house, but having one single-serve treat per week has been super helpful. I'm not denying myself the cookies, just having a Snack Pack of them. Once. I have to buy the little plastic cups of mini cookies. That's even 700 calories, so, not ideal. Single donuts or cupcakes seem the best for me, calorie-wise. 300-400 calories.Maybe you can also designate a single day a week where you do indulge in a slice of cake, or a cookie or two.
No way I'm able to have sweets in the house and leave them alone.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »kaferine69 wrote: »Can you try a couple different flavors of gum? I also struggle with sweets. People tell me I'm crazy when I say I have a sugar addiction, but I really believe it's an addiction just like any drug addiction.
I personally don't think having one or two mini chocolates are that bad for you. Often if I have, like, one mini Milky Way piece, it keeps me from indulging in an entire cookie or entire candy bar. I've also kept a bag of chocolate chip morsels (the ones you use for baking) in the freezer and if I am really feeling the sugar craving, I will grab a couple of those, or maybe like a tablespoon's worth.
Maybe you can also designate a single day a week where you do indulge in a slice of cake, or a cookie or two. It's better than binging several times a week.
LOLOL
As if I could have a bag of mini Milky Way or chocolate chip morsels and NOT eat the whole package before bed.
Your definition of "addiction" and mine are very very different!!
However this:
has been a useful tactic for me. I can't have bags of stuff in my house, but having one single-serve treat per week has been super helpful. I'm not denying myself the cookies, just having a Snack Pack of them. Once. I have to buy the little plastic cups of mini cookies. That's even 700 calories, so, not ideal. Single donuts or cupcakes seem the best for me, calorie-wise. 300-400 calories.Maybe you can also designate a single day a week where you do indulge in a slice of cake, or a cookie or two.
No way I'm able to have sweets in the house and leave them alone.
No kidding. For me, I don't seem to have a problem consuming berries and blueberries actually didn't effect my insulin at all, never moved off base line and it's the insulin response that triggers those evil thoughts and hormones. I will have some ice cream but only out at a local shop so I'm not tempted with a bucket in the freezer, because it wouldn't last the night. lol.3 -
Put a picture of the thinner you on the door to the pantry and every time you reach for something this is a reminder of not to do it.0
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cmriverside wrote: »
LOLOL
As if I could have a bag of mini Milky Way or chocolate chip morsels and NOT eat the whole package before bed.
Your definition of "addiction" and mine are very very different!!
Oh trust, there are certain "hot button" sweets that I simply cannot be around. Packages of any cookie, really, or donuts of any kind, and I do not have a stop button, even if I feel sick or ill.
But for me, straight chocolate just makes my mouth feel gross when I eat too much of it. So the chocolate morsels trick works for me because if I eat more than a tablespoon or two, I just start feeling blech. Maybe there is a candy or sweet snack that works this way for OP, as well.
Re: single-serve, this works well for me also. When I go to work, I pack ONLY what I will eat that day. I don't keep a drawer of snacks "in case I get hungry". And when I have only brought one single snack pack of whatever with me, well, then that's all I get! Aldi has a couple really yummy 100 calorie snack pack options, actually.3 -
cmriverside wrote: »You're welcome, HappyDonkey.
I am not sure why the go-to response from the above two posters was, "take a medication."
Medications are a tool that some people actually need.
It wasn’t my “go to” response. It was a follow up response that included an observation that OP seems to have tried many things, and has struggled for a long time. And that a frank discussion with their medical team might be helpful.
Yes, medications have side effects.
Not taking medications that are truly necessary also has effects. Many much more severe than the medication.
Most people don’t need medication to lose weight. That is something I agree with. That’s how I’m doing it. But for some it is one tool that - under guidance from a doctor who knows the person well - can be beneficial.
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I’d be leary of taking any advice regarding diet from a GP or for that matter many in the health field as there are just so many opinions. Drugs for sugar cravings would be a last ditch effort as I’m guessing it’s more of a tasty habit than an actual need for sugarMargaretYakoda wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »You're welcome, HappyDonkey.
I am not sure why the go-to response from the above two posters was, "take a medication."
Medications are a tool that some people actually need.
It wasn’t my “go to” response. It was a follow up response that included an observation that OP seems to have tried many things, and has struggled for a long time. And that a frank discussion with their medical team might be helpful.
Yes, medications have side effects.
Not taking medications that are truly necessary also has effects. Many much more severe than the medication.
Most people don’t need medication to lose weight. That is something I agree with. That’s how I’m doing it. But for some it is one tool that - under guidance from a doctor who knows the person well - can be beneficial.
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Re a voracious appetite, there is a complex bio-chemical/hormone system that regulates so much in our bodies, including, for some people, a heightened appetite.
Someone had mentioned checking thyroid.
OP had said that appetite persisted even when doing a keto approach.
So I mentioned checking with doc about medications that might suppress appetite, and left it at that as I have no idea about the health of op and any current meds.
-- but, the part I did not mention is the inferred flip side; some therapeutc meds have a known side effect of weight gain, and one could speculate the med may trigger appetite resulting in weight gain, for ex, steroids used for lung breathing issues.
-- in some cases, there may be alternative meds without a side effect of weight gain
-- seeing a doctor to assess is the appropriate place to seek help.
--- i would never suggest a patient find a doctor to prescribe anything inappropriate, although as I understand history, many drugs are prescribed off label, but beyond my knowledge to suggest anything further to op.1 -
tomcustombuilder wrote: »
I’d be leary of taking any advice regarding diet from a GP or for that matter many in the health field as there are just so many opinions. Drugs for sugar cravings would be a last ditch effort as I’m guessing it’s more of a tasty habit than an actual need for sugarMargaretYakoda wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »You're welcome, HappyDonkey.
I am not sure why the go-to response from the above two posters was, "take a medication."
Medications are a tool that some people actually need.
It wasn’t my “go to” response. It was a follow up response that included an observation that OP seems to have tried many things, and has struggled for a long time. And that a frank discussion with their medical team might be helpful.
Yes, medications have side effects.
Not taking medications that are truly necessary also has effects. Many much more severe than the medication.
Most people don’t need medication to lose weight. That is something I agree with. That’s how I’m doing it. But for some it is one tool that - under guidance from a doctor who knows the person well - can be beneficial.
I should clarify:
Medical advice about diet is best when the person giving it is a certified registered dietitian. Not a GP.
A GP can refer someone to a registered dietitian. You generally need a referral to see one and have your insurance cover it.
I do agree that many MDs aren’t particularly well informed on nutrition.
MDs can advise on other aspects of diet and weight loss. Including also referring someone to a specialist like an endocrinologist or physiotherapist who can provide more detailed and tailored care.
When someone has been struggling for a long time, and is not feeling good about their progress, I think asking for professional help can be a good step.
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Keto doesn't absolve someone's cravings for something sweet. It may lower the urges, but inherently through time, humans actually ate sweet things back in the early ages because it wasn't poisonous.Adventurista wrote: »@HappyDonkey75 - i was surprised to hear you say that you still experience the strong cravings even when sticking to a keto plan.
There does seem to be a bio-chemical response in the body for some people that seems to drive persistent voracious cravings... On the extreme end would be the Prader syndrome, but various classes of drugs have a known side effect that suppresses appetite or compulsions.
Have you ever tried a prescription drug and found relief? Think that might be a discussion to have with a doctor and might be worth asking.
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Keto doesn't absolve someone's cravings for something sweet. It may lower the urges, but inherently through time, humans actually ate sweet things back in the early ages because it wasn't poisonous.
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In my personal experience, reducing overall daily carbs does break/remove the voracious appetite.
For me, it seems to be a lower overall daily/meal limit/threshold than a standard meal plan, but the limits are higher than keto limits. Overall carb <120g+/- per day and about <50g+/- per meal.
If i eat higher amounts over a few days (think a holiday feast and leftovers through a weekend), the insatiable/voracious appetite roars back. It takes about 4 days at the lower limits for the appetite to start to recede, and actually takes a good 3+ weeks for the physical agitation to end.
In the absence of preferred sweets and treats, exceeding the threshold with any carb will trigger the voracious appetite.
I liken the voracious appetite as a physical dependance. Resetting the appetite by eating a lower threshold of carbs and experienced agitation as withdrawals, and it is fully back when i exceed the threshold.
Very similar to withdrawals from cigarettes, except can not stop eating altogether, so I am left with managing overall carb consumption.
I am fortunate to have figured out the impact and threshold for carbs. I hear others say they experience such severe dependence that abstinence is necessary for the present time.
Another observation for me personally is that time does not seem to change the threshold. I have gone several times from 6+ mos to 2 yrs at a time, then indulge during holidays, and appetite roars back within a few days, and it takes just as long to get the appetite to reset and the agitation to recede.
So although the medical cmmunity and public at large hotly debate the existence and nature of food addiction, habit and dependence, the emerging information provides an explanation for my lived experience. Although I tried to explain the experience to various doctors/persons, there was no language or framework for mutual understanding, and invariably the advice has been to just eat less, move more, aka cico, and things would be fine....
although cico is a major overall limit, other things for me were also necessary, specifically a limit on overall carb consumption.
I look forward to a day when there is mutual understanding and consensus... so people can receive help and support, of the nature people with other substance dependence (nicotine, drugs, alcohol) receive help and support.4 -
I'm aware that everyone has a threshold for how their bodies handle carbs. Obviously a person who is athletic and trains hard versus one who does little to no physical activity will utilize carbs differently. And also since everything in our body is a chemical response, how our hormones run and react in the body will give different results as well.Adventurista wrote: »Keto doesn't absolve someone's cravings for something sweet. It may lower the urges, but inherently through time, humans actually ate sweet things back in the early ages because it wasn't poisonous.
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In my personal experience, reducing overall daily carbs does break/remove the voracious appetite.
For me, it seems to be a lower overall daily/meal limit/threshold than a standard meal plan, but the limits are higher than keto limits. Overall carb <120g+/- per day and about <50g+/- per meal.
If i eat higher amounts over a few days (think a holiday feast and leftovers through a weekend), the insatiable/voracious appetite roars back. It takes about 4 days at the lower limits for the appetite to start to recede, and actually takes a good 3+ weeks for the physical agitation to end.
In the absence of preferred sweets and treats, exceeding the threshold with any carb will trigger the voracious appetite.
I liken the voracious appetite as a physical dependance. Resetting the appetite by eating a lower threshold of carbs and experienced agitation as withdrawals, and it is fully back when i exceed the threshold.
Very similar to withdrawals from cigarettes, except can not stop eating altogether, so I am left with managing overall carb consumption.
I am fortunate to have figured out the impact and threshold for carbs. I hear others say they experience such severe dependence that abstinence is necessary for the present time.
Another observation for me personally is that time does not seem to change the threshold. I have gone several times from 6+ mos to 2 yrs at a time, then indulge during holidays, and appetite roars back within a few days, and it takes just as long to get the appetite to reset and the agitation to recede.
So although the medical cmmunity and public at large hotly debate the existence and nature of food addiction, habit and dependence, the emerging information provides an explanation for my lived experience. Although I tried to explain the experience to various doctors/persons, there was no language or framework for mutual understanding, and invariably the advice has been to just eat less, move more, aka cico, and things would be fine....
although cico is a major overall limit, other things for me were also necessary, specifically a limit on overall carb consumption.
I look forward to a day when there is mutual understanding and consensus... so people can receive help and support, of the nature people with other substance dependence (nicotine, drugs, alcohol) receive help and support.
While many ketoers make adamant claims that you don't need carbs to live, it DOES have an effect on your cognivity. I've seen this many times with competitive bodybuilders and fitness competitors when they are in the last stages of their prep and go really low to no carb. Foggy brain, memory and just even some basic conversation are different.
All in all, I tell clients that they can do any diet they want to as long as they don't exceed the calorie intake I may set for them.
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